Soooo...are you saying that Saleh was fired for stuff that he was not responsible for...? That the Ownership dictated some of the most important decisions a team can make and Saleh & Douglas took the fall for those decisions...?
It's a sad, sad day. 2 years ago if you had just gone with a league average qb and continued to build through the draft, the qb position would have taken care of itself. There was so much potential for this team: 3 top 50 picks, the offensive and defensive rookies of the year, plenty of cap room to add a targeted piece or two and some depth. Now we need a full reboot; cut/trade the bloated contracts, eat the dead cap hit this year, trade down in the draft and acquire future picks (preferably next year too). There IS some young and middle aged talent to keep/extend though. Sauce, Q, WMD, Carter 2 (and maybe sherwood?) on D and Garrett, Breece, Braelon, Tippman, Avt and Simpson all looking like very viable pieces. Need the right coach and at least 1 of 2 more drafts to add some more legitimate talent. THEN try to figure out qb
I was saying that endlessly heading into the 2021 draft. They had no talent and a rookie coaching staff. The very obvious decision was to trade the 2nd overall pick, build the team, go QB hunting later. They can still do that now. Find a way to get Vrabel, get a competent QB, and work on getting the team to competent.
@PeterAllen09 ugh, don't even get me started on 2021. I was telling anyone that listens, even if Darnold wasn't the answer then just let him play out his final year. We could have gotten 3 firsts and a third for that 2nd overall pick! In a year where we already had 2 firsts!! That means for 3 years running we'd have 2 first round picks!!! I was saying, just build the team in 21 and if darnold isn't good, worry about qb in either of the next drafts! The jets are committed to doing the stupid thing though. They're so scared on missing out on the next great qb, they take the wrong one and ruin their potential! If we had just built the team first in 21 and then looked to get a qb in the future, any qb would have a much better chance because the team would be so much better. Imagine a world where we weren't stupid, traded down in 21, built the team in 21 and 22 and then traded up for CJ Stroud in 23?? We'd be on our way to competing for a super bowl every year for a decade. It's absurd how stupid this franchise is and the terrible decisions they regularly make. Mind numbing.
@@tominny Oh my god, dude, I had the exact same experience. That was probably the most frustrated I've ever been as a Jets fan, because the choice was so damn obvious: trade the pick, build the team, go QB hunting later! I could barely get any Jets fan to listen. They all responded, "but Darnold sucks." And I'm saying, "sure, but who cares!? Just build the team." Damn, that was an aggravating few months. It utterly killed the rebuild. I agree with everything you said. Man, it's nice to know I'm not insane and at least one other Jets fan thought the same thing, lol.
@@PeterAllen09 amen brother, it's been so frustrating dealing with the idiocy of the fan base. Meanwhile all I've basically been arguing is to be risk-averse. Like just do the smart, meat and potatoes thing that'll slowly build the team and make us good in the long term. But no, the genius fans want to be like Woody and swing for the fences every 2 years on qb. They're too slow to realize when you continually pour massive assets in to the qb position, you are sacrificing building other areas of the team. If every 2 years you are spending 1st/2nd round pick or more on qb, you're going to hollow out the rest of your roster. The reason we have no depth and only a few pieces on each side of the ball is BECAUSE we keep wasting at qb. Just give it a rest for 3-4 years, it's so absurd and obvious, but you get treated like an idiot for saying let's stop being stupid.
I'm not a Joe Douglas apologist, I feel he is more at fault for the state of the roster than Saleh, who was the first to take a fall. But the conversation you mentioned may very well have occurred. We have all had those conversations with supervisors where we respectfully articulated our concerns and were met with the response "I'm not worried" or "we have made the decision." I feel Joe Douglas's biggest failure was that he was a major risk taker who was more concerned about potential upside than downside risks. He banked on the upsides of Becton, Mims, Z. Wilson, Moore, and those upsides never materialized. His upside values did work in the 2022 draft, but the record is incomplete for 2023 & 2024 drafts.
No one worth their salt will take that job. Best advice to Woody... offer full control to the next coach and let him hire the GM. Alternatively, Woody can go through his personal history, find the woman who told him to eff off the loudest and longest (no doubt there are plenty to choose from), and put her in charge. Even if she knows nothing about FB she has the most important credential when it comes to working for Woody.
All you are saying.... Woody Johnson needs to consider selling the team. RE: The initial thought for the succes of a sports franchise comes from ownership. And Woody Johnson has not...does not completely understand the complexity associated with this simple concept.
Woody Johnson reminds me of how James Dolan used to run the Knicks. The Knicks would have a good thing going, make progress only to have the owner blow it up by making a horribly short sighted move. Every move is made for the team to ostensibly win now but the problem is that the team isn't winning now
Buffalo’s GM’s position is not open. Obviously leaving them out on purpose. They’re the team in the division. They’re the team you shouldn’t leave out. They’re the team that’s going to be good for another dozen years at least
I believe JD deserved to be fired, and I do believe that this team won’t win under Woody Johnson, but is there proof that JD wasn’t just as interested as Woody to get Aaron Rodgers and his guys? Tbh, I feel like Woody Johnson actually let JD manage the team for a long time without intervention (he got his coach, he got his QB, he got his drafts)…it just didn’t pan out so he felt like he had to jump back in the last few years. In a way, I feel like JD screwed the jets fan base by being so inefficient with a loose leash. Now, Woody is going to feel like he has to be more involved…which is never good
Bart Scott was right. Name one move you would've made differently than JD. The guy in Philadelphia has made bigger mistakes, but also shrewder movers at important times. What you miss is the important contribution of the coach. A GM is not necessarily his record, like a coach or a quarterback is. That is, if he's allowed to fire his first coach. Obviously, coach and GM here were not on the same page. Plus, Saleh was a dull football mind. If JD had Todd Munken or the Detroit OC, I believe they would've created the structure of winning. Thanks to Douglass, the nucleus is there.
@PeterAllen09 Alright, you disagree. But review Howie Roseman's Carson Wentz disaster, the epic collapse last year, his signing of Huff. I can go on. It's the coach's job to create the product on field, and many of the critics of JD confuse GM duties with coaching duties. A sit-down with JD to select a smarter coach and disciplinarian would've been enough.
@@michaellipscomb6652 He has the second worst win % in the history of the NFL for GMs with as long a tenure (only Matt Millen of the lions was worse), zero winning seasons, has picked up maybe 3-4 plus starters after round 1 in 5 combined drafts, his FA signings have been atrocious, his HC was a flop, he picked the worst NFL draft bust in over a decade (ZW), and made the worst QB trade in over a decade (AR). As a result, we are now in the worst position of any team in the NFL, and if he were forced to stick around for the next rebuild he set us up for his record would be even worse. Does that clarify it for you?
would submit that certain entities have a public function that transcend normal ownership perogatives. Professional sports teams in the USA, particularly football and baseball, but also hockey and basketball, unite fans regionally in the support of their teams. There is an inherent public trust aspect to this. There needs to be a statue of limitations on perpetual ownershiip ineptitude. I think Woody's 25 years of failure have stretched that beyond the pale. James Dolan and the Knicks were on that same path until he FINALLY got a competent leader. I think it is time to introduce a "Must Sell" rule if a team is continually awful. It is just not fair to the fans to be held hostage to the lameness of some dumb billionaire. A structure for fan investment and purchase, ala Green Bay Packers, or a traditional single or consortium group purchase, after 20 years of lousy ownership. I would favor Federal Legislation to that effect.
Soooo...are you saying that Saleh was fired for stuff that he was not responsible for...? That the Ownership dictated some of the most important decisions a team can make and Saleh & Douglas took the fall for those decisions...?
It's a sad, sad day. 2 years ago if you had just gone with a league average qb and continued to build through the draft, the qb position would have taken care of itself.
There was so much potential for this team: 3 top 50 picks, the offensive and defensive rookies of the year, plenty of cap room to add a targeted piece or two and some depth.
Now we need a full reboot; cut/trade the bloated contracts, eat the dead cap hit this year, trade down in the draft and acquire future picks (preferably next year too).
There IS some young and middle aged talent to keep/extend though. Sauce, Q, WMD, Carter 2 (and maybe sherwood?) on D and Garrett, Breece, Braelon, Tippman, Avt and Simpson all looking like very viable pieces. Need the right coach and at least 1 of 2 more drafts to add some more legitimate talent.
THEN try to figure out qb
I was saying that endlessly heading into the 2021 draft. They had no talent and a rookie coaching staff. The very obvious decision was to trade the 2nd overall pick, build the team, go QB hunting later. They can still do that now. Find a way to get Vrabel, get a competent QB, and work on getting the team to competent.
@PeterAllen09 ugh, don't even get me started on 2021. I was telling anyone that listens, even if Darnold wasn't the answer then just let him play out his final year. We could have gotten 3 firsts and a third for that 2nd overall pick! In a year where we already had 2 firsts!! That means for 3 years running we'd have 2 first round picks!!! I was saying, just build the team in 21 and if darnold isn't good, worry about qb in either of the next drafts!
The jets are committed to doing the stupid thing though. They're so scared on missing out on the next great qb, they take the wrong one and ruin their potential! If we had just built the team first in 21 and then looked to get a qb in the future, any qb would have a much better chance because the team would be so much better. Imagine a world where we weren't stupid, traded down in 21, built the team in 21 and 22 and then traded up for CJ Stroud in 23?? We'd be on our way to competing for a super bowl every year for a decade. It's absurd how stupid this franchise is and the terrible decisions they regularly make. Mind numbing.
@@tominny Oh my god, dude, I had the exact same experience. That was probably the most frustrated I've ever been as a Jets fan, because the choice was so damn obvious: trade the pick, build the team, go QB hunting later!
I could barely get any Jets fan to listen. They all responded, "but Darnold sucks." And I'm saying, "sure, but who cares!? Just build the team." Damn, that was an aggravating few months. It utterly killed the rebuild.
I agree with everything you said. Man, it's nice to know I'm not insane and at least one other Jets fan thought the same thing, lol.
@@PeterAllen09 amen brother, it's been so frustrating dealing with the idiocy of the fan base. Meanwhile all I've basically been arguing is to be risk-averse. Like just do the smart, meat and potatoes thing that'll slowly build the team and make us good in the long term.
But no, the genius fans want to be like Woody and swing for the fences every 2 years on qb. They're too slow to realize when you continually pour massive assets in to the qb position, you are sacrificing building other areas of the team.
If every 2 years you are spending 1st/2nd round pick or more on qb, you're going to hollow out the rest of your roster. The reason we have no depth and only a few pieces on each side of the ball is BECAUSE we keep wasting at qb. Just give it a rest for 3-4 years, it's so absurd and obvious, but you get treated like an idiot for saying let's stop being stupid.
@@PeterAllen09 vrabel was fired for failing - what makes you think he will not fail with the jets
I'm not a Joe Douglas apologist, I feel he is more at fault for the state of the roster than Saleh, who was the first to take a fall. But the conversation you mentioned may very well have occurred. We have all had those conversations with supervisors where we respectfully articulated our concerns and were met with the response "I'm not worried" or "we have made the decision."
I feel Joe Douglas's biggest failure was that he was a major risk taker who was more concerned about potential upside than downside risks. He banked on the upsides of Becton, Mims, Z. Wilson, Moore, and those upsides never materialized. His upside values did work in the 2022 draft, but the record is incomplete for 2023 & 2024 drafts.
Too bad Woody won’t fire himself
Douglas had no choice but to go along for the ride, plus he did everything Roger's wanted
No one worth their salt will take that job. Best advice to Woody... offer full control to the next coach and let him hire the GM. Alternatively, Woody can go through his personal history, find the woman who told him to eff off the loudest and longest (no doubt there are plenty to choose from), and put her in charge. Even if she knows nothing about FB she has the most important credential when it comes to working for Woody.
Hire John Lynch as President of Football Operations
Bring in coach Prime
30-64 case closed
All you are saying....
Woody Johnson needs to consider selling the team.
RE:
The initial thought for the succes of a sports franchise comes from ownership.
And Woody Johnson has not...does not completely understand the complexity associated with this simple concept.
Woody Johnson reminds me of how James Dolan used to run the Knicks. The Knicks would have a good thing going, make progress only to have the owner blow it up by making a horribly short sighted move. Every move is made for the team to ostensibly win now but the problem is that the team isn't winning now
Woody is behaving like a spoiled rich kid that got handed a franchise to use as a play thing. Oh wait…
The Jets should hire one of these Jets podcasters as GM. See how it goes.
😂😂😂
Can't do any worse than what they've had thus far.
Buffalo’s GM’s position is not open. Obviously leaving them out on purpose. They’re the team in the division. They’re the team you shouldn’t leave out. They’re the team that’s going to be good for another dozen years at least
I believe JD deserved to be fired, and I do believe that this team won’t win under Woody Johnson, but is there proof that JD wasn’t just as interested as Woody to get Aaron Rodgers and his guys? Tbh, I feel like Woody Johnson actually let JD manage the team for a long time without intervention (he got his coach, he got his QB, he got his drafts)…it just didn’t pan out so he felt like he had to jump back in the last few years. In a way, I feel like JD screwed the jets fan base by being so inefficient with a loose leash. Now, Woody is going to feel like he has to be more involved…which is never good
Bart Scott was right. Name one move you would've made differently than JD. The guy in Philadelphia has made bigger mistakes, but also shrewder movers at important times. What you miss is the important contribution of the coach. A GM is not necessarily his record, like a coach or a quarterback is. That is, if he's allowed to fire his first coach. Obviously, coach and GM here were not on the same page. Plus, Saleh was a dull football mind. If JD had Todd Munken or the Detroit OC, I believe they would've created the structure of winning. Thanks to Douglass, the nucleus is there.
He's in consideration to be one of the worst gms in all NFL history. Mind boggling to defend him at this point.
I disagree with every part of this. Literally every point.
@PeterAllen09 Alright, you disagree. But review Howie Roseman's Carson Wentz disaster, the epic collapse last year, his signing of Huff. I can go on. It's the coach's job to create the product on field, and many of the critics of JD confuse GM duties with coaching duties. A sit-down with JD to select a smarter coach and disciplinarian would've been enough.
@Edward19892 That makes no sense. Exaggerating doesn't clarify.
@@michaellipscomb6652 He has the second worst win % in the history of the NFL for GMs with as long a tenure (only Matt Millen of the lions was worse), zero winning seasons, has picked up maybe 3-4 plus starters after round 1 in 5 combined drafts, his FA signings have been atrocious, his HC was a flop, he picked the worst NFL draft bust in over a decade (ZW), and made the worst QB trade in over a decade (AR). As a result, we are now in the worst position of any team in the NFL, and if he were forced to stick around for the next rebuild he set us up for his record would be even worse. Does that clarify it for you?
Why do no one wanted to play there , sauce decline and they couldn’t run the ball
You are jumping to conclusions with Woody demanded the Rodgers trade.
Will Woody make himself the GM?
Douglas was there for 5 1/2 years and never won
a clown owner who will never attract top tier talent.
would submit that certain entities have a public function that transcend normal ownership perogatives. Professional sports teams in the USA, particularly football and baseball, but also hockey and basketball, unite fans regionally in the support of their teams. There is an inherent public trust aspect to this. There needs to be a statue of limitations on perpetual ownershiip ineptitude. I think Woody's 25 years of failure have stretched that beyond the pale. James Dolan and the Knicks were on that same path until he FINALLY got a competent leader.
I think it is time to introduce a "Must Sell" rule if a team is continually awful. It is just not fair to the fans to be held hostage to the lameness of some dumb billionaire. A structure for fan investment and purchase, ala Green Bay Packers, or a traditional single or consortium group purchase, after 20 years of lousy ownership. I would favor Federal Legislation to that effect.