Jim Ross shoots on why Jim Cornette criticizes AEW
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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cornette actually respects jim Ross like he respects Lawler, Flair, etc
Well Lawler and flair deserve no respect
@Some Guy flair...agree...
I been listening to Cornette for yrs and haven't heard him talk bad bout JR so I'd say they're friends
Cornett has a lot of respect for JR but he doesn’t understand why JR would work for a company like AEW because to him “it puts a stain on the business”.
Cuz AEW pays Jim loads of money to sit on a comfy chair and Commentate
Even when his co host tries to talk bad about JR he always defends him
He has been making fun of some of the stuff he says on the air lately on his podcast tho
Jim slapped the guy who mocked JR's condition
I think inviting Corny on the show and just addressing everything will not only make for a great show, but some understanding of each other's side. They've always seemed to mutually respect each other so I highly doubt it would get messy.
Hope it happens.
No need. Jim is just another big mouth has been podcaster now. Jim Ross gains nothing from it other than please the fat nerds who drool over every word Jim says
"In the dungeon alone with Stu Hart". LMAO hysterical
AWESOME STORY LoL 😂😂😂
Lol he stretched good ol JR
That's exactly Stu Hart. Spot on impression.
I laughed so hard at that story omfg
Sitting at home, not employed by any major company, with only a podcast and a Twitter account, and Cornette is the hottest heel in the business and made himself a part of the conversation. That is the genius of Jim Cornette.
JasonThe13th- He also has built a net worth of *$5 Million.* With his podcast sponsors & 🌽's Collectables it'll probably be 3 times bigger by the time he *puts-down his tennis racket for good.*
I disagree. Cornette has not been unemployed, he’s self employed. And given that he is earning $350,000+ per year doing Podcasting and Cornette’s Collectibles, I’d say, like yourself that he’s doing just fine.
@@One.Zero.One101 And yet here you are talking about him. I'm sure Jim thanks you that.
I love jim best in the business
@@DBonaldi dude didn't say he was unemployed he said not employed by any of the major companies. Which is true. He's not working for a promotion. And he was complimenting him
I'm just glad we have these two Jims in the wrestling world. Both love wrestling and both have a great mind and respect for the business
Co signed
That was classy of Conrad to plug Cornette’s podcasts and website.
I thought the same. Nice to see.
Conrad always seems to be classy and professional.
@@DaNIGHTz makes me inclined to subscribe. Theres so much negativity and pettiness around, I'd like to listen to and support someone who just behaves like a decent person.
Conrad and Corny are friends
Conrad's plugs the podcasts all the time. Hes a fan.
JR's impression of Stu Hart had me on the floor. Loved it!
At this point I would rather listen to Cornette talk about how bad wrestling is rather than witness it.
I feel exactly the way... pro wrestling is so lame and dull nowadays but the podcasts , particularly Cornette’s, are pretty entertaining
We are the 90s gen!!? I only listen to cornettes podcast osw review and wrestling bios. Can't actually watch modern wrestling bar finn balor. And that's getting hard now..
Yeah listening to cornette review aew gets me through the work day, after work I try and watch aew and it’s like these 8 man tags with people hesitating to punch or whatever because they can’t remember who’s turn it is and I just shut it off
I literally only watch wrestling after Cornette reviews a particularly bad show. I'm watching just to laugh at it now.
@@aidanduffy3407 so you want to watch the old Wrestling with the arm lock big guys like Vince McMahon?
Jim Ross and Jim Cornette are the definition of passion for the business, in two different ways of showing it.
the Stu Hart impression is hilarious
Even jr has stopped taking aew seriously and often shits on it during commetary
@@michaelmc648 big time He's there for a paycheck
@@michaelmc648 You WWE fan boys are so funny. I haven't once heard him criticise AEW on commentary. You're all just jealous that he's on AEW tv and not your shitty sports entertainment.
@@martinputt6421 jim ross did his time he was in wwe for over 2 decades. he was good with jerry lawler when wwe was tv14 in attitude era also ruthless agression era in 1997-2007. aew is enjoy jim ross and tony shavoine on commentary. happy tony jim ross can still find work in 2020.
@kobymusic 108, That was how Stu actually sounded when he was alive, he was a badass when he worked & as a trainer, but he was also a real nice guy.
"I'm in the dungeon alone with Stu." "Not good." "No."
Cornette's criticisms aren't for no reason. They're actually constructive but Jim Ross has good points too.
From his perspective. He doesnt follow it close, so he judges off the matchs. He doesnt even watch dark. Its like watching a football game of a team you dont care about. Your not really invested. But JC does make a lot of valid points. I get he wants to stay in the news and media. If he can get a beef going from his couch at home. Its great for him. But he shouldn't just trash with no explanation or hate just to hate. I think we all know what we get when we say Jim Cornette.
@@DaNIGHTz OK buddy
Yeah, wish Jim would be able to sort his issues with the younger talent so that he could help them.
@@DaNIGHTz Cornette is a wealth of wrestling knowledge, and alot of respect for him and his knowledge is deserved. But he is super biased (same as Meltzer) I've watched both of them criticize matches that are literally exactly what they've been begging for in terms of matches just because they're not fans of the talent in the ring.
Nah, whenever someone starts adopting Corn's principles, he still chews the shit out of them.
JR's commentary isn't exactly endorsing the AEW product either.
Which proves Jim's point.
not true if he didn't like it he wouldn't work there
@@Avamarie38 He is making a hell of a payday, sure he would. Money will help make a bad situation better.
JR criticizes AEW fairly Jim just shits on literally everything g
Exactly, I mean he esentially says that he doesn't really like the wrestlers and action there all that much but that doesn't matter because this is his job. That makes sense to me though, he is very inspired on commentary
Haha JR mocks AEW every week himself on live television.
Maybe JR has that mindset like I can pick on my brother cause he is my brother but I'm not going to let anybody else pick on him.
@@GreyLeo Lame mentality
I had wishful thinking on some wardrobe malunctions too... Especially ODB in her younger days. BAMM!
@@sabreeemneely someone's the younger sibling lol.
@@davem4250 IKR ODB was crazy back then and I was like 12-13 would just wait and be like this is the week. 😂
"My call is to show up, do my job & do the best I can to get talent over--it's as simple as that & whether I believe, or, not that they deserve, or, they ever will get over is irrelevant.".
--Jim Ross.
So jr basically admiring he thinks a lot of the guys don’t deserve a spot or will get over but he’s doing it anyway??
Must be why he sounds like he shits ok AEW half the time
I respect JR and his position. It makes sense. But telling the audience its a different time and it should respect how things are now - when clearly the larger wrestling audience is rejecting it - is a little cognitive dissonance
It's strange on the issue of wrestling cornette is a conservative and on the basis of politics he is a liberal.
Edit: WTF I think I started some kind of political war guys chillax I just commented an observation IAM not saying Jim views are wrong or right everyone is free to have his/her/zem opinions.
I listen to corny and it's perplexing how that dynamic is. But i feel alot of his "issues" are inconsistent booking, flat characters and lack of basic skills in the ring for some talent
He's just brainwashed when it comes to politics, just CNN talking points
@@TheMasterpiecePD
Trump nicknames - witty and memorable cos apt.
Cornette nicknames - witty and memorable cos apt.
Trump's a bigot... but Cornette disliking women's wrestling/Sonny Kiss isn't sexism/transphobic because those complaining are just pathetic whiners.
@Ray Robinson
Yeah, he's well jealous of being unable to call Marco Stunt matches or manage Sonny Kiss; heartbroken he is...
WTF did you just say?
4:26 If you wanna hear Jim Ross do the funniest Stu Hart impersonation. LOL
He criticises WWE and any other promotion just as much. AEW is just the polar opposite of what he likes: believable attempts at wrestling rather than sloppy, indie quality product on a mainstream show
I wouldn't say that AEW is sloppy. Their performers have a faster and more risk-based style, and which that tends to result in more botches than the competition, especially from the younger guys, but they have still put on some amazing matches.
Omega and Moxley could have a completely botch-free match, and Cornette still wouldn't like it. He simply prefers the more old fashioned style, but that doesn't mean it is better or worse,it's just personal preference.
Indie style isn't sloppy.. Wtf are u talking about
Twinkle toes McFinger-Bang
Pedophiles and pussyfart liberals like WWE is why he likes it so much
A lot of wrestlers on the AEW roster, especially the women, are greener than Shotzi Blackheart's hair, have lousy fundamentals and keep dropping each other on their heads, it's a miracle that nobody has broken his neck in those matches
The fact that Jim Ross said, He himself doesn't have to like it. Litterally proves Jim Cornettes point. And that means JR agrees with him but he just doesn't say it
I know, lol. He criticises Jim for being vocal about not liking it, then goes and says he's not a fan himself, lol.
And JR is ruining his legacy and credibility for being a part of it..
He said the world is changing and does not have to like it. Not talking about wrestling completely
Not really. He didn’t say whether he liked it or not. He is simply saying he is there to do his part.
JR has been vocal about the things he does and doesn’t like.
Cornette shits on EVERYTHING.
@@TheJosephPrice Main difference with JR is that he doesn't devolve into shitty insults. Cornette doesn't shit on everything, but he's pretty hypocritical with what he supports(aka how the fuck he gonna support MJF, but bash Miz). You just don't get blackballed from every promotion he worked at for no reason. Corny has no filter and that is why he sticks to his podcast. Even Brian Last tries to evade, deflect, or even do damage control by being the reasonable one whenever Cornette is being a dick(Aka the stalker situation or Rollins/Becky's new child).
He (cornette) rips WWE apart all the time.
I think that’s the point. What does Cornett see as good if he rips everything? Wrestling would literally have to go back to the 80s to make him happy.
@@linxstorm Traditional wrestling and good booking
Cornette likes people like Damian Priest on NXT and also likes some of the UK division talent like Bate, Dunne, and WALTER. For the main roster he likes Mcintyre, Orton, Lee, etc. So there are people he likes in WWE, he just doesn't stand for goofiness and flips in any company because that's not what "wrestling" is supposed to be.
@chrharmar He calls out both the bad and the good on both sides. He can be a little biased towards the male competitors, but he just watched Rhea Ripley vs. Mercedes Martinez and said it restored his faith in modern wrestling. So in many ways Cornette is not at all stuck in the 80's, he likes quality wrestling.
@chrharmar "the times" today are trash and the reason why wrestling as a whole isn't as popular as it used to be.
The irony of all ironies is the Cornie’s character is now a cross between Dave Meltzer and Phil Mushnik... I love that no matter how much the times have changed, he’s still relevant, because at his core he’s a fucking archive of wrestling history.
mrtrin Facts.... Corny is funny to me and he preaches a lot truth on his podcast
Christopher Parker yeah. He’s funny at times, and he speaks a lot of truth, but it’s hard to get a read on if it’s filtered in truth or the gimmick.
That’s why I prefer historian Cornette; he’s always shooting straight on the history and historical context of wrestling.
@@mrtrin Historian Cornette is great! It's why I prefer him on Dark Side because at least he'll provide some good context and perspective. But outside of that, he's a fucking old gatekeeper.
@@Maveric there are tens of millions of former wrestling fans from 15 years ago on the other side of the "gate" that don't care about the product today, so he must be doing something right
@@KokoTheGorilla69 Tens of millions maybe, but there are also hundreds of millions of Dragonball fans that grew out of watching Dragonball. Wrestling was targeted towards kids (aka "the whole family") for a really long time until they got some "edge" during monday night wars and finally the new kids got smarted up thanks to their "smart"phones and access to information.
Corny is right about a lot of stuff and I think that wrestling would improve if they wouldn't let their wrestlers wrestle every match like it's the Wrestlemania Main Event. Him constantly trashing wrestlers that are not "his style", though? Just listen to him talking about lucha or japanese wrestling. Cornette has a really narrow mind and - in the end - hurts the business with his trashtalking about current talents.
The internet has basically birthed a new territory system. Smaller wrestling companies with different styles can coexist and even share fanbases. The whole debate about what wrestling should be seems moot now.
The bending of principles leads to the decline of principles. Don't blame Jim for planting his feet beside the river of truth.
What's the river of truth of wrestling?
More like the river of his opinion.
@@SerpentVX No, the truth.
Catering to too many people, or catering to the wrong people inevitably leads to the death of that medium.
Gatekeeping is eventually a necessity.
Jim plants his feet by the end of the bed while some other dude rails his wife. So, as far as credibility goes, he ain't got none.
That is all subjective.
I get we're j.r is coming from in terms criticism of a.e.w be hard not to take personal but I'm subscribed to cornette & he says on a regular basis j.r is still the best in the business & the best there's ever been.
Also the thing is, Corny just comes off too rude, vulgar, disrespectful, and personal. He goes beyond criticism toward the product. He does have good points, but they kind of get buried under the nonsense.
@@RFNY315 I've learned to just get the message & not worry about how it's sent. Everybody thinks he hates it because of the people in a.e.w & not the product but it is the product if someone is good he'll say they're good hhh & michaels are prime examples of that hates them because of curtain call but admits he can't fault their work & are good performers.
anthony kennedy yeah he does still give credit where it’s due. Except to Russo lol. But he just comes off too hateful at times. I’m still a fan though. I’m a fan of his stuff, Russo’s stuff, Hannibal, and a few others. More so than the actual current product. Lol.
@@RFNY315 same i don't watch at all really usually just rumbble & mania,listen to the podcast to keep me up to date on current stuff. Got the network so if I hear about a good fight I'll watch it so be checking out balor vs Cole. Yeah i listen to hanibal & j.r but I'm not a Russo fan & it's down to cornette really as he might be malicious in the words he uses but it's true other than having wwe money behind him & having austin & the rock he's had no success & it got so bad at t.n.a they had to lie about him being employed.
anthony kennedy well if you dig a little deeper with Russo, he was doing creative when tna has their highest ratings, and was getting wcw ratings higher and back on track (but by then there wasn’t much hope)
His wcw stuff if you go back and watch, was way more entertaining than the current wwe. But yeah I get it, his material was pretty divisive with the fan base.
And I did have the network but ended up cancelling a few months ago lol.
One thing I've noticed about darn near every wrestler and manager. They ALL remember every fricking thing they've ever done. It's impeccable! Dates,Places,venues,arguments,ribs.....I would kill to have the kind of memory these guys possess.
I feel like Jim's hatred of AEW is like 80% absolutely spot on. Meaningless spotfests, guys waiting to catch opponents on the outside, feuds w/ almost no build, poor booking, and the list goes on. The other 20% is just Jim being a heel & getting some heat.
Don't forget 90% of the roster members are in factions 😂
I love me some AEW but JC is usually damn right
@@lilachie 95% it is
And the young bucks suck ass
Ask yourself when the last time you heard people confused about who might win in a match because of their wrestling ability. It was back before Vince said this is all rigged. Instead now when someone wins its about whether they should have won or not. Fiend is buried because Vince made him lose, not because Rollins defeated him. Of course its spot fests just like movie fights are silly now. We have seen the old match style for so many years it had to evolve into a spectacle to bring in enough viewers to be viable. If Cornette ran a show today it would fail financially because we already saw it years ago when we thought it was real but now everyone is in on it. Ring psychology isn't enough to hold modern viewers. Hard for anyone to get heat cause we know its an act. People tried to kill Arn for breaking Dusty's leg, you will never have that again.
I'm still a Jim Cornette guy
JR just red pilled his entire audience on Covid.
Also, gotta respect Conrad for plugging Corny's businesses.
Jr isn’t wrong on the covid shit but cornette is right. You gotta understand, wrestling has to make sense and if it doesn’t then why watch it? Why get invested? That’s one of cornette’s main arguments. He’s tough on aew because he wants them to change for the better. You can’t get better if everyone is saying your product is good, especially when the product itself is lackluster and struggles to hold a consistent audience.
TNT asked for 400k viewers and is getting much more. I agree with criticism because you need to try to be better all the time but he is not really doing that. I listen to his stuff cause I get a chuckle, but his hatred for Kenny will never let him see how good Omega can be since he wrestled a school girl early on for a payday. Does Corny really believe that Omega booked that match? He knows better but is old school upset Kenny did not protect kayfabe that Vince killed already. Gold dust wrestled in a diaper acting like a baby, he was under contract. That is how it works. That is also why spot fests are now a thing because we are all in on it these days and there is no ring psychology that will convince you its real. Jericho the biggest 'heel' gets the biggest pop. Hard to hate someone when you know its an act. Heels vs Babyfaces not really needed cause ... we are already in on it. Those days he yearns for ended when Vince came out and said it was fixed to save a dime. It died slow, but it died.
@Zach S. No. At the time of the recording, they were saying by election. He pointed out how convenient that is.
@ the CDC did state one would be available 2 days before the election. www.businessinsider.com/cdc-tells-states-ready-for-vaccine-two-days-before-election-2020-9. So, I think JR was very much justified in his statement. He did, infact, red pill the audience with the political nature of this pandemic.
@Zach S. your info is WRONG
In fairness any praise he has for aew tends to be jim ross doing his best to save the show
Lol! Exactly he just recently defended the Ana thing everyone was up in arms about, but I guess that makes sense because they are both sexist and racist assholes?
Exactly!
@@sabreeemneely how is JR racist or sexist?
Cornette loves FTR and MJF and regularly praises them
Cornette praises Moxley's promos each and every time
Same goes to Ricky Starks as well
Jim Cornette was my favorite as a kid can’t believe he has a podcast now it’s funny as hell
Here's what Ross ISN'T saying ... Yes, he knows as much as Cornette about pro wrestling. But Ross never had to teach anyone about wrestling; Corny has. What Ross also fails to mention is that he's cashing those AEW checks, so his opinion of the AEW product is bought. Corny does the reviews his audience wants. And Ross is also incorrect that Corny just picks on AEW. Corny blisters WWE and NXT just as much as AEW when they do "Stoopid" stuff too.
Yes, the business always has to evolve and change with the times, doesn't mean it has to be treated like a joke by the people doing it. Anyone who listens to Corny knows he was rooting for AEW at the beginning, that despite TK hiring Twinkle Toes McFingerbang and the Young F***s Corny wanted AEW to do well. I think that's why he so hard on them is because he wants there to be a better alternative to WWE.
Yes, he wants AEW to survive as much as their most devoted fans
Spot on
I watch AEW just so I can hear Jim's take. He's right about the Bucks and Omega tho.
So you watch a show just to hear someone else's opinion? That does not make any sense to me at all. It is possible to watch something and then form your own opinion, rather than going online to hear someone else's opinion who clearly has an agenda against them. Personally, the way he keeps talking about Omega's every move and everything he does, Cornette sounds like he might have a crush on him. That's just me though.
@@geraldandrews3934 if someone has an interesting opinion and expresses it in an entertaining way then being knowledgable on what they're talking about makes listing to that opinion all the more enjoyable.
nah jim is old he likes the old ways but they're gone he's irrelevant a fossil there's a reason he's not booking anything or anyone
@@Avamarie38 gotta introduce the old NWA coming out of a box. that'll definitely get over
@@Avamarie38 Jim likes wrestling that would fail today
JR isn't blind. However he loves wrestling, and goes the extra mile to put over guys like Jungle Boy, Will Hobbs, FTR, and established faves like Cody, but definitely kinda gets a little silly when Orange, Kenny, or Janella and Sonny are there.
Cornette is upset anytime that a match isn't booked like an early 80's Midnight Express match.
He's upset any time a match is booked like shit and looks like shit.
Mad Hatter Wouldn’t that makes sense though? Who wants a shitty match? 🤷♂️
@@thaBootyologist Hipsters who like to watch bad TV ironically, and young coomers whose brains have been broken by buggy, jerky, unrealistic video game wrestling.
He liked all the matches on NXT Super Tuesday 2.
cant blame him lol
In the past people complained about the lack of legitimate mat wrestling. Pro wrestling went from Bruno to Hogan because times change. Everyone has their own preferences for what’s entertaining.
I seriously thought it was Stu Hart talking....chills
Even in a one off, I’d love to see 🌽 in AEW.
He would be the best heel commentator
Doubt we will ever see it considering he hates Orange Cassidy, Marko Stunt, Young Bucks, Sonny Kiss, and especially Kenny Omega.
Twinkle toes will be over as hell...
Twinkle Toes vs Corny???
@Arthur Morgan yeah but Cornette would never work with The Young Bucks or Kenny Omega or any other talent in AEW.
Yes Jim is unwilling to bend BUT that's his choice nobody at all should be scorned/vilified for the simple dignity of choice.
Unless you actually enjoy AEW, then fuck you how dare you. At least, that's what I'm getting from this comment section.
Jaime if u don’t like Cornette’s shows I can’t do business with you, it’s as simple as that
Yah I would agree but the why is he calling sonny kiss a fucking f^& and then marko stunt a midget who shouldn’t be anywhere near wrestling
Never recalled hearing him call sonny a faggot. And from what I've seen of Marko I'm not sold
Why should Jim bend what he likes or dislikes, and his opinions to match others?
What’s weird is if you listen to Cornette he has lots of ideas, especially when it comes to Production, he actually is positive for a lot of stuff in AEW it’s just the garbage far out weighs it. He talks shit on WWE a lot also, it’s as if people only wanna hear what they wanna hear.
Also Jim always sticks up for JR when reviewing the shows even when JR sounds like he’s checked out
that whole "oh he's just doing it for entertainment" argument is weak and dismissive and very inaccurate... jim really is like that in real life and those are his real beliefs, he's not going out of his way to bash aew, it's presented to him by his host and he reacts accordingly, now of course he's taken that and ran with it because it is lucrative, and nobody could blame him for that, but his host and his fans keep insisting that he watches and get angry and make fun on the product, that I don't a hundred percent agree with cuz if u don't like something why bother? so he's basically a puppet for his fans at this point, which sucks, but if it was up to him (and it actually is) he wouldn't watch any new wrestling and keep it that way
Thoughtful assessment, kudos!
so your stance is: "JR, who has known Cornette personally and professionally for many years, doesn't understand Corny in real life as well as me, a schmo on youtube with a shoe as my profile picture who stans his podcasts"
that about right, chief?
"If it was up to him (and it actually is) he wouldn't watch any new wrestling"
Yet he does. How strange. It's almost like the argument you're making - it's lucrative and fans like it, so he does it - is extremely similar to the argument you think you're countering - it's entertainment for a fanbase that demand it
Err no , i genuinely believe if much of the product was FTR or MJF he would watch and damnwell enjoy it , as those 2 have credibility in the ring, unlike 45% of aew wrestlers.
@@user-li3fr8jl3b who and what is this in reply to?
@@Bboyoriginalsin pretty much so, the message contradicts itself quite a few times, "No cornette doesn't do it for entertainment, he does it because his fans want him to"
I lost it at JR's Stu impression. Wasn't ready for it. I had to stop and type this, cause it was so good.
Cornette is an old school type of guy, he deeply loves his style of wrestling and the wrestling business. And why i don't agree with everything he says he makes some good points on the faults of AEW, the sheer amount of dives and high risk spots, it taking ages to do a dive, no clear heels or faces making it hard to understand whats going, sloppy build up to story lines, the promos being off by some, not selling after a high impact move, cold tags, an endless amount of near falls. AEW comes across as kids play wrestling because they remember these effective spots from when they watched it but they don't have the knowledge and patience to get the build up correct so it tends to fall flat.
Sadly... this is spot on!
@Domo Jones I think what they are missing is the old saying. That sometimes less is more. I've tried getting back into wrestling. I gave up on wwe just not my thing. I've tried sitting down and watching aew probably 4 or 5 times. Each time the only way I could describe it. Would be a traveling circus that all of the sudden crashes going down the interstate. There's a whole lot of everything, but not much of anything of substance going on.
This right here. I always say that AEW has all of the tools to be great, but their problem is that the people who are running it have no idea what the fuck they're doing. Tony Khan has never booked anything, but now he's booking, why? The Bucks, Cody, and Omega, are all doing their own creative thing why? Why is Brandi Rhodes on my TV at all? She's a beautiful woman no doubt, but can't talk, wrestle, or act. It all just comes across as a vanity project.
Now, backstage they've got Dean Malenko, Jim Ross, Arn Anderson, Medusa, Taz, and a bunch of people who know what the hell they're doing, but are basically either just onscreen characters or are just doing what?
If they let some of the experienced people book it and teach these kids how to sell, sell a feud, build a match, and handle a stick, they'd be great.
Lol Corny also showed up in TNA and Roh for years they were trampoline fest as well didn't stop him he asked to be apart of Aew they said No he went to NWA and been salty every sense
@@xxxmetalslugga5349 He's criticized TNA & ROH & WWE. He readily admits that companies he's worked for do things that he didn't like and everyone, including JIm Ross say that Corny never wavers in what he thinks real wrestling ought to be and fights with everyone who he disagrees with including Vince Russo, Ed Ferrara, Jim Herd, and everyone else .
He admits he talked to Tony Khan, but once he told him he was working with Omega & The Bucks, he was no longer interested.
Jim Cornette respects JR and he's said it multiple times and defended it. What he hates is what professional wrestling has turned into with the like of omega and the bucks. It's not just AEW, he even criticizes NXT and WWE. He's even and fair. He also praises AEW talent like Cody, and MJF and FTR. He still respects Chris Jericho even after all the BS Chris said about him. He praises what he likes and what basically every professional wrestling fan likes, who have seen this sport for quite some time. He criticizes AEW because most of the stuff they do is laughable and stupid
aew sucks they suck storylines this aint no video game whats worse is trying to put over marko stunt, allen and cassidy they are ruining jungle boy , page brody lee sucks j
r needs to retire
@@donniemorton162 yes, exactly agreed every word you said. But I honestly think JR's job is to call what he's seeing in the ring. And most of the time he's seeing garbage bullshitery that would've never been done nor should be done on a mainstream wrestling promotion on live TV. You can hear him being literally tired and just switched off after seeing all of this. I think he should be in NXT, and calling matches like Finn Balor vs Adam Cole this week, but that depends on his decisions and relations with WWE
@@donniemorton162
You sound like every typical RUclips commenting Troll that can't seem adapt
Go back to WWE you Vinnie Mac Ass kisser
@@TOXTHEWOLVERINE and your an iidiot its not that i dislike all of aew marko stunts a joke , dark order cant even throw a punch that actually lands on someone brody lee is boring , young bucks cant even do a strong super kick if chris adams or hbk did it its a finishing move they are ruining cage now they are going to ruin miro jake hager a joke omega sucks keep your cosplay want to be wrestling you basement hiding in your momas house troll
@@aviralsrivastava5126 i wouldnt mind him doing a guest spot in roh and enjoyed him calling the japan matches and i agree with you on him calling balor and cole matches some of it seems like doesnt really want to be there and 2 last things it pisses me off when they let hardy continue in that match take him to the hospital right then and there and leti would rather see jericho feud with jungle boy than cassidy let cassidy feud with darby allen makes more sense
JR’s does a good Stu Hart voice
Cornette rants about AEW like 'the angry video game nerd' does on his channel about games, n it adds a good chunk to the AEW viewership, cuz cult of cornette members tune in n watch AEW like other ppl watch 'so bad its good' kung fu movies.
Nah we aren't tuning in. At best we watch the odd RUclips clip of the good wrestlers Aew has
I listen to Jim and Brian each week, they are hilarious and their criticisms are valid.AEW is the only wrestling product I watch, I want them to do well because I am no longer a wwe fan.
@@IronRangeOutlawBrigade Brian is a nobody his analysis mean nothing
Says you
@@IronRangeOutlawBrigade it's true his opinion is no better than you or me Jim on the other hand is a legend
Holy shit! J.R.'s Stu Hart impression is even better than 🌽's impression!
Because Cornette is absolutely right and Ross knows it.
Gotta say though, the "Cornette is doing it for views and money" arguement is weak because it doesn't actually address any of Cornettes criticisms as to why he thinks the show sucks.
I like Jim Cornette's podcast. He's got some very interesting views.
Two hours with Stu Hart in the Dungeon with Stu Hart. Let me tell you 2 minutes in the Dungen with Stu Hart is a lifetime.
The thing that JR tries to downplay is just how much he agrees with Cornette when Corny gets to ranting. He even admits it, says he doesn't like the product, and doesn't like some of the talent he puts over. Course, he leaves it at that and doesn't directly criticize any wrestlers or matches. But, if you listen to Jim, you got a pretty good idea of what parts are particularly shit. I think AEW and Cornette are great for each other, and they clearly feed off the between them. Jim's already sworn off AEW twice, but eventually comes back to them due to popular demand, it's only a matter of time before they do business.
Wrestling is a very silly business when you think about. Cornette seems to be under the delusion that there is some objective method of fake sports. There are some general principles, but whole concept is fake is built around the audience preferences at the moment, or the promoter's business strategy.
He praises a lot of things on AEW as well. He loves MJF. He had plenty of good things to say about Cody's matches. He sees the potential in Jungle Boy. He seems to hate Darby Allen but he admits he has an interesting look and admits when Allen does something cool in the ring. Cornette looks at wrestling as a viewer, he doesn't have to be understanding and make excuses for what AEW decides to show. He has his preferences just like anyone, he doesn't have to like something just because its the direction things are going. I started watching wrestling in the early 2000's. I wasn't brought up with old school wrestling from the 80's but I can enjoy it. I can't enjoy much of AEW. The problem isn't that Cornette is too old, the problem is that AEW isn't as good as their fans and wrestlers think it is. JR doesn't seem to enjoy it much either, he just seems to think it's fine because it's new.
Only for corny, aew would have even lower ratings
Hate watching is a helluva drug.
"How not to do it" is also a method of training.
Sounds like JR has had enough.
9:15 - great line from JR.
He also compliments AEW when it does something good and criticises other companies too.
He complained about Omega's barbed wire broom vs Moxley's barbed wire baseball bat staredown. The fans went crazy for that, but he thought it was stupid.
They Always put on something good. Some people just cant let go of their "good old days". AEW is Today's wrestling simple as that.
@@LuigiTheItalian If that was the only silly thing, I'd be fine. They have too much silly stuff for me.
@@user-wg6ik1wi6s I don't need the "good old days". I enjoy a lot of NXT. AEW is too silly and they don't explain their stories well enough. They rarely tell us who people are. They assume we watch their RUclips show.
@@LuigiTheItalian so he supposed to think it’s good because some idiots thought it was good?
That Stu Hart impression is great.
"I'm just telling it like it is, it's a different world now" That doesn't mean we should accept it!!!
Who's "we"
Wrestling is never coming back. It is dead. All the people who made it what it was are literally dying. All the people who knew how how to promote and book professional wrestling are literally dead or are geriatrics. All the top talent who could make new stars are gone. There are no places left for guys to go learn their craft before they move on to one of the major territories. There is no way now for it come back, the late 90's and early 2000's were the golden hour before it died.
What is left of professional wrestling is literally a newer, less capable industry than what it was. It is what it is. So it is either find a few things to watch and enjoy or bite the bullet and move on.
Exactly. They say this about baseball all the time. “The game has changes”. Yep strikeouts or homers and boring games. While the ratings and crowds just keep dwindling.
@@garymartling6055 Except, like WWE, baseball has never been more profitable and just signed massive new TV contracts, so there's no reason to change. You're going to say "That doesn't matter" but to those in charge the money is literally all that matters.
Matt S No you’re right it doesn’t matter to the people profiting off those deals. But that’s only because those ratings even as low was they are can still be counted on by advertisers. As they disenfranchise older fans and younger/newer fans never come into existence those ratings will crash. The TV deals will become weaker and they’ll start wondering why. Right now gambling is being allowed into sports as a means of drawing and keeping fans interested who are losing interest. The once unthinkable right? But that vein will tap out one day. Attendance and ratings are down and it’s not because of covid or politics. They soak us for every penny if we go. They present us with a weak product on tv. ESPN and the like are horrible at broadcasting clean, concise games. We spend half the game seeing shots of the booth or the crowd or graphics or ads telling us to tune in to what we’re already watching. No you are right it’s making a fortune. But that will come to a head some day soon
Cornette the best heel in the business by far and away. I don't even watch any pro-wrestling but listening to his reviews of AEW and WWF are incredibly entertaining.
To be fair, Jim does give credit where credit is due. It’s not like all he does is hate unless what he hates on is absolute ass 😂
He's in WWE pocket.
Bobby Heenan, Cornette, JR, my trilogy of god tier wrestling mouth pieces
Everyone here seems to think aew is bad?!
It feels amazing to me.
I dont understand the criticism... every week im hyped and entertained and ive been watching wrestling since the early 90s ... aew has been absolutely amazing
By everyone you mean a bunch of nobodies on the RUclips conment sections of a failed old Booker? Lol relax my man.
There isn't any good wrestling program anymore. There are bits of good stuff, bits of bad stuff and stuff that is so bad it boggles the mind. AEW is ok, as far as a modern wrestling promotion goes. It is better than WWE because it is obviously less heavily scripted and tightly controlled. WWE programming is like watching cult indoctrination. Not the fans, but the wrestlers. Vince McMahon and his team of writers might as well have his hand up their asses, moving their mouths. Its alien, inhuman and weird. AEW is less scripted, but sometimes it really leaves a lot to be desired. That is wrestling in 2020.
On a side note, sometimes Cornette just pisses me off, because a lot of Smoky Mountain Wrestling was like the worst of Memphis wrestling dogshit! ECW was a more traditional character driven wrestling based promotion than Smoky Mt, even with all of the gratuitous unnecessary garbage wrestling, that its funny how much Cornette hated it. Cornette is about as much for traditional styled NWA wrestling as he is a real liberal. He's just an old working carnie at heart. Cornie just seems to really pick and choose what he hates arbitrarily, or whether or not he is involved in it at the time.
Muneeb Ali watch it, Cornette has more accomplishments than the whole AEW locker room combined, credit where credit is due. And he’s obviously not failed
@@Scott-ip3hl lool in what exactly? JR and Jericho are way more accomplished and renowned wrestling figures, as a booker he has failed in most if not every one of his tenure. Tony khan and co, despite being novices have found more success (in the creation and initial success of aew) than Cornette has ever had, which really gets to him.
Muneeb Ali more ppl watched smoky mountain wresting than AEW. Smoky mountain wresting was a small territorial wresting organization from Kentucky/West Viringia on their local tv station... Enough said... We both know Tony Khan has done nothing for wrestling so far, not that I doubt he can, but not yet. Cornette was a top wresting personality and creative mind hired by every major wrestling organization before Jericho made his first 1k in the business
AEW is still extremely green but that can be a good thing as well; it starts off clean in a new era. No smut, no bullying or sexual assault, no drugs, no glorification of obesity or steroids, no self-harm with blades, no violent felons or murderers in their ranks etc. Just modern family entertainment with real looking healthy people who take care of themselves and have physiques you can maintain without destroying your health. Time will tell if they can live up to those expectations with time but it's a new start for wrestling. If you want to see bones broken, you can still watch the NFL, UFC, NHL or something else.
"Cornette won't bend his principles" lol but JR will for a paycheck!
JR joined the "kiss my ass club", after Vince and company mocked his disability. I like Ross as a commentator, but he has no principles.
@@ikill4klondikebars He definitely doesn't he basically was Vince's bitch for years.
@@micahjohnsonboxing6409 like billions around the world just looking to earn. Hardly crime of the century to put food on the table. I put up with loads of crap in my job. It's normal
It's a choice between supporting himself and his family or not.
I see both sides. Ross is willing to ignore his personal feelings in order to work and do his job. Cornette is unwilling to budge and he views all of the changes in wrestling to be "not wrestling." I do believe deep down both love and appreciate each other. They just have different personalities and views on what they are willing to accommodate to keep wrestling alive.
Whether it’s Dusty, Flair, Cena, Hogan, AJ, Stone Cold or Rock or Vince ...the stated goal was to be the best product and bring your very best To the table.
Like it or not, A lot of stuff from AEW doesn’t look like they care to that level ( with exceptions like cody, Dustin , Taz, Cage, Jericho ) Generally speaking If you’re not bringing your “A game “ , why are you there.
Cornette s frustrations start there. I don’t always agree, but I can see that viewpoint.
Agreed
I love Corny’s rants and agree with a quite a few points, but it doesn’t stop me from enjoying what I want to enjoy. I think my biggest pet-peeve is that this was billed as “sports-based wrestling”, but that’s far from what happened.
Glad they have vets like Dustin to take folks to the learning tree. He got a pretty coherent match out of Brodie Lee (Brodie is talented but his story telling needs work).
Good to see you, Kev!
AEW is far from perfect. They're certainly going to make more mistakes as they keep chugging along.
That doesn't mean their management and talent are going to be static and rest on their laurels. Especially now they've cracked a million viewers again - no way WWE is going to let Dynamite run unopposed after that.
@@TAXie-ck7ed I think its one thing to forgive a new promotion for making mistakes, as long as they are learning from those mistakes. Tony Kahn has experienced people working behind the scenes, but its clear to me that TK is only listening to Jericho and Omega and the Bucks and letting them go out on TV every week so they can do their athletic masturbations for a perpetually small audience.
Its just a shame that AEW has so many legends working for them but refuse to tap that well of experience.
JR is Truly a Professional, and I think his dedication to the business is amazing.
I’ve been a wrestling fan since the late 70’s. I just started watching AEW and I think they are doing a great job.
I'd say Jim Cornette mainly criticizes things because he doesn't like them.
He has no irons in the fire and thusly, no fucks to give.
7:35 Conrad plugs Cornettes merch ! LMFAO
Holy shit! I had no idea JR could impersonate Stu that good haha that was good
He slams AEW because AEW said they were an alternative TO WWE not an alternative WWE
I love that everyone's Stu impression sounds exactly the same 😂😂😂
I love that AEW keeps on rolling and showing signs of growing its audience and Cornette keeps burying them. Lol
Shows how much Cornette and 5000 people that care about his opinions actually mater.
"showing signs of growing its audience" ......Damning with faint praise, if ever there was a case.
Nonautomaton don’t be hating cause AEW is spanking your NXT pedo show
@@Grassyknolldallas i stopped watching years ago. Don't miss anything about it.
@@nonautomaton6230 how about income to your house and give you the spiked pile driver right through a glass table?
I agree with JR here 100% however I would not change Cornette's rants for ANYTHING!!lol
cornettes right Aew sucks.
Ramone Ritchie aww 😂
aww sorry muffin did we talk bad about your favorite wrestlers.
For a paycheck that's away from VINCE, these veterans like Jericho, Jim Ross & Matt Hardy will put over any garbage AEW does.
He's a smart man is JR.AEW knew what they was doing signing him.where eles can you get the experience like JR has
And it's very much the same level as Cornette. But unlike Corny, JR actually EMBRACES the future rather than bury it.
Cornette is an interesting character for darn sure. I don't exactly agree with everything he says, but I can easily distinguish what I like when watching AEW, while at the same time agreeing with some of Corny's criticisms. Cornette is right that the athletes should be pacing themselves a little more and not turn everything into a scripted gymnastics routine, however returning to the days of Bill Watts/territories would fall flat with with most folks. I'm not sure a happy medium can be reached somewhere, but I'd say somewhere between 80s WWE and 90s ECW would be perfect. Like late 90s Attitude Era was pretty close to perfect to me (which ironically saw Cornette and Russo, two absolutely polarizing figures, being the creative brains behind most of it).
Cornette is completely right on what he says about aew.
Hell, he even tries to give them the benefit of the doubt a lot of times, but they keep screwing it up and acting like a lame TNA rip off
@@Rodshark75 exactly
One thing I respect about both of these guys is that they werent one of “The Boys” but have still managed to make a living off the business for 40+ yrs. Even today,they’re both able to sell books,burger towels,bbq sauce,podcasts etc. The difference is that Jim(Ross) is willing to eat shit and like the taste if it,to do his job and provide the service he’s being paid to provide. Jim(Cornette) is more of a humanistic view,where its like I paid my dues in order to do things I wanna do and say things i wanna say and peace of mind surpasses monetary gain. I respect and can relate to both views honestly.
Going thru the motions
Is JR REALLY shooting if he works for the company?
Love Jim Cornette on his historical stories and such. He knows wrestling has changed a lot since the 80s and 90s and I think he is just trying desperately to hold onto the old ways. Jim and the Midnight Express caught Hell from old timers from the 50s and 60s about his promos and Bobby Eaton jumping from the top rope . They said the same thing to him that he's saying today about midern wrestling. " Its supposed to be done this way , that's wrong , this makes no sense ". He's turned into that old timet he pissed off years ago.
Good analysis
Well said
When the old ways resulted in several people getting into nasty addictions while doing sick shit under the pretense of "roughhousing" just to cope with the lifestyle , I can't sympathize with him. Out of all the old timers commenting on new stuff, Jim is on par with Ole for how miserable can be.
My issue with Cornette is that he thinks pro wrestling can go back to 80s... No the furthest it can go back is the late 90s but that would force him to give Russo credit and well..
Kayfabe is dead. Point blank period. All you can do is blur the line between reality and kayfabe.
@@greatomeister675 Tbf, even if kayfabe weren't there, no promoter would allow a Sid vs Arn scissor match or people like Kerry or Flair coming fooked to the matches from a soma high.
There should be a compilation of imitations of Stu Hart! 🤣🤣
JR reveals the truth early...which of course Conrad glosses over to return to his painfully obvious agenda: Corny saved his money, he's an entrepreneur,....and JR isn't, so he's got to do and say what makes Tony Khan happy.
Honestly, corny and JR are both spot on. JR has just decided to stay in the business
I love watching AEW just to listen to JR crap on the show while doing play by play and then listening to Corny crap on it on his podcast.
So true. You can totally hear it in his voice at times. He is like wtf?
Brilliant observation- I thought I was alone. 🤣
Well, AEW guys said themselfs they don't listen to J.R.'s advice so Why he should give a fuck about their show?
How bitter are you? why watch a wrestling show you don't like just to hear someone talk shit about it? get a life
@@martinputt6421 aew is wcw 2.0 half of the people there are only there for a paycheck. Stay mad
I love you JR! Lay it down! Be a leader.
The situation with Cornette is extremely simple, he wants it to be 1983 forever.
Thats it.
Nothing more to it.
I'm not criticising it, but it really is as simple as that.
But JR forgetting the Cornette returned the NWA for while and did announcer on NWA PowerRr which was on RUclips till Covid pandemic started
Jims a relic of the past
The amount of ads in these is disgusting. I am not getting a blocker or Premium just for Conman Connie vids
Thing is ,,the stuff he says is true in most cases ,,and he has a pretty large following that agrees!! AEW has more hiccups then payoffs, and he does criticize the WWE,, just not as much LOL
More hiccups than payoffs? Nah, I don't think so. They are doing amazingly well for a company that has only existed for about 18 months.
He doesnt critizes WWE because no one would care really. WWE is pretty much dead by itself
@@Rocket1377 I'm glad that you are on their juice🤣 but there are plenty of companies that have been around longer that have a quarter of the botches they have sure, not to mention a ten-year-old could write better story lines. But again just because you like it, and a small fraction of wrestling fans like it doesn't mean everything they do is gold. Don't be a sheep
can we all just agree that comrad looks like hagrid from harry potter of he cut his hair and trimmed his beard 😆🤣🤣🤣🤣
JR is no dummy. He's toting the company line. But he knows Cornette is spot on with most criticism. Most NOT all.
Exactly. I'm pretty sure he quietly agrees with most if not all of Cornette's criticism but can't really express it publicly as long as he's employed by Tony Khan so he pretty much has to put them over.
JR knows it changed he's rolling with it Jim is stuck in the mud
stu hart. when being a wrestling journalist means factoring in extra time for getting trapped in a basement with a lethal geriatric.
Sounds like JR’s argument boils down to “Jim Cornette won’t compromise his principles and I’m willing to rationalize for a good sized paycheck.”
That's legit how EVERYONE works. AEW saw that JR's contract was expiring for WWE and they took advantage. JR just went where the money went and was embraced by the company at a more creative level. It's not just that the paycheck was good. Besides, Vince wanted JR gone from WWE on multiple occasions, which is why they did those bullshit vignettes. Vince always said he was "too Southern".
Maveric Oh, I’m not saying he’s a bad person for it.
I’m just saying what it sounds like JR is doing.
He criticizes other companies, but JR is personifying one of the biggest complaints about AEW, no one in that company can take criticisms. All of them take it too personally (looking at you Cody AND Jerricho.)
What’s funny is AEW and it’s talent LOVE to dish it out yet get it back and they get all up tight about it and come out fighting as if you’ve just shot thier dog in the face, that then translates to the fans and has fostered this attitude of must defend AEW no matter what
Look at how AEW hardcores STILL cry about that HHH pissant comment from over A YEAR AGO and how “hhh started it”, blatantly ignoring the 100 shots AEW and the elite had already taken at wwe