Excellent video! I love my MODX. Best synth and best value synth I have ever owned. I love the new update that adds DAW remote and a cool smart fm morpher. The MODX with CUBASE is all I will ever need. If I ever did upgrade, it would be to a MONTAGE, but really no reason to, unless I hit the lottery, lol.
The combination of Cubasis (iOS) and MODX is very powerful. Since the MODX has a good (class compliant) audio/MIDI interface, you can send audio/MIDI data to and from the DAW without any perceptible latency. Best of both worlds, using MODX sounds combined with iOS instruments such as Pianoteq (pianos are a weak point of MODX/Montage), the sequencing and even mastering power of a DAW....and no mouse-clicking required. However, I recently upgraded from MODX8 to Montage (classic) 8, because I didn't really enjoy playing on the MODX8 keybed. I miss the "Rhythm Pattern" button, but I like having 8 buttons for switching the scenes.
That’s what I’m talking about! You playing it ! Other videos I watch they always play out of space music and I don’t get the chance to hear the sounds , that’s how you do it Bro, thank you for this video I been looking for someone to really play it and you it. Thank you! God Bless
As someone who was looking for a keyboard for years as mostly a bass player, the modx is EASILY the best value for your buck. It really deserves all the sales its been getting. It soars on a live stage or just playing around solo.
I appreciated this video, it is clear, accurate, and the comparisons with other keyboards are appropriate. I bought a Fantom as I simply couldn't get past the bad feel of the MODX key bed. I don't have any problems with the 'dated' Fantom (or FA) sounds, nor I think do folks out in the audience really care. It's really more of a 'producer-y' complain. A teensy tweak of a knob is enough to change an old sound into a brand new one.
Totally agree. I love my MODX, and I use it for EVERYTHING. My other synths get used on and off depending on what I'm working on, but my MODX is the workhorse that I use for everything. You should mention the hundreds of drum sounds in it - they are very high quality, and include a complete TR-808 and TR-909 sample set. Also, if it doesn't have a sound that you want - you can likely find it, or record it yourself and load it into it. I do wish that it had the eight scene buttons sliders and poly aftertouch keybed that the Montage has...but not enough to spend an extra $2000 for a Montage. :)
You can get a poly aftertouch keyboard for a lot less than the difference between the Montage and the MODX. I'm using an SY85 to control mine and it's also given me a load more control over the sequencer.
Completely agree! Best decision that Yamaha made. They broke the unspoken rule that a mid-range synth cannot be as good as their flagship board. Although it’s not quite a Montage, it’s pretty damn close for a fraction of the price. Of course you can see where they cut costs with components but you get almost exactly the same brain. It has also become the gateway drug to the Montage.
How cool is it that Yamy has featured a fully blown (and extended) FM synthesis engine? This alone almost makes this keyboard worth the admission price.
So true. The keybed was the only thing which attracted criticism really. I would’ve bought a module version of this in a heartbeat. The sound module market just must be dead nowadays.
With the new update the sequencer makes this a killer workstation now, and not forgetting the ability to load your own samples and have them stored on flash memory too! Well done Yamaha.
Jimmy Jenkinson that is understandable, Cheap keybeds are a non starter. Some dont like the Nord keybeds but when I have played the stage at Guitar center i just love it
I recently bought this keyboard, with which I allowed too many years go by with the technology changing so much, which was a big jump from the Yamaha 9000 pro. In your reference to the keybed, I have to say you are absolutely right. The 9000 pro, IMO, is a great keybed to use in comparison to this one. Disappointing yes, but it fitted my budget at the time. Thank you for your informative video Darrick.
The Best selling synth right now it’s crazy!!! I got so mad when it got released when I got the Montage 8 but hey it’s worth it props to Yamaha. Now they’ve got a new update OS V2.5 for the MODX and OS V3.5 for the Montage check it out! It has a new feature.
Indeed! I have seen the new update features looks pretty cool for sure. Even the 2.0 update which I installed was a game changer. Technically it took it from a performance synth to a workstation. Thanks for taking the time to comment! I appreciate it.
@@darrickkeels6387 yes, definitely download the version 2.5 update for your MODX. You will not be disappointed. The new morphing feature alone is worth the download.
I think The MODx only has 8 MIDI channel outs. I haven't bought a new keyboard in over 20 years so recently picked up myself a Yamaha MODX8 and just love the sounds. I pair this with my EMU Vintage keys module and my Elektron Digitone Keys. I love FM synthesis. The Emu allows me the opportunity to have Moog and Oberheim samples. On my next summer vacation Ill sample everything into the Yamaha
I was just watching this review again, which is an excellent review. Totally agree with Darrick's points. There is no dispute about if the Montage (more than double the price) has a better keybed than the MODX, but when comparing it to other keybeds, I've found many to be a lot worse than the MODX. Even some that were also more than $1000 like the MODX. I've had my MODX6 two and a half years now. I basically switched from a Korg premium keybed. I really don't think the MODX6 keybed has affected my playing much vs the premium keybed that was my main keybed previously. I think saying it's the same as a $100 toy keyboard is a stretch. Otherwise I agree 100% with Darrick's comments. You might be able to find a $100 keyboard with as good a keybed, but most won't be. There are still new model boards aimed that the semi-professional market that have a much worse keybed than the MODX. Korg has the Triton LE in the earlier 2000s. It's keybed felt truly horrible, and the keys literally flexed and felt like they were gonna snap off. It sold for similar money as the MODX. Yet I didn't hear many complaining about the awful keybed in it, but the reviewers should have been. I tried a couple other current model synths with much worse keybeds than the MODX, and they were a lot more than $100. Darrick makes a great point that the included MODX sounds are often better than both the Korg Kronos & the Roland FA's, probably the two biggest competitors when the MODX first came out. Wither you prefer Montage sounds (MODX) or Kronos sounds is personal preference. Both are very powerful modern synth engines. But one thing is clear, and why I love the MODX. The MODX is by far, the most powerful synthesizer keyboard that is both affordable and very light weight. Korg does not offer a competitor to the MODX. Their new Nautilus is neither a much lighter weight alternative to the Kronos, nor nearly as affordable as the MODX. So the MODX is the clear winner on so many levels. The Roland FA at the time the MODX came out, was Roland's competitor in a light weight synth, but it's technology is much older than the MODX. Their new Fantom surely would compete with power, but not price or weight. Both very important factors to many gigging musicians like me. Both the MODX & Kronos have tons of sound collections made for them. Since the MODX is compatible with the Montage, MOTIF series, DX7, TX816 & TX802, I would not be surprised if more sound collections exist in a format compatible with the MODX than the Kronos. Either way, you won't be short on the number of sound collections you can choose from to add.
I watched parts of this video again to refresh my memory. I went to a local dealer and was able to compare the MODX next to the new Fantom 07/08. I must confess I was disappointed with the MODX keybed. It is not horrible, but my PSR-SX900 keybed is IMHO better than the MODX; the Fantom 08 is weighted so no comparison, but the Fantom 07 feels much better than the MODX. Derrick's review of the Fantom 0 Series is spot on that the Fantom 0 is a better choice than the MODX overall. The user interface is also a little easier for me than the MODX; I realize it is all subjective, but that keybed would be a problem for me.
@@luisphoto3 I've checked out the Fantom 0, and feel the MODX much better serves my needs, and is still king when it comes to value. Not that the Fantom 0 isn't good too. It largely comes down to the sounds. Do you play rock or synth pop? Do you use sampled sounds? Read my comments on Derrick's post about the Fantom 0 vs the MODX for more details.
@@luisphoto3 As you mentioned, it is subjective. My main task in most of my bands has been a lead player. Lead synthesizer & lead organ solos. I prefer the lighter action of my MODX6 than I do the action of the Fantom 06 or 07. I do play piano on it too, and have plenty of other keybed in my other keyboards If I want to MIDI to them or use them. Although for piano I'd agree the Fantom 0 keybed would be better action for piano, I still prefer the piano sounds on the MODX. The MODX6/7 keybed is light action, but not so light that it's no good like some kebeds I have tried where there is next to zero resistance. Overall I have no complaints at all with the MODX6 keybed, and my main keybed I previously used for many years was a Korg with a premium 61 keybed. I also have a Roland with a premium 76 keybed. I'm not wild about the Roland action on their keybeds, though I don't have any real gripes about it either. The action on a keybed really depends on the kind of material you play on it. Although I've only spent an hour with a Fantom 0 so far (but have spent much time listening to it's sounds via Roland VST's which are largely identical, or online videos), so far I prefer the user interface of the user interface of the MODX. Both the MODX and the Montage have the same "large" touch screen with large touch screen user interface. I really love it! Much better than most other keyboards for navigating. A larger screen is easier to see (especially when your wearing contacts), and a larger screen is much easier to press with your fingers. I found the Fantom 0 much more confusing to sort through it's various sounds, and I've found other people who own both keyboards later saying exactly the same thing. It is much easier to sort sounds via the touch screen (especially considering it's a larger touch screen) than it is to use the category buttons on the Fantom 0. I'm able to find an audition sounds much easier on the MODX. There is nothing "easy", intuitive or obvious about the operation of the Fantom 0 when you have to press the Zone button & then the "2" button under the release knob to enter B3 mode to find the B3 sounds, besides the terrible Zen-Core organ sounds I found when I pressed the organ category button. What is easy or obvious about that? And so much for everything runs in one mode. It doesn't. There are a number of reasons why I prefer the MODX to the Fantom 0. Instead of re-typing or copying my long thread about the topic here, please click on Darrick's other video comparing the Fantom 0 to the MODX. While I highly respect Darrick's comments as he really knows his stuff, andd so do I. We're both been into synths for decades and own a number of keyboards from Korg, Roland, Yamaha and others. I simply present an alternative point of view about the Fantom 0, and how the MODX better fits my own needs and likely a lot of other people too. I still think the Fantom 0 is a great keyboard, and I'd have absolutely no problem recommending one to people if I feel it best fits their needs, which it will for some people. I think the easiest way to sum it up is, if you play in 80s/70s rock cover bands as I do, I feel the MODX is the better keyboard for the majority of users. If you play synth pop, electronica, techno or house music, the Fantom 0 is probably the better keyboard for that kind of music. But I hope the Fantom 0 does well, and a bunch of sound collections eventually are made for it as I can load most of them into my VST's and would still benefit.
Sir Darrick 💯 you hit the🎯 on the Roland sounds vs Yamaha MODX (Dated vs Modern) 🙏😎. Your knowledge of your gear( technically) is astonishing!. I thought the keybed was cheesy. Thanks again😎
Its exactly what I have been saying for years .. Roland makes some excellent instruments, no doubt, but it really bothers me that in those 1100 or so sounds of their sound source , like he points out here half of the sounds is so well known in your mind because they havn't been updated since the first U-110 module and JV and D-70 wich the latter I used for several years back in the 90'ies some of these sounds are not 20 but almost 30 years old now
Nice. I learned a lot! You touched on the Roland FA's dated digital PCM sounds from 20 years ago. I wholeheartedly agree; however, if you reach back an additional 15-20 years, you'll find the Roland classic synths and drum machines that changed popular music forever and that modern electronic musicians still love and use. The FA is flush with these sounds. It's a veritable "Roland's Greatest Hits" package and great value when you consider what having all those individual classic Roland synths (or boutiques) would cost. Well worth considering for electronic musicians. Of course, Yamaha has a grand legacy of its own with FM synthesis and the MODX can't be beaten for getting that 80s specific sound when it some to synths. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for posting. Agree, the best value for the money on the MODX. The MODX is very editable; if you really spend the time with tailoring the sounds like the way you prefer, you can get the most out of it compared to other workstations on the market (for the price). The weakest part are the organs and the keyboard action. The organs are not a modeled; however, if you spend the time tweaking them, you will find a useful organ. The keyboard action is weak but I use the MODX as a top board and assign sounds via midi it to a nice feeling controller. Really happy with the MODX as a live setup. It just not my preference to use VSTs and laptops and cable and power adapters all over the place...
I have the exact set up. They compliment each other nicely. I love the MODX8 as a stand alone as well. Some don't like the pianos, but honestly they sound fine to me. I play Jazz/Fusion/Latin and Top 40 and it plays well in all of those genres. For the money you can't beat it. And not to mention it isn't even near as hard to move as my KRONOS which I love but it kills my back! :) Thank for the Vid! Great Job!
Besides better build quality and more options, more parts, endless rotary knobs, more sample storage, for me the keybed is an absolute no go. I even wonder how people can play on this cheapo feeling keys. I want to enjoy when playing my keyboards instead of feeling like an operator who operates the keyboard and presses the keys. The keybed difference between the Montage 6/7 and MoDx respectively is like playing electronig drums from the early nineties versus the real ones. This of course applies to all low class keyboards from other companies too (Korg Chrome, Roland Fa 06, and so on).
I picked one up second hand for less than half price, with nice case, instructions and PS. . I began to enjoy this instrument straight away. Ideas for creating tracks were instant and exciting. This is my first Yamaha synth and it seems to be light years ahead of anything else i have tried so far. Entertainment wise, 10 out of 10.It is a keeper for now. .
Ok, I had a Ensoniq VFXSD for years. I moved to a Korg Karma when it came out. About 22 years later got the Yamaha MODX 6. I love it, it's great. I would like to be able to audition sounds on the latest track while the sequence is playing. Now I want a Korg Wavestate or a Hydrasynth and maybe a Akai Mpc
My keyboard was so old when I pressed a key a bird came out and tweeted the note. Cost me a fortune in seed. The Yamaha modx is so much better and cleaner. Thanks Darrick.
Another Great! & unbiased opinion. Now that gigs are lockdown I will have the time to reprogram all the cover sounds, but first need your input choosing between MODX7 & Korg Nautilus 7. Cyber week is still on the horizon in getting 20% off. Thank you
Thanks for this review, I actually just placed a bid on eBay for a used one. About the keybed, I actually like the keybed on the MODX6, its a lot better than my IK iRig Keys MiDi controller that I currently have. Thanks again.
Is the Yamaha MODX the Ultimate Value Synth? Most definitely yes! I have the MODX8. It's capabilities are amazing. The potential for music and sound creativity is limitless!
Cool overview!! My opinion is exactly the same. I still haven't bought one of them (MODX or Montage 6) because it's a hard decision since I currently have a MoXF 6. I hate the MODX keybed and I don't like how the MODX looks (= pretty cheap and simple). But my biggest argument against the Montage is the weight... I don't want to carry this! So I still have to think about it :)
It's not a "problem." Sounds and keybeds are a matter of taste and preference. Nothing more than an opinion. It is an awesome board and I use it live all the time
Yeah, I was pissed because I was set on the RD 2000. Went into the store and played the MODX and was pissed ! Ordered the MODX8 . Your demo was excellent.
17:42: I believe you can actually expand on the faders and knobs with a MIDI control surface like Korg nanocontrol 2 and connect it via the USB to the MODX. Would that be an option for you? MODX is a real good steal, considering it is the only one that one can get with modern features. I wonder what the future looks like for the other companies.
I got both Roland FA-6 and MoDX, the sounds are different obviously but I dont find that "old sounds" are bad sounds . . .Many of the XV/JV sounds from Roland has been studio standards for years, but they are really good. Many of the other sounds of the FA are new ones, and is not dated in my opinion, and sound crisp, natural and nice. . ..I like both synths, I just got my MODX, and adore it . . .but that not make the typical synthsounds of XV/JV/XP bad. . those are still good
I didn't say the FA's sounds were "bad." There are of course classic sounds that never go out of style. This is especially true in the "synth" department. But if I am looking for realistic brass, woodwinds, strings, basses, guitars, drums, pianos, EPs, organs etc, those tiny samples simply do not hold enough information to sound realistic by today's standards. All companies recycle sounds but I think Roland takes it too far. I have all of the JV/XV sounds in my Fantom, MC-707, FA08 and RD2000. They have all of the old expansions available and they keep coming out with remakes of sound libraries from the Juno 106, Jupiter 8, SH101, etc. I get it they are classic synths. But when they came out they were innovative, cutting edge and shaped whole genres. It would be nice to see them push the envelope again. I feel there are more sounds, effects, and control capabilities in the Yamaha that push the envelope more than the FA.
The Fantom O series is out now, and is the new value leader in my opinion. User sampling, 256 poly, 2gb storage, full tonewheel engine, USB stereo all 16 parts, VA model expansions available, decked-out control surface. I do have the MODX and like it for the FM sounds and ambient pads.
Nice review, love the freestyle playing. I have the MODX7 and find the keybed good to use (perhaps they have updated it?). The only criticism would be each key has too much sideways slack but something you get used to. Some sounds, as with all boards, are a little bit thin, but layering/changing can add immense depth. Best thing about this board is the dynamic depth, giving great expression. Knocks my Krome out of the park.
Although I shy away from workstation keyboards but I do like the modx however the keybed is not awesome. But for the price they had to cut costs somewhere and for the price its an amazing deal
@@yannic2248 The MODX8 bed is really nice, and even more so if you play piano. The 6 and 7 beds feel very cheap and are a bit too well sprung for the light weight of the keys. They could probably be fixed with some counterweights, but it's a lot of messing around.
Great FM sounds, loads of decent drums, great performance tools and realtime controls that feel great.. Easy to see why people love them. I really like mine, but the "sequencer" still has me puzzled after quite a long time. I'm old skool so I much prefer linear like the SY or EX Yam's.
Thinner black keys can be good though sometimes so you don't take down 3 keys accidentally when trying to hit the white key between (my ensoniq TS12 has black keys that're too close together and it really slows you down
I'm buying a modx8 for the better keyboard, I figured that it was cheaper than buying a 7 or a 6 and getting another full-sized keyboard. And the upgrade adds a whole sequencer!
Keep in mind that you could get an 88 key MIDI controller that has aftertouch, which is something none of the MODX keybeds include. And on the used market, it might actually be cheaper to buy a MODX6 and an 88 key MIDI controller. However, aftertouch has not been well supported by the Montage sound collections or in modern keyboards in general unlike the old days.
@@n8goulet True, but I do have a Novation Bass Station 2 so at a pinch I could do a lead line with aftertouch on that if I was desperate for aftertouch. My modx8 (which I now have!) is so chock-full of other features its not something I'm going to miss.
I use my MODX6 as both a top board and a sound module. I have a Casio PX 350 88 key on the bottom (only weighs 24lb and has a decent key bed) and use a midi router to route its midi output to ch 9-16. When I setup a program, I can make layers, splits etc for each scene on ch 9-16 for the lower weighted keyboard and ch 1-8 play from the MODX keyboard. Often I just have ch 9 set to the S700 piano or the single channel CFX. But I can layer pads etc. The downside is much less effects on the upper bank of channels. I can switch programs in the midi router to use 5- 8 as well if for some reason I need more inserts on the weighted keyboard but then I only have 4 channels for the upper board.
Hey everyone, Ian here. I was the same as Robert Gianchino, only with the PSR 7000, using the 16 track to the max and creating some great compositions as a home studio. Can you do the same with the MoDX, and record single instruments as a home studio work station and create a full band, or is this more for LIVE performances ?
Holy cow, you still have a SY85? That was the first synthesizer I owned, back in 1993. Sold it when I got a Triton Extreme (and sampled my favorite SY85 voices for nostalgia).
Hello everyone. I would like an honest opinion from fellow keyboard players out there. I have done my research and I definitely want the sounds from the modx. But.. I know the keybeds from me reading reviews are not so good. So I have an idea.. how about having the modx6 on top, and as my main piano on the bottom, the studiologic sl88 grand keyboard controller. From my personal opinion, I think it’s a pretty good idea! The great sounds from the modx plus Keyboard action on top and my sl88 grand for my main pianos and e pianos etc, what y’all think? Doing this for church performances
Great review 👍 Have been using a Triton Extreme 61 as a top board for nearly twenty years. Looking for a lighter, more portable board and the MODX 6 could be the answer. It’s just the keybed though. Have tried the MODX 7 and the keys I thought were light but fast. Could get used to them but the Yamaha FS action on the Triton takes some beating.
Thanks a lot for great review. I just ordered a MODX 7, and I guess I will have it by monday. But I also have 2 Motif (7 and 8), - great keys and great response. I love Yamaha. I hope there is old-school MIDI on the MODX?
Hi Great video. I bought in last July and would like to buy others synth to my gear, but many times realizing MODX can be programmed to get the sounds which are GREAT, and kept my money. You pointed out most of the sounds are dated, but it is to say we can load lot of new samples, and either by Soundmondo or Yamaha with new releases, free, or from Easysounds by pay, you can completely renew your sound library.
@@darrickkeels6387 Yes! really sorry about confusion. Another question raised to me is I can not hear the sound module when playing a midi tracks from Garage Band, have you experienced this ? is it normal, even if I am able to use USB audio and record one midi track with the MODX into GarageBand that I can play to any vst but MODX connect ! Thanks and congrats for your videos
DX sounds generation is 37 years old AWM .. had that in my SY77 which came out in 1989 - 31 years ago... but okay yeah yamaha is awm 2.... so 19 years ago yamaha motif...2001 and montage came out 2016 so 4 years back "new" ... right :)
The AWM2 sound engine simply refers to the process of sample playback and digital filtering that Yamaha uses. It is more of a broad "umbrella" term. There have been many advances in the sound engine in the past 20-30 years. Hence a Montage sounds lightyears better than an SY77. Samples are much larger now and can contain so much more detail. The Motif Classic had a ROM size of 84MB. The Motif XF 741MB. The MODX contains 5.67GB of samples. Yeah...they all fall under the category of AWM2 but they are not the same.
I read somewhere that the factory preset sounds are voiced (EQed, effects,...) differently on MODX and Montage. Supposedly to make Montage sound better. Is that true?
Hi Darrick, which one of these boards do you think would make a good midi controller. I have been using a Roland FA08 and had a Roland Jupiter 80. I’d rather that they have their own sound library so I can compose without having to load a sound in DAW.. but some of these have weighted key which is good for piano but bad when you need to input drums.. the dedicated midi keyboards on the market feel a bit too flimsy and cheap… watched a couple of your reviews and wonder how you think of it.
I would use a Montage personally if I were to use a keyboard with on board sounds as a MIDI controller. The Roland Fantom would also be a good choice due to excellent DAW integration.
Thank you I play a lot of 50s, 60s,70s music...and as an alternative to playing an arranger KB like Yamaha SX900 etc, I thought I would try to migrate to a synth, workstation etc like the Modx using the arps/patterns? thoughts? also is the key bed better on the MODx7?
I really don't agree with you, that it sounds better than Kronos. I have both, Kronos 88 and MODX 7, and pianos, organs, Leslies and strings etc. sounds far better at Kronos in my opinion. So why do I then have a MODX? Well, the weigthed keys on Kronos are great, but when playing a solo or something that has to go fast, it's a lot easier at MODX with semi weighted keys and the keys have a more finger friendly shape at the edges. Making a glissando at Kronos almost rip off the skin of your fingers, but I agree with you, that the keybed could have been much better. Thanks for the video.
Yeah sounds are a matter of taste and personal preference. I personally like most of the acoustic sounds better on the Yamaha than the Kronos. But the organs are by far better on the Kronos to me. The dedicated sound engine simply provides features unavailable on the MODX etc. Overall they both sound great hence I own both lol!
Hi Darrick: I love the review and the honestly -- too many people just say how great everything is..so I thought I would toss you a comment. I heard someone review that the 76 was better than the 88. I was looking at the 88 to practice piano skills and have a legitimate tool for my daughters to start on.
If the goal is for your daughters to learn how to play piano, I think the 88 is the best option. This will help them develop their finger strength. The MODX7 has the exact same keybed as the MODX6. The only difference is actually the amount of keys.
I honestly wish Yamaha MODX had a lighted keyboard as the EZ220!!! I realize it is not a beginners keyboard but still it would be a great thing. Professionals or those that don't need lighted keys could always turn it off.
Darrick, this is a great review. I purchased an FA 07, last year, and it was a choice between the FA and the MODX 7. I knew the MODX was the more modern, more heavily featured synth, and that it had the Montage engine. Really, I should have purchased the Yamaha. But, the keybed was what persuaded me to go for the FA 07. The 07 on the Roland is a better keybed than on the 06, which is almost as awful as the MODX's. The MODX feels flat and unresponsive. I totally agree with your comments. It's a shame, because in every other way, it beats the Roland. I just couldn't imagine enjoying playing on the MODX. Recently, I tried the new Roland Fantom, which has an excellent keybed, on both the 61 and 76 synth action versions, and the 88, fully weighted keybed, taken from the Roland RD2000. When you play the Fantom 7 or 6, you cannot hear the click of the keys, even when playing silently. And the bounce on the board is beautiful. The only problem is the massive cost, putting it into the Montage price bracket. Have you tried the Fantom?
Yes, I have played the Fantom 6 and 8. Roland did a great job on those keybeds and hardware in general. . But what I found is once I got past the few shiny new sounds the others were dated sounding. Lots of sounds from their 90's keyboards and sound modules. In fact amongst Fantom owners on their forums it's probably the number 1 complaint. And the amount of insert effects is lacking, so making rich sounding sequences would be a major challenge for me. However, I have my eye on it as they continue to make updates.
@@darrickkeels6387 thanks for the heads up. I will bare that in mind. To be fair, there are some great VST plugins out there at the moment, with some super sounds. In fact, I think some of the big synth manufacturers might be accused of resting on their laurels, and trading on their name. If I were buying a keyboard now, after weighing up all the information, I might go for a good quality midi controller, like a Native Instruments, and surf the net for plugins. Arturia have produced some great ones. I have recently downloaded a demo of the Oberheim XA. It's really good.
@@darrickkeels6387 Hi. Just to let you know, I have just placed a deposit on, with the view to collecting it next weekend, a MODX 8. I was going to purchase a hard core synthesizer, but I went for the 8 instead. When I consider that this is practically a £3000 keyboard (except for a few details) for less than £1300, it just had to be done. I would like to thank you for putting me on the road to this decision. So if it goes wrong, it's all on you 😆Just kidding, my friend. All the best to you.
Great Video Darrick!!👌🏼 I got a MODX8 earlier this year and it's a valuable investment for that price range. It's an efficient workstation that delivers diverse and intelligent sound design capabilities alongside an extensive sound library (particularly in the synth categories). However, I'm a bit disappointed with a few features about the MODX8 1. The sound breaks during my live performance when I combine multiple sound patches and effects. 2. There seems to be significant latency when navigating the system's interface via the touch screen and this creates noticeable lag. 3. Sound trasitions when switching between scenes is not seamless and can be very rough and pronounced. I've been very attracted to the highly acclaimed KRONOS lately as I believe it will have the raw power and sophistication that suits my needs. Although I'm still kinda holding on a bit to see whether KORG releases a newer flagship (Kronos 3 maybe) that has upgraded features with a more modern user interface and experience. I hope I wouldnt be disappointed
Thank you for the compliment! I like making videos like this. I have found that I am more prone to running into polyphony issues with the MODX than I am on the Korg Kronos, or even the Nord Stage 3. If I am only playing the MODX,the when using layers I try to only use "single part" sounds in the MODX. This helps to preserve polyphony. Many of the "multi part" sounds really seem to be designed to use alone. Also whenever it makes sense to use an FM sound as opposed to a AWM-2 sound I will do so thus taking advantage of both sound engines. The FM engine has its own 64 voices. But ultimately I am normally pairing the MODX with another keyboard of mine. In a live setting polyphony is not an issue because the MODX is handling auxiliary sounds (horns, strings, synth bass, flute, synth lead etc). I like the operating system of the MODX a lot better than the Kronos. But if I am running a one keyboard set up, I normally use the Kronos, it's just more powerful.
@@darrickkeels6387 short note i also have a kronos and from what i can tell from looking at the modx, i dont own one as yet but am considering buying one, to me the kronos operating system is far easyer then the modx ? cheers
sold my Kronos it doesnt sound that great to me sounds a bit sterile the 4gb piano is like well frankly i can get better piano for what i want out of a cheaper board. i hated the 2 minute plus bootup time and once a month even with a quality ups id get a crash. As far as keybeds goes yes its a bit better i had the 76. Then again I have a casio PX5S which is light but a lovely 88 hammer action on it I use it to control the rig basically. Unless im going for a break my finger slides on organ sounds
I’m so back and forth about this keyboard. Over a year ago when I was looking for a keyboard I wouldn’t buy because I didn’t like the skinny keys. I’m wondering if the 76 keys are the same. When I see a keyboard that looks like what I want it’s always missing something or priced too high for my budget but I know that’s the business. 😃
The keys on the 76 are the same as the keys on the 61. The only difference is the amount of keys. The only keyboard with a different key action in the line is the MODX8.
i just got mine, and i can already say, its the best synth i have had so far, my only "complaint" is how deep one must dive in the menus, just to split the keyboard! (compared to some other boards) maybe i am doing it wrong...-- and i agree, the keybed is not the best, but all in all, its a keyboard WELL worth its money, greetings, Levi in sweden
You can actually do a split without diving into menus. The key rang is displayed on the Performance (Home) screen. I showed the long way of doing it in this video.
I did indeed use it but often times I had it connected to another keyboard if I was playing piano and EP sounds. However, nowadays I rarely use it live. I use Montage instead. Yes the MODX is lighter but I'd rather just take one keyboard than two just because the keybed is of poor quality. I am on the verge of selling it honestly.
I've been playing live with my MODX7 for well over a year, and honestly still don't feel "bonded" with mine. I think it's the wall wart and super-light keybed and plastic toy feel. But those things can certainly be an advantage live. I have a Kurzweil Forte 7 that is built like a tank, just feels premium, but that comes with weight and cost. (Together this is my current live rig) I immediately bought a backup wall wart that lives in my backup gear case, something I always recommend for live players that have gear with wall warts! :) One area I kind of discounted early on was the "analog" style sounds. I'm finding though that it was more the lousy patches than anything else--now that I've gotten in there and rolled some from scratch they really don't sound bad at all. Are they going to sound quite as rich and punchy and "fat" as a Prophet V or Obie? No, but in a live cover band setting like mine it is sounding just fine. Again the stock patches lean toward the thin and perhaps "modern" side, and they also tend to have too much fx for my own live preferences. The biggest value I've gotten out of my MODX, and the reason it stayed in my rig despite my underappreciation---being able to very easily incorporate an ipad (or iphone). Audio and midi on one cable. The MODX allows you to specify zones that send on particular midi channels, with local off (or on). You can even have splits and layers between the external IOS and internal patches. Specifically I use B-3X for hammond organ, which is quite simply the best-sounding b3 I've played that isn't a real b3. Then includes a Nord Electro, Roland vr700 and some software organs. If my MODX was doing nothing but acting as a controller for B-3X it would be doing good work! But again I'm starting to wake up to just how good thing thing really is in all areas (other than maybe it's own internal b3 organ!) I have other great sounding IOS synths (Moog model 15, model D, Zeeon) but my mind is rapidly changing on how good the internal synth can sound.
question do you need a very special UsB key to synthesize I have the same synth how they do what they do sounds that join songs from varieties like Bon Jovi for example or Toto Jean-Michel Jarre have- they a software with thanks
A good sound is always a good sound! Sometimes it's like the wine ...the older the better. So what problem if the samples are taken from the older Motif series and the Motif series itself contains older samples from the older EX series and the other yamaha synths etc etc.. I think Yamaha samples can sound too clean or processed sometimes, but they sit nice in a production of any genre and style. They sound good in a live context too if you know how to choose the correct sounds in a situation . It's up to the composer/arranger to choose the correct sounds for a project! The MODX is a wonderful, complete instrument with many sounds and possibilities to accomplish your musical concerns! In this price range it's the best allrounder Synth/Workstation (IMHO) (incl. the firmware upgrades)... so i agree it's the Ultimate Value Synth !!
Regarding Yamaha's clean sounds, yes I mostly agree. The good thing is, it is so easy to dirty up a sound if needed - some overdrive, distortion, treble roll-off etc. Fun times!
Dang ! I thought the same thing, like the keys feel cheap but for $600 more you can get the heavy hammer keys that feel better made and probably last longer... maybe just have a full 88 heavy key midi control out of it will fix that ?
Yes the MODX8 does feel better. That's an option for some people who don't mind the size and a weighted keybed. But for keyboard players that want a lighter action and smaller footprint this may not be an option. So trying the keyboard is a must. Many people can live with it or don't really find it to be all that bad.
There is one in Craigslist for $1250 I can’t call because I’ve played the MODX7 but made the mistake of playing the MODX8 -your right-the key bed can reduce the happy. However the 8 can produce the sad when it lightens your wallet 🤨
What about the audio output resolution? The fact that it is a 44khz output does not bother you? I tested the 88 keys version, the keybed is really nice...but the output is a problem for me because I always record in 24bit/48khz resolution
Awesome video, thanks. I'm seriously considering either an MODX6 plus a nice new DP (P-515 or RD-88) rather than just another new stage piano (CP-88 or RD-2000). I've always had stage pianos (currently an MP7) and never had a two-tier setup before, but it feels like this would be more flexible. Are there any downsides to purely driving this with a separate DP's keyboard? Will the patches respond even better to a good quality keybed via MIDI? Often I'll be playing somewhere that already has a decent digital piano, so the thought of just having to bring a MODX6 and hook up with MIDI cables, and leaving the 'piano' at home is really tempting. Cheers!
always find the keyboard feel them connect sounds either internal or external. make sure the keyboard has the level of control you want. ootherwise you wind up with boxes all over the place. i suggest you start by using the digital piano available at the venue, take a korg nanocontrol2 and rack modules for synth or other sounds. then decide what you wish you had to make your workflow easier for you.
Nice video, which one is this, I am a synth player, but when I tried the modx6, 7 and 8 I felt like I'd pay the extra for the modx 8 as the keybed felt much more inspiring, I don't recall it feeling that much different than the kronos (the fa-08 felt very heavy keys) , am I crazy? the modx 6 keybed was average but if you have ever played a microkorg or mininova you will know bad toy keys
I had a Kronos 73 when it first came out and the keybed on that was terrible, after using a Triton which was much better . The last good kbd from Korg was on the Z1 and the Prophecy.
That is a great review; I like a natural and peaceful way how you share your thoughts!
With the FM e piano’s YOU CAN COMBINE the Rhodes samples for awesome electric piano’’s.
You get straight to the point. No 3 minute intro or nothing, good job, great video.
Excellent video!
I love my MODX.
Best synth and best value synth I have ever owned.
I love the new update that adds DAW remote and a cool smart fm morpher.
The MODX with CUBASE is all I will ever need.
If I ever did upgrade, it would be to a MONTAGE, but really no reason to, unless I hit the lottery, lol.
It is certainly my best value synth. By far! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for sharing
The combination of Cubasis (iOS) and MODX is very powerful. Since the MODX has a good (class compliant) audio/MIDI interface, you can send audio/MIDI data to and from the DAW without any perceptible latency. Best of both worlds, using MODX sounds combined with iOS instruments such as Pianoteq (pianos are a weak point of MODX/Montage), the sequencing and even mastering power of a DAW....and no mouse-clicking required.
However, I recently upgraded from MODX8 to Montage (classic) 8, because I didn't really enjoy playing on the MODX8 keybed. I miss the "Rhythm Pattern" button, but I like having 8 buttons for switching the scenes.
That’s what I’m talking about! You playing it ! Other videos I watch they always play out of space music and I don’t get the chance to hear the sounds , that’s how you do it Bro, thank you for this video I been looking for someone to really play it and you it. Thank you! God Bless
As someone who was looking for a keyboard for years as mostly a bass player, the modx is EASILY the best value for your buck. It really deserves all the sales its been getting. It soars on a live stage or just playing around solo.
It is a great value
I appreciated this video, it is clear, accurate, and the comparisons with other keyboards are appropriate. I bought a Fantom as I simply couldn't get past the bad feel of the MODX key bed. I don't have any problems with the 'dated' Fantom (or FA) sounds, nor I think do folks out in the audience really care. It's really more of a 'producer-y' complain. A teensy tweak of a knob is enough to change an old sound into a brand new one.
You can control live sets by foot as well (a pedal into "assignable") :) Super useful
Nice video, couldn't agree more!
I didnt even used to consider the Yamahas fir synths, was looking at korgs and rolands, now i realise this is the balance between to two👍
Totally agree. I love my MODX, and I use it for EVERYTHING. My other synths get used on and off depending on what I'm working on, but my MODX is the workhorse that I use for everything.
You should mention the hundreds of drum sounds in it - they are very high quality, and include a complete TR-808 and TR-909 sample set. Also, if it doesn't have a sound that you want - you can likely find it, or record it yourself and load it into it. I do wish that it had the eight scene buttons sliders and poly aftertouch keybed that the Montage has...but not enough to spend an extra $2000 for a Montage. :)
If I could afford a Montage and a Kronos I'd have both.
You can get a poly aftertouch keyboard for a lot less than the difference between the Montage and the MODX.
I'm using an SY85 to control mine and it's also given me a load more control over the sequencer.
Absolutely right !!!
No polyphonic aftertouch in Montage keyboards.
Completely agree! Best decision that Yamaha made. They broke the unspoken rule that a mid-range synth cannot be as good as their flagship board. Although it’s not quite a Montage, it’s pretty damn close for a fraction of the price. Of course you can see where they cut costs with components but you get almost exactly the same brain. It has also become the gateway drug to the Montage.
You are right about the gateway drug because I really want the better keybed now lol! Thanks for stopping by my channel again.
Hate that term
LOVE my live sets and performances from narfsounds.com! Thank you, Narf! Now ... back to this excellent video from Darrick!
This is a timely, indepth, thorough musical analysis that allows both novices & experts to understand.
Best keyboard I ever purchased hands down I totally 👍
How cool is it that Yamy has featured a fully blown (and extended) FM synthesis engine? This alone almost makes this keyboard worth the admission price.
Well, i'll stick to my older MOXF and added a Korg opsix ! Thats an "altered" FM beast and it loads DX7 patches :-))
A rack-mount version would be a great add-on to use with a more formidable flagship workstation like Kronos, Montage, Fantom or Nord‼️
So true. The keybed was the only thing which attracted criticism really. I would’ve bought a module version of this in a heartbeat. The sound module market just must be dead nowadays.
With the new update the sequencer makes this a killer workstation now, and not forgetting the ability to load your own samples and have them stored on flash memory too!
Well done Yamaha.
Yes the constant upgrades is putting this "budget" keyboard way ahead of its peers.
The cheap keybed is what made me buy a used Montage 6 instead of a brand new MODX. And I am glad I did!
1000% agree the keyboard is terrible but after you play it long enough you get used to it. I agree to buy a used montage.
Modx is amazing keyboard. I'm not missing the montage. Don't dis my keyboard. Montage is over weight over priced keyboard.
good move its way better
Jimmy Jenkinson that is understandable, Cheap keybeds are a non starter. Some dont like the Nord keybeds but when I have played the stage at Guitar center i just love it
Great review, it helped me with my purchase decision! Best bang for buck workstation well said!
I recently bought this keyboard, with which I allowed too many years go by with the technology changing so much, which was a big jump from the Yamaha 9000 pro. In your reference to the keybed, I have to say you are absolutely right. The 9000 pro, IMO, is a great keybed to use in comparison to this one. Disappointing yes, but it fitted my budget at the time. Thank you for your informative video Darrick.
Thank you for watching! I appreciate it!
The Best selling synth right now it’s crazy!!! I got so mad when it got released when I got the Montage 8 but hey it’s worth it props to Yamaha. Now they’ve got a new update OS V2.5 for the MODX and OS V3.5 for the Montage check it out! It has a new feature.
Indeed! I have seen the new update features looks pretty cool for sure. Even the 2.0 update which I installed was a game changer. Technically it took it from a performance synth to a workstation. Thanks for taking the time to comment! I appreciate it.
@@darrickkeels6387 yes, definitely download the version 2.5 update for your MODX. You will not be disappointed. The new morphing feature alone is worth the download.
I think The MODx only has 8 MIDI channel outs. I haven't bought a new keyboard in over 20 years so recently picked up myself a Yamaha MODX8 and just love the sounds. I pair this with my EMU Vintage keys module and my Elektron Digitone Keys. I love FM synthesis. The Emu allows me the opportunity to have Moog and Oberheim samples. On my next summer vacation Ill sample everything into the Yamaha
I was just watching this review again, which is an excellent review.
Totally agree with Darrick's points. There is no dispute about if the Montage (more than double the price) has a better keybed than the MODX, but when comparing it to other keybeds, I've found many to be a lot worse than the MODX. Even some that were also more than $1000 like the MODX.
I've had my MODX6 two and a half years now. I basically switched from a Korg premium keybed. I really don't think the MODX6 keybed has affected my playing much vs the premium keybed that was my main keybed previously. I think saying it's the same as a $100 toy keyboard is a stretch. Otherwise I agree 100% with Darrick's comments. You might be able to find a $100 keyboard with as good a keybed, but most won't be. There are still new model boards aimed that the semi-professional market that have a much worse keybed than the MODX. Korg has the Triton LE in the earlier 2000s. It's keybed felt truly horrible, and the keys literally flexed and felt like they were gonna snap off. It sold for similar money as the MODX. Yet I didn't hear many complaining about the awful keybed in it, but the reviewers should have been. I tried a couple other current model synths with much worse keybeds than the MODX, and they were a lot more than $100.
Darrick makes a great point that the included MODX sounds are often better than both the Korg Kronos & the Roland FA's, probably the two biggest competitors when the MODX first came out. Wither you prefer Montage sounds (MODX) or Kronos sounds is personal preference. Both are very powerful modern synth engines. But one thing is clear, and why I love the MODX. The MODX is by far, the most powerful synthesizer keyboard that is both affordable and very light weight. Korg does not offer a competitor to the MODX. Their new Nautilus is neither a much lighter weight alternative to the Kronos, nor nearly as affordable as the MODX. So the MODX is the clear winner on so many levels. The Roland FA at the time the MODX came out, was Roland's competitor in a light weight synth, but it's technology is much older than the MODX. Their new Fantom surely would compete with power, but not price or weight. Both very important factors to many gigging musicians like me. Both the MODX & Kronos have tons of sound collections made for them. Since the MODX is compatible with the Montage, MOTIF series, DX7, TX816 & TX802, I would not be surprised if more sound collections exist in a format compatible with the MODX than the Kronos. Either way, you won't be short on the number of sound collections you can choose from to add.
I watched parts of this video again to refresh my memory. I went to a local dealer and was able to compare the MODX next to the new Fantom 07/08.
I must confess I was disappointed with the MODX keybed. It is not horrible, but my PSR-SX900 keybed is IMHO better than the MODX; the Fantom 08 is weighted so no comparison, but the Fantom 07 feels much better than the MODX.
Derrick's review of the Fantom 0 Series is spot on that the Fantom 0 is a better choice than the MODX overall. The user interface is also a little easier for me than the MODX; I realize it is all subjective, but that keybed would be a problem for me.
@@luisphoto3 I've checked out the Fantom 0, and feel the MODX much better serves my needs, and is still king when it comes to value. Not that the Fantom 0 isn't good too.
It largely comes down to the sounds. Do you play rock or synth pop? Do you use sampled sounds?
Read my comments on Derrick's post about the Fantom 0 vs the MODX for more details.
@@luisphoto3 As you mentioned, it is subjective.
My main task in most of my bands has been a lead player. Lead synthesizer & lead organ solos. I prefer the lighter action of my MODX6 than I do the action of the Fantom 06 or 07. I do play piano on it too, and have plenty of other keybed in my other keyboards If I want to MIDI to them or use them. Although for piano I'd agree the Fantom 0 keybed would be better action for piano, I still prefer the piano sounds on the MODX. The MODX6/7 keybed is light action, but not so light that it's no good like some kebeds I have tried where there is next to zero resistance. Overall I have no complaints at all with the MODX6 keybed, and my main keybed I previously used for many years was a Korg with a premium 61 keybed. I also have a Roland with a premium 76 keybed. I'm not wild about the Roland action on their keybeds, though I don't have any real gripes about it either.
The action on a keybed really depends on the kind of material you play on it.
Although I've only spent an hour with a Fantom 0 so far (but have spent much time listening to it's sounds via Roland VST's which are largely identical, or online videos), so far I prefer the user interface of the user interface of the MODX.
Both the MODX and the Montage have the same "large" touch screen with large touch screen user interface. I really love it! Much better than most other keyboards for navigating. A larger screen is easier to see (especially when your wearing contacts), and a larger screen is much easier to press with your fingers. I found the Fantom 0 much more confusing to sort through it's various sounds, and I've found other people who own both keyboards later saying exactly the same thing. It is much easier to sort sounds via the touch screen (especially considering it's a larger touch screen) than it is to use the category buttons on the Fantom 0. I'm able to find an audition sounds much easier on the MODX.
There is nothing "easy", intuitive or obvious about the operation of the Fantom 0 when you have to press the Zone button & then the "2" button under the release knob to enter B3 mode to find the B3 sounds, besides the terrible Zen-Core organ sounds I found when I pressed the organ category button. What is easy or obvious about that? And so much for everything runs in one mode. It doesn't.
There are a number of reasons why I prefer the MODX to the Fantom 0. Instead of re-typing or copying my long thread about the topic here, please click on Darrick's other video comparing the Fantom 0 to the MODX. While I highly respect Darrick's comments as he really knows his stuff, andd so do I. We're both been into synths for decades and own a number of keyboards from Korg, Roland, Yamaha and others. I simply present an alternative point of view about the Fantom 0, and how the MODX better fits my own needs and likely a lot of other people too. I still think the Fantom 0 is a great keyboard, and I'd have absolutely no problem recommending one to people if I feel it best fits their needs, which it will for some people.
I think the easiest way to sum it up is, if you play in 80s/70s rock cover bands as I do, I feel the MODX is the better keyboard for the majority of users. If you play synth pop, electronica, techno or house music, the Fantom 0 is probably the better keyboard for that kind of music. But I hope the Fantom 0 does well, and a bunch of sound collections eventually are made for it as I can load most of them into my VST's and would still benefit.
Your so great at reviews you should be sponsored and hired by these companies
very good review!! you made a good job :-)!! i love the modx 😊👍
Sir Darrick 💯 you hit the🎯 on the Roland sounds vs Yamaha MODX (Dated vs Modern) 🙏😎. Your knowledge of your gear( technically) is astonishing!. I thought the keybed was cheesy. Thanks again😎
Thank you! I appreciate it!
Its exactly what I have been saying for years .. Roland makes some excellent instruments, no doubt, but it really bothers me that in those 1100 or so sounds of their sound source , like he points out here half of the sounds is so well known in your mind because they havn't been updated since the first U-110 module and JV and D-70 wich the latter I used for several years back in the 90'ies some of these sounds are not 20 but almost 30 years old now
Nice. I learned a lot! You touched on the Roland FA's dated digital PCM sounds from 20 years ago. I wholeheartedly agree; however, if you reach back an additional 15-20 years, you'll find the Roland classic synths and drum machines that changed popular music forever and that modern electronic musicians still love and use. The FA is flush with these sounds. It's a veritable "Roland's Greatest Hits" package and great value when you consider what having all those individual classic Roland synths (or boutiques) would cost. Well worth considering for electronic musicians. Of course, Yamaha has a grand legacy of its own with FM synthesis and the MODX can't be beaten for getting that 80s specific sound when it some to synths. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for the compliment! I appreciate it.
Thanks for posting.
Agree, the best value for the money on the MODX. The MODX is very editable; if you really spend the time with tailoring the sounds like the way you prefer, you can get the most out of it compared to other workstations on the market (for the price). The weakest part are the organs and the keyboard action. The organs are not a modeled; however, if you spend the time tweaking them, you will find a useful organ. The keyboard action is weak but I use the MODX as a top board and assign sounds via midi it to a nice feeling controller. Really happy with the MODX as a live setup. It just not my preference to use VSTs and laptops and cable and power adapters all over the place...
I have the exact set up. They compliment each other nicely. I love the MODX8 as a stand alone as well. Some don't like the pianos, but honestly they sound fine to me. I play Jazz/Fusion/Latin and Top 40 and it plays well in all of those genres. For the money you can't beat it. And not to mention it isn't even near as hard to move as my KRONOS which I love but it kills my back! :) Thank for the Vid! Great Job!
Michael Diaz Yeah same the Pianos are not that good I contacted Yamaha about it
Thank you for watching!
Why buy Montage when you get its cousin for a lot less. I am so in love with my MODX6 it gives me what ever montage offers.
Besides better build quality and more options, more parts, endless rotary knobs, more sample storage, for me the keybed is an absolute no go. I even wonder how people can play on this cheapo feeling keys. I want to enjoy when playing my keyboards instead of feeling like an operator who operates the keyboard and presses the keys. The keybed difference between the Montage 6/7 and MoDx respectively is like playing electronig drums from the early nineties versus the real ones. This of course applies to all low class keyboards from other companies too (Korg Chrome, Roland Fa 06, and so on).
Good job Darrick. Just ordered mine.
I picked one up second hand for less than half price, with nice case, instructions and PS. . I began to enjoy this instrument straight away. Ideas for creating tracks were instant and exciting. This is my first Yamaha synth and it seems to be light years ahead of anything else i have tried so far. Entertainment wise, 10 out of 10.It is a keeper for now. .
It's a really nice keyboard and especially great at half price!
Ok, I had a Ensoniq VFXSD for years. I moved to a Korg Karma when it came out. About 22 years later got the Yamaha MODX 6. I love it, it's great. I would like to be able to audition sounds on the latest track while the sequence is playing. Now I want a Korg Wavestate or a Hydrasynth and maybe a Akai Mpc
My keyboard was so old when I pressed a key a bird came out and tweeted the note. Cost me a fortune in seed.
The Yamaha modx is so much better and cleaner.
Thanks Darrick.
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Another Great! & unbiased opinion. Now that gigs are lockdown I will have the time to reprogram all the cover sounds, but first need your input choosing between MODX7 & Korg Nautilus 7. Cyber week is still on the horizon in getting 20% off. Thank you
Thanks for this review, I actually just placed a bid on eBay for a used one. About the keybed, I actually like the keybed on the MODX6, its a lot better than my IK iRig Keys MiDi controller that I currently have. Thanks again.
In term of factory preset sounds, the MODX/Montage beats them all it's so versatile.
I tend to agree. I like the preset sounds on my MODX more than my other keyboards
Is this better than the older moxf?
great review i just mine and still learning it.....
It takes awhile to learn. But once you understand Yamaha's way of thinking it becomes easier.
Is the Yamaha MODX the Ultimate Value Synth? Most definitely yes!
I have the MODX8. It's capabilities are amazing. The potential for music and sound creativity is limitless!
Yamaha should be giving you a commission. You just sold another one. Great Video 🙏
I wish they were. Congratulations on your purchase BTW.
Cool overview!! My opinion is exactly the same. I still haven't bought one of them (MODX or Montage 6) because it's a hard decision since I currently have a MoXF 6. I hate the MODX keybed and I don't like how the MODX looks (= pretty cheap and simple). But my biggest argument against the Montage is the weight... I don't want to carry this! So I still have to think about it :)
I completely understand.😂😂😂
I am exactly in the same situation and I don't understand why Yamaha does not release a Rack version, would make everybody happy.
Didnt recognize the problem with the keybed, bc I got the MODX8 which has the weighted hammer action. Love my MODX a lot. It's my favorite board!
It's not a "problem." Sounds and keybeds are a matter of taste and preference. Nothing more than an opinion. It is an awesome board and I use it live all the time
man looks good, I need sounds and to make em twist my way
Yeah, I was pissed because I was set on the RD 2000. Went into the store and played the MODX and was pissed ! Ordered the MODX8 . Your demo was excellent.
17:42: I believe you can actually expand on the faders and knobs with a MIDI control surface like Korg nanocontrol 2 and connect it via the USB to the MODX. Would that be an option for you?
MODX is a real good steal, considering it is the only one that one can get with modern features. I wonder what the future looks like for the other companies.
I loved the brass bro!Awesome!
I got both Roland FA-6 and MoDX, the sounds are different obviously but I dont find that "old sounds" are bad sounds . . .Many of the XV/JV sounds from Roland has been studio standards for years, but they are really good. Many of the other sounds of the FA are new ones, and is not dated in my opinion, and sound crisp, natural and nice. . ..I like both synths, I just got my MODX, and adore it . . .but that not make the typical synthsounds of XV/JV/XP bad. . those are still good
I didn't say the FA's sounds were "bad." There are of course classic sounds that never go out of style. This is especially true in the "synth" department. But if I am looking for realistic brass, woodwinds, strings, basses, guitars, drums, pianos, EPs, organs etc, those tiny samples simply do not hold enough information to sound realistic by today's standards. All companies recycle sounds but I think Roland takes it too far. I have all of the JV/XV sounds in my Fantom, MC-707, FA08 and RD2000. They have all of the old expansions available and they keep coming out with remakes of sound libraries from the Juno 106, Jupiter 8, SH101, etc. I get it they are classic synths. But when they came out they were innovative, cutting edge and shaped whole genres. It would be nice to see them push the envelope again. I feel there are more sounds, effects, and control capabilities in the Yamaha that push the envelope more than the FA.
The Fantom O series is out now, and is the new value leader in my opinion. User sampling, 256 poly, 2gb storage, full tonewheel engine, USB stereo all 16 parts, VA model expansions available, decked-out control surface. I do have the MODX and like it for the FM sounds and ambient pads.
Yup the Fantom-0 is now the way to go in my opinion.
@@darrickkeels6387 How about Fantom-0 vs MODX8 ?
Nice review, love the freestyle playing.
I have the MODX7 and find the keybed good to use (perhaps they have updated it?). The only criticism would be each key has too much sideways slack but something you get used to.
Some sounds, as with all boards, are a little bit thin, but layering/changing can add immense depth. Best thing about this board is the dynamic depth, giving great expression. Knocks my Krome out of the park.
Interesting point, the keybed of my MOXF6 feels pretty sturdy in terms of sideways movement. I wonder, if both boards have the same keybed.
Although I shy away from workstation keyboards but I do like the modx however the keybed is not awesome. But for the price they had to cut costs somewhere and for the price its an amazing deal
Yeah, the keybed lets it down a bit..
I play mine using an old SY85 for the most part.
I assume you are not talking about the keybed of the MODX8 as it has a graded hammer action?
@@yannic2248 The MODX8 bed is really nice, and even more so if you play piano. The 6 and 7 beds feel very cheap and are a bit too well sprung for the light weight of the keys.
They could probably be fixed with some counterweights, but it's a lot of messing around.
Great FM sounds, loads of decent drums, great performance tools and realtime controls that feel great.. Easy to see why people love them.
I really like mine, but the "sequencer" still has me puzzled after quite a long time.
I'm old skool so I much prefer linear like the SY or EX Yam's.
Good review. My personal choice was for the Roland Fantom, but there is no doubt that the MODX is an incredible value!
Thinner black keys can be good though sometimes so you don't take down 3 keys accidentally when trying to hit the white key between
(my ensoniq TS12 has black keys that're too close together and it really slows you down
I'm buying a modx8 for the better keyboard, I figured that it was cheaper than buying a 7 or a 6 and getting another full-sized keyboard. And the upgrade adds a whole sequencer!
Keep in mind that you could get an 88 key MIDI controller that has aftertouch, which is something none of the MODX keybeds include. And on the used market, it might actually be cheaper to buy a MODX6 and an 88 key MIDI controller. However, aftertouch has not been well supported by the Montage sound collections or in modern keyboards in general unlike the old days.
@@n8goulet True, but I do have a Novation Bass Station 2 so at a pinch I could do a lead line with aftertouch on that if I was desperate for aftertouch. My modx8 (which I now have!) is so chock-full of other features its not something I'm going to miss.
I use my MODX6 as both a top board and a sound module. I have a Casio PX 350 88 key on the bottom (only weighs 24lb and has a decent key bed) and use a midi router to route its midi output to ch 9-16. When I setup a program, I can make layers, splits etc for each scene on ch 9-16 for the lower weighted keyboard and ch 1-8 play from the MODX keyboard. Often I just have ch 9 set to the S700 piano or the single channel CFX. But I can layer pads etc. The downside is much less effects on the upper bank of channels. I can switch programs in the midi router to use 5- 8 as well if for some reason I need more inserts on the weighted keyboard but then I only have 4 channels for the upper board.
Bro awesome review make sure you that Rhodes affair 2 upgrade in that board you won’t regret it
Excellent review.
Hey everyone, Ian here.
I was the same as Robert Gianchino, only with the PSR 7000, using the 16 track to the max and creating some great compositions as a home studio.
Can you do the same with the MoDX, and record single instruments as a home studio work station and create a full band, or is this more for LIVE performances ?
Exactly my thoughts ... great video ... !
Thank you. I appreciate the compliment.
Using a MODX6 with an SY85 and it's a glorious combo.
Holy cow, you still have a SY85? That was the first synthesizer I owned, back in 1993. Sold it when I got a Triton Extreme (and sampled my favorite SY85 voices for nostalgia).
@@janosKern1 I have 2.. 😜
Wery god and useful presentation. Thak's a lot.🙂
There’s also a converter online that lets you convert .Sysex/Syx (DX-7) files so that you can use it on the modx and montage
Value wise, yes its a great value.
For me MODX is the only digital synth worth owning. FMX alone is pure gold.
Hello everyone. I would like an honest opinion from fellow keyboard players out there. I have done my research and I definitely want the sounds from the modx. But.. I know the keybeds from me reading reviews are not so good. So I have an idea.. how about having the modx6 on top, and as my main piano on the bottom, the studiologic sl88 grand keyboard controller. From my personal opinion, I think it’s a pretty good idea! The great sounds from the modx plus Keyboard action on top and my sl88 grand for my main pianos and e pianos etc, what y’all think? Doing this for church performances
Great review 👍
Have been using a Triton Extreme 61 as a top board for nearly twenty years. Looking for a lighter, more portable board and the MODX 6 could be the answer.
It’s just the keybed though. Have tried the MODX 7 and the keys I thought were light but fast. Could get used to them but the Yamaha FS action on the Triton takes some beating.
Yes. The MODX7 has the same keybed as the MODX6. I have gotten used to it...for the most part.
thank you for your honest opinion. and may I know which model do you recommend?
Thanks a lot for great review. I just ordered a MODX 7, and I guess I will have it by monday. But I also have 2 Motif (7 and 8), - great keys and great response. I love Yamaha. I hope there is old-school MIDI on the MODX?
There is the old school standard 5-pin din MIDI connectors on the back. Congratulations on your purchase!
Hi Great video. I bought in last July and would like to buy others synth to my gear, but many times realizing MODX can be programmed to get the sounds which are GREAT, and kept my money. You pointed out most of the sounds are dated, but it is to say we can load lot of new samples, and either by Soundmondo or Yamaha with new releases, free, or from Easysounds by pay, you can completely renew your sound library.
I believe you misunderstood me. I said the sounds in the FA series of workstation by Roland are dated.
@@darrickkeels6387 Yes! really sorry about confusion. Another question raised to me is I can not hear the sound module when playing a midi tracks from Garage Band, have you experienced this ? is it normal, even if I am able to use USB audio and record one midi track with the MODX into GarageBand that I can play to any vst but MODX connect ! Thanks and congrats for your videos
Really great review Yamaha should send you a free key board
Just Awesome Sound❤❤❤
Brother should we buy the MODX compromising with the bad quality of keys whereas the keys play the greatest role in playing a good music . plz guide.
DX sounds generation is 37 years old
AWM .. had that in my SY77 which came out in 1989 - 31 years ago...
but okay yeah yamaha is awm 2.... so 19 years ago yamaha motif...2001
and montage came out 2016 so 4 years back
"new" ... right :)
The AWM2 sound engine simply refers to the process of sample playback and digital filtering that Yamaha uses. It is more of a broad "umbrella" term. There have been many advances in the sound engine in the past 20-30 years. Hence a Montage sounds lightyears better than an SY77. Samples are much larger now and can contain so much more detail. The Motif Classic had a ROM size of 84MB. The Motif XF 741MB. The MODX contains 5.67GB of samples. Yeah...they all fall under the category of AWM2 but they are not the same.
I read somewhere that the factory preset sounds are voiced (EQed, effects,...) differently on MODX and Montage. Supposedly to make Montage sound better. Is that true?
Hi Darrick, which one of these boards do you think would make a good midi controller. I have been using a Roland FA08 and had a Roland Jupiter 80. I’d rather that they have their own sound library so I can compose without having to load a sound in DAW.. but some of these have weighted key which is good for piano but bad when you need to input drums.. the dedicated midi keyboards on the market feel a bit too flimsy and cheap… watched a couple of your reviews and wonder how you think of it.
I would use a Montage personally if I were to use a keyboard with on board sounds as a MIDI controller. The Roland Fantom would also be a good choice due to excellent DAW integration.
Thanks for the video. The key bed made this a no for me. To me that's the most important thing especially for the price point.
THIS IS A GREAT VIDEO !!!!!!!
Thank you for watching
A+++ /on the video/I have a Krome ex88 and a modx7 but sending the modx7 back and getting a modx8 better key-bed
Great review can you go over using the the patterns/arps , super knobs uses,etc, and sounds like Saxes, Trumpets , Brass, too?
It will be my next video more than likely
Thank you I play a lot of 50s, 60s,70s music...and as an alternative to playing an arranger KB like Yamaha SX900 etc, I thought I would try to migrate to a synth, workstation etc like the Modx using the arps/patterns? thoughts? also is the key bed better on the MODx7?
I really don't agree with you, that it sounds better than Kronos. I have both, Kronos 88 and MODX 7, and pianos, organs, Leslies and strings etc. sounds far better at Kronos in my opinion. So why do I then have a MODX? Well, the weigthed keys on Kronos are great, but when playing a solo or something that has to go fast, it's a lot easier at MODX with semi weighted keys and the keys have a more finger friendly shape at the edges. Making a glissando at Kronos almost rip off the skin of your fingers, but I agree with you, that the keybed could have been much better. Thanks for the video.
Yeah sounds are a matter of taste and personal preference. I personally like most of the acoustic sounds better on the Yamaha than the Kronos. But the organs are by far better on the Kronos to me. The dedicated sound engine simply provides features unavailable on the MODX etc. Overall they both sound great hence I own both lol!
I own Motif XF8, I’m debating on Replacing it with Montage8 OR keeping it and getting MODX61 to compliment it. Hard to decide
I would definitely play the MODX before buying one to make sure the build quality and Keynes are okay for you
Hi Darrick: I love the review and the honestly -- too many people just say how great everything is..so I thought I would toss you a comment. I heard someone review that the 76 was better than the 88. I was looking at the 88 to practice piano skills and have a legitimate tool for my daughters to start on.
If the goal is for your daughters to learn how to play piano, I think the 88 is the best option. This will help them develop their finger strength. The MODX7 has the exact same keybed as the MODX6. The only difference is actually the amount of keys.
I honestly wish Yamaha MODX had a lighted keyboard as the EZ220!!! I realize it is not a beginners keyboard but still it would be a great thing. Professionals or those that don't need lighted keys could always turn it off.
Darrick, this is a great review. I purchased an FA 07, last year, and it was a choice between the FA and the MODX 7. I knew the MODX was the more modern, more heavily featured synth, and that it had the Montage engine. Really, I should have purchased the Yamaha. But, the keybed was what persuaded me to go for the FA 07. The 07 on the Roland is a better keybed than on the 06, which is almost as awful as the MODX's. The MODX feels flat and unresponsive. I totally agree with your comments. It's a shame, because in every other way, it beats the Roland. I just couldn't imagine enjoying playing on the MODX. Recently, I tried the new Roland Fantom, which has an excellent keybed, on both the 61 and 76 synth action versions, and the 88, fully weighted keybed, taken from the Roland RD2000. When you play the Fantom 7 or 6, you cannot hear the click of the keys, even when playing silently. And the bounce on the board is beautiful. The only problem is the massive cost, putting it into the Montage price bracket. Have you tried the Fantom?
Yes, I have played the Fantom 6 and 8. Roland did a great job on those keybeds and hardware in general. . But what I found is once I got past the few shiny new sounds the others were dated sounding. Lots of sounds from their 90's keyboards and sound modules. In fact amongst Fantom owners on their forums it's probably the number 1 complaint. And the amount of insert effects is lacking, so making rich sounding sequences would be a major challenge for me. However, I have my eye on it as they continue to make updates.
@@darrickkeels6387 thanks for the heads up. I will bare that in mind. To be fair, there are some great VST plugins out there at the moment, with some super sounds. In fact, I think some of the big synth manufacturers might be accused of resting on their laurels, and trading on their name. If I were buying a keyboard now, after weighing up all the information, I might go for a good quality midi controller, like a Native Instruments, and surf the net for plugins. Arturia have produced some great ones. I have recently downloaded a demo of the Oberheim XA. It's really good.
@@darrickkeels6387 Hi. Just to let you know, I have just placed a deposit on, with the view to collecting it next weekend, a MODX 8. I was going to purchase a hard core synthesizer, but I went for the 8 instead. When I consider that this is practically a £3000 keyboard (except for a few details) for less than £1300, it just had to be done. I would like to thank you for putting me on the road to this decision. So if it goes wrong, it's all on you 😆Just kidding, my friend. All the best to you.
Great Video Darrick!!👌🏼
I got a MODX8 earlier this year and it's a valuable investment for that price range. It's an efficient workstation that delivers diverse and intelligent sound design capabilities alongside an extensive sound library (particularly in the synth categories). However, I'm a bit disappointed with a few features about the MODX8
1. The sound breaks during my live performance when I combine multiple sound patches and effects.
2. There seems to be significant latency when navigating the system's interface via the touch screen and this creates noticeable lag.
3. Sound trasitions when switching between scenes is not seamless and can be very rough and pronounced.
I've been very attracted to the highly acclaimed KRONOS lately as I believe it will have the raw power and sophistication that suits my needs.
Although I'm still kinda holding on a bit to see whether KORG releases a newer flagship (Kronos 3 maybe) that has upgraded features with a more modern user interface and experience.
I hope I wouldnt be disappointed
Thank you for the compliment! I like making videos like this. I have found that I am more prone to running into polyphony issues with the MODX than I am on the Korg Kronos, or even the Nord Stage 3. If I am only playing the MODX,the when using layers I try to only use "single part" sounds in the MODX. This helps to preserve polyphony. Many of the "multi part" sounds really seem to be designed to use alone. Also whenever it makes sense to use an FM sound as opposed to a AWM-2 sound I will do so thus taking advantage of both sound engines. The FM engine has its own 64 voices. But ultimately I am normally pairing the MODX with another keyboard of mine. In a live setting polyphony is not an issue because the MODX is handling auxiliary sounds (horns, strings, synth bass, flute, synth lead etc). I like the operating system of the MODX a lot better than the Kronos. But if I am running a one keyboard set up, I normally use the Kronos, it's just more powerful.
@@darrickkeels6387 short note i also have a kronos and from what i can tell from looking at the modx, i dont own one as yet but am considering buying one, to me the kronos operating system is far easyer then the modx ? cheers
sold my Kronos it doesnt sound that great to me sounds a bit sterile the 4gb piano is like well frankly i can get better piano for what i want out of a cheaper board. i hated the 2 minute plus bootup time and once a month even with a quality ups id get a crash. As far as keybeds goes yes its a bit better i had the 76. Then again I have a casio PX5S which is light but a lovely 88 hammer action on it I use it to control the rig basically. Unless im going for a break my finger slides on organ sounds
I’m so back and forth about this keyboard. Over a year ago when I was looking for a keyboard I wouldn’t buy because I didn’t like the skinny keys. I’m wondering if the 76 keys are the same. When I see a keyboard that looks like what I want it’s always missing something or priced too high for my budget but I know that’s the business. 😃
The keys on the 76 are the same as the keys on the 61. The only difference is the amount of keys. The only keyboard with a different key action in the line is the MODX8.
@@darrickkeels6387
Thanks. Maybe it will be different the next time I check it out at the store.
great review Derrick!
sorry Darrick - I need new reading glasses
@@fergusfurlong Thank you. I appreciate it. So funny I almost decided not to upload it. I am glad I did.
@@darrickkeels6387 I'm glad and appreciate that you did
Great review; you're a wicked keyboardist too. I think you just sold me on the MODX :)
Just ordered mine the odx+7
How does this compare to the mofx6 keybed..anyone knows..trying to decide between this and the moxf6...moxf having the sounds from the motif XF
i just got mine, and i can already say, its the best synth i have had so far, my only "complaint" is how deep one must dive in the menus, just to split the keyboard! (compared to some other boards) maybe i am doing it wrong...-- and i agree, the keybed is not the best, but all in all, its a keyboard WELL worth its money, greetings, Levi in sweden
You can actually do a split without diving into menus. The key rang is displayed on the Performance (Home) screen. I showed the long way of doing it in this video.
@@darrickkeels6387 thanks - i will look into it!
@@darrickkeels6387 i got it now... i "went over the creek for water" so to say!
only thing, i cannot find anywhere how to delete a performance? - only how to overwrite the old one, thanks, Levi
Excellent review. Do you use the MODX keyboard when you play it if the keybed is that bad?
I did indeed use it but often times I had it connected to another keyboard if I was playing piano and EP sounds. However, nowadays I rarely use it live. I use Montage instead. Yes the MODX is lighter but I'd rather just take one keyboard than two just because the keybed is of poor quality. I am on the verge of selling it honestly.
I've been playing live with my MODX7 for well over a year, and honestly still don't feel "bonded" with mine. I think it's the wall wart and super-light keybed and plastic toy feel. But those things can certainly be an advantage live. I have a Kurzweil Forte 7 that is built like a tank, just feels premium, but that comes with weight and cost. (Together this is my current live rig) I immediately bought a backup wall wart that lives in my backup gear case, something I always recommend for live players that have gear with wall warts! :)
One area I kind of discounted early on was the "analog" style sounds. I'm finding though that it was more the lousy patches than anything else--now that I've gotten in there and rolled some from scratch they really don't sound bad at all. Are they going to sound quite as rich and punchy and "fat" as a Prophet V or Obie? No, but in a live cover band setting like mine it is sounding just fine. Again the stock patches lean toward the thin and perhaps "modern" side, and they also tend to have too much fx for my own live preferences.
The biggest value I've gotten out of my MODX, and the reason it stayed in my rig despite my underappreciation---being able to very easily incorporate an ipad (or iphone). Audio and midi on one cable. The MODX allows you to specify zones that send on particular midi channels, with local off (or on). You can even have splits and layers between the external IOS and internal patches. Specifically I use B-3X for hammond organ, which is quite simply the best-sounding b3 I've played that isn't a real b3. Then includes a Nord Electro, Roland vr700 and some software organs. If my MODX was doing nothing but acting as a controller for B-3X it would be doing good work! But again I'm starting to wake up to just how good thing thing really is in all areas (other than maybe it's own internal b3 organ!) I have other great sounding IOS synths (Moog model 15, model D, Zeeon) but my mind is rapidly changing on how good the internal synth can sound.
question do you need a very special UsB key to synthesize I have the same synth how they do what they do sounds that join songs from varieties like Bon Jovi for example or Toto Jean-Michel Jarre have- they a software with thanks
A good sound is always a good sound! Sometimes it's like the wine ...the older the better. So what problem if the samples are taken from the older Motif series and the Motif series itself contains older samples from the older EX series and the other yamaha synths etc etc.. I think Yamaha samples can sound too clean or processed sometimes, but they sit nice in a production of any genre and style. They sound good in a live context too if you know how to choose the correct sounds in a situation . It's up to the composer/arranger to choose the correct sounds for a project! The MODX is a wonderful, complete instrument with many sounds and possibilities to accomplish your musical concerns! In this price range it's the best allrounder Synth/Workstation (IMHO) (incl. the firmware upgrades)... so i agree it's the Ultimate Value Synth !!
Regarding Yamaha's clean sounds, yes I mostly agree. The good thing is, it is so easy to dirty up a sound if needed - some overdrive, distortion, treble roll-off etc. Fun times!
Dang ! I thought the same thing, like the keys feel cheap but for $600 more you can get the heavy hammer keys that feel better made and probably last longer... maybe just have a full 88 heavy key midi control out of it will fix that ?
Yes the MODX8 does feel better. That's an option for some people who don't mind the size and a weighted keybed. But for keyboard players that want a lighter action and smaller footprint this may not be an option. So trying the keyboard is a must. Many people can live with it or don't really find it to be all that bad.
There is one in Craigslist for $1250 I can’t call because I’ve played the MODX7 but made the mistake of playing the MODX8 -your right-the key bed can reduce the happy. However the 8 can produce the sad when it lightens your wallet 🤨
What about the audio output resolution? The fact that it is a 44khz output does not bother you? I tested the 88 keys version, the keybed is really nice...but the output is a problem for me because I always record in 24bit/48khz resolution
No it doesn't because I only use it for live play personally.
Awesome video, thanks. I'm seriously considering either an MODX6 plus a nice new DP (P-515 or RD-88) rather than just another new stage piano (CP-88 or RD-2000). I've always had stage pianos (currently an MP7) and never had a two-tier setup before, but it feels like this would be more flexible. Are there any downsides to purely driving this with a separate DP's keyboard? Will the patches respond even better to a good quality keybed via MIDI? Often I'll be playing somewhere that already has a decent digital piano, so the thought of just having to bring a MODX6 and hook up with MIDI cables, and leaving the 'piano' at home is really tempting. Cheers!
always find the keyboard feel them connect sounds either internal or external. make sure the keyboard has the level of control you want. ootherwise you wind up with boxes all over the place. i suggest you start by using the digital piano available at the venue, take a korg nanocontrol2 and rack modules for synth or other sounds. then decide what you wish you had to make your workflow easier for you.
Nice video, which one is this, I am a synth player, but when I tried the modx6, 7 and 8 I felt like I'd pay the extra for the modx 8 as the keybed felt much more inspiring, I don't recall it feeling that much different than the kronos (the fa-08 felt very heavy keys) , am I crazy? the modx 6 keybed was average but if you have ever played a microkorg or mininova you will know bad toy keys
Yes my FA08 keys are very heavy and a bit sluggish too. Not unplayable by any means though
Can you suggest an affordable Speaker to get the output sound?
I had a Kronos 73 when it first came out and the keybed on that was terrible, after using a Triton which was much better . The last good kbd from Korg was on the Z1 and the Prophecy.