As a longstanding fan from the UK, I love this stuff. Makes one feel a bit saddened though and reminds me of something my Mum used to say "you should never meet your heroes" I loved PC as a kid and started playing drums as a result, I love his early style - quite loose and unique - 100,000 years, Deuce, Parasite, Strangeways, She, DRC, GoT, Shock me, Larger than life etc... That's what I want to remember.
Just read this posted on a forum: "Mike Brandvold, he used to run KISSOnline when it first started. Some guy posted a joke about KISS on their official forums and Brandvold reported him to his ISP, the FBI got involved and showed up at his work, and the guy ended up losing his job because of it." Is this true?
Peter Criss story for all of you: went to see Peter Criss play at The Strand in Providence, RI in 1994. It cost 5 dollars and it was half full. Anyways, after the show about ten of us waited outside in December cold by his tour bus to get autographs. Hos manager told us to wait. We waited TWO HOURS! Then, he wouldn't even come out. He had each person come up to the tour bus door and hand whatever the wanted signed to the guy at the door and he would bring it back to Peter.
I was at that show in Columbus, Ga. I remember we were a ways back so I brought my binoculars ... After a minute or so, I said to my buddy, "That's not Peter!" Can't say I was shocked, but I was surprised. Kudos to Paul for being honest with the fans that "Peter's back at the hotel, he's not feeling well, but we got his best friend Ed Kanon on the drums! It was a minor bummer, but I had seen the Atlanta Oct. 1996 show, so it wasn't like I missed out on seeing Peter. Ed says in this interview that it was half-assed, but I disagree. I thought the show went off great. Thanks so much for giving this the inside story on this remarkable episode in KISStory, guys. And especially to Ed for sharing his thoughts
I was at this show too; 5-6 rows back from the stage on Paul's side. Great seats. As soon as the show started, i knew that wasn't Peter back there. The guy's arms were too muscular to belong to Peter! I was definitely bummed out, but not enough to leave. It was a great show. Very cool seeing Paul sing Black Diamond.
I have a few questions for Ed: 1) Did he sing Beth? 2) Did he actually also sing bvs that night? 3) How much did they pay him? Was it normal crew wages, or did they bump his pay up to Peter's salary for that night only? 4) Notwithstanding Doc McGhee's remark about: "You're gonna look pretty stupid tearing down the drums in that makeup," who DID strike the drums that night? Did he do double duty as the tech after the show? 5) Did he do an actual drum solo? (besides the breakdown in 100,000 Years)
I am not out to make any group of fans happy. I am just expressing my opinion, you can like it or not. I honestly don't care if a group of fans will stand for it. It is all just opinion, and you are free to stop listening if you don't agree.
Mike,I have enjoyed ALL of your podcasts....great job!!! I've worked for some big bands and artists and Ed just touched the surface of what goes on!!!I will have to take some to my grave!!! Keep up the great job!
Being as i am a newer Kiss fan, i was recently watching/listening to the show where Ed subs for Peter and i thought he did a great job. It's on here (youtube) if anyone wants to re-live that show (the board mix, like Ed said, but i dig soundboards so..i kinda like it). Great interview btw.
The funny thing about Ace and Peter's book is that they do more to substantiate Gene and Paul's position than Gene and Paul ever have. Ace and Peter were my favorites but I would never do business with either of them. This was a great interview...you have to Ed back on again.
You'd be completely wrong. By 1980, original Kiss had one of the most lucrative recording contracts in the music industry. They could command a 2 million dollar advance per album. By 1988, Kiss was releasing demos with drum machines on self-produced albums because the budgets were smaller due to Kiss no longer being as big as they were in the 1970's. Ed is wrong when he says Kiss "got bigger" after the originals parted ways.
I was at the Columbus, GA show. I remember driving all the way from Savannah, GA with 2 friends, and they started Deuce, and I was looking at the drums thinking, "OH SHIT, DID THEY KICK PETER OUT??!!??"
I wanted to say, I have a copy of the Kiss concert that Ed played on DVD!!! It is called "The Peter Crss Project".....it is the whole show!! Do you have a copy at all?
One question: why do fans treat this loke the JFK conspiracy? Ed was introduced by Paul at the beginning of the show, he told the audience Peter was sick and Ed was filling in, Ed even stood up to take a bow after the introduction. There have been pictures and video of it all over the internet for years. Why this huge expression of shock by people? Leaves me scratching myvhead.
This is just a Skype call that is recorded, we don't separate channels that I am aware of. But, I am speaking with Skype tomorrow to what assistance they can provide.
wow that was mindblowing... congratulations you´re doing such an incredible job, I'll be wainting for the second part... many people after this will be thinking vinnie vincent as a possible guest in the future?? of course if you can find him keep on rockin'
I just keep going back to... you have seen the contracts? Seen the balance sheets? Seen the advances? It is just your opinion and it is really just a valid as Ed's.
Not sure anyone cares about proving you wrong. This isn't a challenge. I completely agree that the other make mistakes... Gene more so than Paul. Gene and Paul weren't the topic of this episode... it was Peter.
I didn't notice if they asked Ed about what the reason was that Peter didn't do the show. I've heard it was because of Peter's arms hurting so bad but I've also heard it was a power play by him to see what they'd do if he didn't show up, but they just went ahead without him. I don't think Peter would really do that though.
Sounds like Peter's bitterness is a contagion. Ed's view of Peter is pretty bleak & a bit bitter. It's like Peter is some kind of unhappiness napalm. Get anywhere near the guy & his cloud of misery will swallow you up. Did Ed say he worked with Peter for a decade(93-03)? I can't imagine working that closely for that long with someone so miserable. The "Don't play my drums." comment is over the top mental & sadly funny all at the same time. It's like telling the valet not to drive your car.
Great show, guys... I just sort of stumbled into them this morning, but only got the chance to listen to Part 1 with Ed just now. Earlier today, I'd been trying to go through the comments and figure out where they started chronologically so I could follow the conversation threads from where they began (particularly the dialogue between Michael and john jones), but I never did manage to figure out where the comments really began. No matter. My hope is that you still read new comments, Michael, since I do see that this video has been up for more than a year now... So, allow me to briefly introduce myself. I am 49, I play drums, and Peter Criss was my 2nd major influence (Ringo was 1st). My first KISS concert was Dynasty, but I basically hated that album for its Disco vibe. Unmasked was released on the day I left for a month-long summer camp session in Colorado, but a local radio station played the whole album the night before, and I taped it and took it with me. I thought it was the best KISS album, but KISS wasn't "cool" anymore after Dynasty, so I told my camp mates that the tape was a friend's band to get them to listen to it, only revealing the truth after getting positive feedback on it. Not too long after I had gotten back home, one of my cabin mates sent me the news that "Criss Quits KISS"... At that point, I considered myself a Criss fan more than a KISS fan... and never really liked the fox nor any of the other new characters that came along. When KISS took off the makeup, though, I became interested in the band again. I never saw the band with Eric Carr, but I did see the Eric Singer version three or four times prior to the reunion. Now, Ed said that he became Peter's drum tech during production of the Cat Man album... I saw the Phoenix show on that tour, and I still remember the singer with the mohawk that Ed mentions. I never heard about the "Bad Boys" tour after that, but I do remember the Cat Man show pretty well. The whole band, including the mohawk guy, all looked way young, while Peter actually kind of looked like a dirt bag to me, although I was really glad to see him anyhow. His tattoos were the only recognizable thing about him to me, but I think they also contributed a lot to that initial impression. I remember the band really kicked it, great show, and the set included a lot of KISS material, which they played very well. The thing is, though, the set had so much KISS stuff that I became convinced that Paul and Gene had sent Peter out on the road to get him back in shape for a possible upcoming reunion... and when they finally brought Ace and Peter on stage at their MTV Unplugged gig a few years later, I just KNEW a tour would follow, and sure enough, it did.
This is great. These are the type of interviews that die hard fans love. I can't wait for part 2. If people don't like anything but the original 4 why the hell do they check out all the info on current Kiss? All the people that post negative shit are always doing it on the current topics, pages, sites, etc.... That is almost a podcast in itself... The crazy ass fans of KISS.
Michael, I enjoy all of your videos here and thank you for bringing this to us fans!.....question though, I guess you have no control over the audio that the other guys have [ volume, tone ] but this is your channel and you are always the least audible volume wise. Would you be able to bring your volume up and or the other guys down for future broadcasts? Thanks again for all you do.
Yes I said I was only guessing since I didn't see the contracts. I can only assume you were able to see the contracts. And again, your definition of "bigger" might be different than his or mine.
What Peter Criss brought to KISS was creative artistic aspect making not so much a technical aspect. It seems Paul and Gene sort of embraced a technical aspect to the music they created for KISS rather than embrace a raw punk sensibility to their music which was the way early KISS operated.
Personally I enjoy the show even if I sometimes don't necessarily agree with the opinions presented. It seems put together pretty well despite its limitations. Keep it up.
I sure don't know, I never saw the contracts. Did you? I would only guess that their 80s recording deals were more valuable (more money) than any 70s Casablanca deal.
That is fine, that is your feelings. It only represents you, not everyone. I have been a fan since 76 and feel different and I know other fans just as old who also feel different. Why is it so hard for you accept that not everyone has the same opinion as you? Why can't you accept that nobody is right or wrong, it is all just a matter of personal taste.
So, finally got up to the tour bus door and handed the guy an autographed (which had Paul, Gene, Ace's autograph's on it) Destroyer album with a vintage Destroyer sticker inside. When the record was returned the vinyl was broken in half, the sticker was gone and he signed right over one of the autograph's. Also, a guy handed a 5 dollar bill to get signed...they didn't return to him. Peter was a total jerk.
That was clearly the case in the 70s, but as the band evolved that concept also changed. To a 10 year old fan today KISS means something different then to a 10 year old fan in the 70s.
forget the contracts, after Peter and Ace left the band new kiss albums didn't sell as well, the multi-million dollar merchandising machine dried up, and record breaking ticket sales were a thing of the past, even having to play clubs in some markets. I think it's obvious that Ed's a little confused about the band doing better business in the 80's, he must be thinking of Aerosmith, the band "that comes out and does the music".
I really love your web casts. I have an idea on how to imporve the audio... Try recording each guys audio independently. You can then synch it up and edit together with the video after the web cast is over.
I totally agree,it would have been great to have seen what thy could have brought to the table, there are enough tribute bands out there for fans to re-live the original band.I feel if thy had been allowed to do their own thing,it wouldn't have divided the true fans so much, and we would be talking about the newer guys in their own right.
I didn't say or suggest anything about post-original Kiss being "fake"., I merely pointed out the fallacy in Ed's suggestion that post-original Kiss was doing "bigger" business than original Kiss, it`s simply not true and any reasonably educated Kiss fan knows this.
You don`t agree that during the 80's Kiss took a nose-dive after Peter and Ace left? It was the main reason for removing the make-up in 1983, the business model didn't work anymore, and nothing they tried prior to the reunion in 1996 ever achieved the level of success enjoyed by the originals in the 1970's. Let's try to stick to the facts.
Ed is incorrect here. Kiss may have been bigger than either of Peter or Ace's solo careers but after Peter and Ace left, the band was NEVER bigger than they were in their 70's heyday, until the reunion. I have no problem with Ed's opinions but let's not make up stuff and throw it out there as fact. And I would hardly describe the tenure of the original band from 74-79 or the music they created as an "infantile stage" of the band's history.
Very cool video, really enjoyed Peter's book & felt it's honesty! I never liked Ace's. In regards to the ACE/ TOMMY- PETER/ERIC debate, whatever, KISS is KISS! G & P kept it alive thru the 80's (when I REALLY discovered them) and 90's & I enjoyed Eric, Vinnie, Mark and Bruce. I always have supported KISS, even when I was not completely satsified. MONSTER is 1st CD/ ALBUM I didn't buy, kind of LOST THE LOVE. Funny thing, I played in a KISS Tribute (GENE) for the past 16 years & just stopped.
224th thumbs 👍 up from me!! AEROSMITH ALERT ⚠️ in the 5th minute!!' ''In the 5th minute, people!!' 'Would you look at the time ⏲️?' AEROSMITH ARMY REJOICE!! This is your moment!! No Gene, no Paul, no Eric, no Tommy = No problem!! Forget the KISS 💋 Army, you won 🏆!! Blue Kool-Aid Drinker. Peace ✌️ out from the Southern Tip of Vancouver Island 🏝 , B.C. Canada 🇨🇦.
Few things: Not the first time I heard Joey Kramer from Aerosmith was a dick. It always amazes me that Ace and Peter, after being handed GOLDEN TICKETS could proceed to screw it up again! It’s like that story Dr. Heideggers experiment” people will make the same mistakes over and over. Crazy.
70's Kiss could command a much larger recording contract as a result of being "bigger" than 80's Kiss who operated on a scaled down reduced deal. When Paul and Gene put their master tapes up for collateral to score that Kentucky bank loan to keep the band above water, it wasn't because they were "bigger" than 70's Kiss on ANY level, Ed is entitled to his opinions, but he's totally wrong about post-original Kiss in the 80's being bigger than the original era.
Billy why do you care? If it doesn't work for you anymore I get it. I have several close friends who feel the same way. I have no issue with it at all. Eric and Tommy are both exceptional musicians and they respect the music. Kiss did the reunion with the 4 original members, now its over. I don't understand why people are so upset by this. I saw 3 shows this summer. All sell outs and all fantastic. The people there didn't care
For the same reason Ace and Peter were not members of KISS when they returned. They are all hired musicians. Just like Tommy Lee and Vince Neil in Motley Crue. You leave, you aren't a member any longer. You return, you are paid to play.
Ed is referring to the business side of things. By the end of the 80's Kiss was being managed by Paul's shrink, not a professional manager. The business side of Kiss spiraled downward after the original band split apart. The band even sold their music publishing to the Japanese in order to stay in business. They used master tapes as collateral for a bank loan. Kiss did not go on to run a bigger business after Peter and Ace left, it was all scaled down due to lower album and ticket sales.
How about answering the question? So the Ace and Peter makeup is what is great not the person under it? I notice you didn't say Ace and Peter are great, only their characters. I can promise you I am not a blind follower, I have been VERY vocal online about what I hate... the setlist, the recent tours, Eric singing Beth, Tommy singing Shock Me, the Monster book, playing on American Idol and Dancing with the Stars. Next!
You are sure? You are confident in that statement because of what information? It is pretty clear you haven't watched all the episodes or you would know its not a Ace and Peter bashing campaign. Maybe do some research before you make misguided statements. A little info for you... #1 I praised Peter's book. #2 we discussed Vinnie. #3 we talked about vocalists and we pointed out Paul can't sing. #4 was all about producers. As you can see it is not as you incorrectly claim a campaign to bash.
Guys - GREAT podcast. I've been watching all of these, and have enjoyed them immensely. Michael - I am KISS fan from the beginning, and I love the band with Tommy and Eric. I'll always dig Ace, but Peter (in my opinion) stopped being good in 1977. Glad they are keeping the classic makeup for Tommy and Eric, LOVE Monster. KISS fans that can't deal with that, simply need to move on and stop posting - because it isn't going to change anything. Too bad you're missing out!
I am going to preface my remarks by saying from the beginning, I LOVE the show and I appreciate EVERYTHING you guys do. I work at a factory in Michigan and listen to your episodes all day long many,many times. I have views that may diverge from some of yours but I respect y'all nonetheless. It is my opinion that the original lineup created far greater material than any other iteration ESPECIALLY the current model. While I certainly don't begrudge Tommy and Eric their positions and find it repugnant the way Ace treated Tommy the way he did, I DO find it equally ridiculous that some would try to argue this lineup is superior to the original just because these guys can play better than Ace and Peter NOW. Riddle me this: where has Tommy ever written (with Kiss) anything as good as Ace Frehley's Kiss output and where is Eric Singer's "Beth"? If this is all about the songs (as it should be) WHERE ARE THEY? No amount of sales receipt statistics from latter-day tours will ever eclipse the magic of Kiss at their ascendancy and can never out measure the impact Kiss had at the time. So many great 90's era artists were influenced to play music (largely through Ace particularly) by this lineup. The mere audacity of Kiss to release 4 separate solo albums and a made for t.v. movie all within a year's time is all one needs to know about just how big Kiss was at their pinnacle which was BACK THEN (and by extension ) NOT NOW.
@@MichaelBrandvoldI wouldn’t say that directly. I’d say the band couldn’t have the lasting power without the original four without question, but to say the band is “better” now than they ever were,. That would be an understatement criminally. I love and cherish all eras of KISS. I was introduced to them during the 06/07 VH1 Rock Honors, where that moment literally changed my life seeing that hype package before they performed after Def Leppard. And I’d even say that I was endlessly fascinated by the Sonic Boom era of KISS during high school, but I wished I could experience the majesty that it was late 70s KISS. My favorite song by them for over almost two decades is Shandi, so what can I say in this matter. Have listened to the show since it started and have been rewatching all of the shows and this comment stuck out to me is all. Thanks for everything you have done in regards to persevering KISStory and have a great holiday season
I think Tommy and Eric are fine musicians, but are in the unfortunate spot of not being able to be themselves completely. They are asked to emulate the looks, sounds, and playing traits of their predecessors. It would benefit themselves, KISS, and the fans (both those who love and hate them as they currently are) if they were simply allowed to wear their own unique character makeups/costumes and play in their own unique styles. It would not harm the band and would be exciting to see happen.
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As a longstanding fan from the UK, I love this stuff. Makes one feel a bit saddened though and reminds me of something my Mum used to say "you should never meet your heroes" I loved PC as a kid and started playing drums as a result, I love his early style - quite loose and unique - 100,000 years, Deuce, Parasite, Strangeways, She, DRC, GoT, Shock me, Larger than life etc... That's what I want to remember.
Just read this posted on a forum: "Mike Brandvold, he used to run KISSOnline when it first started. Some guy posted a joke about KISS on their official forums and Brandvold reported him to his ISP, the FBI got involved and showed up at his work, and the guy ended up losing his job because of it."
Is this true?
30:51 "...'cos it was in time?" Classic !!
Peter Criss story for all of you: went to see Peter Criss play at The Strand in Providence, RI in 1994. It cost 5 dollars and it was half full. Anyways, after the show about ten of us waited outside in December cold by his tour bus to get autographs. Hos manager told us to wait. We waited TWO HOURS! Then, he wouldn't even come out. He had each person come up to the tour bus door and hand whatever the wanted signed to the guy at the door and he would bring it back to Peter.
I've seen a few songs from that board mix, and it was the best I've heard since the reunion happened. I SO want a copy of that!
A superb episode. Thanks for bringing this to us, guys. It's very much appreciated.
I was at that show in Columbus, Ga. I remember we were a ways back so I brought my binoculars ... After a minute or so, I said to my buddy, "That's not Peter!" Can't say I was shocked, but I was surprised. Kudos to Paul for being honest with the fans that "Peter's back at the hotel, he's not feeling well, but we got his best friend Ed Kanon on the drums! It was a minor bummer, but I had seen the Atlanta Oct. 1996 show, so it wasn't like I missed out on seeing Peter. Ed says in this interview that it was half-assed, but I disagree. I thought the show went off great. Thanks so much for giving this the inside story on this remarkable episode in KISStory, guys. And especially to Ed for sharing his thoughts
You're pretty lucky to see Kiss with both Peter, and the one-time show with Ed drumming. That's really cool!
edds a great guy. loved it all being a big kiss fan tonight was a rare and unique glimpse in to the world of kiss cheers guys
The Clarences love & support Three Sides Of The Coin, Ed & Kiss!
this episode never gets old!! gotta be the 5th or 6th time I've listened to it, love the INFINITI MOMENT(s) from Ed!!
I was at this show too; 5-6 rows back from the stage on Paul's side. Great seats. As soon as the show started, i knew that wasn't Peter back there. The guy's arms were too muscular to belong to Peter! I was definitely bummed out, but not enough to leave. It was a great show. Very cool seeing Paul sing Black Diamond.
Awesome - Looking forward to part 2! Thanks for not asking softball questions.
Yes it is Donny. Part 2 with Ed coming next week. Thanks for tuning in. (Tommy)
Michael, I was told about your page recently from a friend, I enjoy your outlooks on KISS as a whole. Keep up the great work!
Thank you.
Yes, and they will eventually do it. KISS weren't the wiggles when they started, but now they are four characters on stage, not four people.
Well you are always welcome to do your own show or stop watching if you don't like it. I think Mitch is a real pro.
I have a few questions for Ed:
1) Did he sing Beth?
2) Did he actually also sing bvs that night?
3) How much did they pay him? Was it normal crew wages, or did they bump his pay up to Peter's salary for that night only?
4) Notwithstanding Doc McGhee's remark about: "You're gonna look pretty stupid tearing down the drums in that makeup," who DID strike the drums that night? Did he do double duty as the tech after the show?
5) Did he do an actual drum solo? (besides the breakdown in 100,000 Years)
I am not out to make any group of fans happy. I am just expressing my opinion, you can like it or not. I honestly don't care if a group of fans will stand for it. It is all just opinion, and you are free to stop listening if you don't agree.
Mike,I have enjoyed ALL of your podcasts....great job!!! I've worked for some big bands and artists and Ed just touched the surface of what goes on!!!I will have to take some to my grave!!! Keep up the great job!
Being as i am a newer Kiss fan, i was recently watching/listening to the show where Ed subs for Peter and i thought he did a great job. It's on here (youtube) if anyone wants to re-live that show (the board mix, like Ed said, but i dig soundboards so..i kinda like it). Great interview btw.
PAUL STANLEY INTRODUCING ED KANON AS KISS DRUMER
thats the video suggested on the right column of RUclips
Thanks Donny. I added the link to part 2 in the description.
Great show topics and a amazing guest! Keep up the great job!
I saw Ed Kanon play with KISS in Peter's makeup in 1997 in Columbus, GA.
The funny thing about Ace and Peter's book is that they do more to substantiate Gene and Paul's position than Gene and Paul ever have.
Ace and Peter were my favorites but I would never do business with either of them.
This was a great interview...you have to Ed back on again.
You'd be completely wrong. By 1980, original Kiss had one of the most lucrative recording contracts in the music industry. They could command a 2 million dollar advance per album. By 1988, Kiss was releasing demos with drum machines on self-produced albums because the budgets were smaller due to Kiss no longer being as big as they were in the 1970's. Ed is wrong when he says Kiss "got bigger" after the originals parted ways.
How would you suggest improving the audio quality? Anyway... no loss to us. Take care.
I love this!
Thanks for watching we really appreciate it. Just trying to create something we enjoy that we can share with everyone else. (Tommy)
I was at the Columbus, GA show. I remember driving all the way from Savannah, GA with 2 friends, and they started Deuce, and I was looking at the drums thinking, "OH SHIT, DID THEY KICK PETER OUT??!!??"
Seriously though, thanks guys, this was great.
Thats right he did mention Ed in the book.. I never noticed. Thats nuts cause I thought they were really good friends.
i love your shows you guys rock!! WE WANT KISS!
I wanted to say, I have a copy of the Kiss concert that Ed played on DVD!!! It is called "The Peter Crss Project".....it is the whole show!! Do you have a copy at all?
One question: why do fans treat this loke the JFK conspiracy? Ed was introduced by Paul at the beginning of the show, he told the audience Peter was sick and Ed was filling in, Ed even stood up to take a bow after the introduction. There have been pictures and video of it all over the internet for years. Why this huge expression of shock by people? Leaves me scratching myvhead.
Love this show guys! Keep it up!
That is a really interesting point you bring up. Thanks for sharing (Tommy)
Thanks Dan.
This is just a Skype call that is recorded, we don't separate channels that I am aware of. But, I am speaking with Skype tomorrow to what assistance they can provide.
Brilliant interview! Thank you.
Ed is an awesome stand up guy. He wotked really hard when with Peter solo & with KISS. Great interview and glad Ed got tospeak out. ;)
Thank you, quite often the fans wish they knew the truth, but will often deny it when confronted with the truth.
wow that was mindblowing... congratulations you´re doing such an incredible job, I'll be wainting for the second part... many people after this will be thinking vinnie vincent as a possible guest in the future?? of course if you can find him
keep on rockin'
Vinnie is in plain sight. As a fat woman who doesn't play guitar.
I just keep going back to... you have seen the contracts? Seen the balance sheets? Seen the advances? It is just your opinion and it is really just a valid as Ed's.
Coming in the next 24 hours on iTunes. It was delayed as I was sick with food poisoning.
Not sure anyone cares about proving you wrong. This isn't a challenge. I completely agree that the other make mistakes... Gene more so than Paul. Gene and Paul weren't the topic of this episode... it was Peter.
My point exactly... people don't care about the people under the makeup only the character. Thank you for confirming my point.
How cool was that? Thanks for sharing (Tommy)
I didn't notice if they asked Ed about what the reason was that Peter didn't do the show. I've heard it was because of Peter's arms hurting so bad but I've also heard it was a power play by him to see what they'd do if he didn't show up, but they just went ahead without him. I don't think Peter would really do that though.
You saw a rare moment of history, congrats.
great interview wish Eds audio was better though
Sounds like Peter's bitterness is a contagion. Ed's view of Peter is pretty bleak & a bit bitter. It's like Peter is some kind of unhappiness napalm. Get anywhere near the guy & his cloud of misery will swallow you up. Did Ed say he worked with Peter for a decade(93-03)? I can't imagine working that closely for that long with someone so miserable. The "Don't play my drums." comment is over the top mental & sadly funny all at the same time. It's like telling the valet not to drive your car.
what is the song at the beginning of this episode?
Great show, guys... I just sort of stumbled into them this morning, but only got the chance to listen to Part 1 with Ed just now. Earlier today, I'd been trying to go through the comments and figure out where they started chronologically so I could follow the conversation threads from where they began (particularly the dialogue between Michael and john jones), but I never did manage to figure out where the comments really began. No matter. My hope is that you still read new comments, Michael, since I do see that this video has been up for more than a year now... So, allow me to briefly introduce myself. I am 49, I play drums, and Peter Criss was my 2nd major influence (Ringo was 1st). My first KISS concert was Dynasty, but I basically hated that album for its Disco vibe. Unmasked was released on the day I left for a month-long summer camp session in Colorado, but a local radio station played the whole album the night before, and I taped it and took it with me. I thought it was the best KISS album, but KISS wasn't "cool" anymore after Dynasty, so I told my camp mates that the tape was a friend's band to get them to listen to it, only revealing the truth after getting positive feedback on it. Not too long after I had gotten back home, one of my cabin mates sent me the news that "Criss Quits KISS"...
At that point, I considered myself a Criss fan more than a KISS fan... and never really liked the fox nor any of the other new characters that came along. When KISS took off the makeup, though, I became interested in the band again. I never saw the band with Eric Carr, but I did see the Eric Singer version three or four times prior to the reunion.
Now, Ed said that he became Peter's drum tech during production of the Cat Man album... I saw the Phoenix show on that tour, and I still remember the singer with the mohawk that Ed mentions. I never heard about the "Bad Boys" tour after that, but I do remember the Cat Man show pretty well. The whole band, including the mohawk guy, all looked way young, while Peter actually kind of looked like a dirt bag to me, although I was really glad to see him anyhow. His tattoos were the only recognizable thing about him to me, but I think they also contributed a lot to that initial impression. I remember the band really kicked it, great show, and the set included a lot of KISS material, which they played very well. The thing is, though, the set had so much KISS stuff that I became convinced that Paul and Gene had sent Peter out on the road to get him back in shape for a possible upcoming reunion... and when they finally brought Ace and Peter on stage at their MTV Unplugged gig a few years later, I just KNEW a tour would follow, and sure enough, it did.
This is great. These are the type of interviews that die hard fans love. I can't wait for part 2. If people don't like anything but the original 4 why the hell do they check out all the info on current Kiss? All the people that post negative shit are always doing it on the current topics, pages, sites, etc.... That is almost a podcast in itself... The crazy ass fans of KISS.
Michael, I enjoy all of your videos here and thank you for bringing this to us fans!.....question though, I guess you have no control over the audio that the other guys have [ volume, tone ] but this is your channel and you are always the least audible volume wise. Would you be able to bring your volume up and or the other guys down for future broadcasts? Thanks again for all you do.
Yes I said I was only guessing since I didn't see the contracts. I can only assume you were able to see the contracts. And again, your definition of "bigger" might be different than his or mine.
What Peter Criss brought to KISS was creative artistic aspect making not so much a technical aspect. It seems Paul and Gene sort of embraced a technical aspect to the music they created for KISS rather than embrace a raw punk sensibility to their music which was the way early KISS operated.
hopefully, we all grow...
The single biggest thing to impact quality is each persons bandwidth.
Personally I enjoy the show even if I sometimes don't necessarily agree with the opinions presented. It seems put together pretty well despite its limitations. Keep it up.
Ed was great, nice person.
I sure don't know, I never saw the contracts. Did you? I would only guess that their 80s recording deals were more valuable (more money) than any 70s Casablanca deal.
That is fine, that is your feelings. It only represents you, not everyone. I have been a fan since 76 and feel different and I know other fans just as old who also feel different. Why is it so hard for you accept that not everyone has the same opinion as you? Why can't you accept that nobody is right or wrong, it is all just a matter of personal taste.
No smear campaign, just commentary. Will change your tone when we talk about Gene? But if you don't like, as they say just change the dial.
So, finally got up to the tour bus door and handed the guy an autographed (which had Paul, Gene, Ace's autograph's on it) Destroyer album with a vintage Destroyer sticker inside. When the record was returned the vinyl was broken in half, the sticker was gone and he signed right over one of the autograph's. Also, a guy handed a 5 dollar bill to get signed...they didn't return to him. Peter was a total jerk.
what a TNUC
@@paulfox1020 Totally!!! xoxo The Clarences
That was clearly the case in the 70s, but as the band evolved that concept also changed. To a 10 year old fan today KISS means something different then to a 10 year old fan in the 70s.
forget the contracts, after Peter and Ace left the band new kiss albums didn't sell as well, the multi-million dollar merchandising machine dried up, and record breaking ticket sales were a thing of the past, even having to play clubs in some markets.
I think it's obvious that Ed's a little confused about the band doing better business in the 80's, he must be thinking of Aerosmith, the band "that comes out and does the music".
I really love your web casts. I have an idea on how to imporve the audio... Try recording each guys audio independently. You can then synch it up and edit together with the video after the web cast is over.
I totally agree,it would have been great to have seen what thy could have brought to the table, there are enough tribute bands out there for fans to re-live the original band.I feel if thy had been allowed to do their own thing,it wouldn't have divided the true fans so much, and we would be talking about the newer guys in their own right.
I didn't say or suggest anything about post-original Kiss being "fake"., I merely pointed out the fallacy in Ed's suggestion that post-original Kiss was doing "bigger" business than original Kiss, it`s simply not true and any reasonably educated Kiss fan knows this.
We are doing our best please be patient with us. (Tommy)
Tommy's tape of Columbus is out somewhere?
Real smart comment.
21:25 Ed gets his "gotta take a quick dump" look on his face
You don`t agree that during the 80's Kiss took a nose-dive after Peter and Ace left? It was the main reason for removing the make-up in 1983, the business model didn't work anymore, and nothing they tried prior to the reunion in 1996 ever achieved the level of success enjoyed by the originals in the 1970's. Let's try to stick to the facts.
Great interview!
Yeah so? He is the lead guitarist in KISS now. If it is something you don't like that is cool, but other people have no problem with it.
As soon as he said "he didn't mention me" I tuned him out.
Right?! And he calls Peter Criss a whiner?
Ed is incorrect here. Kiss may have been bigger than either of Peter or Ace's solo careers but after Peter and Ace left, the band was NEVER bigger than they were in their 70's heyday, until the reunion. I have no problem with Ed's opinions but let's not make up stuff and throw it out there as fact. And I would hardly describe the tenure of the original band from 74-79 or the music they created as an "infantile stage" of the band's history.
awesome insight and great interviews been on the interwebs watching a few installments ......ed comes off as a stand up guy and an absolute pro---
Guess it all depends on each of definition of "bigger".
Very cool video, really enjoyed Peter's book & felt it's honesty! I never liked Ace's. In regards to the ACE/ TOMMY- PETER/ERIC debate, whatever, KISS is KISS! G & P kept it alive thru the 80's (when I REALLY discovered them) and 90's & I enjoyed Eric, Vinnie, Mark and Bruce. I always have supported KISS, even when I was not completely satsified. MONSTER is 1st CD/ ALBUM I didn't buy, kind of LOST THE LOVE. Funny thing, I played in a KISS Tribute (GENE) for the past 16 years & just stopped.
224th thumbs 👍 up from me!! AEROSMITH ALERT ⚠️ in the 5th minute!!' ''In the 5th minute, people!!' 'Would you look at the time ⏲️?' AEROSMITH ARMY REJOICE!! This is your moment!! No Gene, no Paul, no Eric, no Tommy = No problem!! Forget the KISS 💋 Army, you won 🏆!! Blue Kool-Aid Drinker. Peace ✌️ out from the Southern Tip of Vancouver Island 🏝 , B.C. Canada 🇨🇦.
Few things: Not the first time I heard Joey Kramer from Aerosmith was a dick. It always amazes me that Ace and Peter, after being handed GOLDEN TICKETS could proceed to screw it up again! It’s like that story Dr. Heideggers experiment” people will make the same mistakes over and over. Crazy.
70's Kiss could command a much larger recording contract as a result of being "bigger" than 80's Kiss who operated on a scaled down reduced deal. When Paul and Gene put their master tapes up for collateral to score that Kentucky bank loan to keep the band above water, it wasn't because they were "bigger" than 70's Kiss on ANY level, Ed is entitled to his opinions, but he's totally wrong about post-original Kiss in the 80's being bigger than the original era.
Billy why do you care? If it doesn't work for you anymore I get it. I have several close friends who feel the same way. I have no issue with it at all. Eric and Tommy are both exceptional musicians and they respect the music. Kiss did the reunion with the 4 original members, now its over. I don't understand why people are so upset by this. I saw 3 shows this summer. All sell outs and all fantastic. The people there didn't care
For the same reason Ace and Peter were not members of KISS when they returned. They are all hired musicians. Just like Tommy Lee and Vince Neil in Motley Crue. You leave, you aren't a member any longer. You return, you are paid to play.
Ed is referring to the business side of things. By the end of the 80's Kiss was being managed by Paul's shrink, not a professional manager. The business side of Kiss spiraled downward after the original band split apart. The band even sold their music publishing to the Japanese in order to stay in business. They used master tapes as collateral for a bank loan. Kiss did not go on to run a bigger business after Peter and Ace left, it was all scaled down due to lower album and ticket sales.
But you don't have any specific suggestions other than calling names. You are so smart and classy. As I said, no loss to us.
Is that a problem?
How about answering the question? So the Ace and Peter makeup is what is great not the person under it? I notice you didn't say Ace and Peter are great, only their characters.
I can promise you I am not a blind follower, I have been VERY vocal online about what I hate... the setlist, the recent tours, Eric singing Beth, Tommy singing Shock Me, the Monster book, playing on American Idol and Dancing with the Stars. Next!
You are sure? You are confident in that statement because of what information? It is pretty clear you haven't watched all the episodes or you would know its not a Ace and Peter bashing campaign. Maybe do some research before you make misguided statements. A little info for you... #1 I praised Peter's book. #2 we discussed Vinnie. #3 we talked about vocalists and we pointed out Paul can't sing. #4 was all about producers. As you can see it is not as you incorrectly claim a campaign to bash.
Guys - GREAT podcast. I've been watching all of these, and have enjoyed them immensely. Michael - I am KISS fan from the beginning, and I love the band with Tommy and Eric. I'll always dig Ace, but Peter (in my opinion) stopped being good in 1977. Glad they are keeping the classic makeup for Tommy and Eric, LOVE Monster. KISS fans that can't deal with that, simply need to move on and stop posting - because it isn't going to change anything. Too bad you're missing out!
Oh we bash Vinnie Vincent, Paul Stanley... what are you looking for?
Sounds like you just didn't like what you heard. Ed was there, he can speak more about what happened then you can.
I am going to preface my remarks by saying from the beginning, I LOVE the show and I appreciate EVERYTHING you guys do. I work at a factory in Michigan and listen to your episodes all day long many,many times. I have views that may diverge from some of yours but I respect y'all nonetheless. It is my opinion that the original lineup created far greater material than any other iteration ESPECIALLY the current model. While I certainly don't begrudge Tommy and Eric their positions and find it repugnant the way Ace treated Tommy the way he did, I DO find it equally ridiculous that some would try to argue this lineup is superior to the original just because these guys can play better than Ace and Peter NOW. Riddle me this: where has Tommy ever written (with Kiss) anything as good as Ace Frehley's Kiss output and where is Eric Singer's "Beth"? If this is all about the songs (as it should be) WHERE ARE THEY? No amount of sales receipt statistics from latter-day tours will ever eclipse the magic of Kiss at their ascendancy and can never out measure the impact Kiss had at the time. So many great 90's era artists were influenced to play music (largely through Ace particularly) by this lineup. The mere audacity of Kiss to release 4 separate solo albums and a made for t.v. movie all within a year's time is all one needs to know about just how big Kiss was at their pinnacle which was BACK THEN (and by extension ) NOT NOW.
A&P can’t play these days, it is pretty simple. KISS is even bigger now than they were in the 70s.
@@MichaelBrandvoldI wouldn’t say that directly. I’d say the band couldn’t have the lasting power without the original four without question, but to say the band is “better” now than they ever were,. That would be an understatement criminally. I love and cherish all eras of KISS. I was introduced to them during the 06/07 VH1 Rock Honors, where that moment literally changed my life seeing that hype package before they performed after Def Leppard. And I’d even say that I was endlessly fascinated by the Sonic Boom era of KISS during high school, but I wished I could experience the majesty that it was late 70s KISS. My favorite song by them for over almost two decades is Shandi, so what can I say in this matter. Have listened to the show since it started and have been rewatching all of the shows and this comment stuck out to me is all. Thanks for everything you have done in regards to persevering KISStory and have a great holiday season
I think Tommy and Eric are fine musicians, but are in the unfortunate spot of not being able to be themselves completely. They are asked to emulate the looks, sounds, and playing traits of their predecessors. It would benefit themselves, KISS, and the fans (both those who love and hate them as they currently are) if they were simply allowed to wear their own unique character makeups/costumes and play in their own unique styles. It would not harm the band and would be exciting to see happen.
Monster is a really good album, pick it up.
That might be ok for Peter and Ace but do you really think it would be the same for gene or Paul? Kiss aren't the Wiggles!
Whats ironic is u can’t really break a drum set u can drop a guitar break the headstock etc they’re fragile but drums don’t rly break