Is This End of Suno and Udio AI? (and AI Music?)
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2024
- The music industry is on fire, and AI companies are in the crosshairs.
Three titan record labels have just launched the biggest attack that could vaporize the future of generative music AI..
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Breaking news and my awkward hair. Here we go!
I wonder if the bigger play here is for big labels to control the tech. Its not about the money per se, but the control of the future of music generation. I'd see a settlement happening, labels take a part ownership or licencing deal, and Suno and Udio have access to build models for each label using their full fidelity catalogues as source training data.
Remember how the labels went crazy to own the streaming tech narrative and now are shareholders of Spotify etc. same thing IMO.
How can it be the "end of AI Music" when these labels are only trying to step into AI music and be the ones who profit from it?
using ai to replace the same 12 music producers who make all the horrible mainstream pop music? i'm ok with that.
using ai to create music from ppls music they created.. we are not ok with that what so ever. let the major labels continue to make sht music , we literally do not care.
Glad you’re ok.
Thanks a ton!😷
Seconded. That sounds really scary! Take care of yourself. 💜
It was stated by "Rick Beato" that the labels will be using their own AI and this law suite is to cut out anyone from doing the same thing. The music industry is a dinosaur and run by them, all their artists should be worried and should start their own law suit against the labels (which will probably happen)
Power play to get a stake in or takeover the AI companies to profit themselves.
Are they suing all of us? Our brains use the existing works to recreate and create something new...
Will all the producers also be banned?
I'm not defending AI, but it's something weird...
On the other hand, RUclips is currently negotiating with some record companies to be allowed to use their data for its own AI. so the future will bring AI directly to listeners, without going through producers. Spotify will generate playlists for you the moment you press play.
I hope these record labels get them
Yes finally 😁
This is crazy news! I wonder whats going to happen with Udio and Suno after all of this. And if record companies do go through with the lawsuit I wonder if it will set a new precedent for all other types of generative AI companies as well.
This whole story will be so interesting to follow.
I do not believe that the lawsuits have any chance of success.
I thought it was just ‘how you had your hair “ 🙂
No biggie great vid & thanks for your concern.
I’ve been a musical person all my life, but now I’m kinda
Wondering what all that learning and experience count for. 😟
"what a time to be alive!"
myidea to solve the AI issue for all the time, changing AI platforms to let EVERY client upload sound content(his own content) and the AI is creating stuff only by obey/knowing about that uploaded sounds of the client. so the origin of all results will be an result of the content that the client has uploaded/OWNS! that is my idea to solve the AI issue for all the time.
I asked the question of an AI company CEO about getting personally trained AI, and his answer, and what I learned since then, is that there isn't enough data from one individual for training AI. AI training data, is literally BILLIONS of points of data, so AI can't be trained even on the largest libraries of a single artist. So that's the limitation. I would LOVE to have a personally trained AI, I think it would be great to have one trained specific to me, but because of that limitation, that will almost never happen, or at least won't until there's some change to training computational algorithms, and how they function.
@@djlick2 well the goal is to bring AI to the point that it are able to be creative with less amount of data. I have licenses to an huge amount of audio...so I will not only upload my results, also my stuff that I have the license to use it. that must be enough to let AI be creative.
It's rare that i root for the major labels, but here we go :P
Until they find ways to reverse engineering the tech , those court case will be long long long battle . Anyone with money can sue anyone for literally nothing , but doesn't mean everybody can win or loose in court . Meanwhile Get your popcorn and enjoy that "court show"
Of course, like Chat GpT.
What a sad world
It's all about the money... dum dum dadada dum...
Its just to destroy every competitor and open source version of it and after that releasing an own model trained legally on their own massive databases. With a monopoly on the technology.
New technology, old story: most record labels exploited artists.
Nothing has changed ...
they clearly trained their models on copyrighted music
the question is and always can you prove it in court ?
Who said it's illegal?
I mean, specifically, what law says "you cannot train models on X music"?
Before AI: they trained an artist on copyrighted music: are you going to sue that one because he/she listened to that music before creating their own music?
@@ChristianIce the law in america hasnt caught up yet. its very similar to how there weren't specific laws about p2p sharing when napster blew up but clearly it was ruled illegal to share copywritten material
@@morizanova easy...You keep purposely generating songs that sound too close to copywritten material...It doesn't have "taste" so to speak, so your forced to ask how did it get these ideas. Ive seen a couple vids where they're already generating song close to actual songs
No its not the end of AI music ...or AI TECHS Its more over that THOSE BIG MUSIC CORPS want to gain FULL control over the AI music themselves!! So the reason for this so called LAW SUIT generated by those BIG MUSIC CORPS is only because of GREAD and fo them to gain even more control & MONEY for themselves!! Rick Beato also talks about this aspect in one of his new video blog update about why so called "new music" seemingly becomes even worse! AI techs tools related to music and music creation & creativity I do not fear,.. & every time some new techs comes along so many grab into the fear aspect ... as back in the days when drum machine came...then the same thing happen ...then all got in fear about the would be no more DRUM MUSICIANS and same when more advanced VSTs techs came..that the same happen as so many then stated that all musicians would end up vansihing and so on and so forth... JUNKIE XL former artist now full time FILM MUSIC PRODUCER COMPOSER ) has an input on this topic aswell related to the AI techs tools for music creation and creativity as he see it as something positive and not something negative and not something he approach with the fear mongering aspect like so many does!
"i'm gonna die in a hair dresser" - Great title for a song! 🫀🫀🫀
Haha inspiration for the next song
or horror movie...
Right.... No.
You can't copyright a style or a voice. Case closed?
Well you don't really know how many copyrighted songs are in the dataset
@@BartSch1pper That's true but does it really matter? As long as they don't share any copyright work.
@@jenstornell as a video game composer. we want this ai stuff shut down and laws in place.. f this sht man.. it's 100 percent stealing copyright material.. don't even try to say it is not.
This is simply because the major record labels want to use their own artist catalogs for their OWN AI music making software then they don't have to pay any royalties to anyone when they release these fake non made human songs. Ver simple to understand their tactics
i say let them. who cares.. you listen to mainstream pop music ? it's very low iq listening music i find it all so horrible honestly.. it's all made by the same 12 music producers too.. let them replace those 12 ppl with ai , who cares. literally i do not care what so ever... the problem is Suno and Udio could be sampling from all sorts of other things.. we need them shut down and we need laws in place. i literally do not care what happens to mainstream pop music.
@@Maplefoxx-vl2ew I haven't listened to mainstream for decades and I literally mean decades. Anything from the likes of the Tiger Lillies to Lost Dog Street Band to Tuba Skinny to Flogging Molly and more obscure.
To me this seems to be a no-brainer in that the AI companies have used the intellectual property of the composers/record companies and are making money from it.
Thus they (the AI companies) are obliged to pay a mechanical royalty to the copyright holder for every track that they SELL.
Something like a 50/50 split say.
Then the Record companies will develop their own AI (or just buy Udio and Suno) and the other AI generative companies will be unable to compete economically.
As a composer who earns a significant income from royalties, I welcome this lawsuit.
"Obliged" by whci law?
I'm not sayin I'm pro or against, I'm saying that I don't know of any law that says "you cannot train models on X".
"As a composer who earns a significant income from royalties"
So you missed the point.
Labels don't want to fight AI, they want to profit from it.
You are not getting any royalties out of it.
@@ChristianIce - it's a simple breach of copyright. If you use my music in order to profit without obtaining a licence to do so then I can sue you.
As a composer whose intellectual property has been used to train the AI without my consent, the value of my intellectual property has been diminished. It's basically theft.
The same applies when you are asked to create "soundalikes". This is very problematic for composers and a few have been very heavily penalised by the courts for imitating existing works too closely.
With many copyright claims, you would have to demonstrate that the new work wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the preexisting work. With AI generated music it's inherently true.
@@duncanmcneill7088
Could be, but laws are not "what I think is right".
Laws are very specific on what you cannot do, and "training a model using music" is not illegal as of today.
@@ChristianIce - that would be true IF the AI companies had licensed the training data and weren't profiting.
If they didn't obtain a licence then they have laid themselves open to being sued for breach of copyright. This isn't rocket science.
@@duncanmcneill7088
Let's read the specific law and see it that applies.
Can you provide that article so we can read it together?
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Oh, what a courageous and evolved declaration from poor incompetents who claim to impersonate, without any artistic or even human quality, true artists. Nothing to brag about living like parasites, guaranteed. You are not the First,you are just a small one, among thousand and thousand. 😂😂😂
that is the dumbest take i've ever heard.. all art is absolutely not artificial you dope and stop trying to self justify what you are doing budd, you guys are just like the NFT bro's but with music. you didn't create sht.. udio did from stuff that was created by real musicians who spent hours or weeks on each track. using their actual brains and creativity and skills.. no one wants music created by ppl who steal
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I hope it's the end of full song generation, which in my view is an abomination. I wouldn't be so fast to dismiss this as some big label power trip. I'm not anti-AI either, in fact
I love services like Audimee, which empowers artists. Udio and the like doesn't.
I can almost guarantee it's a label power trip.....or at least, defense of their business model. They feel threatened because of the mass creation of songs, and no control over them. As gatekeepers in the pop industry, this is total protection of their position in the industry.
@@djlick2 I don't think they do it for the good of their heart but they're not the only ones threatened by full song AI. Personally I think its still pretty poor but it will make the cake (even) smaller, as it's sufficient for low budget productions.
That machine learning music generation is only a remix of all the property of artists. It sounds mediocre and the fact that silicon can't think nor innovate doesn't make it any better. But let them spread this boring stuff so "human made" becomes a real quality label again.
Nope
BREAKING NEWS
Finally got to make one. 🥳
Nope. They have nothing.
Eh they can burn. Go go AI!
The effect will be that someone will get annoyed and make it available offline. Imagine something like this: Udio in the offline version, without moderation error messages. A matter of time... I hope so
You could do that already, but that isn't what's in question. The question is the training, which HAS to occur online, and whether training is considered copyright protected.
Once the model is trained, the application of the model, doesn't use a lot of processing, and you could take it offline. Some of these models run on hundreds of TOPS, which current systems can handle, the reason for doing them online, is the mass amount of requests, and then the data feeds back into the training for further learning of the model.
The reason for this is process improvement, not actual model output, as that could happen locally already.
@@djlick2 "the data feeds back into the training for further learning of the model..." I have doubts here. Udio worked best for the first 2 weeks. interesting, catchy melodies...
very often a positive surprise. Now? it generates strange things more and more often...
@@tomaszwaszka3394 the models are set up for re-feeds....that's how models work, their output, is used to create new inputs. That's actually one of the things that has AI architects worried, because when does the data start to have too much of its own generated content....there's a lot of discussion around that in the tech world.