Phil Donahue punk show 1984 part 4
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- Опубликовано: 5 янв 2011
- Phil Donahue, Serena Dank infamous "Parents of Punkers" organizer, and a mom who looks like something out of an Aline Crumb comic, along with several punks, duke it out to find out who and/or what is punk after all. From my beta collection, early 80's. Part 4 of 4
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nearly thirty yeas later and we're still here and we're still punk.
nearly 40 years now
Too bad
"Are they gonna b like this forever??" LOL!!! Uncle Al is!! ;D
fukn uncle al!! I wish i was in tghat audience so i could tell him how much i love him and his music
@@xXxkrispyXlolitaxXx probably the most successful person on that stage. Does anyone know who Donahue is anymore?
I like how for every 4 mean old ladies there's 1 super nice one
My mom is one of them Super nice Ladies
i like how donahue ends up defending the punks most of the time. i was surprised
I've been watching a lot of these old episodes and have gathered that Donahue had a pretty open mind, especially for the early 80s. Awesome guy, IMHO.
"I change every so often." That dude is awesome. XD
That guy is Al Jourgensen the singer of Ministry for like 40 years, amongst other projects! And he is still wild!
Thanks to people like this who cleared the road for those of us now lol. 31, punk nerd with a kid growing up with crazy hair, punk music and a guitar
Almost 30 years later we need these people back
Al never went away he’s still rockin
Punk was my refuge... I grew up in Dallas Tx. graduated High School in 85 (a semester early) w/ an art school university scholarship, was into bands like The Ramones, Sex Pistols, the Buzzcocks, the Police, the Dead Kennedy's, R.E.M. The Clash and a few yrs. later RHCP, Ministry and Janes Addiction as well as the classic bands, The Beatles, Mc5, the Stooges and The Who. I wasn't into traditional high school sports, or hanging out w/ the jocks, preppies(that wore $100.00 polo shirts w/ the collar turned up ,lol and drove new cars that their parents paid for) the freaks (druggies). I played in a band (beginning w/ violin age 6 later guitar). Skateboarded as much as I could w/ my small group of friends. We were just being ourselves having fun through artistic and self expression. As well as questioning authority, parents, government, religions, war, etc in search of truth. I didn't put a lot of emphasis on dress or hair some did (mainly girls). Our passions later became mainstream by way of the X games, and the music called alternitive in the 90's. A culture that was then based on creating. Looking back, I'm so glad I grew up when I did, there is no music scene anymore. The internet F'd that up. Cell phones, fast food, video games and lots of crappy mind numbing, soul crushing television, Hollywood is corrupt as well as our government, and the media machine based on hype and apathy creating fear and consumption. It's FUBAR!!! Transcend the B/S with compassion, non judgements, and understanding. Embrace being human, embrace life!!!
Like that woman in the beginning who admitted to being a Flower Child, and still was at the time of taping, many of the punks back then are still that way. Maybe they don't dress as outrageous as they did back then with the painted leather jackets, and the hair styles, since that's all outside window dressing, but they still carry it in their hearts, and still occasionally like to put on the old records they listened to back then. (I won't name bands for copyright reasons, but you kn ow the bands that you used to love, and sing along to) For many of us, when somebody refers to themselves as a "Former punk" we think to ourselves that you were never really a punk to start with. As I said, we may not dress up like it today, but we still carry it in our heart, which swells with joy when we see the new generation of kids listening to the music we did, dressing up like we did, and speaking their minds about the injustices and unfairness of the world. Only the names have changed, and not much else.
well said
Believe it or not that guy is Al Jourgensen from the band Ministry
Got to love the color hair spray commercials.
i just gotta say one more last thing.. that turbo wagon commercial was hysterical! LOL!!
@MrTulip65
Absolutely true and agreed! The Xerox machine allowed you to create, self-publish and promote with almost no middleman. The web/internet may be it's replacement but it's a costly venture. I have a few issue of Sniffin' Glue. Good 'zine!
1:03 She is awesome. Embracing a " new" youth culture movement, and also a testament that age doesn't matter, your core values don't change.
Thank you That is my mom
punk wasn´t new in 1984
Wow I feel old, that's me at2:03 !!!!!
Hey there. You lot did a good job representing the punk ethic to straight America back then. Very best wishes from the UK.
Nice hair
I actually clapped when the woman asked how you get your hair to stand straight up and you said, "it's been like this ever since I got out of the Navy..l.". That was absolutely beautiful!!!
@9:55 "Well any time, any place, anywhere that I go
All the people seem to stop and stare
They say 'why are you dressed like it's Halloween?
You look so absurd, you look so obscene"'
Oh, why can't I live a life for me?
Why should I take the abuse that's served?
Why can't they see they're just like me
It's the same, it's the same in the whole wide world"
9:42 Everyday is Halloween !
The commercials are 🔥🔥🔥 I miss the 80's
PUNK WILL NEVER DIE!
This was the Generation that brought us better ; ¡Music,tv,computers,and social tolerence,good job former class of 82 !!!
Serena Dank. "A danky old maid on Phil Donahue confirmed our fears!" -- Jello Biafra
The funny thing is that, even though you try to break away from the society pattern of the "standard", you'll get stuck in the social pattern of an "outsider" (The Ramones). A lady asked those kids if they'll be like this (dressed as punks) for the rest of their lives. In the most definite way, nobody is going to be like that for the rest of their life because some things will change (let's not speak of exceptions here). The fact is that their philosophy makes this world a little better.
09:42 awesome, i wish he had said more on this show.
Stepping outside of the norm and being different can make you stronger in mind and spirit, instead of confirming and playing it safe, being like everyone else.
i want that turbo wagon
MY mom is on here I love this
Flower Child
@poopiedeloopie haha, actually, I just go crew cut now, used to have a mowhalk, I still sport a motorcycle jacket and wear engineer boots... so I guess I misspoke!
1:32 he'll yes. I love her.
In, uh, Soviet Russia, the Xerox machine was 100% a tool for freedom and democratization and empowerment - the samizdat, e.g
And here, too... you could always get ideas that were otherwise suppressed out if you could afford to run copies, or has a scam in place to get them for free. I think in a way that zines and fliers (wheat paste, anyone?) were as central to those days as the music. (Anyone remember the Daily Impulse?)
Great clips. Donahue was a big ass back then, huh, like a stooge with a microphone. At least his shows were all like this and allow punk fans to look back on the times when they were considered "freaks." I'm a Ministry fan, and it cracks me up that Uncle Al looked like that.
I was a punk rocker then my bald spot started to form.
It's about the music my brother, you're still a punk 🤘
Wow, has it been 27 years already?
38 years now lol damn near 40
audience member with an SPK shirt!!
If you're referring to the guy at 4:47 I thought the the same thing "wow SPK t-shirt cool" but if you pause it, you can see it actually says JFK
9:42
Al Jorgensen said 3 words this whole thing...."i dont know". Thats it
Nah he said a bit more than that haha
OG HOLLYWOOD 80's PNX ! LOS ANGELES DEATH SQUAD
@fickifickmaster Why did that stop you? :)
I was one of them. Lol
I grew up and have a normal life.
Lol.
What the fuck was talking near the end?
I think the idea behind it all is trying to be relevant in one's existence. Trying to feel important. It's also the principle behind evolution. If there's no breaking of the "standard pattern" there's no evolution in life. It would all be basically single cell living beings. But the intensity/speed of the breaking away from the pattern is what differs. All the socially conformed teenagers from the 80's are "punk rebels" compared to their grandparents in their teen years. It's a slower mutation.
meanwhile crack was punk rocking the ghetto
What I'm saying is that, even though each and everyone of us try to break out of a "standard pattern", each of us will end up in a "pattern". It's only the names that differ, all of us are the same. It's perfectly normal that we want to be unique all the way... but sometimes, that's really impossible. And maybe it's better this way, because it's because of this we can socialize, make friends and create wonderful principles/ideas/entities that can help everybody in their everyday lives...
Al Jourgensen = the only one making sense on the panel @10:14
funny, now days if you walk down the street and see a guy or girl with a mohawk its perfectly normal.
He repeatedly ignores the people on stage and takes more opinions from the audience.
All the old people in the audience who just didn't get it are probably all dead by now . Sooooo..... we won , or something , I guess . Right ?
small mercies 😂
the strang ones here are the ones who bleave in god
Nothing like judging someone by way they look it same as if someone was fat mentally handicapped dirty clothes because they're poor when the lady's in crowd look like they have wigs
Al, al, al, wow you are very confused
there is no point in rebelling like this and trying to be different than"society' why not just be who you are on the inside and not have to show it to other people, if you dont care what other people think about you, why not just make your life easier and open up more opportunities, it is pretty logical if you think about it?
Don't assume that the popular way to live is the best way to live.
While many compete to earn popular jobs, few stray from that direction. Yes, difficulties arise for those few, but in comparison to the difficulties that normal competitors face, the few face UNUSUAL difficulties. It's generally harder to tackle unusual struggles, certainly. However, every difficulty comes in a different degree. Tackling unusual problems spawns creativity.
Now consider the amount of privilege that gets normal competitors...
-Through school with good grades.
-Through expensive colleges with extra money.
-Through unemployment with connections (family, church, etc.).
Those who are highly unprivileged are forced to be creative to survive.
So while the masses climb the inadequate amount of popular ladders, the few who stray from conformity are building their own ladders. Both sides have casualties.
Again, don't assume that the POPULAR way to live is the BEST way to live.
We do not live in a meritocracy, and the value of privilege has inflated.
Please tell me you know what this means. I don't want to assume from your poor writing that you don't read often, but that's logic. I believe you would be a lot more skeptical of conformity if you really valued learning and read more.
World History is a good place to start. Read about the last century of your country's history on your own. It's not hard. You'll learn why wealth distribution has become grossly disparate, why privilege has become less attainable, etc. You'll also sympathize with people who stray from conformity because very rarely is choice a matter in one's welfare.
Aaron Treno Isn't that exactly the same as what they are already doing? You're suggesting that everyone be uniform in appearance and 'fit in' with society on a whole, that is just as extreme as these kids trying to look 'different'.. I don't see a problem in people dressing how they want to, and looking a little different from what the rest of mainstream society thinks is "normal", but why do you think that extreme would be better than the other?
Personally I think that the kids depicted in this program, and the alleged "statement" that they are trying to make within the punk rock community in general is actually incredibly hypocritical. But, in regards to society as whole, and in response to your particular comment, I don't understand why you believe anyone should internalize individuality or their personality? That seems rather fascist. No one should be discriminated against for any purpose (with the exception of legitimately inappropriate behavior, such as criminal acts of harassment, violence or bullying with intent to cause harm- such as racism, anti-Semitism, misogyny and homophobia), so long as a person is not harming anyone else than why should they not be treated with the same respect as a person who is considered "normal"? And in this day and age what is defined as "normal"? And why do you consider outward expressions of individuality to necessarily be a form of rebellion? And rebellion against what?
Rebellion in general is part of the status quo and a healthy form of expression, especially in today's international political climate. Young people are urged to share their opinions and become active in their communities, why should that be internalized and not expressed openly?
I understand the frustration of a person dying their hair blue and putting 00 gauges through their noses turning around and saying "Don't look at me!" or being offended that people stare, or ask them questions about it, because that is not discrimination; That is normal human curiosity, and there is nothing wrong with blue hair and 00 gauged septum piercings, however when you do those sort of things to your appearance you don't have the right to turn around and be angry that you get funny looks or that people don't understand..
Anyway, I, frankly, just don't understand why you think it would be better for society to be uniform in appearance and expressive only through their personality and internal selves, instead of outwardly expressive and openly different. That is like if these kids were saying 'everyone should look like us' instead of "everyone should be themselves". Nobody is exactly the same, we are all different, in our culture individuality is a positive trait, so; How then would you define what is "normal" and "acceptable" and what then, would that uniformity you suggest, look like? Especially in today's cultural/political atmosphere.
But you don't know these people as individuals. I'm sure some of them are and WERE doing things to make the world better outside just donning the punk uniform. Focusing on the external is shallow, which is the whole point. "Don't judge a book by its cover" definitely applies.
Ai created the trans movement, wow.