We had an entire team running this rifle and the revolver last night, on Bots 7, Aesir Pass, night side. One guy had nearly 300 kills without a single death and he was in the thick of it the entire time, we're talking close enough to make melee viable. I know it's a meme weapon but it goes hard as hell.
@@cropstalk8398 You may not have seen but I did say. It was Bots, difficulty 7 - what me and my group usually play on, as we typically only play past midnight and don't want anything too strenuous.
stripper clip is all i ask. damage is fine and performance is alright for a joke weapons. some people need to stop being so harsh on a free gift weapons....if this was EA. they will tell you to buy it instead of gifting it to you.
If they gave it wood stock I would respect the lower damage, but with the polymer stock I think it deserves just a little more damage. Stripper clips and slightly higher rof would be perfect. Helldivers train since birth, they'd be super proficient with their free gifted rifle. Armor 4 pen would be ridiculous and unnecessary 15-20% damage buff, fast reload on empty, slighly faster rate of fire, and it would be perfect as a bottom tier joke weapon, but still usable by skilled players even at high levels It would still have less range, damage, and smaller magazine than the counter sniper, making it significantly worse in ever way.
based on an early office photo people said the devs only balance on red difficulties(background was blurry so red is all we could make out for difficulty) and with only good coordinated teams since they share the same couch. Back then the joke was "Devs only test on high difficulty with non-random teams and are too good at the game" when escalation of freedom stream happened they had 2 PSN news reporters playing with 2 devs on difficulty 5 and suddenly the joke became "devs only test on low difficulty."
no, it should have stripper clip fast reload from empty. I am someone who thinks AP4 on a revolver is a meme (its to placate the discord, not actually what the devs want)
@@s_t_r_a_y_e_d ap 4 revolver makes sense, its high damage low ammo heavy armor pen weapon, there is only 1 primary with heavy armor pen right now which is flame thrower. and ton of support wepaons with ap 4, dont see a problem as long as it doesnt out shine support or primary weapons.
@@DaaHelait would change a LOT. medium pen vs medium armor deals only 65% of damage But if it had heavy pen like Senator - it would be dealing 100% damage against medium armor. And medium armor is kinda common in enemies. Even in smaller ones.
It is a suprisingly capable weapon for a joke weapon. If they wanted to make it truly viable, i think it would only need a bump to it raw damage, say from 180 to 250/350 or a bump to AP 4 with a durable damage increase from 50 to 80/90. Some people seemed to have been expecting this thing to hit like a truck. Maybe Arrowhead should play into that perception. I'm fine with it being a meme weapon personally, it's the ceremonial gun of the Helldivers after all.
I was hoping it was gonna have AP4 on release senator or not it definitely should have. Low damage itself with a fun melee capability while having a niche utility use via AP4 would be a good place for it to be in
It's a headshot beast. If you can aim and land your shots consistently on enemy heads, this weapon can score you some serious end-game stats. I ran it on Diff 10 bots and walked away with a solid 250 kills. Sure, it's not the best, but it feels great to use and can pretty much oneshot almost all bot types except for the heavy armor variants.
This *maybe* can be useful if this has more damage, more armor penetration, and clip-loader. The fact that Senator revolver have more damage than actual rifle is kinda strange
they should do some shit like "do to popular demand, a new and improved modern constitution is being produced." idk, maybe a classics refurbished warbond or something, old style stuff, given a touch up.
the Diligence is equal or superior in every way except a slight difference in stagger force and the bayonet having more damage and AP3. Although i expect other guns will also get the bayonet as an upgrade through some gun mod system later.
@@Garrettx40 i too don't recommend this weapon. But it is very fun to pair it with the melee passive boosting armor and bodyshotting hunters and decapitating warriors with it in one hit. Again, i don't recommend it for high-stakes missions.
Thats good! Weapons like these are meant for challenge runs. You want such weapons to be obviously weaker than other weapons, and have a high skill floor just to be considered viable (like being a precision dependent weapon with iron sights), yet also fun to use, reliable enough that any missed shot can’t be blamed on the gun, and rewards high skill gameplay (such as headshots or risky melee) juuuust enough that the sucky weapon becomes “decent enough” in the hands of skilled players. Its actually tricky to make a good challenge weapon. If the gun is too unreliable, luck dependent, or unfun, its just a garbage weapon. But if the gun is too good in the hands of skilled player, its just a sleeper pick. A challenge gun can be surprisingly effective in the right hands as the video shows, but should ALWAYS feel like there are better choices (such as the revolver, or counter sniper).
well it a free weapon...you either accept it or don't. i think people are too harsh on it because they finally get the first Bolt action rifle in a year where laser is a thing. of course it gonna suck, idk what people gonna expect out of it. it even stated within the weapon itself "not fit for modern combat".
@@cropstalk8398 it is kinda viable. It just extremely slow. I would like for a stripper clip tho and then we are golden. If you play battlefield 1, calibre is a joke weapon. I dont see people complain about it. The rifle is considered the calibre of helldivers. How come no one talk about those jokes weapons in other game but helldivers does it and people complain why a joke weapon suck?? That doesnt seem fair now aint it??
Seeing two stalkers just stand there instead of just persistently chasing you across the map is super cursed.
like OP's shooting...
They were in the middle of a mating session
We had an entire team running this rifle and the revolver last night, on Bots 7, Aesir Pass, night side. One guy had nearly 300 kills without a single death and he was in the thick of it the entire time, we're talking close enough to make melee viable. I know it's a meme weapon but it goes hard as hell.
what difficulty
he said the funny song🤑
@@cropstalk8398 You may not have seen but I did say. It was Bots, difficulty 7 - what me and my group usually play on, as we typically only play past midnight and don't want anything too strenuous.
NOOOO HE SAID THE FUNNY SONG NOOOOOOO
He's in the thick of it
Lot of people thinking to add higher damage/pen4 when the best upgrade would be to give it stripper clips for faster reload on empty.
stripper clip is all i ask. damage is fine and performance is alright for a joke weapons. some people need to stop being so harsh on a free gift weapons....if this was EA. they will tell you to buy it instead of gifting it to you.
If they gave it wood stock I would respect the lower damage, but with the polymer stock I think it deserves just a little more damage.
Stripper clips and slightly higher rof would be perfect. Helldivers train since birth, they'd be super proficient with their free gifted rifle.
Armor 4 pen would be ridiculous and unnecessary
15-20% damage buff, fast reload on empty, slighly faster rate of fire, and it would be perfect as a bottom tier joke weapon, but still usable by skilled players even at high levels
It would still have less range, damage, and smaller magazine than the counter sniper, making it significantly worse in ever way.
2 months ago POV: devs testing stuff on difficulty 3
based on an early office photo people said the devs only balance on red difficulties(background was blurry so red is all we could make out for difficulty) and with only good coordinated teams since they share the same couch. Back then the joke was "Devs only test on high difficulty with non-random teams and are too good at the game"
when escalation of freedom stream happened they had 2 PSN news reporters playing with 2 devs on difficulty 5 and suddenly the joke became "devs only test on low difficulty."
I get it is a meme weapon, but man it would slap so much more if it had like ap pen 4 just like P-4 Senator.
It wouldnt change a lot honestly, it would be good against hulks and thats about it i think
It needs durable damage
It's pen is enough put the damage after an pen is very low
no, it should have stripper clip fast reload from empty.
I am someone who thinks AP4 on a revolver is a meme (its to placate the discord, not actually what the devs want)
@@s_t_r_a_y_e_d ap 4 revolver makes sense, its high damage low ammo heavy armor pen weapon, there is only 1 primary with heavy armor pen right now which is flame thrower. and ton of support wepaons with ap 4, dont see a problem as long as it doesnt out shine support or primary weapons.
@@DaaHelait would change a LOT.
medium pen vs medium armor deals only 65% of damage
But if it had heavy pen like Senator - it would be dealing 100% damage against medium armor.
And medium armor is kinda common in enemies. Even in smaller ones.
It is a suprisingly capable weapon for a joke weapon. If they wanted to make it truly viable, i think it would only need a bump to it raw damage, say from 180 to 250/350 or a bump to AP 4 with a durable damage increase from 50 to 80/90. Some people seemed to have been expecting this thing to hit like a truck. Maybe Arrowhead should play into that perception. I'm fine with it being a meme weapon personally, it's the ceremonial gun of the Helldivers after all.
I was hoping it was gonna have AP4 on release senator or not it definitely should have. Low damage itself with a fun melee capability while having a niche utility use via AP4 would be a good place for it to be in
It's a headshot beast. If you can aim and land your shots consistently on enemy heads, this weapon can score you some serious end-game stats. I ran it on Diff 10 bots and walked away with a solid 250 kills. Sure, it's not the best, but it feels great to use and can pretty much oneshot almost all bot types except for the heavy armor variants.
This is my new go to weapon by then I can scream "Fix Bayonets!" and "Tennoheika Banzai!"
This *maybe* can be useful if this has more damage, more armor penetration, and clip-loader. The fact that Senator revolver have more damage than actual rifle is kinda strange
Pretty brutal
To it's user
Could be the ultimate weapon with perfect accuracy
Fun fact, according to the lore constitution rifle is a copy of m1903 Springfield.
What's your source
@@wasdwazd helldivers 1
they should do some shit like "do to popular demand, a new and improved modern constitution is being produced." idk, maybe a classics refurbished warbond or something, old style stuff, given a touch up.
put the tank from the first game in there.
To everyone who likes this weapon: You tried the Diligence Counter Sniper? Its the better gun in every way possible...
the Diligence is equal or superior in every way except a slight difference in stagger force and the bayonet having more damage and AP3. Although i expect other guns will also get the bayonet as an upgrade through some gun mod system later.
@@johannhawk8471 Sorry, but the one thing i dont want to do in Helldivers is Melee... i want my Enemys as far away from me as possible.
@@Garrettx40 i too don't recommend this weapon.
But it is very fun to pair it with the melee passive boosting armor and bodyshotting hunters and decapitating warriors with it in one hit. Again, i don't recommend it for high-stakes missions.
bro every weapon can do these
and better
Out of all the weapons this one would be dead last. I would use a Secondary the whole time if i had to use it.
Thats good! Weapons like these are meant for challenge runs. You want such weapons to be obviously weaker than other weapons, and have a high skill floor just to be considered viable (like being a precision dependent weapon with iron sights), yet also fun to use, reliable enough that any missed shot can’t be blamed on the gun, and rewards high skill gameplay (such as headshots or risky melee) juuuust enough that the sucky weapon becomes “decent enough” in the hands of skilled players.
Its actually tricky to make a good challenge weapon. If the gun is too unreliable, luck dependent, or unfun, its just a garbage weapon. But if the gun is too good in the hands of skilled player, its just a sleeper pick. A challenge gun can be surprisingly effective in the right hands as the video shows, but should ALWAYS feel like there are better choices (such as the revolver, or counter sniper).
@@Type-os you are gifted of brain
well it a free weapon...you either accept it or don't. i think people are too harsh on it because they finally get the first Bolt action rifle in a year where laser is a thing. of course it gonna suck, idk what people gonna expect out of it. it even stated within the weapon itself "not fit for modern combat".
@@ZzVinniezZ it’s a video game atleast make it viable.
@@cropstalk8398 it is kinda viable. It just extremely slow. I would like for a stripper clip tho and then we are golden.
If you play battlefield 1, calibre is a joke weapon. I dont see people complain about it. The rifle is considered the calibre of helldivers. How come no one talk about those jokes weapons in other game but helldivers does it and people complain why a joke weapon suck?? That doesnt seem fair now aint it??
maybe on difficulty 5 and below
slaps harder on bugs than bots, its just worse counter sniper. it doesnt have good breakpoints though.
It would be cool if you could also block attacks but ig this isnt this sort of game lol
Brutal to your team!ates calling you in every two.minutes...
you might as well use the counter sniper at this point
???
rifle is fine.