One thing I kinda forget to mention: Thorns' arts DOT is a fixed number regardless of his current attack, which means the now stackable DOT will help him out even more during off-skill. Yes it sometimes make enemies die faster which compromises his skill charging a bit, but he IS very threatening off-skill now, it can make the difference between life and death, or leak vs. no leak. That's also the reason why Quercus is no longer required in the second footage (2:25)
I'm not sure if this is a good place to ask but it's relevant to Thorns, so... Logos' 2nd Talent gives a flat arts damage bonus to received arts damage. Does it affect Thorns' DoT? Or Blue Poison's DoT (Since her DoT works differently, iirc)? Or does it need to be strictly a direct arts attack?
@@fallenwisp5001 it does but the entire durations of the dot only trigger it once, and not every instance of damage in the dot trigger it if I don't remember wrong
@@rainzerdesu I agree, while she should only inflict up to cold on every default attack (as in she can't freeze on default), letting her freeze on skill activation on Mod-Lv3 could be fair. Making her cold rely on RNG like her S2 bind is just worse since it’ll just be unreliable.
Really cool how a complete non-factor of a talent was turned into an actual cornerstone of his kit. Stuff like this is what makes modules so fun when they're designed well
@@Zack_Zander her talent *isn't* a non-factor, unfortunately As someone with a raised frostleaf i feel yall but i dont wanna harp on it too much id rather chill and focus on the good
@@char1194 If for whatever reason they can't let her inflict cold on every bit (not inflicting freeze), I felt that they could’ve at least let her guaranteed to inflict cold during her skills attack. 25% just rely on too much RNG which feels more like a detriment.
@@bellseb me.... or perhaps, my past self before this videos comes out I guess, I was hoping that they improved his DPH significantly, like how they did with SilverAsh's "deals increased damage to Elite Enemies" But oh well, Thorns' increased stats + stacking DOT is actually make a big improvement now
yeah, people who judged modules bad just because of the difference in DPH is not that much is just need to broaden their horizon. Comparison video with and without module in the best and worst case scenario is the best indicator of how the module upgrade is good or not.
@@sorashizen5130 well no he isn't a gen1 op, but he's definitely one of the classics, been there for quite some time, he's even on the rookie banner along with silverash and weedy.
as a thorny lover and still an avid user of him im so glad this module is fairly good. i love using him, i love this new skin, thorn lovers are winning big
Thanks Mr. Dragon for the video. Ever since I miraculously pulled Thorns in 10 pulls as a F2P from the Dorothy-Thorns banner a while back, he's always been one of my favorite carries. Very excited for his module.
If all goes well, his second module is guaranteed to give him 15% Physical dodge. And it should upgrade the talent that already gives Physical dodge. If all goes well, he could become a true threat against Physical damage.
it seem that his module kind of have the same trade-off similar to cantabile S1 not having it upgraded mean longer to kill enemies means more DP/SP from 1 target, having it upgraded make them more reliable but will hinder their DP/SP they can get from each target.
She really should have guaranteed cold infliction (without allowing it to freeze on default) instead of a measly 25% with her already decreased ASPD, or at the very least make it so her skills guarantee the infliction.
I also prefer his shopping skin... I feel like he looks too expressionless for the dynamic pose in the new one. But the kick still makes me consider buying it xD
great, frost leaf module is a joke, HG 100% know that she is sht, despite that fact, she has now a sht module whit her, INSTEAD OF FIXING her WITH A MODULE HG made a 1 april joke on her, nice. thorn module is overkill, silverslash too, they didin't need module at first place. this is like turn off your brain and thorns it or silverslah it moment. can't whait to see mlynar module that gives him omega overdamage. ohhh i get it now, the logos and w alter is too strong yea , old 6 stars look bad when compared to them yea ok , hg ok.
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One thing I kinda forget to mention:
Thorns' arts DOT is a fixed number regardless of his current attack, which means the now stackable DOT will help him out even more during off-skill. Yes it sometimes make enemies die faster which compromises his skill charging a bit, but he IS very threatening off-skill now, it can make the difference between life and death, or leak vs. no leak. That's also the reason why Quercus is no longer required in the second footage (2:25)
I'm not sure if this is a good place to ask but it's relevant to Thorns, so...
Logos' 2nd Talent gives a flat arts damage bonus to received arts damage. Does it affect Thorns' DoT?
Or Blue Poison's DoT (Since her DoT works differently, iirc)?
Or does it need to be strictly a direct arts attack?
@@fallenwisp5001 it does but the entire durations of the dot only trigger it once, and not every instance of damage in the dot trigger it if I don't remember wrong
When HG cooked in one patch Thorns+SA+Quibai modules and then there's Frostleaf
The module really feels like consolation prize for those E2-ed Frostleaf
@@maisjaki hardly seems a consolation. should have been removing the aspd penalty. They could have made her the Lappland of cold application
@@rainzerdesu
I agree, while she should only inflict up to cold on every default attack (as in she can't freeze on default), letting her freeze on skill activation on Mod-Lv3 could be fair.
Making her cold rely on RNG like her S2 bind is just worse since it’ll just be unreliable.
Who? lmao
Please take out Qiubai module from the list, its the worst 6* module in history.
Really cool how a complete non-factor of a talent was turned into an actual cornerstone of his kit. Stuff like this is what makes modules so fun when they're designed well
Meanwhile Frostleaf…
@@Zack_Zander her talent *isn't* a non-factor, unfortunately
As someone with a raised frostleaf i feel yall but i dont wanna harp on it too much id rather chill and focus on the good
@@char1194
If for whatever reason they can't let her inflict cold on every bit (not inflicting freeze), I felt that they could’ve at least let her guaranteed to inflict cold during her skills attack.
25% just rely on too much RNG which feels more like a detriment.
And people still call this mod bad. The math proves it's at least a decent boost to his damage output. Helps him catch up to today's standards.
I guess Wisadel and Logos broke people's perception of DPS and total dmg
Who is calling this module bad??
@@bellsebmajority comment on Lappipi Video "Thorn Modules"
@@bellseb me.... or perhaps, my past self before this videos comes out
I guess, I was hoping that they improved his DPH significantly, like how they did with SilverAsh's "deals increased damage to Elite Enemies"
But oh well, Thorns' increased stats + stacking DOT is actually make a big improvement now
yeah, people who judged modules bad just because of the difference in DPH is not that much is just need to broaden their horizon. Comparison video with and without module in the best and worst case scenario is the best indicator of how the module upgrade is good or not.
His new outfit gives Thorns a crucial role as a laneholder backing up Vulcan and Wai Fu in the kicknights niche.
Showing some love for one of the OGs. This is great news for my friend who is playing again after years.
Lol Thorns OG ? 😅 He came a year after AK released. Not even 1st year operator 😐
And then there's frostleaf
Except that thorns wasn't one of the originals
@@dragichav2810 dude he's 4 years in, hes a early second generation op (some people even think he's a launch op btw), what are you talking?
@@sorashizen5130 well no he isn't a gen1 op, but he's definitely one of the classics, been there for quite some time, he's even on the rookie banner along with silverash and weedy.
The music matching with his new outfit is so good lol
Shred on the flamenco, Zorro.
The god of AFK returns!
He was never gone, but now he's on the road again baybee.
Thorns module is good despite what some people thinking 👌
Day 5 of waiting for Ulpian on EN server
It will be a long wait... stay strong, we have to
Well Ulpi is upon us!
as a thorny lover and still an avid user of him im so glad this module is fairly good. i love using him, i love this new skin, thorn lovers are winning big
Thorns' theme is so good
He got poison in his boots bro nasty
it's all the sea-salt
Sea urchin c-
@@parko-nib Blud is nasty frfr
Bro after seeing thorn module, now I really want Bluepoison module make her talent stackable like him.
Seeing a side-by-side makes "a little" attack speed look way stronger than it feels.. Y'know besides Horn with Saileach lol
Thanks Mr. Dragon for the video. Ever since I miraculously pulled Thorns in 10 pulls as a F2P from the Dorothy-Thorns banner a while back, he's always been one of my favorite carries. Very excited for his module.
The video has the beautiful music. Thank you Dragon
I'm pretty sure the song is Thorns' character theme
I'm so envious CN gets this stuff before EN does and I just have to sit here, in anticipation, for my favorite operator to get the new update.
Pre farm his module.
This module's existence only makes Blue Poison's module even more of a crime.
Damn, can't wait to get the module for my thorns.
IF I HAVE HIM
You can get him for free on CN now, choosing between him, SA, and several other og 6*
@@diobrando4024 wait really? How?
@@parko-nib there's a new 6* selector ticket in CN, and one of the selection is Thorns
@@diobrando4024 when will we get this? is it the Pepe event?
@@natriz6722 yep
nah the true killer is the skin. sick AF
2:42 thorn kick when offskill attacking block enemies 😂
Of the four cornerstone operators, it seems like Mountain gets the least improvement in mods
A bit of a shame, but then he's very cheap dp wise and very low maintenance for what he does :p
If all goes well, his second module is guaranteed to give him 15% Physical dodge. And it should upgrade the talent that already gives Physical dodge. If all goes well, he could become a true threat against Physical damage.
it's the price he pays for being one of the best set-and-forget units in the game
in calculations he gets 30% more dps
sick module
now that blaze and him are restored my brain can rest
We all know it's his skin that causes him to do more DPS, and not his module...
Tbh, even if they say it's bad, I want it max, my poor thorns ain't doing damage at all to the new 2024 bosses
man I've been sleeping on this module. Because all my LMDs gone to Federico, Ascalon, Logos n Wis'adel promotion/modules 😅
Yooooo!
Team Aegir featured in the Rat King map. Love it
Really love the module. It enhance Thorn overall capabilites as afk ops. People might still call it useless but i love it so much.
one of my favorite types of videos on the channel! good to see thorns finally shining as a mixed damage unit like i always wanted
Thank you for your hard work!!
The ost in the background are 🔥
As a player who lacks a lot in arts damage operator, i see this as an absolute advantage 👏 nice improvements HG
it seem that his module kind of have the same trade-off similar to cantabile S1
not having it upgraded mean longer to kill enemies means more DP/SP from 1 target,
having it upgraded make them more reliable but will hinder their DP/SP they can get from each target.
I misread his name on the title as Thomas 😭
Thorns the DoT Engine
They cooked with this module. And the damage difference is noticeable
Thank you for doing this.
Thorns is back baby
All of the lord modules are great, then there's Frostleaf module
She really should have guaranteed cold infliction (without allowing it to freeze on default) instead of a measly 25% with her already decreased ASPD, or at the very least make it so her skills guarantee the infliction.
Oh my, this is incredible
Now give this module to my BP and will really be vibin.
I just got silverash from shop, cant wait for his mod and skin ^^
I'm still waiting for thorns l2d skin HG
People act like he got the Fartooth treatment for goodness sake
am i the only one who liked Thorns' first skin more than the latest?
I also prefer his shopping skin... I feel like he looks too expressionless for the dynamic pose in the new one. But the kick still makes me consider buying it xD
🅱estreza
Can you do a video like this for lappland? And maybe qiubai too?
HG cooked his module so hard they forgot to cook his lore
I know right? I wanted more screen time of him...thorns appearing in anime is a dream at this point
Alchemy event coming up, all is forgiven
Ugh, I need more mod blocks...
Frostnova's module dies so that Thorn's can live
So FristNova did end up joining Rhodes Island...
(let us pretend that my spelling mistake is part of the joke)
Frostnova?
@@Zack_Zanderi was wondering why u were confused before i remembered her name was frostleaf and not nova 💀💀
@@haatsunemiku
Frostnova has turned to ash and dust,
Frostleaf is so forgettable that my brain went immediately to Frostnova
nu uh, im sorry but how do i know its the module and not the skin? maybe the costume is so slay it increases the damage output
Juicy content.
What content was too hard for thorns and blaze before the mods?
Mostly high DEF enemies that they can't tackle without modules
This module is nice thought i will get the SA module first cause i don't use thorn very often
I LOVE THORNS CAINT WAIT FOR SKIN ON EN
Does his pot 5 talent increase help him to deal more dot?
So... When does this module appear in global?
How much time until Reclamation Algorithm 2 releases?
Best guess is late July. So a bit under 2 months.
Thorny
His new skin him From throwing Yellow liquid to throwing Brown liquid,it more ripe
0:13 is 135 + 10 = 150 ? v:
With module, it's 135(+10) at pot 1, 150(+10) at pot 3.
The potential increases it from 135 to 150, not the module
Its 135/150, as in 135 *_OR_* 150 due to potentials
Im a new player and Ivebeen struggling to clear ce5, and this guy just... Lol
great, frost leaf module is a joke, HG 100% know that she is sht, despite that fact, she has now a sht module whit her, INSTEAD OF FIXING her WITH A MODULE HG made a 1 april joke on her, nice.
thorn module is overkill, silverslash too, they didin't need module at first place.
this is like turn off your brain and thorns it or silverslah it moment.
can't whait to see mlynar module that gives him omega overdamage.
ohhh i get it now, the logos and w alter is too strong yea , old 6 stars look bad when compared to them yea ok , hg ok.
Does anyone know when Thorns will be in the shop?
Or when is the next 'pick your 6* pack?
I need this man 🥹