Gang patch ban: Members warn of potential for violence to 'erupt' as new laws enforced | RNZ
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- RNZ Reporter Alexa Cook sat down with senior members of the Mongrel Mob and Black Power gangs who don't believe members will obey the new law banning patches and insignia, which came into effect at midnight, November 21.
Reporter: Alexa Cook
Video: Paul Taylor & Marika Khabazi
I'm Maori & ex patched member, absolutely nothing is positive reasoning to allow this culture to continue in Nz. Change needs to start somewhere. The ban is good and works in Queensland. It's awesome to never see patches around.
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The problem we natives have tribes, no such thing , ngati gang , and , police is a patch , , nzp ,is the , emblem , ,the flag is a pirates flag ,
Police is the gang members , , there no such think government , the meaning of government is to manipulate and brainwash people's minds ,
We all been lied from propaganda media , politicians , maritime admiralty politicians policies is not laws , IT IS A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS POLICIES ,
PEOPLE BEING LIED THAT POLICIES IS LAWS , 😮😮😮 , A PATCH ,IS AN EMBLEM , THERE FOR EMBLEM IS NOT A BROKEN RULE , 😂😂😂 ,
The system is about the courtroom a play school , 😂😂😂 , learn about it , it about sueing people name not yourself , DONT BE YOUR NAME ,,
BE A PERSON 😅😅😅 , LEARN ABOUT THE COURTROOM SYSTEM ,CESTEI QUI VEI , SALVAGE ,MAGNA CARTER ,BIBLE ,UNIVERSAL INCOME , MARITIME ADMIRALTY POLITICIANS POLICIES , LAW OF THE LAND , STRAWMAN , know your rights ,know what law means , , I know the system 😂😂😂 SOVEREIGNTY READ BI LE HIGHEST LAW BOOK 😂😂😂 ,
The TREATY HAS TO BE FOUGHT IN COURT , TO SOVEREIGNTY IT AND TO SOVEREIGNTY ALL NATIVES , TRIBES , NO GOOD MATCHING TO BEEHIVE ,
BEES CANT UNSTAND PEOPLE THEY JUST STING US , 😮😮😮😮 GET IT , MORE OF US , LESS OF THEM ,
SHOULD WATCH WIZARD OF OZ (CESTEI QUI VEI) JASON BOURNE ( BIRTHCERTIFICATE ) PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN ( SALVAGE ) BRITTISH ROYALS PIRATES TERRORISTS , SOVEREIGNTY 1835 , , CAPTAIN COOK DISCOVERY 1776 , 1779 free mason , brittish royalty pirates ,planned for ONE WORLD ORDER , , TERRORISM , GANG POLICIES , 1780S BLACK BEARD ,BRITTISH ,FRANCE , PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN , TO FOUND ONE WORLD ORDER , 1840
HENCE NEW CONTRACT , BECAUSE KING WILLIAM DIED , , CONTRACT IS QUEEN VICTORIA SHE DIED , THE CONTRACT IS THIRD PARTY ,
FAKE NAME GOVERNMENT 😮😮😮 ILLEGAL FOR THIRD PARTY , DO PEOPLE THINK KING GEORGE , QUEEN ELIZABETH 1 ,QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 , KING CHARLIE'S , MAKE NEW CONTRACT , EACH NEW KING I WONDER WHY , BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT IS FALSE , AND THEY LOST AGAINST US THE FLAGS CHOPPED DOWN , THREE TIMES AND RAISED THE TRUE ENGLISH FLAG , NOT THE BRITTISH ROYALTY PIRATES , THEY DONT OWN, ENGLAND THE LAND ,
ONLY THEMSELVES NO 9NE CANT OWN LAND BUT TAKE CARE , THE LAND CANT SEE MONEY , GOLD , N, WE BEEN TREASON AND HOSTAGE , MAGNA CARTER , WE HAVE TO PAY , CORPORATIONS CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS POLICIES A PAPER , TO TRAVEL WE CANT FREE TRAVEL , BUT WE CAN NO ONE OWNS THIS WORLD , NOT EVEN ONE WORLD ORDER , MILLIONS OF DOLLARS STOLEN OUR NAMES IS TRADING ON WALL ST , 😮😮😮 , GOLD ,
SEARCH ALL AND SEARCH , TRUTH , ALL ABOUT WORDING , has anyone ever heard a government SPEAK, I never seen a government , HE OR SHE WHO EVER WHAT EVER , HAS NEVER SAID THEIR NAME , WHAT IS YOUR NAME , THANK YOU POLICE MAN FOR GIVING ME A NAME , MY NAME IS NAME ,
SHOULD WATCH B ILL TURNER NZ , , OH WATCH KING SPEECH , I LEARN WATCHING WIZARD OF OZ , JASON BOURNE , PIRATES (CARIBBEAN), MANY OTHERS , I CAN GO TO COURT FOR CHARGES ARREST MYSELF , GET OUT AND BE DISMISSED , NO CHARGES AND DONT HAVE TO SPEAK ,
AND ALL BECAUSE OF BREAKING MARITIME ADMIRALTY POLICIES , GOT TO HAVE 8NJURY TO A PARTY TO BE A CRIME , , WITNESS DONT SHOW UP CASE DISMISSED , DEAD MAN DOES NOT SHOW UP , CASE DISMISSED , , THREE FALSE ARREST CANT BE ARRESTED , JOKER IM ON YOURSIDE , DOUBLE JEOPARDY , KA METE KA METE , KA METE , PATU HEA , PATU TEA ,PATU EVERY WHERE , SOVEREIGNTY IN COURT FIGHT THE TREATY BOOM BOOM ,
THAT WHAT WHITE COMMUNIST DID THEY DID NOT CARE ABOUT TAMARIKI , AND KAUMATUA , SAME TIME AOTEAROA , CHINA , JAPAN ,CANADA, AUSTRALIA, AMERICA MANY OTHERS WAS BOMBED ALL AT ONCE , ONE WORLD ORDER , WAS FIRST WORLD WAR , 1840S , WE COMING UPTO A WORLD WAR 4 NOT 3 , I KNOW THIS IM NEPHEW TO QUEEN VICTORIA , , IKNOW POLICIES AND THEIR PROTOCOL , IT 8N THE B8BLE , REVALATION , 😂😂😂,
TREATY IS ABOUT REVALATION , AOTEAROA IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE , , THE SOUTH ISLAND THAT NAOHS ARK , , THE FISH THAT FEEDS THOUSANDS , ,
MOSES EXODUS , MOVEMENTS OF THE PEOPLE , UNCLE BOB KNEW , EVEN INDIA MYTHS AND LEGENGS SAME WITH MAORI , 😂😂😂 ,
HAVE FUN SEARCHING , BIBLE IS A SCHOLAR SCRIPT FROM THE PYRIMEDS, SO I SEARCH EYGPT , , , WHO THE ISRAELITE , PASIFIC ISLANDERS , NATIVES TRIBES AOTEAROA , MANY OTHER CULTURE , WE JUST THE GAURDIANS , , BUT IM THE G9D , BORN NATIVE IM THE REAL KING FOR ALL NATIVES , ,
ASKING , TO OWN PROPERTY , MUST HAVE FLAG , EMBLEM , NAME , PRIVATE PROPERTY , , NO AUTHORITIES CANNOT GO ON PROPERTY , , ,
Yeah, the cops come down really hard in QLD and there were no major violence issues. They even shut down their clubhouses. Also, if three or more known bikie gang members were seen in public together, non-patched and in normal clothes, they could be arrested for criminal consorting. This did happen to three blokes around that time.
Not really, they just went underground and made the little eshays feel brave because there's no one to reign in these little gangs of pussies.
Notice the dodgy smoke shops popping up??? Because they don't wear patches, they get left alone, mostly. They just opened the door for immigrant families from war torn countries to bring their sh!t to QLD.
@@warrenmilford6848 Now we have new gangs, with connections to war torn areas, being funded by dodgy tobacco. I'd rather the old school bikers, anyday.
Drive by shootings at homes were kids sleep, that little 2 year old who died on the couch because of a gang retaliation, her life stolen her parents and whanau shattered and for what over colours.
No that's usually over some beef between members. I have no idea in any one specific case. But if this is what people want to avoid then the patch ban needs to be reversed.
Puriri street Wanganui, I lived just a handful of houses down the road from where that happened. My brother used to be friends with Hayden Wallace who took the wrap
@@crazfullain the midst of beef a 2yr old looses her life how do you justify that?
@@crazfulla no fck your peach ! 😂😂
On one hand theyll cry about someone not liking them for the colour of their skin (which is fair enough) then on the other hand theyll fight someone for wearing a different coloured jacket. Make it make sense
I’m Māori there’s nothing to be proud about a patch that’s not our identity we need to do better and show better for our kids and their kids and so on.I got family on both sides I moved away for a better life and I’m happy I made the move for my family.
Same here my friend
Kaupapa pono bro. Fruitfulness, or fruitlessness.
The government Criminals with their gang of police and army still discriminate against us and still harass and try to oppress Maori
yozaa ahahah
I'm worried with powers to bust into a home based on a potentially patch based assumptions will impact non gang members too:'(.
I get sick of these gangsters trying to mix up gang culture with Māori culture to try and legitimise wearing these patches. It’s nothing to do with Māori culture although unfortunately it’s ingrained in many communities.
It's all about excuses and avoiding any kind of reasonable behaviour or accountability.
Like how they pretend theyre all about sandwiches and whanau, yet news reports of inter-gang, intra-gang, and random violence and murders are everywhere.
Let's all pretend patches and behaviour aren't an issue and it's everyone else's fault.
Both are scum
You must be a david semen member then cause it has everything to do with culture rock the patch all day everyday
What culture?
@@GHOSTDIVISION39indian
I grew up around that chapter. It was horrible and bad things happened to me and my girl cousins.
So sorry to hear that. Hope the people responsible where brought to justice.
@@petra2366 People never are till it's too late because of lack of evidence and people are scared to speak up I know I've been in situations
Taking patches won't change anything sadly towards that abuse
My good friend grew up in a gang family and him and his young cousins were preyed on by one of the uncles. They all turned a blind eye to it. Sick culture.
@@Bebedollie unfortunately minor parties and the likes sympathize with offenders not victims of Maori crimes.. - Shane Jones.
What " Culture " do Mongrel Mob represent , as one of New Zealand's biggest amphetamine dealers .💀
Criminal culture.
The culture of intimidating old ladies down at the Four square
@@TheSunofGod-j1gaurahing , meth and 2 million govt funding to them to rehab it.. circle of life .- lion king . Walt Disney.
All the same products pharmaceutical companies push cannabis included now
What's that got to do with this patch issue and what mongrel mob are you talking about not all chapters are on the same page weres your facts tough guy..yoza to that
I hate how New Zealand media reports on gang members like they're not violent criminal anarchist. This whole video seems like a sob story for gangs, using Maori culture as a reason
@@br5500 media know it's a cash cow story. Gang culture is famed or infamous superstar pop culture. Media and the interviewee out to make a dollar.. the click on boyzz.
Rnz pretty left leaning so anti this government
RNZ is filled with vile Marxist trash... That's why
They're not Your just weak lil bit@h who put his head down and keep his internet warrior mouth closed in front of any of them cause your raised a pus@y obviously the same mana you picked up from pitiful weak parents
And you read books, depending on what the cover looks like 🤦🏻
Banning patches won’t stop the violent crimes or any crime 🤦🏻
But you’re allowed your opinion like everyone, even though your comment is based on race 🤔
I’m Māori . I think this is a good law. Patches are intimidating and is not a korowai.
How is it intimidating? There`s not very many of them,just stay out of their way.
Do you feel the same about police gang patches?
Missing the point it’s a korowai to them not us.
Real question is would it be tougher for police to spot the criminals if that makes sense?
Screw these gangs, you aint tough, try being a single father working 60hrs a week to pay a mortgage and feed and clothe kids, try that for a week losers
True stuff, as Robert De Niro said in the mafia film the Bronx Tale "The working man is the tough guy"
Well said
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Hey brother in all fairness you haven't even been to visit any, 'gang' and take a freshly made Rewana to offer very basic humanitarian courtesy. You can't offer any negative opinion until you have at least greeted them properly. ❤
@@Kiwi-LSA Oh !
You mean the man obeying the system obeying like a sheep from nine to five .. so a man is goes along with the companies is a man of decency... ?
Be grateful the gangs keep us awake to the systems enslavement
Growing old is inevitable...
Growing up is optional.
That's gotta sting a little 😂😂
I see aging hasn't brought wisdom with these two, still living in the past, Many Kaumātua have said patches are not korowai and to adopt the swastika and phrase Sieg Heil is disrespectful to the soldiers of the Māori battalion who went to war.
@@Stomparr it's called maori cultures fate, it was inevitable. . Native American warriors saying, leave the fallen where they fell, onward and upward. Live.
What's disrespectful was fighting a war and coming home to land being confiscated and not being able to get a pension for fighting now that's disrespectful our use of the swastika was a fuck you to the crown that's why we place a German ww2 helmet on a British bulldog and our surnames changed to loose our titles to land but hey what would I know I'm just a disrespectful gang member another statistic in the system
Its disrespectful to ALL NZ soldiers
🤣🤣🤣you have no idea, until you do you should 🤫🤫🤫🤫
Swastika aren’t banned ?🤦🏻🤦🏻
You’re differently aloud your opinion though.
It wasn’t about disrespect to the soldiers at all, it was to disrespect the crown.
@@THE-PEDIGREE says you and who are you to me ? nothing so ill have my opinion and you can have yours and agree to disagree but don't go telling me i should shut my mouth , you don't have that right ( your attitude sucks a bit there ) maybe you should wear that swastika after all
A violent criminal playing the victim card.
Catch us if you can
Yet pedophiles roam the streets with impunity
Just like politicians..
Who introducedd Drugs in to newzealand alchohol, cars,cigaretts, wasnt Maoris but were all the Drunkards taking Drugs, Drunk Driving the very thing Introduced to Maori by Pakeha,.
@@petakarini7567learn some self control! It’s only been 200 years
Maori culture being tied with gangs is embarrassing, Maori culture should be about strong caring people, who don't need a patch or a gang because they are proud and confident within.
The gang was formed by EUROPEAN males...... white dudes......
But it's our culture???? So .000000001 percent of our indigenous population speak for us all?????
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Like the majority of Australians, New Zealanders have had enough of these criminal gangs.
A 70 year old man still in a street gang ffs what a role model 😂
Sad state of it.
Id love to see you say that to my uncle's face. Is that something you willing to do? Or are another one whom just runs there mouth without actually attaining any knowledge? Just curious?
@rotangmulisha6692 attaining knowledge of what? That the gang deals in drugs,crime,violence? What exactly should us,the law abiding people of New Zealand that have proper jobs and families that dont need to sell drugs and use violence to live,what knowledge do we need to know about these stupid gangs,what do gangs contribute to our society that is a positive??
Exactly the problem with gangs... Your reply is a Neanderthal response which instantly resorts to violence and aggression. Nice life fail..... @@rotangmulisha6692
@@rotangmulisha6692 why the fuk would I waist my time!
Our culture? That aint a korowai uncle
@@UPTHEWAHSDAY1 uncle rawiri doesn't acknowledge the difference either. A real Korowai and cuzzy korowai.
This is what a privileged and protected class looks like.
Well if that was the case these laws never would've been introduced, would they??😔😔 I don't believe in the gang's or what they stand for but I'm more concerned about government overreach and where it will end, the next law will be it's illegal to voice a negative opinion about politicians or the government just like they've done in the UK...
Deal
meth ,go to jail . What is the problem .
These clowns are violent small minded thugs. They are NOT kindly
old grandpas .
when did your culture become gang culture?
Fat Maori riding around with Leather vests to hide their man boobs. Copied american culture.
Culture is always changing and evolving
@@seansalter1679 Then it can evolve back
when they realised it was easier to smoke a joint than go to school
What do you think culture is? Its just a gang that grew really big.
The IQ test came back negative.
The gang members, or the media?
These people need to grow up, its like kids in little gangs except they are into illegal activities, it has nothing to do with culture. I have seen first hand guys putting on their leathers with their gang patch on thinking they are ten foot tall and bullet proof. Just grow up instead of living in some dream.
Yes exactly, its pathetic grown men doing skids on motorbikes, making hand signs, barking like dog, most people get over that when theyre like 10 years old
@@Criticont and being intimidating to the public, mno respect for the law by doing stupid antics as you say burn outs and other anti social things that is what they are 1% anti social thugs, ever wonder how some get to buy these Harley,s, there is a gang culture of theft of these bikes, I have no time for their rubbish. There are motorcycle clubs out there who respetc the law like the HOG Owners, Honda Owners, I was in the Ulysses Club one of the best with great bunches of people from all walks of life, it did not matter what you rode just as long as it was a bike or even if you did not ride a car or a camper were welcomed. I rode many miles with great friends and enjoyed the rallies that each group put on. We have a logo Grow Old Disgracefully and also there was a big patch that could be sewn to the back of the jacket. The club administrators advise the members not to wear them anymore as it attracted the attention of these other 1% gangs, could cause trouble, I still have mine. Interestingly the Mongrel Mob was started by a group of white guys, I knew one of them he was a laugh, RIP Benny miss your antics in the club and now a Maori gang
A man at his age should have learned something by now about being your own man through overcoming the trials and tribulations of life not pushing a colour for a gang
🏆AGREED!!!!
Agree but unfortunately he will cease to live that way and will never see light at the end. Old man that hasn’t grown up!
Gotta ask yaself Y are Maori joining gangs ??? Maybe that needs to be put forward in the house of corporations
@@Hup-cx5hpdrugs, sex, violence, gambling, etc. Its a lifestyle choice
@barbaraknowles2713 fraud by a fraudulent government
Oh the poor gang members, such fine up standing members of the community providing violence and drugs to a community near you
Way to drive a violent narrative RNZ. Maybe try to do something positive for Tangata Whenua. Do you know who are the biggest victims of gang violence? Māori, who are the biggest victims of gang deaths Māori. Māori are also the biggest group of theft and criminal activity. So it’s strange that you ignore the Māori victims but glorify the criminals?
Correct its been that way for 200+ years
Haha ancient tribal disputes are now Harley Davidson riding gang disputes. There is definitely a deep rooted instinct to be part of something bigger than themselves, whanua, Iwi, Hapu and brotherhood. Just the collateral damage that accompanies it is taking its toll on the Māori communities. Just like 200 years ago
@@PapamoaWest-r4qgreat speech
They're also the biggest perpetrators of those crimes.
Funny how you leave that out.
Main stream media at its finest 😂😂💩
Just because certain Maori claim the gangs are part of they're culture doesn't mean it is.
The recent hikoi had gang members as a center piece lol.
@@MikeJones-m6r Yeah walking in the hikoi is fine, protesting Maori business is fine, being Maori is fine, im saying don't connect your gang to Maori tikanga because they're not the same thing
imagine purposefully choosing a life of victimhood, must be exhausting
A small portion of society makes a very lucrative business out of crocodile tears. Those in NZ have been avid students of the "bankers". You can't question either without being labelled something -ist
Always playing the victim and denying the obvious truth. Grow up, take accountability and get a job. Not a good role model for your children aye
The sad part is that people think they need a patch to be somebody
no gang patch is not part of our maori culture and never was. its a invention of some fucked up person or persons who decided to make their own rules.
American hiphop "culture" is ruining their lives
Culture of crime, drugs, violence & abuse.
If violence erupts just know you gangsters will LOSE
I find it threatening. It's signifying you have the potential for violence at anytime, are party to the drug trade, support organized crime and the worst types of abuse and trauma on the public.
Sounds like you need a testosterone boost
So you need the govt to choose your clothes and dress you?
I agree, the problem is though we won't know who they are anymore.
@@bengutsell grow some balls if you're not gang affiliated and just going about your business the gangs don't care about you
Youd find it threatening if your neighbours dog shits on your lAwn,...
Im probably going to get huge backlash for this, but I reckon it's time for the patches to go. It's advertising gang culture, and it encourages the children to look up to gangs and all that goes with it. Too risky for the kids. So ban the patches.
Greens ...Labour and TPM will always put gangs before law abiding Kiwis. Build bigger jails...at least that protects the public.
Hasn't worked in America but yeah why not...try something that's never worked anywhere and you're guaranteed to get a different result. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@raywheeler3135 if gangs don't like a policy....all other citizens should support it.
@ProximaCentairi24 I don't support things that don't work. I don't want this government to waste money on the fashion police. The majority of people commit crime when they are not wearing a patch. Removing a patch will not magically stop crime.
Kaore,
a korowai is a korowai is not what our tupuna meant.
Gang insignia is not equal. Won’t miss it, not the end of the world.
RNZ gang sympathisers.
Yep, Typical leftie woke bs from RNZ and TVNZ
Don't ask me why woke media is dying
These patch laws work. We have them over here in Australia and the Bikies have basically vanished out of the main public eye for the most part. The damage its done on glamorizing and promoting these gangs have been significant. Dont pander to these dudes. Theyve never cared about society and running a muck amongst us, its their turn to get a taste now.
Bro needs to get a job 30 years ago,, and instead of sitting around all day ,,,clean the house 🎉🎉🎉
Fix the rot in the house!
House actually looked pretty clean 😊
@Atraa that's what she said
If you don’t know you should 🤫He’s been working for over 30 years, and yes he’s clean 🤯
who are you to think you know or to sit there and judge 🤦🏻🤫
@THE-PEDIGREE oh god another karen
Ex police member 32 years service. Street cop my entire service, in city’s and small towns.
I can tell you this absolute fact,
Gang member = criminal, full stop. This is way over due.
Sadly your ex gang is not without it's own criminality.
@@loop1479yes and when it’s been uncovered it’s been dealt with. Plenty of cops have been charged and fired. What’s ya point.
@@nevetswhy123 Yet it still exists is my point. So many get away with this criminality by using position and privilege. So many cases misdirected and evidence destroyed, families left without closure.
@@loop1479 BUT THEY DONT SELL POISON TO KIDS ! Stop trying to deflect that gangs are criminals ! Criminals are bad people - cops a good people ! Criminals hurt the communitys - cops protect the communitys ! 😊
@@nevetswhy123is that all?? charged and fired, how many were imprisoned for their crimes??
Due to my dad' job and now my job, i lived in over 20 countries in my life. I learnt to respect their culture. However, never ever in any of those countries, gang members tried to justify their culture on the news lol Its not a church gathering or friend coming over. If your action distrub others, you gotta fix it to fit in the society. If you dont want to follow the rule, go to the wild and live with the animals.
Maori have got plenty of culture to be proud of. Gangs and patches are not part of it.
These gangs do nothing good for anyone, and worst of all their poor children think it is cool to grow up and be a deadbeat gangster like their elders. Imagine if they traded the patch in for a graduation gown, now that would be the ultimate cool.
I'm Maori, I get it not wanting patches being worn in public.
If something is used to intimate people like weapons signs that can be offensive then that object can be banned to be displayed in public. A GANG PATCH does fit the bill. Sorry boys but that is just common law.
taking their patches wont change anything, the problem is what they do, not what they are wearing, taking their uniforms will just make it harder to identify them
No, they're easy to spot lol.
I know, I've lived among them my whole life.
Harder? Most of them are covered in tattoos. The bikes, the flash cars, they dress in a certain way and have that jail swagger.
@@MichaelJordanTennisShoes so do alot of people, that dosnt automatically mean gang affiliation
@@SNeeBLee Im going to assume you live in a good part of Auckland and have never really been around them. I lived 5 minutes up the road from the east auckland head hunter HQ so I know how they are.
@@MichaelJordanTennisShoes Henderson
REMOVING THE PATCH, WILL NOT CHANGE THE PERSON OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER.
It sends a clear message to gangsters, they are not wanted in society, and people don't want to see them on our streets, in our shops, or anywhere in public. Good Riddance!
Might make them feel a whole lot less supported when they can't tell who in a group is with or against them.
Everyone gets tough when they think they're surrounded by support.
@PKB239 maybe blessing in disguise for all NZ clubs , , 🤔
The point is to have them spending more time in prison, it's an easy excuse for police to take out groups. Not that hard to understand
So that means that having a patch doesn't mean anything.
The gangs will try to associate gang stuff with being Maori, the two are completely separate. Don't bring Te Ao Maori into your gang rubbish. Tihei Mauriora!
Not trying. It's already been done.
Patched gang members were walking at the front of the hikoi.
@@MikeJones-m6r Yeah walking in the hikoi is fine, protesting Maori business is fine, being Maori is fine, im saying don't connect your gang to Maori tikanga because they're not the same thing
It’s not Korowai
How insulting
Grow up , Manaaki Tangata
Lead with intelligence and integrity
Not intimidation and violence
Thats not Maori culture
Their behaviors are very much intimidating to peaceful community. One time, there were many gang bikers riding through Christchurch highway into city. Ridiculously loud exhaust, threatening and even children in the car got so scared 😢. Stupid to be proud of gangs.
Look, take their patches, and then civilian casualties will accur their patches differentiate themselves from civilians. This bill wasn't thought out properly, but hey, we live in new zealand we have no rights anymore 😂
Im māori, leave it at home & in the pads, not in public, as it draws attention to the opposing gangs, then the public get caught in the middle
If they are passports, I'd love to see him try to take that through an international airport lol
Idiot
It made it Australia & UK
Nayib Bukele in El Salvador locked up 70k gang members. The crime of just being in a criminal organisation. No actual crime was needed. He saved his country and made it safe again. He is my hero.
FACTS 💯
Korowai my ass lol it aint about your children or your grandchildren.😂😂
Labour n national know nothing of bill of rites hence the march
How about get real jobs
The gangs need to accept it is a reality they wont win,so going against it will only hurt their families
Don’t worry everyone else will be next, for what ever reason rules the government decides 🤦🏻
They pretend to care about their family
In Australia offensive tattoos must be covered ..by clothing or makeup....😕🤡
An IQ rating is not required to "earn" a patch, helping others out, empathy and community effort doesn't do it either. It is earned through a prospects willingness to hurt others through violence and illegal activities. Surely that alone means the patch has been "earned" through commission of crime and as such can be confiscated. All "right to wear what I want" and "this is my culture" arguments are BS. A true culture takes hundreds if not thousands of years to develop. True Maori culture is an amazing, community supporting, loving Taonga. To bastardize it and insert parts of it into gang beliefs is itself a crime I believe. I recommend anyone interested read the book True Red, by ex-Mongrel Mob Gang Leader Tuhoe 'Bruno' Isaac for greater insight as to how gangs operate and why banning patch wearing in public will help reduce the numbers and the harm they do in society.
Spot on
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"A true culture takes hundreds if not thousands of years to develop", yet it has taken about 40 years to nearly ruin Western civilisation. Go the woke!
live a healthy ave loving life without harming others😊
Gang members are the ultimate cowards. Sure, I fear them, but they ARE weak losers who can't cope without being told what to do by their controllers.
Violent thugs warn of violence : News at 11!
Since when is criminality a part of Māori identity and culture? Why teach your tamariki and mokopuna to claim that as their heritage?
You are lucky its just the patch, and not gangs banned.
No sympathy for gangs.
Just how is this going to reduce the crime rate? Gangs is still going 2 do what thy want patch or no patch.. 😂😂
It probably won’t but it might make it a little harder for the gangs to advertise themselves. It’s a start. Says to gangs you can’t do everything you like and get away with it.
RNZ.... Happy to support them, as long as they are out of the presenters' neighbourhood.
Because these two are older, they are suckering the watcher into thinking that they are “harmless” nice folks
will they have to cover up the gang insignia tattoos with thin lizzy?
No they're not covered by the law
Apparently that works 😂
With Susan Paul products lol
@@craigcharteris7026 remember the TV adverts song? Mobile, hair style.... with thin lizzy! could change the lyrics it so it goes... weight scale, plastic bags, bail papers, p.os contact card.... with thin lizzy!
If a gang patch is all you have to be proud of what have you done with your life? Imagine if you'd led a productive legal life with the same passion you led a gang life... Imagine how much nicer it would've felt to never be surrounded by gang stigma, never be profiled by cops for a piece of material you sewn onto your vest, and never have to be put in a position where your freedom could be taken away so one of your higher ups in the gangs can get away with what ever crimes they've committed. Gangs have been nothing but an eye sore to the NZ communities. All we see are crims and addicts who like to bully the weak and intimidate whoever they can. Imagine all that effort being put into cleaning up NZ, into actually doing a job that could make a difference in the community, making it a nicer safer place not just for you and your families, but everyone else's around you as well. I've had friends in damn near every gang in NZ and they all knew, patches stay outside at my home. And they respected it. The sad truth is there's a lot of good people involved with the gangs. A lot that don't know a better way forward, and some that have been pressured into it for what they can provide the gangs. Getting rid of the patches won't get rid of the gangs, that's a fact, but maybe just maybe, it'll show the gangs how much nicer the world can look when you're not throwing colors and hands. I'll add as well, I know not all gang members are bad people, nor do I judge them for being in a gang. Far as I've been told, they're much like me in the sense you respect me, I'll respect you.
No more gang patches
They will wear them on their faces and their arms and backs tattoos aren't banned
@@Stephen-bq4nq ☺COURT-ORDERED TATTOO REMOVALS 🥳
@@LampoonGoon the tattoos aren't illegal
@@LampoonGoonkeep dreaming they are free 🤦🏻🤣🤣🤣
Not a fan of gangs.
I would rather they labeled themselves with patches than fly under the radar unnoticed.
Exactly, this is a stupid action by an authoritarian government.
You obviously don't live around gangs. Even without their patches they never "fly under the radar" lol.
@MikeJones-m6r You absolutely don't know where I live.
The fashion police won't stop crime. The majority of people commit crime when they are not wearing a patch. Removing the patch will not magically reduce crime. The gangs will continue to operate as usual.
They should designate the gangs as terrorist organisations and put them all in jail.
@@Criticont And do what? Recruit more kids behind bars? That's how allot of people end up joining the gangs.
@@laurateaho-white9654 How are they going to recruit more kids behind bars? They are terrorists, and they shouldnt be allowed to congregate with other terrorists. Banning patch is stupid waste of tax payer money
Ask the ordinary people in Ōpōtiki what they think.
How can the NZ police say what you can and cannot wear in your own home and then threaten to destroy it if you are noncompliant
To be fair this is just teaching them how to be real gangster
Thats what I was saying. Turn into a under the radar mafia type.
Under the radar with all thatface scribble most have??
@@cumminsfj4586ha ha no face no case mate! Think for yourself
Nope, that takes too much work. They'll just find weak ways around it, like getting patches in Maori instead of English.
Simple don’t break the law 😂
Slavery was legal in many countries for a long time should people who fought against this laid down because the law is the law
@ did the slaves sell drugs, murder and do other criminal activity? Don’t compare slavery to your gangsters! 😂
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast from the Cook Islands during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by later waves of Polynesians (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Polynesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced groups arriving from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated to the North East Coast of NZ driven by the South Equatorial Current and were stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life including 10 species of Moa and 46 other bird species, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
Where tf u get this nonsense piece of trash talk from there watson?
Stop flooding B S around I seen the same post on different sites during the March ...Full full of it bro
Far out. Jesus is that you? Thank God your white Jesus. These bloody Maareez , bloody ungrateful upity darkeez
Very interesting...will be looking into these titles.
@tracymichaelsen493
Now now... calm the farm miss tracy, that hate will eat away at you 😊
And now look, they're posing with patches like they have a trophy
in australia not allowed in pubs, clubs etc with patches has been like that for couple years?
Not true!! I think you're just referencing Queensland, and WA...
Good on you NZ
You make every one fell intimidated witch is very unfair because everyone has rights to be safe.
Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind
This law will allow more criminal patched members to test their loyalty and fear by wearing their patch in public. Then when they show how staunch they are, they will be arrested charged and convicted. The prison system will be overpopulated but this will be paid with industry prison Labor. Hard cheap Labor. the government wil benefit from this financially and increase finding for police and which more power to enforce this new law.
Keep your patches out boys
What crimes did they comit to get their patches
Comment “Why stop them they’re not hurting anybody”! 🤪 They’re trying to make out it’s about family and culture! Gangs and patches aren’t about peace and harmony and no where in the interview were they considering public sentiment!
Now you won't know if your in the middle of two rivalry gangs, but the members will Know.
And that's dangerous
I think I would know. It would be quite obvious to people who take notice of their surroundings.
You'll know lol.
@MikeJones-m6r Yip when your in the middle of a war 🤣🤣
@@Petersenior-mq8yo you sure about that, not all have distinguishing tats
Drug pushers and violent criminals trying to associate gang culture with Maori culture - Yr kidding aren't you ?
Gangs never did me and my family any harm most are normal people that have children too its just how they've been brought up a few bad apples wreck it for the rest but surely they can restrain themselves from wearing their patch in places like supermarkets malls shopping centres hospitals health clinics it can be scary especially towards little children and old people.
It pisses me off when people say things like "the gangs have never did me any wrong", ohh so it's alright for them to harass, bully others as long it's not your family aye bro, untill it's your turn and then what..?? The fact of the matter is they're a criminal group and are heavily involved in the meth trade, they're not out here selling girl scout cookies.
@FReeMaN-gu7ho That's just my experience anyway I never once said it's ok to harm people I said ban the patches in public so your getting angry at the wrong person if your so passionate about it join the police force then but will you?,I doubt it try to act like your gonna enforce something 😆 nah nothing your all finger action and that's it are u actually out there trying to stop these gangs no your not so dont act like a big heavy coz u ain't
They wear the patch because it makes them feel like they are somebody - when really they are nobody
@@ManaBlack208 yeah you never said it but at the same time you're almost condoning it, in your world it's ok to live along side these criminals, or as you call them "normal people" aye?? what kind of normal people walk around with a costume on and bark like dogs? or killing a 2yr old baby in a drive by shooting? normal people you reckon aye...??? you need to get your head checked mate, the delusion is real 🤣
It's sad they think a patch is a proud thing...y'all just have to wear a name badge or face paint and get over it...pretty pathetic fight.
We need a special operations group like Australia's Raptors.
and police shouldn't need a warrant to search a Known gang members Person/Car or House.
@@Punkagonist the raptor squad hasn't got rid of the gangs and crime rates haven't reduced and neither has drug use
@@Stephen-bq4nq ah yeah they have.. Where you from?
@@UPTHEWAHSDAY1 no they haven't I have family in Australia all the gangs are still there they just don't wear patches in public.
There is still gang crime and that includes plenty of drugs being sold
@Stephen-bq4nq it's helped reduce young wanting to join the gangs, the point is to give our youth a future.
These old gangsters have no hope
@@Punkagonistno it hasn't the gangs are still recruiting in Australia.
As long as you have young people coming from the wrong side of the tracks you will have gang members.
Government agencies have already warned the New Zealand government they can't arrest their way out of the gang issue
Later bro. Your not representative of respectable Māori.
Finally a govt with balls to tackle this issue.
Its not the first ban on patches let alone heard promise after promise of a public ban for generations, unfortunately nz is now introduced and influenced with an by gangs that are more violent than nz has been use to seeing or hearing about
an now its law polie are enforcing it.
It's easy. Obey the law
The patch ban will do nothing to reduce crime or gang recruitment it's a joke.
I'm more concerned with a government that thinks they can ignore the bill of rights when it doesn't suit them
Tautoko
Unlawful is right..
@@zephheine9681fraudulent treaty policies 😊
Hard out....! And what are they doing under the clouds of our frustrations and confusion...?????
The bill or rights?
That's colonial thinking bro.
Being a Maori has got nothing to with being in a gang. The patch is not Maori it's English that insignia belongs to them. ???? Time to take take it off. Kia Ora.
What? 😂
and they use holla out the words sigheil which is German for Nazi salute the uneducated FOOLS!!
If the leaders of the gangs instructed the members not to commit crimes
And just stand up for their cultural identity they would be no gang patch band
The only reason it is happening is because there is a perception that gang member is cause more crime than anyone else
Maybe as gang leaders you could change that from causing crime to embracing and promoting your own cultural identity and punishing members that commit crimes
Cause that is detrimental To
It should be banned from marae as well patches aren't our culture.
A patch isn't a korowai
It is not a korowai!
Going to force Badges at home will be a tough jobs for the police front line 😞