Rappelling Wizards - Intro to Canyoning
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- Get your feet wet in canyoning with this intro video timestamped into all the chapters. To see the rest of our canyon course that goes "deep" into rope systems click www.hownot2.com/post/canyon-r...
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00:00 What is Canyoning
05:19 Canyon Ratings
08:51 Where to find canyons
13:12 Finding friends
14:03 Descenders
16:54 Rope bags
20:35 Static knot block
21:24 Releasable EMO block
23:58 Don't link bolts
24:53 Getting on rappel with Palikoa
26:12 WARNING: MUST WATCH
30:09 Wet suits
32:34 Harnesses
34:12 Rope Lengths
35:54 Rope Types
38:48 Rope Diameter
39:46 Break Test
41:07 Helmets
41:21 Whistles
42:46 Boots
44:09 Practice NOT in water
47:11 PEE
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This was really interesting, as a swiftwater rescue tech the norm is to try to keep clean lines (our favourite knot is a no-knot) and avoid anything that can snag that isn't releasable (including harnesses with quick-releases), so it's super interesting to see how canyoning takes such a different approach.
Videos like this showing the search and rescue perspective would be really interesting.
You bring up a great point. This is not the complete message and ideals of Canyoning. We have very similar ideas and tactics. Some better than others. Brent has a swift water background and is very cognizant of those issues.
I solo canyon almost exclusively, it’s beautiful out in the PNW! Know your limits, do a lot of research, ask people you know that have been out there recently and always be ready to adapt! Wet canyons FTW!!!! 🤙 So glad I got talked into trying out this incredible hobby!
What happened when he clicked on North America on Rope wiki that bust your nose 🤣🤣
Haha! I was just coming to the comments to tyoe the same thing. 😂😂😂👍
And it had almost healed fully by the end of the video too lmao.
oh boy, rope nerd notes gets crazy complicated and specific very fast. Nuances
2 weeks ago after visiting utah, I said “I would love to get into canyoneering, I think that I could figure it out because it’s just a lot of rappelling but Im sure it’s way more complex than that”. Well thanks for proving that it’s way more complicated. Great video just to understand where I might start.
SO happy to see you guys doing more canyoneering videos! Actually own two Glacier Black ropes, including the Newt. They’re so silky smooth, I love em. Great seeing you guys working together.
Super informative! I cannot wait until summer!
On October 15 my son and I went through Tanaya Canyon in Yosemite. It’s rated a 3B with a time rating of four. We had absolutely zero Canyon experience. Glad you’re putting these videos out these will save someone’s life without a doubt
How’d you guys do with that rating and no experience looking at similar
What experience with ropes did you have?
@@vincentcalauttijr.7393we experienced more water than we expected. We had record amounts of snow melt that turned into a class c situation.
We should have planned for more time. Time in the guide book said 7-9 hours. All in all it took us 36 hours. We got stuck in the canyon overnight because it got too dark to find the repelling anchors. You’re looking for a needle and a haystack with very limited instruction.
Fortunately, we found a cave to sleep in. As far as rope work, it was horrible.we Used classic rock climbing technique, stopper knots, threw the entire rope down into a churning pool of water. My kid was on a grigri I used atc. We have completely changed everything though.
Keeper pothole is a 4 rating in the US system (or it should be). I would use ropewiki for the southwest as well as it has become more used there, too.
Very cool vid! Having walked through some of the most amazing canyon in the south west, i was interested in what it takes go to the next levels....this answered that perfectly......thanks for sharing.
Very informative video, thanks for sharing!
Regarding the double-ended rope bag... For rock climbing, I really like the Edelrid Tillit Bag, which is a similar idea.
The Tillit is useful for multipitch rope management, but it's a bit flimsy for canyoning. It's also not as easy to flake the rope into quickly compared to a more rigid style of bag. That said, if you've got one and you want to try canyoning it's going to be better than nothing.
My packa always end up with holes in them after a few trips. Having holes from the get go is a great idea!
Bro love the channel! That being said y'all need to collab with the SLOW MO GUYS so we can see exactly how a bunch of different things break and/or get a better slow mo cam... it's deff time. Lol it would be perfect for your channel
I took the V7 Academy classes. I liked them both, despite the unchecked spelling errors.
I’ll give it a try im a hell of a swimmer pretty handy rappeller
I have guided many folk canyoning and coasteering and the pee issue has always been a fun topic. Most think you are kidding when you tell them that they can just pee in the wetsuit save it as long as you can as you will appreciate the heat more. But hell it can be hard for some folk to do it. Women more so, they will wait till there bladder is about to burst. But ultimately they all discover the dirty pleasure that is peeing in your wetsuit. I have had a six year old poo in a wetsuit, not fun. So don't poo in your wetsuit that's a different sport.
That had to be awful for the kid too.
6 year old boy, he didn't bother his ass about it, some kids have no shame. lol@@barongerhardt
I never did canyoning but I can tell that peeing while windsurfing at the same time is quite an amazing experience as well 🤣
always make sure to properly rinse out your wetsuit though.. (obviously)
Next topic, Via Ferrata's . Love the vids!
That o-ring is brilliant. Figure 8's and plates have a flaw in that they violate the "no metal on metal and no rope on rope" by being metal on metal. Rubber fixes that.
That’s not a hard and fast rule (metal on metal being “bad” pretty much only applies to avoiding non locking carabiner chains, if it applied as a hard rule we wouldn’t clip bolts).
It is okay to pee in your wet suit, but don't pee in a dry suit.
Haha 😂
I white water kayak and have had to rapell around a waterfall. Glories of adventure boating. On a thought for foot wear. Has anyone tested Astrals river specific shoes. Eg Hiyaks
Going to Zion Memorial Day weekend Thursday to Tuesday this year, going to try to do my first canyon with my buddy bringing a bunch of gear if anyone wants to meet up with some experience and have a day with us give me a shout
Anyone know what rope bag that is at around the 26 minute mark? Looks like a nice tag line sized rope bag.
Weird rappelling device. Use normal gear like a figure 8 or ATC. I read a story about someone who sounded totally inexperienced, who rapped through a small waterfall, got flipped upside down and stuck, and drowned there. His wife stood there and watched as he died, not having any idea what to do. The last thing you would want would be for your rap device to lock up.
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“How do I find friends?” Ryan
"lvl 0 canyoner lfg"
Was that footage from Box and Monmouth?
I don’t have much experience climbing but I worked as a tree climber a few years. We use a Prussik cord on a hitch climber pulley to repel. I’m curious, does anyone know if this would be a viable option for this sport?
You could rappel in many different ways. The difference is what you are rappelling on or into. If you can disengage safely, you are most likely ok.
@@TheBrocam cool, thanks
Is the linescale even waterproof?
Pitch number shouldnt change whether its a jump, rappel or slide. Often theres all options so it should read J1, J2, R3, R4, S5 etc
Yeah, for some reason in canyoneering and canyoning, they keep them separate. I see your point though.
@TheBrocam must be in "freedom units" as that's not how it's done in Europe or Aus
Rocky Talkies are NOT waterproof!!! From the manufacturer's own website, they're only "IP56 (Splashproof/Snowproof, not submergible)". We dipped one in water in a pothole mid multi-stage rappel on Saturday and it died immediately. Good think we had 4!
My rope bag is a duffle bag from the good will
Glacier Black, I like your rope bag idea, you should look at making them for 600' 1/2 " static rope for rescues. I was doing a rescue practice, yesterday and we had to pull the entire rope out to get to the other end. I would only have a 25% opening at the bottom. Because you are packing 60 lbs or more.
Use 11mm rope🙈
But check out the CMC rope bag, is is pretty much exactly what you're describing, and made for rescue and rope access.
I like that. What type of rope are you using, Technora or Polyester?
@@TheBrocam I use polyester, technora is too expensive for anything other than canyoning for me😅. I'm in Europe, so for me EN 1891 is the only relevant standard, which gives tons of options for rope, if you are doing rescue in North America and need NFPA G rating, you need to shop around a bit, there are like 5 different 11mm ropes conforming to that standard.
Hello Rick, We are working on various sizes that will work in different venues and sports. I will look into this for sure. I am also working on a 9.6mm EN 1891 Type B rope for rescue and guiding companies. Thank you for your comments.
So... Wet abseilling - DRT - maybe recover anchors ?? - or leave them.
(bouyancy at the end mad be useful... - impact absorbing...)
wet - into dry-hole and no rope, that sux - SAT Phone..., maybe.
lol, dry canyoneering is double-sided bouldering...
metres left in the bag is similar to x3.3 feet for the same, lol...
I am not sure what your question is, but here are a couple points. We typically do retrievable SRT. The block is either static or releasable. An SRT is essential for lowering or hauling. If you set it up DRT and have to rescue, you will have to use a completely different system or technique.
I'll take a wetsuit in a mechanics medium please.
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question about canyoning anyone can answer. At one point it's mentioned even if you have previous recent beta, you should still downclimb and check the pool depth, why jump in the pool at all? not to discredit the fun factor, but to complete a "canyon" is it required you do the stunts or are they just that much faster
Great question. Some like the adventure. Usually, jumps are able to be rappelled or downclimbed. That being said, it is typically more efficient to have the majority of peolple be able to jump. To yur point, jumps and slides are more risky.
@@TheBrocam thanks! that makes sense.