Thanks for the response. Whether solo riding, a pair, or a group managing expectations is a huge challenge. If you have any questions, please reach out. Best wishes. June - early can have snow beside road. Check out the D2D in Dawson if you are there over June solstice. Also check out Top of the World Road, Telegraph Creek, and the Canol Roads.
Your story shows that an accident can happen at any time and you've got to be on the balls when riding. Shit happens. It happens to the best riders. I hope your buddy is doing well. I've also had my share of falls too. I left Montreal for an RTW tour up to Malaysia but had to come back because of Covid. I plan to solo the Dexter Highway to Tuktoyaktuk next summer. I just purchased my emergency satellite communicator Garmin InReach2 last week. Thank you for sharing! Safe travel.
Our rider is doing well. I think it was more of an insult to him than injury, but we were lucky. He rode it in like a champ, probably preventing greater injury. This is a pretty good link for planning and basic information. You will see tires factor in many times. www.iti.gov.nt.ca/sites/iti/files/dempster_adventure_motorcycle_research_final.pdf Steady is best. The Dempster is a logistical challenge but weather could foil you every time. We will be doing a rider synopsis of this over the xmas holidays. Do not hesitate to reach out on any questions about the trip. Than k you for the comment.
Interesting to hear a southern rider's experience. The biggest take away I hope people get from this video is 'scale'. Dempster isn't a weekend in your local dirt park. Every single bike headed to the highway passes my driveway. I've been up/down the road to Inuvik on two and four wheels. Beautiful terrain. Unforgiving terrain. '50 years' of asphalt riding is pretty well worthless. Standing on pegs and pretending to be in the Dakar is stupid. Almost every returning freight truck has a broken bike in the trailer. Each summer I hear about a fatality of some rider who under-estimated the challenge. It's a great trip. But if you are honestly not up to the skill levels needed... drive it in a car. I always hope riders I meet are smart enough to go slow and enjoy the view. I you plan to ride the Dempster please watch this video three or four times and really contemplate it.
Thank you for that important comment. It is a fantastic road and people should consider riding/driving it sometime. Pretty much all the same stuff applies albeit perhaps a bit safer on 4 wheels, but tires and fuel are still issues as are fatigue and mental concentration. At least one motorcycle fatality this year, and one very serious injury, and lots of bikes being trucked out. I personally know numerous riders that got to km zero and used their judgement and decided not to go this time.
After closely watching you walk the path a couple times I'm thinking about wheel size differences in deeper gravel = 17" = 19" = 21" It looks like the 17" couldn't re-hook up in those conditions I suppose if someday an adventure bike was released with 24" front & 20" rear it would handle those conditions even better I've ridden my friends CB500X with AX41 19" rubber, back to back with my bike on TKC80 21" & I could feel the difference in recovery time on loose {riding on marbles} sorta surfaces {even though my bike weighs 50lbs more Although 17" wheels would be fantastic for the majority of the trip on pavement.. it could be the most sketchy on the gravel portions {I haven't tried 17" wheels on gravel myself, so I'm speculating admittedly) I'm glad he was okay in the end
My Ducati Multistrada had 17 inch wheels as did the one that crashed. I felt pretty good with the TKC80 on the front but know what you are getting at. My 500X has 19 inch front and I mainly ride with people that have 21's. They seem to be able to come out of a rut fairly easily and roll over boulders better than mine. But they are also likely better riders.
@@dougiverson4297 Something else came to mind, I forgot to mention, I'm not sure about the Ducati traction control system but on KTM., if I forget to turn the ride mode from Street to Off Road = it won't allow me to stop on loose gravel.. it treats it the same as wet leaves or Manhole covers in the rain.. basically 5% of normal brake power is allowed= so if someone was traveling at 90 or 100 kph., then they'd be at 75 by the time their going into the gully on the side of the road (Of course "off-road" mode allows you to drop that back wheel in like a boat anchor ⚓ & come to a stop or change direction in a skid pretty quickly)=(However on my KTM it required an accessory dongle to remember the settings the bike was in or it'll revert to street/pavement mode ABS & Traction control On the flip side., yea target fixation is definitely real & I've many times hit that rock is was intending to avoid cause I couldn't stop looking at it "when I was getting tired most often" like towards the end of a day out on dirt bike etc etc
Wondering. If a washout or rut from previous poor road conditions existed, then were covered in loose gravel, would one travel the pre-existing road hazard as they packed the loose gravel down. Run on sentence I know.
You are correct, it can be difficult to know what is below the fresh gravel surface. In this case though, I walked the tire track and it seems for sure the small gravel ridges along the direction of travel were the contributing factor. Once one wheel is on one side, and the other is not the wiggling begins.
Thanks for sharing . This is my ride this coming June. We can all learn from this video.
Thanks for the response.
Whether solo riding, a pair, or a group managing expectations is a huge challenge.
If you have any questions, please reach out.
Best wishes.
June - early can have snow beside road. Check out the D2D in Dawson if you are there over June solstice. Also check out Top of the World Road, Telegraph Creek, and the Canol Roads.
Your story shows that an accident can happen at any time and you've got to be on the balls when riding. Shit happens. It happens to the best riders. I hope your buddy is doing well. I've also had my share of falls too. I left Montreal for an RTW tour up to Malaysia but had to come back because of Covid. I plan to solo the Dexter Highway to Tuktoyaktuk next summer. I just purchased my emergency satellite communicator Garmin InReach2 last week. Thank you for sharing! Safe travel.
Our rider is doing well. I think it was more of an insult to him than injury, but we were lucky. He rode it in like a champ, probably preventing greater injury.
This is a pretty good link for planning and basic information. You will see tires factor in many times.
www.iti.gov.nt.ca/sites/iti/files/dempster_adventure_motorcycle_research_final.pdf
Steady is best.
The Dempster is a logistical challenge but weather could foil you every time.
We will be doing a rider synopsis of this over the xmas holidays.
Do not hesitate to reach out on any questions about the trip.
Than k you for the comment.
Interesting to hear a southern rider's experience. The biggest take away I hope people get from this video is 'scale'. Dempster isn't a weekend in your local dirt park.
Every single bike headed to the highway passes my driveway. I've been up/down the road to Inuvik on two and four wheels. Beautiful terrain. Unforgiving terrain.
'50 years' of asphalt riding is pretty well worthless. Standing on pegs and pretending to be in the Dakar is stupid. Almost every returning freight truck has a broken bike in the trailer.
Each summer I hear about a fatality of some rider who under-estimated the challenge. It's a great trip. But if you are honestly not up to the skill levels needed... drive it in a car.
I always hope riders I meet are smart enough to go slow and enjoy the view. I you plan to ride the Dempster please watch this video three or four times and really contemplate it.
Thank you for that important comment.
It is a fantastic road and people should consider riding/driving it sometime. Pretty much all the same stuff applies albeit perhaps a bit safer on 4 wheels, but tires and fuel are still issues as are fatigue and mental concentration.
At least one motorcycle fatality this year, and one very serious injury, and lots of bikes being trucked out.
I personally know numerous riders that got to km zero and used their judgement and decided not to go this time.
After closely watching you walk the path a couple times
I'm thinking about wheel size differences in deeper gravel
= 17"
= 19"
= 21"
It looks like the 17" couldn't re-hook up in those conditions
I suppose if someday an adventure bike was released with 24" front & 20" rear it would handle those conditions even better
I've ridden my friends CB500X with AX41 19" rubber, back to back with my bike on TKC80 21" & I could feel the difference in recovery time on loose {riding on marbles} sorta surfaces {even though my bike weighs 50lbs more
Although 17" wheels would be fantastic for the majority of the trip on pavement.. it could be the most sketchy on the gravel portions {I haven't tried 17" wheels on gravel myself, so I'm speculating admittedly)
I'm glad he was okay in the end
My Ducati Multistrada had 17 inch wheels as did the one that crashed. I felt pretty good with the TKC80 on the front but know what you are getting at.
My 500X has 19 inch front and I mainly ride with people that have 21's. They seem to be able to come out of a rut fairly easily and roll over boulders better than mine. But they are also likely better riders.
@@dougiverson4297
Something else came to mind, I forgot to mention, I'm not sure about the Ducati traction control system but on KTM., if I forget to turn the ride mode from Street to Off Road = it won't allow me to stop on loose gravel.. it treats it the same as wet leaves or Manhole covers in the rain.. basically 5% of normal brake power is allowed= so if someone was traveling at 90 or 100 kph., then they'd be at 75 by the time their going into the gully on the side of the road
(Of course "off-road" mode allows you to drop that back wheel in like a boat anchor ⚓ & come to a stop or change direction in a skid pretty quickly)=(However on my KTM it required an accessory dongle to remember the settings the bike was in or it'll revert to street/pavement mode ABS & Traction control
On the flip side., yea target fixation is definitely real & I've many times hit that rock is was intending to avoid cause I couldn't stop looking at it "when I was getting tired most often" like towards the end of a day out on dirt bike etc etc
Excellent! Some good learning there.
Thank you Mark.
Wondering. If a washout or rut from previous poor road conditions existed, then were covered in loose gravel, would one travel the pre-existing road hazard as they packed the loose gravel down. Run on sentence I know.
You are correct, it can be difficult to know what is below the fresh gravel surface. In this case though, I walked the tire track and it seems for sure the small gravel ridges along the direction of travel were the contributing factor. Once one wheel is on one side, and the other is not the wiggling begins.