Right? I was like, that excuse isn't any better. You can't write a paper without sources and then just throw in whatever source fits your idea. You're supposed to gather sources. Gain the understanding. Then you can write your statement with the sources to support your stance. And this person is supposed to be in the education field?
The funny thing is that studies are usually funded this way. Pay a scientist to prove your conclusion is correct and use that to push policy. The best part is that if they dont find the result they are looking for, they dont publish it.
Yeah heard from some guys last year who got in trouble for plagiarizing color observations from there partners. Which in lay man terms they match each other. Could one imagine what would happen if they had just a little bit to different results in there lab.
The problem here is not just that AI isn’t ready for this purpose. The problem is that instead of asking a question like whether kids having cells phones impacts whatever they’re concerned it impacts, they started out with what they wanted to do and then asked AI to prove it is the right thing to do. AI is programmed to answer the question, not make a human value judgement about the data. The humans misusing the tool are just as much a problem as the actual tool here.
@christopherkidwell9817 I feel sorry for your kids AND the kids of the people like yourself you speak of. Maybe a special phone that could ONLY call 9-1-1 and other numbers entered by the parents (with required GPS tracking) would be OK.
LOL. We haven't even gotten started. Kids will use AI to complete their homework, thus creating a hallucination where the wrong answers are right (e.g. parroting conspiracy websites saying "vaccines cause autism"). Teachers will use AI to grade the homework, thus validating that the hallucinated wrong answers are right (most of the kids are saying "vaccines cause autism" so vaccines must cause autism!). And the kids who actually did the homework and got the right answer (vaccines don't cause autism) will be marked wrong and failed. Further cementing the status of the wrong answer. Programmers already figured this out decades ago: Garbage in, garbage out.
I hate this - I'm a teacher and we're getting bombarded with "How to use AI to make you a better teacher!" and "How can you get your students engaged with AI tools?" and junk like that. At the same time an increasing number of kids are using it to avoid doing any mental work at all. I'm in no way surprised that some administrator was just as lazy; it's incredibly frustrating.
The worst part is, writing with AI and then proof reading is still a lazier way to write something. I'm a programmer and I use AI, but I'm responsible for the code I write and it's reviewed by my peers, so I read and understand every line of it. They're just going all the way with their laziness.
@@Lazy_Fish_Keeper Only because you are anthropomorphizing the terms that are being used to describe the very, _very_ basic (but with a ton of calculation) function of LLMs...
I have to laugh that the education establishment would us AI to create policy on cell phone use. Any teacher would fail a student who got caught using AI to write a term paper.
This is further proof that they started with their conclusion, and only looked for information that supported their pre-conceived conclusion. And here, didn't even do that much, instead relying on AI trash.
Last week I asked ChatGPT why it just makes up answers when asked things it doesn't know the answer to. It replied "When an AI doesn’t know the answer to a question, it can still generate a response that sounds plausible because it’s designed to produce coherent and contextually relevant language. Rather than admitting a lack of knowledge (which could disrupt the flow of conversation), language models are programmed to prioritize providing responses that are as complete and conversationally satisfying as possible."
Not bad, that's close to what I've been telling people wondering about the same question. In fact, it's eerily close, almost word for word in places; only thing missing is the burning hot hatred I ladle on the explanation.
"Yes, you can operate an airliner without any actual flight experience or training." What it doesn't say is that doing so will end horribly for all those involved and is something that no one should ever try to do.
We need federal laws making anyone using an AI responsible for everything it does. Responsible users check the work done by the AI. Anyone using it to replace human oversight of tasks needs to take responsibility for what the AI does. This is just a loophole allowing people to say terrible or fraudulent things while denying responsibility for what they do.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." 10A, Bill of Rights
This AI BS is pissing my friends off. As a photographer, we hate the *robots" ripping off people's pics and spreading them on the internet Meta AI on FB can't even get the location right!
I never thought I’d have to explain this. Art is different than mass production. Plus you wouldn’t have even half the cheap crap you own if it didn’t exist.
If you upload to FB (or any product now owned by FB/Google/etc), you're feeding the beast. They've all updated their ToS to allow their AI to train on content. Not only were they selling your usage data for years, they're now just directly profiting off of your data. The data you're _supposed_ to still have a de-facto copyright on in many cases.
I am also of "a certain age" - probably a little older than Steve. Not only did we have a single phone in the kitchen, it was rotary dial (pre touch-tone)!
I was too poor to have a phone. All I had was two paper cups.... and a string. 😥 But seriously, we had a single landline for years, in 1994 we got a second landline because I wanted it for internet. I was 13, and traded part of my allowance for the second phone line which I think was somewhere around $8/mo.
Lying implies intent. It's like the difference between murder and manslaughter. If you sincerely believed the Earth is flat, and you propagate that idea, despite literal mountains of evidence to the contrary, it wouldn't technically be a lie. It'd be a falsehood, but not a lie. Similarly, AI has no intent to anything it does. The hallucinations are just biproducts of us expecting it to do more than it really can do. All it is doing is generating information-shaped sentences that just tell us what's statistically likely to complete the passage we are expecting it to write.
Nah, a lie takes intent. These LLMs _literally cannot_ lie because they're just computing decent sounding sentences. There is no real intent behind it. Unless you extend intent to the companies who put up these bots. THEY _absolutely_ are lying just by having promoted these as truthful tools. They _knew_ about hallucinations before pushing these to the public...
It seems to me that using AI as a shortcut to doing your work is becoming a greater problem than Cell Phones. It sets a great example for kids when Educators are using AI to shortcut their work, while they stress not using AI to write your term papers.
I had an advisor in college tell me to write my dissertation and plug in citations afterwards. I didn't value the time, effort and expense of going for a PhD after that.
Again no consequences for publishing false information. We wonder why this continues to increase in frequency. How about a board resolution saying if you provide false information to the board, you get discipline up to and including dismissal.
Can we do that for all officials?? Government and societal. If "news" pundits also couldn't just openly lie without consequence, this country would be on a very, very different path.
I mean, it's a bit late with the oil industry and climate change... We've _already_ dug the grave for first-world living in many places. It's just a matter of time before mass migration begins even _without_ basic wars causing them. We've had over _50 years_ of _knowingly_ moving in the wrong direction. Humanity is cooked _unless_ AI gets smart enough to take over responsibly, sadly enough.
2:44 You might be just about to say this but first thought is: Even if you took them entirely at their word that the citations were filler for later, that means they were planning to just find evidence that matched what they already wanted the answer to be and pretend it informed their decision-making. Not the way policy-making or research on a topic is supposed to work. Educators should know better!
a legitimate filler citation would be more like dropping weblinks and book pages in with the intent of formatting the citation properly later. In that case, they'd actually have sources they were basing their assertions on!
AI should only be used as a directional reference in doing research. Quoting AI is pretty pathetic! Everyone thinks this will end well if they can be lazy... Thanks for the video Steve!
I'd insist on kids having a cell phone for safety sake. Usage is no different than rules in a school setting governing interactions with others. Visiting passing notes, not paying attention. Too much bullshit in even addressing this subject. Where is common sense?
I went to school while phones transitioned from dumb cell phones to modern smart phones. We already had a no phone in class policy and that was perfectly fine with most students. The main usage was listening to music instead of bringing an additional Walkman or cd player, but you could also call to let the family know you went to a friends home after school, or that you missed the bus and might come an hour late. In the later school years, when we had gaps in our schedule, we could do research for our homework without going to the computer labs. There are always some children who ruin it for the others with video recording or trying to cheat in school, but those actions were already forbidden anyway. When my school considered banning phones my parents told me to keep mine in the bag. Teachers weren’t allowed to go through our stuff, so as long as it wasn’t actively used in school there would have been no problem. But sometimes it seems teachers forget that school is not everything in your life and maybe you need your phone after school without going home to fetch it first.
For many who write or enforce rules don't think they apply to them. Years ago at my job they has work place violence posters up on the walls. A boss attacked a worker. Those posters came down very quickly.
At my company, we are not supposed to let our vehicles idle. I don't have any proof, but I seriously doubt the high ranking employees have to follow that rule.
@@shawbrosyour might be right. Speaking of rules for cars at companies parking lots. Someone complained to HR about trucks being plug in to outlets. Which we know are Block heaters for diesels. Well the Karen told HR that people were charging thier electric trucks. Mind you this was at a commercial truck plant. And after the company spent alot of money to get the diesels started extra personal and gear. The company said it was okay to use the outlets again.
I know in graphic design they have paragraphs of meaningless random letters called "greeking". It purposely has no discernible text because the intent is to focus on the page layout and formatting.
Throughout my childhood, (& I’m about 5yrs or so younger than you, Steve), we did not even have a house phone. We lived 2 minutes walk either way to two payphones. Only when I was in full time employment at 19yrs old, did I get us a phone.
Steve, I’m recently retired from elementary school teaching. Most of my career in second and third grade. Fabulous, magical, fun job 90% of the time btw. It’s crazy how many 7 and 8 year olds have cell phones. One thing you should know though is that it’s rarely the higher students and rarely your best behaved kids. My school is in a solidly working class, blue collar neighborhood with over 50% of the families having long term ties to the school. The majority of kids with cell phone come from two groups, the financially struggling families and those at the top of neighborhood’s economic spectrum. It’s weird. Love, love, love your channel, it’s like listening to a friend I grew up with chat, a really smart friend who actually has stuff to say that I can learn from.
I am a child of the 50s and no cell phone for my family either. My father knew how to repair TVs so we were lucky he could fix them. We all had to agree to which show to watch.
And you probably had a much better interaction as a family, by having shows in common for you to discuss that you all knew something about. Personalizing our entertainment is isolating us.
One of six here too Steve.....I'm in the middle as third oldest.....One girl, four boys and one girl in that order. I'm about the same age as you and grew up in the Detroit metro area. I still remember having the 313 area code (I actually remember the whole telephone number).....Our telephone was set up exactly like you said. There was no privacy at all.....Besides, mom was always talking to her friends. She was a stay at home mom and would have gone out of her mind with six kids and nowhere to go without that phone. We were poor but life seemed so sweet at that age. Although we didn't have much my folks always made due.
10:10 The people using generative AI and not checking for hallucinations were probably using their cell phones during school instead of paying attention!
How much of taxpayers money was wasted on this? Likely hindereds of thousands of dollars when adding up all the salaries and three course catered meals, the workshop to study the policy, create the policy, debate the policy, and start the cycle again
@@jacobfreeman5444 Ironic how human "experts" making shit up, get their career ended, but AI companies just get a small bit of bad publicity we all laugh at, and then forget about, without even being punished for it.
18 U.S.C. § 242 Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law Defendants act under color of law when they wield power vested by a government entity. Those prosecuted under the statute typically include police officers, sheriff’s deputies, and prison guards. However OTHER government actors, such as judges, district attorneys, other public officials, and public school employees can also act under color of law and can be prosecuted under this statute. The Department has also prosecuted public officials for thefts, false arrests, evidence-planting, and failing to protect someone in custody from constitutional violations committed by others. When at school you are in the custody of the school. if a President can be put on trial then the US can also have a "JURISTS' TRIAL" Make The Nuremberg Trials Great Again‼How might the different emphases and mechanisms for enforcement be explained by events that happened between the passage of the Civil Rights Bill of 1866 and the Enforcement Acts of 1870 and 1871?🤣🙉🙈🙊
No one can read OR write anymore?! If you produce Ai generated docs, you should be legally responsible for it's contents. (I have never paid over $200 for a phone, which is the one i have now. And it's five years old! And I have never used fruit for a communication device.)
There is a precedent set by a case against Air Canada that establishes exactly that: a legal obligation to take responsibility for the contents of AI communication. Their customer service chatbot made up policies in the customer's favor, that don't exist. The courts ordered Air Canada to pay out what their chatbot promised. The dollar figure in question: about $800. I forget if that was USD or CAD. An insignificant amount of money compared to an airline's profits, but still a good precedent to be set.
One thing computers really excel in is their ability to exponentially multiply stupidity. Garbage In, Garbage Out is best applied to a landfill. With computers, Garbage In instantly equals mountains of garbage out!😂😂😂😂
Steve, in my case things were worse. We were so poor that I didn't get an allowance so I had to gather bike parts from what neighbors threw away and make one bike from several discarded bikes.
I enjoyed your comments about phones and TVs from when you were a kid. For me, private phone conversations didn't exist. In addition to the phone mounted to the kitchen wall and my whole family knowing what I said, we had a party-line, so another family knew what I said. When our TV broke down, I had to unplug all of the vacuum tunes in the TV and carry them downtown to the TV repair shop. They had a machine that I used to individually test each tube to find the defective tube. I'd show the repair guy the defective tube and he'd sell me a replacement. We'd haul all of the tubes back and reinstall them.
A lot of service providers will actually give your family a phone for cheap or free when you sign up with them. My family hasn’t paid full price for an iphone since whenever the iPhone x came out
You are likely still paying for that phone. They just add the minimum payment through your bill. Maybe not even giving it a title that makes it clear this is to pay off the phone.
@ I’m sure we’re paying off the phones through our plan. But from what I remember, we ended up paid less monthly when we were given the phones. My point is, that you can newer phones without the massive up-front cost. It also helps to know one of the sales people :)
If officials are using AI to do their job, why do we need the officials? Fire the idiots. Fire the idiots who hired the idiots. Fire the idiots who listen to the idiots.
A.I. should absolutely not be allowed to be used for writing any official documentation or school work on any level of education. A.I. has uses but this is not one of them.
I honestly think this is the scariest part of AI. Not a terminator type thing but it seems like humans just do not want to have to think about anything. They will get AI to do all and answer every question. Maybe I’m a nut but I can see this as a path to destroy much of our civilization just by making humans not do anything anymore. It’s sad to me.
My parents were both teachers as well. When the TVs broke back in the 70s they would send me down to the electronics store with all the tubes (numbered) and test each and every one of them. I would find 2 or 3 that were dead or weak and, if I was lucky, replacing them would bring the TV back to life. It was always a huge relief when it slowly powered up, but also a huge sense of accomplishment. Good times with no cell phones!
I don't understand how this is such a controversial issue. My parents had no issues contacting me when I was in school. My parents supported my teachers decision if my DS or gameboy advanced was taken away during class.
@@mikepalmer1971 They are kids, it wouldn't be unlawful if their parents supported it, which mine did and theirs did, because when you are in school you should be focused on learning, not scrolling X. Which specific law would they be breaking? not all search and seizure of private property is unlawful, and you don't always need a warrant.
@@MegaLokopo I'll take the other side here. While I attended in the pre-cell phone days, I did bring a laptop to class in high school to complete my mandatory senior project. (I was arranging music so I needed a very specific application to do so.) From the sounds of the whining I see about phones, it sounds like these people would also have gotten mad at me. Cause think about it; my laptop can do all the same distracting things as a smart phone. So would you be in favor of banning my device if I was in school now in the same scenario? And if not, if there is a distinction, then go ahead - ban cell phones. All the students will just bring a laptop to class instead. (Being honest with my position, I'm not sure if that would be better or worse for the students. I guess the question comes down to internet access, but I could probably figure out a way to set it up for people so I can't naturally assume those students would have been like I was back in the olden days of dial-up.)
Gen Z-er here (born in 2003), I can give more context about phones in schools from my perspective. I don't know if this is a nationwide thing, but my state has a program that offers free phones for people on welfare. I got my first phone in middle school and it was one of those. Mine wasn't a smartphone, but my brother's was (he's 4 years younger than me and got his around the same age as I did). Even if the kids' parents don't qualify for government-issued phones, most middle-class households have monthly payment plans on their phones from what I understand. All of that to say there's a good chance that most kids in at least middle school will have smartphones, and ones who don't stick out like a sore thumb. I'm unsure of if elementary school kids have their own phones, but 1) I wouldn't be surprised at all if a rich kid had one, and 2) there's already a desire for a smartphone amongst Gen Alpha; smartphones and tablets are the new "object parent gives to child so they'll be distracted and leave them alone" if that makes sense. Not trying to parent shame, but that's just what I've seen in my experience.
Less than 0:45 seconds in. "Not Ready for prime time" seems to cover this Situation. I live in a fairly small town, and I spoke with a fellow with a Badge attached to the front of his "Blouse." (I was told that the A.I. Program that Comes Attached to the camera webbed to his chest works "Pretty well.") And then I recall a Steve Lehto quotation, something Like, "Within the next 12 months . . . ."
I had a similar "hallucination" in high school when I thought Wikipedia had republished some of my work so I repurposed it for a research paper. But they claimed it was plagiarism. AI getting special treatment?
You can GIVE the AI REAL research publications as part of the prompt to be included in the text, but you can't just tell it to create citations, because it will simply make up academic-sounding text. Nor can you feed it with wrong citations intending to remove them later, because those wrong citations will influence its output.
Rules for cellphone use in school: 1. All students MUST turn OFF their phones when you enter the school. 2 .Phones may only be turned on when you leave school after the closing bell. Failure to do so will result in your phone being confiscated. If this occurs more than once your phone WILL NOT BE RETURNED.
With all these hallucinations provided by AI, I would like to give these AI models a new more fitting name. I'm calling it Likely Simulated Data or LSD for short
3:42 It may be easy to catch now but I've noticed a big increase in the number of Google searches where the first hit is AI generated. SO it may be coming that you search for a fictitious AI generated reference and the search engine AI says it's valid and may even produce a totally AI generated document in support.
That moment when those who "teach" tell a student to do thier homework and get proper citations for thier papers and yet they themselves can't and won't bother to do so.
To Steve's point about cellphones as kids, I wonder if it does actually save money? Kids these days rarely, if ever, buy a board game, go to the arcade, go to the theaters, rent a movie, buy a movie, etc. All those things I got as gifts as a kid in the 90's have a version that is free on a phone. Legos are one of the few things that have held up over the years 😂
I wouldn't be surprised if AI is just being used as a scapegoat. It's just as likely that an actual human inserted some "hallucinations" and just hoped no one would notice.
I survived a childhood without TV.... My parents didn't believe in TV. One summer my sister borrowed a black-and-white TV from someone. We had no cable, and could pull in exactly one channel over the air (the local NBC affiliate). So every evening we'd sit down to watch To Tell The Truth followed by reruns of Hogan's Heroes. When those were over, it was off to our rooms to read library books.
STEVE LEHTO: When the first Chatgpt came out i was using it testing it out asking all sorts of question. I asked it once to give me a explanation on a alien faction in a game i was playing and it gave me a combination of logic that made no sense. I figured that the AI had access to some of the information and combined it with other closely related information to give me an answer that it though would of been correct logically, which obviously was not correct at all. It was like multiplying two negative numbers together to get you the correct answer which was not correct. -2 X -2 = 4 when you are looking for 2 + 2 = 4.
If you wanted to talk privately on a house phone you had to convince your parents they need to get the 20 foot cord. I doubt my parents spent on all five of us what parents spend on one child for Xmas today.(Even adjusting for inflation.) My oldest brother solved the private phone call using a wall phone. He took French just like his girlfriend did. He could have plotted our demise and we wouldn't have known.
You mentioned going to play outside. . . Nowadays, if a parent permitted that, it's a fair chance some neighbor will call the police. Sign of the times.
Back in those days ... we also had pay phones everywhere! Just try and find one today! Nothing like standing in line at a pay phone to call Mom and Dad to come get you after a ballgame or a movie!
A friend of mine learned to talk REALLY fast, he would call his mom collect and when it said "state your name" he said "momitskennypickmeupatthemall". She would refuse the charges, but she got the message.
The term "placeholder" means "I started with a conclusion and will try to figure out how to justify it later".
Right? I was like, that excuse isn't any better. You can't write a paper without sources and then just throw in whatever source fits your idea. You're supposed to gather sources. Gain the understanding. Then you can write your statement with the sources to support your stance. And this person is supposed to be in the education field?
Sounds like typical gov today.
Yeah... It clearly means she wrote up a policy, and THEN asked AI to cherry pick references supporting it.
"I started out with a confusion and will try to figure out how to justify it later." FIFY...
The funny thing is that studies are usually funded this way. Pay a scientist to prove your conclusion is correct and use that to push policy.
The best part is that if they dont find the result they are looking for, they dont publish it.
If a student wrote a paper this way, they'd be failed. Such hypocrisy.
Once you are labeled with plagiarism it's impossible to shake too.
right now you can tell AI is BSing a lot. In a year AI will be better than the professor.
Yeah heard from some guys last year who got in trouble for plagiarizing color observations from there partners. Which in lay man terms they match each other. Could one imagine what would happen if they had just a little bit to different results in there lab.
@@davidkuehne476 nope, a year ago it was better
Could also get student expelled.
People who use AI in ways like this, can also be replaced by them without too much negative impact
Ironically correct.
Or nothing at all.
Let the AI do the job 😂
I used to think we lived in the dumbest of all possible worlds. I was wrong, things are getting even stupider at an alarming rate.
"None of us is as dumb as all of us." Abe Lincoln, probably.
just look at your supposed president, that lunatic and his admin has caused.
@@JustBCWi Idiocracy is quickly becoming a reality.
AI accelerates the dumbing down process.
Welcome to America.
The problem here is not just that AI isn’t ready for this purpose. The problem is that instead of asking a question like whether kids having cells phones impacts whatever they’re concerned it impacts, they started out with what they wanted to do and then asked AI to prove it is the right thing to do. AI is programmed to answer the question, not make a human value judgement about the data. The humans misusing the tool are just as much a problem as the actual tool here.
This is 100 per cent true. There should be legal consequences for people who abuse AI. Mobile phones shouldn't be given to kids until a certain age.
@@nensondubois That is your personal opinion and numerous people like myself feel that it is INVALID and STUPID!
@@nensondubois what age?
@christopherkidwell9817
I feel sorry for your kids AND the kids of the people like yourself you speak of. Maybe a special phone that could ONLY call 9-1-1 and other numbers entered by the parents (with required GPS tracking) would be OK.
@@purplenanite That's a tough call (pun intended?) Maybe 16-17.
I used to always hallucinate my homework being done, seemed real enough to me, strangely they wouldn't pass me.
LOL. We haven't even gotten started. Kids will use AI to complete their homework, thus creating a hallucination where the wrong answers are right (e.g. parroting conspiracy websites saying "vaccines cause autism"). Teachers will use AI to grade the homework, thus validating that the hallucinated wrong answers are right (most of the kids are saying "vaccines cause autism" so vaccines must cause autism!). And the kids who actually did the homework and got the right answer (vaccines don't cause autism) will be marked wrong and failed. Further cementing the status of the wrong answer.
Programmers already figured this out decades ago: Garbage in, garbage out.
Laziness is on the rise and personal responsibility is on the decline.
@@zonian1966 “The government which governs best governs least.”
- another prior President
Bait. Lie and switch subjects….. Trump theory…
I would disagree it has been like that for a long while.
@@patsquach4080, we're a nation in decline! Lol.
@ Some are following a certain book that has been deceiving the reader…. The ART OF THE DEAL.. er ah. SCAM …. LOL.
Hopefully a parent in that district will do some research on how to oust an official that engaged in academic dishonesty.
Trouble, it's ADMINISTRATIVE dishonesty. People expect administrators and bureaucrats to lie. So it's not punished.
"Hey Chat GPT. How do we fire a school board official?"
Unfortunately, it’s a state board, which means they are that much more isolated from consequences.
I hate this - I'm a teacher and we're getting bombarded with "How to use AI to make you a better teacher!" and "How can you get your students engaged with AI tools?" and junk like that. At the same time an increasing number of kids are using it to avoid doing any mental work at all. I'm in no way surprised that some administrator was just as lazy; it's incredibly frustrating.
Provide the means to be lazy, and laziness will ensue.
The worst part is, writing with AI and then proof reading is still a lazier way to write something. I'm a programmer and I use AI, but I'm responsible for the code I write and it's reviewed by my peers, so I read and understand every line of it. They're just going all the way with their laziness.
At least we finally have the answer to Philip K's question, "Do androids dream of electric sheep?"
Seems they do indeed.
I would suggest people still dream of the question "Do androids dream of electric sheep?"
I don't think computing a response to a question counts as dreaming, just yet.
@@ashkebora7262 I think the hallucination factor qualifies as dreaming
@@Lazy_Fish_Keeper Only because you are anthropomorphizing the terms that are being used to describe the very, _very_ basic (but with a ton of calculation) function of LLMs...
Hay, 🤔 sure enough!! How do you like that!!
Someone should look into the cellphone usage of these officials
That paper should have been labeled “FICTION”.
I have to laugh that the education establishment would us AI to create policy on cell phone use. Any teacher would fail a student who got caught using AI to write a term paper.
Doesn't speak highly of the education of the Board of Education...
The irony of it all.
Maybe they need to be required to add quotation marks around "Education".
This is further proof that they started with their conclusion, and only looked for information that supported their pre-conceived conclusion. And here, didn't even do that much, instead relying on AI trash.
That's because there wasn't any real evidence.
I suppose that I will be 'dating myself;' but computer programmers used to have a catchphrase -- "Garbage In, Garbage Out."
That one's definitely still around... I know coders fresh out of high school who know it
This is not merely old. This is the First Law Of Computing.
@@zonian1966 Just "probably?"
That's the beauty of AI. You can skip the "garbage in" step. The AI will produce "garbage out" all by itself.
They still say that.
I think they've been learning their excuses from their students.
Last week I asked ChatGPT why it just makes up answers when asked things it doesn't know the answer to. It replied "When an AI doesn’t know the answer to a question, it can still generate a response that sounds plausible because it’s designed to produce coherent and contextually relevant language. Rather than admitting a lack of knowledge (which could disrupt the flow of conversation), language models are programmed to prioritize providing responses that are as complete and conversationally satisfying as possible."
Basically like a student who doesn't know the answer in class trying to BS the teacher.
Not bad, that's close to what I've been telling people wondering about the same question. In fact, it's eerily close, almost word for word in places; only thing missing is the burning hot hatred I ladle on the explanation.
"Yes, you can operate an airliner without any actual flight experience or training."
What it doesn't say is that doing so will end horribly for all those involved and is something that no one should ever try to do.
Sounds like computer-generated word salad.
HMMMMM...Where have I heard that before?
@@iknklstOf course “can you” is usually a yes. Now “should you” is a whole different kettle of fish.
Just saw a RUclips Ad,..
For an AI company doing some school districts Contract Awards.
Sounds like an easy Scam. Especially for other AI's.
I appreciate how much Lehto understands about AI. Most of these people USING the AI don't even understand what they are using!
We need federal laws making anyone using an AI responsible for everything it does. Responsible users check the work done by the AI. Anyone using it to replace human oversight of tasks needs to take responsibility for what the AI does. This is just a loophole allowing people to say terrible or fraudulent things while denying responsibility for what they do.
The only thing more laws accomplish is to make more lawyers richer.
This is an example of someone wanting a new law rather than enforcing the thousands already in place that address the same misconduct.
AI should never have the final say on making administrative decitions.
@@eddieraffs5909Absolutely incorrect.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." 10A, Bill of Rights
This AI BS is pissing my friends off. As a photographer, we hate the *robots" ripping off people's pics and spreading them on the internet
Meta AI on FB can't even get the location right!
Do you also hate all the good that were mass produced and not made by a master craftsman?
I never thought I’d have to explain this. Art is different than mass production. Plus you wouldn’t have even half the cheap crap you own if it didn’t exist.
If you upload to FB (or any product now owned by FB/Google/etc), you're feeding the beast. They've all updated their ToS to allow their AI to train on content.
Not only were they selling your usage data for years, they're now just directly profiting off of your data. The data you're _supposed_ to still have a de-facto copyright on in many cases.
@@havingfun-u4g not even the same thing
I am also of "a certain age" - probably a little older than Steve. Not only did we have a single phone in the kitchen, it was rotary dial (pre touch-tone)!
I'm only now reaching a certain age, I had a Nokia phone in the 5th grade, maybe 6th.
I am also of that age, we had the same and we had a "Party Line" to save money
I was too poor to have a phone. All I had was two paper cups.... and a string. 😥 But seriously, we had a single landline for years, in 1994 we got a second landline because I wanted it for internet. I was 13, and traded part of my allowance for the second phone line which I think was somewhere around $8/mo.
…and we learned critical thinking. Phones were communication devices, not replacements for conscious thought.
@@russbell6418 Amen!
"Leftover hallucinations" 😂😅😂
Think I might have had those one morning after
ROFL😂😅😂
Not a hallucination but a damned lie. Call it like it is.
Lying implies intent. It's like the difference between murder and manslaughter.
If you sincerely believed the Earth is flat, and you propagate that idea, despite literal mountains of evidence to the contrary, it wouldn't technically be a lie. It'd be a falsehood, but not a lie.
Similarly, AI has no intent to anything it does. The hallucinations are just biproducts of us expecting it to do more than it really can do. All it is doing is generating information-shaped sentences that just tell us what's statistically likely to complete the passage we are expecting it to write.
Nah, a lie takes intent. These LLMs _literally cannot_ lie because they're just computing decent sounding sentences. There is no real intent behind it. Unless you extend intent to the companies who put up these bots. THEY _absolutely_ are lying just by having promoted these as truthful tools. They _knew_ about hallucinations before pushing these to the public...
Yep, and these people are in charge of educating the kids no wonder kids are struggling.
It seems to me that using AI as a shortcut to doing your work is becoming a greater problem than Cell Phones. It sets a great example for kids when Educators are using AI to shortcut their work, while they stress not using AI to write your term papers.
Reading a lot of AI results is sort of like listening to a cop on the side of the road trying to make up laws that don't exist.
And if you question them on it, then you risk them injuring you because you didn't respect their authoritah.
I had an advisor in college tell me to write my dissertation and plug in citations afterwards. I didn't value the time, effort and expense of going for a PhD after that.
I have seen professional lawyers put non-existing cases in legal filings. It happens more than you would think. And that was before AI.
Again no consequences for publishing false information. We wonder why this continues to increase in frequency. How about a board resolution saying if you provide false information to the board, you get discipline up to and including dismissal.
Can we do that for all officials?? Government and societal. If "news" pundits also couldn't just openly lie without consequence, this country would be on a very, very different path.
"The misuse of technology is for me, not for thee." -Government Officials
Also:
"Lying is for me, not for thee." -Government Officials
I still can't afford an Apple phone
I won't have Crapple products. Never liked their business strategy. Same for Inhell, they like to steal IP then sue the creator.
The more we depend upon advanced technology without personal validation, the more we are digging our own graves.
I mean, it's a bit late with the oil industry and climate change... We've _already_ dug the grave for first-world living in many places. It's just a matter of time before mass migration begins even _without_ basic wars causing them.
We've had over _50 years_ of _knowingly_ moving in the wrong direction. Humanity is cooked _unless_ AI gets smart enough to take over responsibly, sadly enough.
Ben is leaning against a mic behind Steve's head
X-ray vision?
@@user-no1caresAt 4:51.
Good eye! I sure couldn't find it.
2:44 You might be just about to say this but first thought is: Even if you took them entirely at their word that the citations were filler for later, that means they were planning to just find evidence that matched what they already wanted the answer to be and pretend it informed their decision-making. Not the way policy-making or research on a topic is supposed to work. Educators should know better!
a legitimate filler citation would be more like dropping weblinks and book pages in with the intent of formatting the citation properly later. In that case, they'd actually have sources they were basing their assertions on!
AI should only be used as a directional reference in doing research. Quoting AI is pretty pathetic! Everyone thinks this will end well if they can be lazy... Thanks for the video Steve!
Ben - Steve... move your head!
Finally spotted Ben leaning against the mic behind Steve’s right ear
Looks like Ben L got the switched comments issue today.
Mornin' Bill
Are you sure that isn't a hallucination?
@@nensondubois Well, there was a time, long ago. 😂
Yeah, bureaucrats will find any way not to do their over payed, pensioned job.
paid
It is not just AI that is hallucinating.
Our politicians and government employees do it all the time.
I'd insist on kids having a cell phone for safety sake.
Usage is no different than rules in a school setting governing interactions with others.
Visiting passing notes, not paying attention.
Too much bullshit in even addressing this subject.
Where is common sense?
I think smart watches make more sense for this. They can GPS track and allow for emergency calls. However, they are often banned too.
I went to school while phones transitioned from dumb cell phones to modern smart phones. We already had a no phone in class policy and that was perfectly fine with most students.
The main usage was listening to music instead of bringing an additional Walkman or cd player, but you could also call to let the family know you went to a friends home after school, or that you missed the bus and might come an hour late.
In the later school years, when we had gaps in our schedule, we could do research for our homework without going to the computer labs.
There are always some children who ruin it for the others with video recording or trying to cheat in school, but those actions were already forbidden anyway. When my school considered banning phones my parents told me to keep mine in the bag. Teachers weren’t allowed to go through our stuff, so as long as it wasn’t actively used in school there would have been no problem. But sometimes it seems teachers forget that school is not everything in your life and maybe you need your phone after school without going home to fetch it first.
Ben sticking close to the middle short mic, behind Steve's head.
I don't feel so bad for my previous tardiness. Good morning/night Bob (edit)
@@BenLeitch Finally it's your turn, I bet you thought you were commenting to Bill😂
I’m even slower than the guy that took too long to find Ben.
G’nite Bob.
@@Bobs-Wrigles5555 Near miss. 😂
For many who write or enforce rules don't think they apply to them. Years ago at my job they has work place violence posters up on the walls. A boss attacked a worker. Those posters came down very quickly.
At my company, we are not supposed to let our vehicles idle.
I don't have any proof, but I seriously doubt the high ranking employees have to follow that rule.
@@shawbrosyour might be right. Speaking of rules for cars at companies parking lots. Someone complained to HR about trucks being plug in to outlets. Which we know are Block heaters for diesels. Well the Karen told HR that people were charging thier electric trucks. Mind you this was at a commercial truck plant. And after the company spent alot of money to get the diesels started extra personal and gear. The company said it was okay to use the outlets again.
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I know in graphic design they have paragraphs of meaningless random letters called "greeking". It purposely has no discernible text because the intent is to focus on the page layout and formatting.
Throughout my childhood, (& I’m about 5yrs or so younger than you, Steve), we did not even have a house phone. We lived 2 minutes walk either way to two payphones.
Only when I was in full time employment at 19yrs old, did I get us a phone.
Steve, I’m recently retired from elementary school teaching. Most of my career in second and third grade. Fabulous, magical, fun job 90% of the time btw.
It’s crazy how many 7 and 8 year olds have cell phones. One thing you should know though is that it’s rarely the higher students and rarely your best behaved kids. My school is in a solidly working class, blue collar neighborhood with over 50% of the families having long term ties to the school. The majority of kids with cell phone come from two groups, the financially struggling families and those at the top of neighborhood’s economic spectrum. It’s weird.
Love, love, love your channel, it’s like listening to a friend I grew up with chat, a really smart friend who actually has stuff to say that I can learn from.
I am a child of the 50s and no cell phone for my family either. My father knew how to repair TVs so we were lucky he could fix them. We all had to agree to which show to watch.
And you probably had a much better interaction as a family, by having shows in common for you to discuss that you all knew something about. Personalizing our entertainment is isolating us.
One of six here too Steve.....I'm in the middle as third oldest.....One girl, four boys and one girl in that order. I'm about the same age as you and grew up in the Detroit metro area. I still remember having the 313 area code (I actually remember the whole telephone number).....Our telephone was set up exactly like you said. There was no privacy at all.....Besides, mom was always talking to her friends. She was a stay at home mom and would have gone out of her mind with six kids and nowhere to go without that phone. We were poor but life seemed so sweet at that age. Although we didn't have much my folks always made due.
This is the problem that AI is the ultimate tool for generating 'alternative facts'.
10:10 The people using generative AI and not checking for hallucinations were probably using their cell phones during school instead of paying attention!
How much of taxpayers money was wasted on this? Likely hindereds of thousands of dollars when adding up all the salaries and three course catered meals, the workshop to study the policy, create the policy, debate the policy, and start the cycle again
What happens if an "expert" testifies by citing non-existent research, links leading nowhere, documents referencing themselves, etc.?
That has happened, although I can't remember what the final judgement was. Generally being discredited like this is career ending
@@jacobfreeman5444 Ironic how human "experts" making shit up, get their career ended, but AI companies just get a small bit of bad publicity we all laugh at, and then forget about, without even being punished for it.
18 U.S.C. § 242 Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law Defendants act under color of law when they wield power vested by a government entity. Those prosecuted under the statute typically include police officers, sheriff’s deputies, and prison guards. However OTHER government actors, such as judges, district attorneys, other public officials, and public school employees can also act under color of law and can be prosecuted under this statute. The Department has also prosecuted public officials for thefts, false arrests, evidence-planting, and failing to protect someone in custody from constitutional violations committed by others. When at school you are in the custody of the school. if a President can be put on trial then the US can also have a "JURISTS' TRIAL" Make The Nuremberg Trials Great Again‼How might the different emphases and mechanisms for enforcement be explained by events that happened between the passage of the Civil Rights Bill of 1866 and the Enforcement Acts of 1870 and 1871?🤣🙉🙈🙊
No one can read OR write anymore?! If you produce Ai generated docs, you should be legally responsible for it's contents.
(I have never paid over $200 for a phone, which is the one i have now. And it's five years old! And I have never used fruit for a communication device.)
There is a precedent set by a case against Air Canada that establishes exactly that: a legal obligation to take responsibility for the contents of AI communication.
Their customer service chatbot made up policies in the customer's favor, that don't exist. The courts ordered Air Canada to pay out what their chatbot promised. The dollar figure in question: about $800. I forget if that was USD or CAD. An insignificant amount of money compared to an airline's profits, but still a good precedent to be set.
Cell phones in should be banned in class except for emergency
Define “emergency”. Particularly when the cell phone is locked out of the child’s reach when the shooting starts.
One thing computers really excel in is their ability to exponentially multiply stupidity. Garbage In, Garbage Out is best applied to a landfill. With computers, Garbage In instantly equals mountains of garbage out!😂😂😂😂
Steve, in my case things were worse. We were so poor that I didn't get an allowance so I had to gather bike parts from what neighbors threw away and make one bike from several discarded bikes.
Good morning from San Antonio
I enjoyed your comments about phones and TVs from when you were a kid. For me, private phone conversations didn't exist. In addition to the phone mounted to the kitchen wall and my whole family knowing what I said, we had a party-line, so another family knew what I said. When our TV broke down, I had to unplug all of the vacuum tunes in the TV and carry them downtown to the TV repair shop. They had a machine that I used to individually test each tube to find the defective tube. I'd show the repair guy the defective tube and he'd sell me a replacement. We'd haul all of the tubes back and reinstall them.
A lot of service providers will actually give your family a phone for cheap or free when you sign up with them. My family hasn’t paid full price for an iphone since whenever the iPhone x came out
You are likely still paying for that phone. They just add the minimum payment through your bill. Maybe not even giving it a title that makes it clear this is to pay off the phone.
@ I’m sure we’re paying off the phones through our plan. But from what I remember, we ended up paid less monthly when we were given the phones. My point is, that you can newer phones without the massive up-front cost. It also helps to know one of the sales people :)
If officials are using AI to do their job, why do we need the officials? Fire the idiots. Fire the idiots who hired the idiots. Fire the idiots who listen to the idiots.
A.I. should absolutely not be allowed to be used for writing any official documentation or school work on any level of education. A.I. has uses but this is not one of them.
And these are the same people who would come down on students for using AI and declare plagiarism. Hypocrisy at its finest. The American Way.
As another guy of a certain age, Dr. Timothy Leary would be pleased to see his word repurposed to this new definition!
I honestly think this is the scariest part of AI. Not a terminator type thing but it seems like humans just do not want to have to think about anything. They will get AI to do all and answer every question. Maybe I’m a nut but I can see this as a path to destroy much of our civilization just by making humans not do anything anymore. It’s sad to me.
My parents were both teachers as well. When the TVs broke back in the 70s they would send me down to the electronics store with all the tubes (numbered) and test each and every one of them. I would find 2 or 3 that were dead or weak and, if I was lucky, replacing them would bring the TV back to life. It was always a huge relief when it slowly powered up, but also a huge sense of accomplishment. Good times with no cell phones!
I'm old enough that our tv had no transistors but was full of Tubes. Radios were the same way. Tubes.
They need Ai to write a policy on cell phones? Hey kids, don’t use your cell phone in class.
I don't understand how this is such a controversial issue. My parents had no issues contacting me when I was in school. My parents supported my teachers decision if my DS or gameboy advanced was taken away during class.
@@MegaLokopoone could also say unlawful search and seizure of private property….just saying.
@@mikepalmer1971 They are kids, it wouldn't be unlawful if their parents supported it, which mine did and theirs did, because when you are in school you should be focused on learning, not scrolling X. Which specific law would they be breaking? not all search and seizure of private property is unlawful, and you don't always need a warrant.
@ Just saying don’t get butt hurt. What if the parents did not support it?
@@MegaLokopo I'll take the other side here. While I attended in the pre-cell phone days, I did bring a laptop to class in high school to complete my mandatory senior project. (I was arranging music so I needed a very specific application to do so.) From the sounds of the whining I see about phones, it sounds like these people would also have gotten mad at me. Cause think about it; my laptop can do all the same distracting things as a smart phone. So would you be in favor of banning my device if I was in school now in the same scenario? And if not, if there is a distinction, then go ahead - ban cell phones. All the students will just bring a laptop to class instead.
(Being honest with my position, I'm not sure if that would be better or worse for the students. I guess the question comes down to internet access, but I could probably figure out a way to set it up for people so I can't naturally assume those students would have been like I was back in the olden days of dial-up.)
This is progress. We've come a long way since _the dog ate my homework._
Scare that these people are in charge of educating our youths. . . 🧐
Gen Z-er here (born in 2003), I can give more context about phones in schools from my perspective. I don't know if this is a nationwide thing, but my state has a program that offers free phones for people on welfare. I got my first phone in middle school and it was one of those. Mine wasn't a smartphone, but my brother's was (he's 4 years younger than me and got his around the same age as I did). Even if the kids' parents don't qualify for government-issued phones, most middle-class households have monthly payment plans on their phones from what I understand. All of that to say there's a good chance that most kids in at least middle school will have smartphones, and ones who don't stick out like a sore thumb. I'm unsure of if elementary school kids have their own phones, but 1) I wouldn't be surprised at all if a rich kid had one, and 2) there's already a desire for a smartphone amongst Gen Alpha; smartphones and tablets are the new "object parent gives to child so they'll be distracted and leave them alone" if that makes sense. Not trying to parent shame, but that's just what I've seen in my experience.
Less than 0:45 seconds in. "Not Ready for prime time" seems to cover this Situation. I live in a fairly small town, and I spoke with a fellow with a Badge attached to the front of his "Blouse." (I was told that the A.I. Program that Comes Attached to the camera webbed to his chest works "Pretty well.") And then I recall a Steve Lehto quotation, something Like, "Within the next 12 months . . . ."
I had a similar "hallucination" in high school when I thought Wikipedia had republished some of my work so I repurposed it for a research paper. But they claimed it was plagiarism. AI getting special treatment?
Looks like fraud to me
You can GIVE the AI REAL research publications as part of the prompt to be included in the text, but you can't just tell it to create citations, because it will simply make up academic-sounding text. Nor can you feed it with wrong citations intending to remove them later, because those wrong citations will influence its output.
Rules for cellphone use in school:
1. All students MUST turn OFF their phones when you enter the school.
2 .Phones may only be turned on when you leave school after the closing bell.
Failure to do so will result in your phone being confiscated. If this occurs more than once your phone WILL NOT BE RETURNED.
With all these hallucinations provided by AI, I would like to give these AI models a new more fitting name. I'm calling it Likely Simulated Data or LSD for short
I use AI all the time to write code. It can write faster than I can type but I have to proof every line, every space.
Physics is has the most place holders of any science. For example dark matter and dark energy.
AI will serve to make mankind even more ignorant.
3:42 It may be easy to catch now but I've noticed a big increase in the number of Google searches where the first hit is AI generated. SO it may be coming that you search for a fictitious AI generated reference and the search engine AI says it's valid and may even produce a totally AI generated document in support.
That moment when those who "teach" tell a student to do thier homework and get proper citations for thier papers and yet they themselves can't and won't bother to do so.
Schools: Students are not allowed to use AI on school work.
The schools: We use AI to generate text for use in even basic things in schools.
The most Alaska thing ever is is the head or education plagiarizing a report created by AI.
AI probably relies on web sites like Wikipedia.
People should try using REAL INTELLIGENCE!
To Steve's point about cellphones as kids, I wonder if it does actually save money? Kids these days rarely, if ever, buy a board game, go to the arcade, go to the theaters, rent a movie, buy a movie, etc. All those things I got as gifts as a kid in the 90's have a version that is free on a phone. Legos are one of the few things that have held up over the years 😂
I would also guess those kids don't often get the brand new iPhone. They get the hand me down when the parent upgrades their phone.
Be scared of when AI both creates the document AND insert fake scholarly journals in online journal sites.
I wouldn't be surprised if AI is just being used as a scapegoat. It's just as likely that an actual human inserted some "hallucinations" and just hoped no one would notice.
I survived a childhood without TV.... My parents didn't believe in TV. One summer my sister borrowed a black-and-white TV from someone. We had no cable, and could pull in exactly one channel over the air (the local NBC affiliate). So every evening we'd sit down to watch To Tell The Truth followed by reruns of Hogan's Heroes. When those were over, it was off to our rooms to read library books.
"Leftover hallucinations" sounds like a great grunge band!
Just hit me, wonder if Steve's parents "broke" the tv themselves intentionally to get the boys off of it.
Tvs had tubes and the tubes wore out and blew. I'm sure the also had rabbit ears and tin foil.
STEVE LEHTO: When the first Chatgpt came out i was using it testing it out asking all sorts of question. I asked it once to give me a explanation on a alien faction in a game i was playing and it gave me a combination of logic that made no sense. I figured that the AI had access to some of the information and combined it with other closely related information to give me an answer that it though would of been correct logically, which obviously was not correct at all. It was like multiplying two negative numbers together to get you the correct answer which was not correct.
-2 X -2 = 4 when you are looking for 2 + 2 = 4.
"Dad the TV broke"
"Woohoo! No more cable bill! Finally I can get you to play outside for free!"
If you wanted to talk privately on a house phone you had to convince your parents they need to get the 20 foot cord. I doubt my parents spent on all five of us what parents spend on one child for Xmas today.(Even adjusting for inflation.) My oldest brother solved the private phone call using a wall phone. He took French just like his girlfriend did. He could have plotted our demise and we wouldn't have known.
I was an AI in middle school. I made up quotes to beef up my English essays. I became sentient over the years.
You mentioned going to play outside. . . Nowadays, if a parent permitted that, it's a fair chance some neighbor will call the police. Sign of the times.
Back in those days ... we also had pay phones everywhere! Just try and find one today! Nothing like standing in line at a pay phone to call Mom and Dad to come get you after a ballgame or a movie!
A friend of mine learned to talk REALLY fast, he would call his mom collect and when it said "state your name" he said "momitskennypickmeupatthemall". She would refuse the charges, but she got the message.
One Up Manship. I grew up with a "Part Line", and teenage neighbors.