Ana, Cenk Find A BIG PROBLEM With Study That Claims Retail Theft Is Going DOWN
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- There's a major problem with a viral study that claims shoplifting in America has gone down. Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian discuss on The Young Turks.
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"There’s been much handwringing over the scourge of shoplifting in America since 2020. To hear some retailers and politicians tell it, retail crime is out of control across the country.
The trouble with that story is, it’s not accurate."
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The reason they excluded New York and LA was to give a reality check for news consumers in the rest of the country, who have been seeing non-stop freak out stories about organized gangs stealing merchandise.
They excluded them to artificially lower the numbers to support the conclusion that they want
That is the way I first heard it reported, but I am not sure where.
@@sayuas4293 knowing areas where crime is more or less of a problem does help in focussing on those areas with a better idea of what is actually working and what doesn't -at least to some extent. Whether or not they were attempting to just inform or had some conspiracy to deceive, once we have the full stats, we can decide to make good use of them.
Here in Chicago, as large retailers leave or upgrade security the organized gangs move to the suburbs.
Exactly. The first thing the majority of people (who don't live in big cities) think about crime is that it's on the rise. But ask them if they know of any incidents in their local area and what you'll get is "one of my neighbor's hundreds of Amazon's deliveries was nicked" story.
I actually support this study...partly.
Why? Simply because when we hear so many reports giving us crime stats, many of them claim to be show a % of the country as a whole, when the increases have actually been in specific cities. Some reports point out this distinction, but many do not, especially if your TRYING to skew the numbers to show a "nation wide" crime spike, when this study proves the spikes are only happening in specific cities. if there's a crime spike in Chicago, that does not necessarily mean that crime is up across Illinois. Details matter. 🇺🇲
Idk… crime seems to be up in the small rural towns I work in since the pandemic. Not all but a lot. Compiling all the data to be able to separate by whatever criteria may skew results is important though. We need to be able to have more micro stats as well as macro.
I can't believe you guys were proven wrong with facts and then doubled down.
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
The regressive far-left has lost Ana. That's how insane they are these days. She didn't left the democrat party. The democrat party left her when it embraced left-wing radicalism, lawlessness, and put the interests of the fringe minorities over the interest of Americans. She has nothing to apologize for. We need more normies like her and less crazy activists.
Shoplifting increases in the two most expensive cities in America. Gee, imagine that. 🙄
That's not an excuse to shoplift non-essential items. We aren't talking milk and bread. Get a job!
@@SupportTheArts-yo8oxExactly. I'm so sick and damn tired of people using poverty as an excuse to steal LUXURY items.
@@iii___iii I know it feels counterintuitive, but even the theft of luxury goods overwhelmingly results from economic desperation. We can put a SWAT team in every Macy's, or we could focus on policies that improve people's lives
I vote for the second option.@@masonhoughton7885
@@masonhoughton7885 Or we can punish criminals AND focus on economic policies. Stop making excuses for these animals. I can see if they were stealing a loaf of bread or a gallon of milk to feed starving children, but they're SWATTING and LOOTING to steal LUXURY items to "flex" on social media.
Even in larger cities shoplifting is just a convenient excuse to close underperforming stores.
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
I really do think it is legitimate to exclude 1 city if it makes that much difference in the statistics. NYC must have a horrendous problem that should have been highlighted to the Nth degree with an analysis of why and how it happened. If the rest of the US is going down and NYC is going up enough to change the statistics that much it is highly important.
it sounds like the study is saying "shoplifting is up in NY and LA and down in the rest of the USA". this is not lying, it is a necessary clarification: people are seeing the rise in crime in LA or NY and wrongly thinking it is all over America. maybe LA and NY need some increased enforcement, but other areas do not.
Crazy that all the comments get it but the people who run a news show dont.
I agree. It's an important thing to note. I first thought they were saying crime in New York is down, if you exclude NYC. But they're talking about the whole country. So, it's actually a pretty interesting observation.
@@omarisawesome1996 Ana and Cenk get it. They just want to cater to the audience who likes to fearmonger about crime.
Excluding outlers is NORMAL statistical analysis. In this case, you can either say - "shiplifiting is up in america" or you can say "shoplifting is down in most places, where most of you live, but there are some exceptions."
Which sentence is more reflective of reality?
It's not as if they said "shoplifting is down" and you'd assume it was until you sorted through all their data and found out they misrepresented. No, they stated it EXACTLY as it is and actually gave us MORE information, and more USEFUL information by saying it the way they did. So to answer your question, Ana, THAT IS WHY they said that. Honestly, is so obvious I'm finding it difficult to believe you aren't being intentionally obtuse just so you throw shade at the source (who deserve plenty of shade, but c'mon). You're not making them look bad here, you're making yourselves look stupid.
the alt-right koolaid is too strong. I think we've lost her
You only think crime is down if the msm isnt showing it or down playing it as it makes one demographic of the population look like they are in proportionally committing crimes
@@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301 Ana fell down the right wing pipeline a long time ago. She’s getting worse.
@@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301 The regressive far-left has lost Ana. That's how insane they are these days. She didn't left the democrat party. The democrat party left her when it embraced left-wing radicalism, lawlessness, and put the interests of the fringe minorities over the interest of Americans. She has nothing to apologize for. We need more normies like her and less crazy activists.
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
You guys are completely disingenuous on this topic. You were *proven* wrong and you’re doubling down? You lost my vote, Cenk. I will be voting for Maryanne Williamson in the primary and holding my nose and voting for Biden in the general. I appreciate that Cenk will ride or die with Ana…but come on: this is supposed to be *journalism* .
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
The regressive far-left has lost Ana. That's how insane they are these days. She didn't left the democrat party. The democrat party left her when it embraced left-wing radicalism, lawlessness, and put the interests of the fringe minorities over the interest of Americans. She has nothing to apologize for. We need more normies like her and less crazy activists.
Always be skeptical of top stories on Fox News and supermarket tabloids.
Ok. I’m confused now. Because I just heard a story from On The Media that these stories about these “smash and grab” thefts were bunk put out by the retailers to get the states to pay for their in-store security.
And I live in NYC and haven’t seen anything.
words to live by
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
@@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301 America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
"Imprison the masses! save the merchandise!" The ad revenue has put worms in your brains
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are
Ana can not stop pushing her pet narrative.
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
For profit prisons....and the conection between crimes...poverty and mental illness.
I'm noticing a change in tonality at TYT.
They realize their is a good chance the Don will win, do they want to be able to hang their hat on the right a bit.
@@nosuchthing8 LOL, how Biden is doing such a great job. Everyone will come out and vote for him. 🤣🤣
@@GrandChessboard seems that one upper class twit almost died from the disease he once called a hoax...
HARD PASS ON THE DON
@@GrandChessboard inflation is WAY down after universal inflation after the pandemic.
@@nosuchthing8 Yeah, real inflation is only 13% now.
Contrasting a outlier to the general trend is a good point being made by the study. It is literally telling you that the city is skewing the average. It is telling you that the city is the problem.
and cities are a product of capitalism.
There are reasons to exclude outliers from your dataset. If you are studying the effects of income inequality on bipoc americans you have one participant making 45k another making 40k and another makin 37k then you have Vivek Ramiswamy 450k, Vivek is going to scew the numbers so much that they become unusable. The smae principle applies here. New York has the largest population of any city in the U.S. about 8 million thats about a quarter the population of California. So it's not unreasonable to say there is something abnormal about New York and exclude it.
@@jshowao-rw1dhits been years since ana and cenk took stat class i guess
And if security guards put hands on shoplifters they lose their jobs.
Correct…most times, security must call the police but are normally not allowed to touch the shoplifters. Employees are normally not allowed to even CONFRONT a shoplifter, but security can confront, but not touch.
In this case, the security guard talked to the person and coerced them into giving back the stolen items, and then they LET HIM GO!
This shoplifting idiot didn’t thank his lucky stars that he was allowed to go without incident, but instead came back to kill the guards. Enjoy prison bud!
@@Kidd23Kidds and most times the police take a really long time to show up, if they show up at all.
It was different back in the 1990's.
I worked as an LP (Loss Prevention) and we used to fuck thieves up. Body slams and everything. All over a 15 dollar Tupac CD.
I did that job for years, then got stabbed by a pair of scissors one day and decided it was time to move on. It was a great job for awhile though. I'd just came out of the military and was still young and froggy, so it made for a good transition to civilian life.
Data sets can sometimes have the extreme outliers removed to gain an understanding that would otherwise be hidden
If anything, this tells us that we need to fix something in NY.
Or to get to the results you want.
I had a 6 week course on datascience at work. We were told to never exclude outliers.
Why are people stealing at higher levels? Because of the cost of living dramatically increasing. And why is it increasing? Because of the increase in money printing? Why are we printing more currency? Because we have to finance our government debt which has skyrocketed. Why has it skyrocketed? Because of the endless wars, wasteful government spending, giveaways to the richest corporations.
Ding ding ding
So the study says that crime is down everywhere by 7% except for in New York City? Is it not valuable to see that crime in NYC is an outlier compared to the rest of the nation?
yeah if you not count the numbers which have been counted last year it gets down... amazing.
Weren’t they just trying to say that shoplifting has been going down in general but not in New York?
Meanwhile the CEOs of these retailers brag about record profits during earnings calls and admit that they exaggerated the effect that theft is having on business
Ana is here to help them grift with her unsubstantiated claims about crime.
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
@@shekool18 America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
What's the point? What are your productive policy proposals specifically, Ana and Cenk? Who needs TYT to watch KCAL 9?
Weren't republicans called racist for pointing this out?
The decriminalization of lesser crimes was a result of the court systems getting bogged down with misdemeanors.
What’s your damn point Anna…I’ll have to hear it because I do not know where you’re going with excluding New York and LA. I think it interesting that that is the case…at least that the contrast was presented without including those two violent cities.
It's not so troubling that 60% goes to salaries if their main activity is lobbying. It is troubling that 44% goes to executive pay.
lol and that they keep adding cents every day or week to each and everything they sell while decreasing the size of everything or the amount in their products and/or the quality of their products, we're all getting conned by everyone it's insane. Sadly I don't think that the nation will come together as it otherwise would, they've done such a good job at dividing us...
You know what people with adequate economic opportunities don't do? Petty crime. Can we get a cost of living adjustment and a raise or are Republicans just going to both ends this. "You can't ask for a raise, communist". And then simultaneously saying, "Democrats want to live off food stamps, because they're lazy communists". 🤦
Women math..that’s 104%
LOL ahhh the gram of dab made me miss that, lmfao- I don't even remember what the numbers were in the TYT, either way, we're getting robbed, why does everyone just go along with dub the cost and 1/4th or 1/5th less if not moreso, lower quality with barely a f-uc*k to give as to whether or not the consumer gets fu)ck*&ed or not lol, we let too many get away with too much, hopefully we're tempered when retribution is in reach. @@bradadult2075
Shoplifting rules. Everyone should try it.
That's what I've been looking for 👊
So the headline should be Retail Theft Is Going Up In New York City.
It is all over the country, but sure mostly in places where they don't enforce those laws.
Ironically, Adams won NYC on a "tough on crime" platform, the city that brought the stats up for criminality.
Cenk said his own viewers who don't agree with these right-wing crime fear mongering talking points have “lost their minds.” And Ana questioned if they even care about black people. If that's what they think about me, then I’m finally joining the thousands of others who are cancelling our TYT memberships 😂 Ana and Cenk's shift to the right and support for tough-on-crime policies just won't slow down. I can no longer financially support the network.
TYT: Crime bad.
You: What is this right-winged bullshit? Unsubbing.
When parody becomes reality lmao
@@Flora_Pinky You keep leaving the same comment, but it still fails to make any logical point. Yes, I cancelled my membership because TYT is far from progressive on this issue. Do you continue to financially support things you disagree with?
I don’t like tyt cause they’re far left, but in this case you saying you support crime and disorder?
@@fartnutssupreme4930 Nope. You can very clearly see what I said was I don’t agree with right-wing crime fear mongering talking points.
@@Tylerrl1664 You still haven't given any examples of these so-called "right-wing crime fear mongering talking points."
This is why peer-review is critical.
Ana, that's actually how studies have always been done. You give stats, and then you give other stats taking away the outliers. They literally gave you ALL the stats, even the ones YOU cited. Smh...
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
If I don't count the meat and fish I am eating, I am a strict vegetarian 😉
Will you report on what Reuters claimed about shoplifting gangs being a lie?
LOL! I've students in my classroom who talk about these retail theft groups!
@@j.d.waterhouse4197 Cool anecdotal evidence, bro
Biden zombie. Get help fool
It wasn't a lie. Simply a mistake.
They originally attributed around 50% of their loss to theft/ organized crime rings...but they say a more accurate number would be 35%, not 50%.
The president of the Retail Industry Leaders Association’s says that organized crime cost U.S. retailers nearly $70 billion a year.
Anyway, I welcome everyone to google the story and read it for themselves.
@@tompriceusmc Awfully charitable that you’re being with a president for an advocacy group called Coalition of Law Enforcement and Retail. Very objective, very data base reporting. Especially when the “mistake” is almost doubling the actual amount.
It is normal practice to exclude outlier data points that can skew the picture of the whole. It is not like they aren't letting you know what data was excluded. What would be deceitful is to publish headlines that say "Crime up nationwide" when it is actually down everywhere except in one outlier.
Yeah but what they're doing isn't that. They're excluding the actual picture that you wanted to see and dismissing it as an outlier because it doesn't align with the picture they're trying to sell you. Nobody cares about the shoplifting rates in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, they care about the shoplifting in big cities like New York. Reporting that shoplifting is down in irrelevant places and making that sound like it's a relevant data point is a grossly disingenuous attempt to steer and manipulate the narrative around shoplifting, that's all there is to it.
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
Oh boy Vaush is going to have a good segment on this
Lol he just made one, but I'm on their side with this one. If you are excluding things you are misleading, plan and simple.
But they are focusing on one city 😭
@@kylewilzon8612 but they weren’t excluded. They were included, and then set aside as outliers. Certain regions had a rise in crime, most had a decrease.
Ana channelling the 90s with her “soft on crime” rhetoric. Also in the 90s politicians postured as tough on crime by legislating harsher sentencing leading to the USA having one the worlds largest prison populations, so obviously that made the USA the safest country?
Mike Robert car theft Instant Karma
That would be racist Joe Biden’s 3 strikes and your out 1990s criminal legislation he championed. You remember the racist who said klansmen democrat Senator Byrd was his good friend and mentor
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So instead of 50% it was actually 5%, maybe.... they played everyone for fools.
12,000 dollars at Nike is 12 pairs of shoes😅😊😂 make it make sense
I'm still watching this but so far in the beginning you guys are off track again. The point of excluding New York City and other hot beds is to show national statistics. Is shoplifting up or down in America. Certain cities are having so much problems that their data can be misleading. By excluding these areas you get a better picture of what's happening nationally. However this doesn't do anything to diminish the severity of those areas. It's like if you're reviewing 10 of the safest cities in America and you also look at Chicago, the Chicago data is going to muddy the waters for everything else. Two things can be true. Retail theft can be down in America while also be up in certain areas. Every city is different. Every state is different. It's not complicated but let's see where you guys are going
Exactly, I do this all the time.
When I list my weight, I don't count my 70 pound gut...because that would just muddy the waters. The rest of me is in great shape...so I count all of my body except my fat ass gut.
If you're looking at Nationwide numbers, when did New York City not become part of the nation?
agreed... thats like taking a poll of ppl on welfare, but lets exclude the Red states... .... yay... its down... but calculate that in, its where its normally is +-5% of the YoY average or even the 10yr. and when companies say theft is causing the raise in prices, your a tool for believing in that...
Exactly
…. So basically you are saying “try that in a small town”
Ana & Cenk we have a big problem with how you cover retail crime.
Silence the truth!
Wait, who’s the fascist again?
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are
Unarmed security is a joke
Lemme give everyone a statistics lesson really quickly: in stats, there are things called outliers, aberrations, things that're wildly different from the true data generating process. It would be like if we compared El Paso's homicide rate to Juarez or Colima or Los Cabos, some of the most violent areas in Mexico. It would be unfair to El Paso, since places like these are so extreme, that the comparison isn't really warranted very much. So excluding NYC and LA is just something we'd expect from people who know what they're doing.
NYC is a huge population tho, so by excluding it they get "shoplifting down 7% overall instead of being up by 16%" but NY is almost 3% of the countries population so for those 3% they are experiencing extreme shoplifting frequency. Why should their suffering be excluded?
@Harkness78 the reason is because we wish to make inferences about a broader population, to hopefully guide policy analysis or recommendations. So, if one place (that has a high population, and thus more crime in general on average as a raw number) experiences a big shock (or any shock really), it can lead people to think that 16% of the countries shoplifting rates are up, but in reality, for 97% of the other people in the country, this isn't true, that it's went down.
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
Ana: Cope, cope, cope, cope. But muh narrative!
How about the study showing that retailers simply made up retail theft statistics? How about the Walgreens executive admitting that theft scares where overstated?
WHAT study? Oh please post this supposed 'study' so we can all read it.
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
It seems the stats, when looked at critically, actually pinpoint the problem areas. Am I missing something?
From what I am seeing, Anna and Cenk are missing what you are saying.
You're missing you're smarter than the host.
@@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301 I’m not, but thanks
Could do a study and chose to leave out crimes committed by which ever ethnicity commits that crime the most and watch it drop too
@@idontwantcorporateretaliat6301 America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
The value of goods stolen in shoplifting cases has gone up, because the value of goods has gone up. It's not that people are stealing more things. It's that the stores are charging more for the same items, so stealing the same items would show an increase in dollar value. Theftflation. Honestly, that probably contributes to shoplifting as well. People can't afford the things they need, so they resort to stealing.
If you want to reduce shoplifting, increase wages. Make sure everybody can get a good job that pays them enough money to buy the things they need, and people won't go out and steal the things they need.
You don’t NEED anything from macys
You're talking about economics which progressives immediately forget about when it comes to crime and the effects poverty has on people. Ana especially forgets about progressive economics when gets has stories about thefts.
@@user-qi6nw5mc3sclothes?
I've seen some of these shoplifters making their escape in $50,000 cars
False. People are literally stealing more things because they are getting away with it.
Here we go Ana wants “broken windows” again!
umm..how?
I just unsubscribed.
🤣
Bye!!!!
Why? Because they were talking about you?
@@tsunami2447 ya he wants free stuff
@arbor-sq4jk He is clearly one of the unemployed, and TYT used to give him excuses for being a bum, now they aren't. So he mad.
Didn’t they report about false claims of theft at Walgreens?
I live two blocks away. Didn’t even hear the story happened until family mentioned it days later.
So glad I don’t live in a big metro area anymore! I feel much safer in a small town among good law abiding moral people. 🙏
@11:45, Gawd! Ana is so annoying! Always interrupting Cenk with her loud screeching voice.
Well well well are we getting some good ol' cope from TYT on this issue!? Juicy!
I'm much more interested in why there is more crime, not just numbers. When ppl have nothing to lose and can't truly afford the cost of living, they're obviously more likely to engage in criminal activity. Rather than attack criminal reform, why not address the real issues education, opportunity, and cost of living.
Nike does not sell eggs and milk. Stop reaching.
Having no consequence for committing crimes is also an issue.
It's always the blind accounts with the troll comments. If you understood the level to which consumerism has corrupted people, you would also understand that when ppl have nothing...they crave the trappings that signify wealth. For some, thats brand name clothing. When this starts happening at grocery stores...things will be very dangerous indeed. If there's a smash and grab on food, the pitchforks are only an arms length away. The point remains the same though. If you can afford to go shopping for clothes, one generally doesn't just steal them.
@validatedclassified2564 agreed, the problem in America is that if u go to jail for stealing. It's because u didn't steal enough. Insider trading, white collar crime, self dealing on government contracts, political grifting, selling top secret info to foreign nations, not paying the same percentage of taxes that ppl who make a fraction of your income, the list goes on. But by all means let's freak out and take the bait on blaming poor (in terms of wealth) opportunists instead of the rich ones who create an environment where this becomes a thing.
It's a tough situation for corporations. Either move to the outskirts and lose a lot of clients, or stay in the cities with the risk of losing out on business due to shoplifting. Quite frankly, I don't care.
Stores Closing = Decreased Shoplifting
No One Reports Crimes = Crime Statistics Decrease
Stores closing = declining economic activity
my girlfriend says i drink way to much but if you exclude beer i haven't drank in years .
Well since many retailers are closing down that would reduce thefts .
Ya BUTTT most retail stores don't report the crime because the police won't do anything or show up.
Dude these poor guards, I hope Macy's is gonna do something for their families
Of course the young reactionary turks would take this position
Damn TYT is right wing now? What am I even listening to?
Anna stopped just short of blaming "George Soros prosecutors" 🤣
This has been obvious for a while. They seem to have relevancy problems and are hence essentially catering to reactionary audiences. Ana in particular has been pushing the right-wing 'libs are soft on crime' nonsense for a while now.
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are
@@Porter-88 America is definitely not a European country. And no real american would ever say something so stupid.
That Macy’s is a pretty easy spot to target too. There are multiple exits/entrances that go all around the block.
if shoplifting data indicates shoplifting grew 16% overall but drops by 7% when excluding new york… that’s not a “trick” it literally means there was an increased number of shoplifting incidents in new york and a decreased number of shoplifting incidents in other cities overall compared to 2019.
it’s actually helpful that they pointed that out cause if they just said “shoplifting reports were 16% higher compared to 2019” and said nothing else then people would assume that shoplifting increased in every single city when that’s not necessarily true. not sure why tyt can’t seem to grasp this, but not all americans live in the biggest cities so for those in smaller cities or rural communities it makes perfect sense look at the data exclusive of the biggest cities. cmon people it’s not that complicated, please use your brains…
why are goods getting locked down across the country then ? its just a NY problem as it seems.
Raise wages and this will drop drastically. Simple solutions to major problems NOT THE AMERICAN WAY!
Big cities are usually blue. They have the right to raise the min wages in their own cities.
They're stealing $200 dolar sneakers and not food.
Don't low wages affect all races and not just one?
Weird , huh?
I live in a very small town 1800 people and all the stores i asked said their theft was up
My small town has no theft and President Trump signs. Never seen a Biden sign.
Shop lifting is up ANA! We business Owners no longer report it as police don’t care!
Not only can you not read... you can not listen.
With Ana again starting the video with the scariest story, you just know that there’s not going to be a rational discussion of facts.
Ana’s only problem with the figures presented by the non profit is not that the figures are incorrect but that she doesn’t like the framing. Yet Ana is the one using biased framing by saying “they have no choice but to confess and admit that” (the non profit showing crime increasing during the pandemic), so another way to put it is that they’re being honest? Apparently the non profit also saying store assaults are 7% down in the first half of 2023 compared to 2022 is not good, because it’s bad to show that crime is starting to trend downwards?
If only there was an explanation for all this like a world wide pandemic leading to traumatic loss of life and loss of money for governments and businesses and loss of earnings for workers which then led to an increase in crime (not only in the USA). Now that things are slowly improving, crime is slowly trending down in a number of countries.
It’s insane that a so called “home of the mainstream progressives” show is dredging up right wing rhetoric from the 90s like “soft on crime”. Cenk should now just drop “progressives” from the label.
Mexican American here in the democratic party just here to say your full of sh1t stop making excuses for them its been 3 years im from California if you don't have a job it's because you're lazy period
@@matscasualtimeAnd you’re hard of thinking if you believe I’m making excuses for crime rather than trying to find actual facts that would help lessen crime. Given that the that the USA has one of the highest prison populations in the world, it should also be the safest? Or maybe try rehabilitation and dealing with underlying causes that lead to crime in the first place.
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are
Ana and Crnk, I'm incredibly disappointed in the coverage here.
"I did a lot of digging on this" according to Ana, who repeatedly goes on to say this study is "cutting out the big cities". No. It's literally just NYC. Minus NYC alone, the numbers are down across the board.
"Why would you cut out NYC anyway?" Two reasons. The first being its a significant outlier, and you prune outliers in research. Second, NYC doesn't and shouldn't be given so much importance as to distort the stats for an entire country.
I live here. I'm more than happy to shit on Eric Adam's (by the way, Ana, care to integrate how a famously pro-cop mayor somehow has crime stats bad enough to distort the entire country's crime stats into your recent bend about left-wing DAs being the problem?).
"Values in shoplifting increased compared to 2019!" So did prices, massively. Some prices doubled or even tripled since 2019.
This coverage also doesn't even mention that, in the article, the retail chains themselves admit to lying about and hyping up the impact and significance of shoplifting the past few years.
Jesus christ, use your brain. Please.
It's refreshing to see reasoned criticism of Ana. I'm used to leftist ideologues simultaneously claiming that post-Roe America is the Handmaid's Tale and that "birthing person" couldn't possibly be an offensive term. Or insisting against all evidence that a year of estrogen fully counteracts the athletic advantages imparted by male puberty.
NYC is an outlier not because shoplifting is more prevalent but because unlike San Francisco and other places New Yorkers still report these incidents.
Why are there so many commenters with a dope analysis on this while right wing tyt doesnt get it? You should have a youtube channel bro.
You know how else to make the crime rate go down dont count the crimes committed by the ethnicity that commits crime the most
@@synchronium24 You people have trans derangement syndrome, no one was talking about trans people.
Are you not understanding that corporations in 2019 did not tell employees NOT to report the crime or call the POLICE You are making a huge mistake here
Criminals only do what society allows them to get away with.....
yo mama agree??
That explains Wall Street, they're worshipped as gods.
@@alexricky87 You have the freedom not to invest. But you don't have the right to smash and grab.
I'm the opposite of a shoplifter. I take any item I don't want any more into the store. When no-one's looking I put it on a shelf and walk out. Never been caught yet.
because that's more littering, they'd be annoyed but people drop shit all the time, probably someone else cleaning up your litter for you every time so who would track it? Do you do it to save on collection and trash pickup? There are easier ways...
So sad someone lost their life over this. Hope that POS gets life in prison.
Shoplifting vs Wall Street crime? Hmmmm
When the country was built to support one and not the other then the unsupported format of theft is wrong, or do you also like to try and slip a VHS into your dvd drive? america was built off of one small group riding another into the future and it's never changed, why let the thing you ride steal from you when that is ultimately lowering what you yourself can steal?
When i say that a crime was likely committed due to the person being poor, i dont also think that criminal shouldn't be prosecuted. I just think its important to keep in context WHO and WHY someone committed a crime so we can as a society find ways to address whatever systemic issues exist that lead to high crime numbers
Stop making excuses for animals like the one at the start of this clip. Nobody "needs" to steal anything.
Its not like we are talking about someone stealing baby formula .. its a guy walking in to gucci and stealing 50k in women clothing
@truthteller3206 yes and so he should be arrested and jailed. But one has to wonder that of that individual was making 60k a year and had a roof over his head and wasn't struggling to make ends meet, would he risk his life and livelihood over 50k worth of Gucci merchandise?
I know people I've worked with that would maybe try and shoplift a single bag or 2. Literally just to wear. But none that I know that would legit try and pull a heist lol. That's for desperate people or criminal enterprises. Random people doing ok don't do shit like that. Not worth the risk. People who got nothing to lose though...
I'm just exercising critical thinking on the subject. Bandaids are cool but of we can stop the cut before it happens that would be better
Its obvious the security guard was oppressing him.
Besides the Security Guard getting hurt, I don't care about retail theft. You realize these corporations have insurance policies that pay for the stolen goods and any damage done to the stores?
Thank you. I couldn’t say it better.
You realize that rising insurance prices leads to higher prices of goods?
@@waltlock8805 you realize that corporations raise their prices either way due to corporate greed. That's why so many corporations have had record profits during the pandemic. They blamed inflation while priced gouging customers.
The actual retail price of Nike sneakers are the real theft, imo. They don't even last.
They act as though they hv no food or clothes
This reminds me of Marion Barry the former mayor of Washington DC. In response to why the crime rate was so high in his city , his response was : if you exclude the murders… crime is actually down.
I remember how much TYT gave Clinton a hard time on being tough on crime now fast forward in 2023 she's a tough on crime progressive 😑
What about the recent report that retail lobbyists have admitted that their claims about organized shoplifting leading to store closures were bs? Reuters reported on this very recently. Please quit doubling down on this stuff, you're losing my faith in your reporting.
That’s what they’re referencing, without mentioning it. This is them sweeping it under the rug. I’m losing respect for tyt.
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
Maximum capacity prisons need to be filled somehow
LOL, but they are not being arrested so what are you talking about?
@@GrandChessboard do u want my attention? If I have to explain it to u then it's pointless as u haven't figured it out yet.
Lol ur so informative
can u say recidivism?
Keyboard warriors unite upon this lost soul so he may see the truth
wait he's blind nvm
@@boofmaster3274 LOL, what does that have to do with them not being arrested in the first place? If they don't go in once, then that is not recidivism. Try again...
@@GrandChessboard like I said if u don't get it ur not worth the explanation,
If u don't know the tactics involved in keeping maximum capacity prisons full then like I said
Ur not worth the explanation
I don't try I do
Lol hahaha
Also they just implemented in ny the ability to take u from ur home and lock u in a medical facility if u show any signs or symptoms of any diseases
So don't sneeze this winter holiday,
sorry this doesn't apply to u as you "obviously" operate outside the way the world works atm.
Happy Holidays to everyone in NY btw
always wanted to go...
I lived downtown Chicago. It looks like a police state, police line Michigan Ave. A total mess
good reporting!
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Retail theft is out of control, and those losses are simply being passed down to consumers.
The ability to earn a comfortable living wage and having a sense of "hard work pays off" is looking bleak and is looking like you can't get to even when you try. It's creating desperate characters resorting to shoplifting. Not speaking for people who can afford it but are just thrill seekers. Maybe behavioral changes by corporations and corporate representatives in Congress will reduce shoplifting?
I'm glad Ana did emphasize that we need prison reform. *That cannot be emphasized enough!*
Another day, another video of Ana and Cenk overblowing the a minor uptick in shoplifting without looking at how inflation and capitalism has made people desperate.
I live in LA. It’s not minor. I work in retail and we had workers getting hurt by criminals. You can’t leave your house without getting assaulted anymore. They’re not over blowing anything.
Someone was stabbed to death idk what was shoplifting about that. Goofy
What Biden is not doing a good job? I thought inflation was down?
@@slava8617 why is crime up in LA? Like everywhere else that has higher crime, they higher and higher housing and living cost which leads to more and more people being pushed to the fringes of society.
@@stevenjohnson891 their whole argument was that this wouldn't be happening if more shoplifters were arrested
I am sorry. I live in a suburb by Minneapolis and have witnessed several large thefts right in front of my eyes. Mall workers I have spoken with at a variety of Malls, pharmacies, grocery, etc. all say they are fearful to go to work. I have never seen anything like this. We have lost 3 stores. I do not need a statistic to tell me what I see and hear where I live and shop. The defund the police movement was a horrible idea.
"Defund the police" wasn't a horrible idea since it barely got any traction and was immediately demonized and Democrats ran away from it. The problem of the police getting military equipment and having them act more like an occupied army instead of a peaceful force designed to resolve confrontations, is still a very serious problem that so needs to be addressed. There's absolutely no reason these big cities have police budgets higher than the budgets for public schools.
@@alexricky87 They are not an occupying force outside these businesses that is for sure. Calling for defund the police is why it got nowhere. Call it something else next time and maybe we can get somewhere. Because people still want police when something happens.
100% correct. Defund the police was a tactic for criminals to operate with more freedom.
Not security if you don’t have a gun.
Right wing TYT with the petty crime report.
at least the right wing audience recruitment is working@@michaelmoreno9627
America is a european country, however 6% of the population (blackmails) commits 52.6% of deletions, 33.3% of all a$$aults, 54.5% of all armed muggings, 29% of all grapes. It's not because of the poverty, it's part of their culture. It's what they are.
So they excluded the two major cities where they release shoplifters same day? Shoplifting would go down fast if you actually prosecuted theft.
It is standard in statistics to exclude outliers as to not skew the data. Nothing nefarious was done. These two idiots are just engaging in right wing framing.
It's crazy that I live in Phily and worked in Macys 2 weeks ago and had no idea this just happened.
The cops are the fault. Cops in LA were not intervening because the charges were not felonies. People were still being charged but they didn’t view it as significant enough to warrant their attention
so are you saying that cops only enforce felonies. that would be weird because cops don't prosecute criminals. that would seem to suggest cops are picking which crimes to enforce.
@@basedgamerguy818 I am saying the captain of the police i LA was responding to a reporter’s inquiry on why these shoplifters have not been caught. The cops response was it was not worth the paperwork because the crime was listed as a misdemeanor until it hit a certain dollar threshold so it wasn’t worth their time detaining the thieves. Cops make the arrests not the prosecutors so theft is a police problem
no, it is not, you are wrong, the solution at least part of the solution is to make shoplifting a felony so every arrest is worth the cops time@@solowolf7418
I agree with the points you are trying to make, but you are making a HUGE phraseology error at the end... You are saying "against the citizens" referring to the victims as citizens which implies that the perps are not (or should not be considered) citizens. That's just wrong. Both victims and perpetrators are citizens. Yes the perps should be arrested and go to jail, and it's horrible to fail to advocate for the victims... but committing a crime does not cancel citizenship. As an example, IF the prison reform Anna speaks so passionately about actually happens, and the perps serve their time and do reform their ways and do not commit further crimes, they should retain all their rights and protections... through the entire process. All people have certain *Inalienable Rights*... as per our founding documents. You are using dehumanizing phraseology. Please try harder, I suspect you don't really intend to do that.
To recap: Do continue to advocate for putting the criminals in Jail where they belong. Do not dehumanize them (or any other group of people).
Regrettably, Ana's slide into conservatism gets worse by the day. The man who did the stabbing is very unlikely to have thought that there would be no consequences and he would never be held accountable -- that she said that, may rank as the stupidest thing she has ever said. Like most crimes of that nature, the consequences probably did not enter into the equation -- but drug use or mental illness or both may have. It is also possible that he understood the risk but didn't care. I think we can be sure he didn't commit murder because he thought he could get away with it -- just like the rest of us, he likely understood, whether drugged or mentally ill, that killing someone in a store full of cameras on a Monday morning would end poorly for him. No one, except Ana thinks that murder goes unprosecuted, and as such, criminals feel like they have a free hand to kill at will. However, Ana may be happy that he will spend the rest of his life in the prisons she hates so much.
Occam's razor have always served me well. This was an example of lack of data seeking justification for a narrative. A sort of - something anecdotal happened (since retail theft stabbings isn't exactly a common crime), in conjunction with another crime, therefor our narrative that retail theft criminals don't seem to care what they do, would automatically think that it plus stabbings equals no consequence. The leap of the imagination on this one makes me dizzy. As far as criminals not caring when they raid a store. Why wear masks at all if they think there will be no consequence to it?
Cenk and Ana have massive ego problems. It's frustrating and disappointing to see them double down on their bad take here when so much evidence proves them wrong. Like holy crap you guys are so immature.
Cost of living to wage ratio keeps getting worse crime keeps getting worse but they already know that they just don’t want to fix it because they stand a profit from things being the way they are
To me, as an econometrician, a study that just gives a time series isn't really informative. Anybody can draw any conclusion from a time series, because we're weak, fleshy humans with our own biases. Like it isn't a very interesting discussion, "i say this line goes this way, you say it goes that way", just not a very interesting discussion.
Remember in California any theft less than $900, isn't even a ticketable offense.
So how can you report on a non-reportable non-crime?