These photos have been buried deep in archives for decades. Many are misfiled and difficult for researchers to discover. Now, we are not only bringing them to the public's attention but connecting them with the larger Britannic story so that the whole world can enjoy them. Special thanks to Joshua Andersen-Raymer for his diligent research and for sharing these images with us; also to modeler and artist William Barney for sharing his beautiful art with us for this episode.
If the goal of this video is to connect these photos with the larger Britannic story shouldn't some context be added around them? The photo of the ship docked in Southampton was taken by a Dr. W.A. Fairclough and published in the Auckland Weekly News on November 30th, 1916. It's also freely available on the online archives of the Auckland Council Libraries. In a video about photography I'd think the photographer's name, when known, is worth a mention.
@Titanic_401 We credited the photos in the episode to their original archival sources so that people can look for them and use them in future. Now that the larger audience knows where to look, hopefully the photos will find widespread future exposure. We're happy to be able to introduce them, however, to the general public.
@@SteamAndSplendorpeople have found them and used them before. Amateur documentaries on RUclips have used the image of her in Southampton. These images are not new!
@ShipGuy6455 No, they were actually taken ca. 1916. They are not new, but 108 years old. However, we are working hard to make obscure content that is not generally available to the liner community as a whole available to a widespread audience. It is unfortunate that every time our tem has trotted something rare out to share with the world this year, a vocal minority starts creating turbulence. It even led to a death threat on one of our team members in April.
@@ShipGuy6455 The point of the video is to distribute them to a wider audience because they're absolutely uncommon. I'd love to see those links to previous use cases though, because I've looked at ship content for years and never seen anybody use them! I'd love to see others point them out! :o
Hello The Steam & Splendor Network, For the longest of times, I believed that the best Britannic photograph that existed was the first picture we see on Britannic's Wikipedia page. But now, with the release of the second photograph showed in this video, my mind has been changed. I would like to take a moment and thank you for releasing these two formidable Britannic photographs. With much respect, Maritime
Gorgeous photos! The Southampton one must've been right before her 4th voyage, when she was requisitioned again, because of the more common photos often dated to October 1916 showing a much dirtier exterior. And the other one with the fleet of fellow nurses is so lovely as well. :) To think after so many years, less well known photos still pop up from time to time. Thank you for spreading word of them!
The sinking of the _Britannic_ is a tragedy in a different way than that of the _Titanic,_ in that she never was able to have a proper career. These new images give some impressive views, and I have no doubt that as time goes on, more pictures, no matter how few, will be uncovered. I must admit that my eyebrow raised at the mention of 1,062 lives being aboard the final voyage, given that it is usually given as 1,066 or 1,065. I'd be curious to hear about the reason for what caused these three figures to be reached.
There are different figures that were cited by different authorities. I would recommend Mark Chirnside's Olympic-class book, which had a LOT of data on these figures. I hope this helps! 🙂
I think I've seen the image (or something very skmilar) of it at Southampton (though in nowhere near as good quality) on wikimedia commons before, perhaps there were a couple of versions of it or soemthing else. Either way, amazing job by the guy who found them, absolutely fantastic!
The photos are 108 years old, so in that sense they are not new, but they will be new to about 99% of our audience. As we stated in our video description and pinned post, these photos were buried deep in archives and very difficult to find, and certainly not available to the larger liner community who are unfamiliar with searching for such things themselves. We are only too happy to give them widespread exposure to a broad audience who might not otherwise be able to find them.
There's people in much larger channel groups making a huge stink about you guys using the word "unseen" because someone else independently found them previously, and shared them in their circles. Ignoring the fact the places these were shared were only in private groups that are small in the grand scheme of things and weren't very engaged with, they come off as angry that you're "claiming credit", even though you list the archive they're from IN the credits, and that you're making a big deal about showing them off when in their opinion you should not. I suppose if anything, in the future I'd link the archived photos in the description, or write the source in the video before the credits for the guys that don't read them, as a bit of advice. Personally, I believe the point of this video wasn't to claim credit, only to share something you guys found and noticed didn't make the rounds very much! If not for this video I may never have learned about them for who knows how many more years, and that's the same for a lot of people! I'm sorry that the personal characters of you and especially Joshua Raymer are being slandered by people who should know better. Their behavior is not reflective of the sort of community people like me want to be in.
You are 100% correct. This isn't about claiming credit, it is about getting little known or rarely seen information to a wide audience of people, in order to preserve the memories of the ships and those who sailed on them. Joshua Andersen-Raymer was kind enough to share these images with all of us, including details on the archives they are contained in, for anyone who cares to look for them. Whether a few individuals have seen them or not in the secrecy of a private forum without sharing them with community is not the point. You are correct, the research and ocean liner community should absolutely not function this way. We will continue to bring rarely seen content to the general public, regardless of what noise others make. We owe it to those whose stories we are trying to tell. As we say in our channel description, Real history, genuine education, no nonsense. People can leave the drama at the door.
Good question. They simply didn't have time to install all of the intended gantry davits when she was requisitioned to serve as a hospital ship. They pressed her into service in a hurry.
While the Britannic was still under construction in Belfast Harbor. The start of World War 1 began. Britannic was actually supposed to have an extra 2 Gantry Davits at the Stern of the ship. And the one in the port side close to the bow.
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These photos have been buried deep in archives for decades. Many are misfiled and difficult for researchers to discover. Now, we are not only bringing them to the public's attention but connecting them with the larger Britannic story so that the whole world can enjoy them.
Special thanks to Joshua Andersen-Raymer for his diligent research and for sharing these images with us; also to modeler and artist William Barney for sharing his beautiful art with us for this episode.
If the goal of this video is to connect these photos with the larger Britannic story shouldn't some context be added around them? The photo of the ship docked in Southampton was taken by a Dr. W.A. Fairclough and published in the Auckland Weekly News on November 30th, 1916. It's also freely available on the online archives of the Auckland Council Libraries. In a video about photography I'd think the photographer's name, when known, is worth a mention.
@Titanic_401 We credited the photos in the episode to their original archival sources so that people can look for them and use them in future. Now that the larger audience knows where to look, hopefully the photos will find widespread future exposure. We're happy to be able to introduce them, however, to the general public.
@@SteamAndSplendorpeople have found them and used them before. Amateur documentaries on RUclips have used the image of her in Southampton. These images are not new!
@ShipGuy6455 No, they were actually taken ca. 1916. They are not new, but 108 years old.
However, we are working hard to make obscure content that is not generally available to the liner community as a whole available to a widespread audience.
It is unfortunate that every time our tem has trotted something rare out to share with the world this year, a vocal minority starts creating turbulence. It even led to a death threat on one of our team members in April.
@@ShipGuy6455 The point of the video is to distribute them to a wider audience because they're absolutely uncommon. I'd love to see those links to previous use cases though, because I've looked at ship content for years and never seen anybody use them! I'd love to see others point them out! :o
Beautiful graphics in this video, and those newly rediscovered photos are fantastic. Thanks for sharing them publicly. Such a great find!
Thank you, we're glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for sharing this with us! ❤❤
Absolutely! Thank you for watching!
Hello The Steam & Splendor Network,
For the longest of times, I believed that the best Britannic photograph that existed was the first picture we see on Britannic's Wikipedia page.
But now, with the release of the second photograph showed in this video, my mind has been changed.
I would like to take a moment and thank you for releasing these two formidable Britannic photographs.
With much respect,
Maritime
Thank you so much!
Thanks for sharing !
@@TitanicTV You're very welcome! We're always happy to share this sort of thing with everyone who is interested in the subject!
The Olympic class liners are by far the most lovely in design IMHO.
5:03 we got britannic lost media before GTA 6 lol
lol!
Gorgeous photos! The Southampton one must've been right before her 4th voyage, when she was requisitioned again, because of the more common photos often dated to October 1916 showing a much dirtier exterior. And the other one with the fleet of fellow nurses is so lovely as well. :) To think after so many years, less well known photos still pop up from time to time. Thank you for spreading word of them!
@@Mr_Oceangoer You're very welcome!
Wow, she looks better there than any other photo of her.
Super Awesome! 😮❤️ Thank You So Much For Sharing With The World! ❤️
Glad you enjoyed it!
The single-funnelled hospital ship in the right of Britannic (first photo, 4:45 ) seems to be the HMHS Asturias
5:02 awesome to see Britannic for once not absolutely caked in coal dust, dirt, and general grime.
@@N8Harris99 Indeed!
5:05 That is so beautiful 😍😍😍
It is, yes! We were thrilled when the photos were shared with us.
@@SteamAndSplendorPhotos? There’s more?
If it weren't for 1912 she would have looked like her sisters.
Yes! The visual differences would certainly have been less apparent -- particularly the gantry davits.
The sinking of the _Britannic_ is a tragedy in a different way than that of the _Titanic,_ in that she never was able to have a proper career. These new images give some impressive views, and I have no doubt that as time goes on, more pictures, no matter how few, will be uncovered.
I must admit that my eyebrow raised at the mention of 1,062 lives being aboard the final voyage, given that it is usually given as 1,066 or 1,065. I'd be curious to hear about the reason for what caused these three figures to be reached.
There are different figures that were cited by different authorities. I would recommend Mark Chirnside's Olympic-class book, which had a LOT of data on these figures. I hope this helps! 🙂
I think I've seen the image (or something very skmilar) of it at Southampton (though in nowhere near as good quality) on wikimedia commons before, perhaps there were a couple of versions of it or soemthing else.
Either way, amazing job by the guy who found them, absolutely fantastic!
Thank you!
Amazing!
@Gamex99999 Thank you!
Title states November 2024 release. Yet it was uploaded 9 years ago.
Nice photos though, such a sad end to such an amazing vessel.
The photos are 108 years old, so in that sense they are not new, but they will be new to about 99% of our audience. As we stated in our video description and pinned post, these photos were buried deep in archives and very difficult to find, and certainly not available to the larger liner community who are unfamiliar with searching for such things themselves. We are only too happy to give them widespread exposure to a broad audience who might not otherwise be able to find them.
There's people in much larger channel groups making a huge stink about you guys using the word "unseen" because someone else independently found them previously, and shared them in their circles. Ignoring the fact the places these were shared were only in private groups that are small in the grand scheme of things and weren't very engaged with, they come off as angry that you're "claiming credit", even though you list the archive they're from IN the credits, and that you're making a big deal about showing them off when in their opinion you should not.
I suppose if anything, in the future I'd link the archived photos in the description, or write the source in the video before the credits for the guys that don't read them, as a bit of advice.
Personally, I believe the point of this video wasn't to claim credit, only to share something you guys found and noticed didn't make the rounds very much! If not for this video I may never have learned about them for who knows how many more years, and that's the same for a lot of people!
I'm sorry that the personal characters of you and especially Joshua Raymer are being slandered by people who should know better. Their behavior is not reflective of the sort of community people like me want to be in.
You are 100% correct. This isn't about claiming credit, it is about getting little known or rarely seen information to a wide audience of people, in order to preserve the memories of the ships and those who sailed on them. Joshua Andersen-Raymer was kind enough to share these images with all of us, including details on the archives they are contained in, for anyone who cares to look for them. Whether a few individuals have seen them or not in the secrecy of a private forum without sharing them with community is not the point. You are correct, the research and ocean liner community should absolutely not function this way. We will continue to bring rarely seen content to the general public, regardless of what noise others make. We owe it to those whose stories we are trying to tell. As we say in our channel description, Real history, genuine education, no nonsense. People can leave the drama at the door.
Im curious is to why she dont have a big davit on the port side
Good question. They simply didn't have time to install all of the intended gantry davits when she was requisitioned to serve as a hospital ship. They pressed her into service in a hurry.
While the Britannic was still under construction in Belfast Harbor. The start of World War 1 began. Britannic was actually supposed to have an extra 2 Gantry Davits at the Stern of the ship. And the one in the port side close to the bow.
@@neiln4281Britannic would have looked much more symmetrical with all the gantry davits installed.