Why aren’t cars made from Stainless Steel?
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- Опубликовано: 15 дек 2019
- Tesla’s making their new Cybertruck out of stainless steel, another bold move from a company that likes to rip up the rulebooks. But is it actually a good idea? Why has only one other stainless steel car been mass produced, and that ended in bankruptcy? Will it be different for Tesla, or is the new Cybertruck a big white elephant?
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Those vintage cars in stainless steel look so cool
Oh yes, imagine getting one of those old stainless cars? damn so rare! look great!
They remember me of Monopoli
The Delorean dmc 12 was a legend but the tesla Cybertruck is danm ugly
@@Cookie-ri2pe The Delorean was cool but those old stainless steel Fords are amazingly cool.
Cookie , they’ll be legends too in 50 years.
I am somewhat upset that I had to get on the world wide web and watch a video made by a man in the UK to learn about a car museum in the city I was born, raised and live in lol.
Consider filming your own video? I wish I lived in the same City to visit it.
Yes make a short video and link it here. would be cool to see more of those cars!
I have never posted a video on RUclips ever, but you guys saying I should I'd definitely making think about finding exactly where this car is and having a friend record me and hopefully someone at the museum to give a little information on the car. If and when I do it I will definitely post the link here. But don't judge the quality and my presentation lol the car will be the star. So bare with me as I try and see exactly how I can make this work. Thanks guys!
@@95blahblahhaha Give it a try! I made my first YT video less than 12 months and it's been a lot of fun.
People tend not to vacate in their own town/city. A lot now have to holiday abroad.
One thing I should have mentioned is Tesla intends to score and bend, and score and cut sheets of stainless steel. Thanks for everyone who pointed this out!
Big Car looking forward to it!
I wish you'd do the Fiat Panda!
Yummy! Lookin forward to it - let's see if we have the same view about when the Story actually ends!
awesome. keep up the good work. i think my favourite landie factoid is that the body was made from aluminium because... after WW2, thats what rover got allocated. not so much on the steel!
Excellent video.Perhaps Elon does not understand the potential of copycats performing destructive testing on the Tesla pickup. Monkey see monkey do. Would you be surprised to hear reports of vandalism to these vehicles?
The Delorean wasn't really a stainless car. It had a steel chassis, a glass fibre body with clip on thin stainless panels. The original intention was there but got watered down as the reality of production set in. The only structural stainless parts were the the doors.
Are you sure? My mate had a Delorean and it was a Stainless Steel Tank. Very heavy too.
@@darrenporter1850 Development done by Lotus so a close family resemblance to Esprit (I have an Esprit). Some detail here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMC_DeLorean but a book on the Delorean gives more detail. To quote wikipedia " The stainless-steel panels are fixed to a fiberglass underbody. The underbody is affixed to a steel double-Y frame chassis, inspired by the Lotus Esprit platform"
But what good looking doors those were 🙂
I wonder how the falcon design Tesla doors would look on a Delorean? 🤔 😎
@@darrenporter1850 According to wikipedia it has a curb weight of 2712lbs. That ain't heavy enough to be a stainless body... It was fiberglass brah.
@@halohunter5217 Surprised how light actually. But trust me on this, they feel heavy like driving a Steel Toaster and not fast. Great looking, terrible to drive. I will give you the weight.. but don't be fooled to think it is a nimble car.
That's probably why the cyber truck doesn't have any round edges, due to it being difficult to machine. I think that's why they went with such a low-poly design.
Or they just slapped it together for a car show.
@@glennchartrand5411 possibly but I think its more because its difficult to work with. The simpler design makes it easier to work with.
@Manuel Camelo Its not that they cant shape them as they please. It's just very expensive. The steel is so thought, it ruins the stamps used to make the shapes, which means the stamps need to be replaced more often, increasing the price. Considering that Tesla wants to make it affordable, they had to either go with a weaker body material or go with simpler shapes.
I dont know what everyone has. I think it's the best looking car out there, it's something completely new. Finally something different from the old beatle design.
Manuel Camelo : Again: The point of the CyberTruck was to make a tough, durable, long lasting and AFFORDABLE truck. So Yes, they could build big tougher stamping machines to do curvy shapes, but the cost of the truck may cost $140-180k instead of $40-80k
I don’t see why a car lasting longer is a bad thing, at least for normal people and the environment, obviously it’s the worst thing ever for CEOs because then they will only make a buttload of money instead of a few buttloads.
Can you please define a "buttload"? How much money does your butt hold?
@@djxjxixsmjxjskjzxn1853 I think shitload is more appropriate.
Nah, the CEOs will downsize, and still make a few buttloads.
@@Dejawolfs You're not wrong
It’s not bad for the consumer... just the makers' bottom line!
When it comes to the cybertruck one of the most interesting things for me is going to be the crash tests
Of course this is if it ever comes out
Or pedestrian impacts. I doubt it'll be legal in Europe.
Yeah, it looks like one of those Musk's vaporware projects.
Yeah this thing would absolutely decimate pedestrians...
I hope not it's butt ugly.
I am fairly confident it will fail many safety tests in many countries. It is dangerous to the user, it is dangerous to pedestrians and it is dangerous to just about anyone it hits. Modern cars are made to destroy themselves in a crash so the crash doesn't destroy you. It is not hard to imagine what will happen when a hard and heavy vehicle hits one that is meant to break in a crash. Visibility will also suck, I ride a motorcycle and would consider just fleeing in the opposite direction away from my destination if I saw one. An axe on wheels.
Stainless steel is actually a diverse family of alloys. There's the austenitic steels (chromium and nickel), ferritics, martensitics, dual-phase, and precipitation-hardening stainless steels. Most cars have ferritic s.s exhausts, and your quality kitchen knife is martensitic. Austenites have been used for many, many applications... but indeed, hardly for cars .
True what if they where able to turn the color of the body rainbow color like when you weld on stainless steal instead of the plain shiny color?
@@angelicpowers3526 that is not good for the stainless
@@angelicpowers3526 See, problem is..when stainless is welded it changes color which again is bad for the corrosion resistance.
When I weld stainless I "passivate" it afterward. That means these beautiful rainbow like colors will fade away again in order to regenerate the protective oxide layer.
GM put stainless steel exhausts (true dual) on the 94-96 LT1 engined Cadillacs, Buicks and Chevys. The mild steel clamps and brackets will rot away where salt is used, but those exhausts outlasted the rest of the car, even the long lasting reverse-coolant LT1 which was good for 200K easy.
@@angelicpowers3526 There is a way of colouring stainless steel by thickening the oxide layer so it works like a prism. You then get all the colours of the rainbow. The problem is that when you scratch through the oxide layer it goes back to 'stainless silver' as it's been called and you can't get the colour back.
Thank you for talking about the early history of stainless steel in the Ford production cars.
I thought that was amazing and I had never even seen those cars before.
It’s a big silver elephant, much better than a white one .....
Chris Braid
I got a big white one for fat mouth of yours..🐔
@@berlintanker Reported for Sexual abuse
Will make a great bauble for the fashionistas and realtors out there. Don’t see it working as a truck.
@@berlintanker 😂😂😂
I live in the rust belt, so I would buy a stainless steel car in a heartbeat
Just buy a glassfibre or aluminium car
@@1183newman those are no cars they are toys
@@cq33xx58 those toys will save your ass in a wreck vs a steel body car
Aluminum is a much better material than stainless for automotive fabrication and has been used successfully since the late 90s in mass production. That's why both Ford has selected aluminum for their highest production vehicle and FCA has gone that route for the Wrangler.
I live in rust belt as well. Body panels last long enough. The real problem is suspension and fasteners
One thing everyone has missed is the crumple zones if that lassie hit a human at 5 mph they would be sliced bread!
Crumple zones aren't designed for pedestrians. A pedestrian that causes any vehicle to crumple is dead meat (which would make quite a sandwich with that sliced bread).
@@kenbob1071 I think we know what he actually meant, a proper bumper for pedestrian safety...
Or just dont hit ppl w.cars
@@Darius-kl3jk Well considering the video was about stainless steel and the comment specifically referred to "crumple zones," I think he meant "crumple zones" not ordinary bumpers.
@@kenbob1071 if he actually meant crumple zones and not bumpers then he's clearly wrong, bit I still have reason to suspect accidentally misused terminology...
I would add another point: crash tests.
With steel panels being used to absorb energy in crashes, I am curious about how Tesla solved this approach in the CyberTruck
I think they decided to go the Nokia way: rely on the other cars deformation zones, or destroying whatever it crashes into.
Body panels barely have an _impact_ for crash absorbtion. You would rather look for the platform construction if trying to figure out how they would behave in a crash.
@@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer Yeah I understand but the problem remains: how are these stainless panels are going to behave now? Are they going to be too rigid? Do they serve as an energy absorption member?
In 2020/2021 the Eurocap and NHTSA will have the proper answer, still, its a challenge for using this type of material.
Short answer: they don't. This kind of shaping ensures that almost none of the material can help in absorbing crash energy.
@@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer That's not totally true...they are designed to absorb the energy of a crash along with the structure underneath...open any hood and you will see little creases in the structure that the skin covers over...that's to help absorb energy. Stainless steel...especially straight stainless is probably many times stiffer than the HSLA sheet metal (High Strength Low Alloy) in other cars. Perhaps some insight can be gained from a review of the DeLorean crash test results.
Because stailess steel does not rust
Planed absolesence
All about the Machine when Flesh decays.
Obsolescence 🤔😉
@@steveo4141 i m not a native speacker
That’s why phones these days are made of glass on both sides.
Aluminium doesn't either and many modern cars are made of that. Many parts are also from platic, which also doesn't rust and can live for well beyond a standard car life. That's clearly not the reason ...
I’m so happy to see the channel growing so well!
Me too!
"Steel car bodies don't rust like they used to" Yes they do... I see alot of new cars that are suprisingly rusty after just 4-5 years.
They had a period where manufactures where good at rustproofing and then went backwards in later time. And some manufactures have never been good at rustproofing.
Steel rusts end of story. I’ve seen plenty of pretty new cars like mercs, BMW’s rusting. They aren’t built to last no matter what the manufacturer claims. 🤡🤡🤡🌍🌍🌍
@@hanniffydinn6019 Depends of the steel and rust proofing. But in general yes. They last long on warmer countries but not here where they put stupid salt on the roads in the winter. The rustproofing on some german cars etc was also better in the early 90's than in the 2000's. So todays cars are in general less protected agains rust than before. Really stupid move from the manufactures
*cries in MX5*
@@Oystein87 He just explained why this wasnt a stupid move. More rust = more turnover = more sales. Consumer products are made purposefully to not last.
@@snappy452 I know that.. But when the cars rust before the warranty is out than it comes back to bite the manufacturers. And they get less customers this way so it IS a stupid move no matter what..
8:18 because only criminals don't like getting shot.
generally, it's criminals who have to worry about it. I am 53 and never thought for one second in my life that I was going to be shot. Because I am not a criminal.
Some folks are more easily bent out of shape than stainless steel...
Great job as always!
Tesla has solve the problems with the hard material being formed; he's going to have a bunch of employees beat them out with hammers in the parking lot
Kevin Barry Tesla isn’t going to do anything, he isn’t alive anymore.
Lol....
these painted delorean hurts my soul
I never knew about the early stainless steel cars before this video. Now I want a polished stainless car.
I know the US cars of the 50's-60's were not safe, and practical like todays, but man were they sexy. Just about every American car of that era was a piece of art.
Yeah I wish modern cars would try and emulate that style again.
@@shamicentertainment1262 Sadly the '50s and '60s styling was not good for safety or aerodynamics, so it's unlikely to make a comeback. They do look good though.
The Audi thing is a myth and misunderstanding. Audi started making cars that were fully galvanized after welding, by bathing the entire car in the galvanizing bath after it's been welded. Other car manufacturers just take galvanized sheet metal and weld that, which is why they start to rot at the seams. To some, this impossibly rust-resistant treatment apparently meant it must be aluminium. Anyhow, Audi did make the front body panels of the second generation Audi TT in 2007 out of aluminium, but that was long after the aluminium myth had been established. Generally the "Audis are aluminium" is a false, however.
Well if I remember it correctly Audi A2 was fully alu, wasnt it?
@@Pillokun Yes it was also the A8 from the same time was
in the philippines a lot of backyard made jeeps have stainless body
A lot of the vehicles there are silver in colour and shiny yes...stainless steel? ...unlikely as it's expensive and very difficult to work with.
@@steveo4141 yes stainless is expensive but not to the point nobody can afford it....a jeep like the size of wrangler, with full stainless body, is about $4,000- $10,000 in the philippines....people there can buy $30k brand new cars what more a $4-10k......difficult to work with? you are very correct, but jeeps are mostly simple bends
Those old Ford's look amazing in stainless steel
Thanks, another informative and fun feature
I like how he, not only used a rubber dead blow hammer (so as not to scratch it), but held back. You can see him slow down when he gets close to the truck.
And it was a stupid test anyway.... vehicles need to be able to crumple to absorb energy and pass safety tests. All he proved was that it can never be sold in anything like its present form.
The Delorean has a fibreglass body and a steel backbone chassis, the Stainless steel panels are stuck onto the fibreglass body. The Delorean was basically designed by Lotus which is why it uses a modified Lotus Esprit chassis. Colin Chapman absolutely hated the car and thought the doors were stupid design.
Another major disadvantage of stainless steel, especially when it has a brushed finish is that it will get stained from fingerprints. The chloride in a person's sweat superficially attacks material. Any fingerprints on a DeLorean should be wiped clean within a few days otherwise you'll need to rebrush the affected area.
analogdesigner who cares, it’s a truck not a limousine or show car
Does it eventually eat all the way though the metal or something?
@@KendrickMan, not in the case of fingerprints as there is so little chloride present.
@@analogdesigner excellent. I'm used to little oily fingerprints winding up on the door handle from oil changes and other repairs. in that case, the fingerprints might preserve the vehicle lol. probably not going to happen from maintaining a cybertruck for obvious reasons, but it is good to know in case any areas need undercoating or something.
@@KendrickMan, also if the stainless is real smooth or polished it becomes fairly resistant to chemical attack. It's the brushed surface that seems to be the problem!
The Delorean was merely clad in stainless steel over a fibreglass body. Typical appearance over function nonsense.
It then needed to be laquered as brushed stainless gets grubby very quickly if handled..
I worked on stainless in a stamping plant. Its not easy. One spec of dirt on the die and the stamping is scrapped due to the mark left which is highly visible since it doesn't get painted.
Another excellent video! The Delorean's model number was the DMC 12. He had planned other cars in the range. I used to live in a house that overlooked the old Delorean Factory. I tried to sneak into the old test track a while back but site security were having none of it and I absolutely can not wait until the upcoming Volvo 850 video!
Well Karl, you might not get the 850 video soon, but you may just got one on the DeLorean!
@@BigCar2 😲
1:44 Cyber factory will not need a press (no curves) It will make it a lot cheaper to manufacture.
Yeah, the author kinda screwed up on that one.
@@Seehart You both obviously haven't watched till the End.
Actually the factory will need a Press Brake to form the Stainless Steel body … by keeping the lines very simple they can build strong monocoque bodies with fairly simple Sheetmetalworking Tools … minimal Welding yet very rigid. The Robots could arc weld many of the joints too .
@@alexander1055 I did watch to the end. Yes, you have a point in that he stops repeating his main error at the very end. But he falls short of adequately correcting his error.
My point is that the hardness of stainless steel and cosequent increase in cost of stamping is utterly irrelevant to the Cybertruck design precisely because the design does not involve stamping.
This undermines the thesis of the entire video, isofar as the author falsely implies that it in any way applies to the Tesla Cybertruck.
He even asserts that the problem is worse for the Cybertruck because is uses a particularly hard stainless steel, as if this were a consideration the engineers were too stupid to think of when they made that supposedly unwise decision.
A brief vague mention of this crucial distinction at the very end of the video does not impress me.
@@Seehart He was talking about the Automotiv Industry as a Whole, explaining why it historically hasn't been done in Mass Production and explaining the Reasons for that.
Good job! I enjoyed that vid. I’ve always wondered why stainless wasn’t more popular and I suppose the answer is it’s too good.
I just ordered 2 of the tesla trucks.
I need only one, but my wife fell so in love with its elegance i had to order a second one.
Which cyber trucks did you order? The one that elon showed or the one that will be for sale? Because the one that ultimately goes on sale will not be the one you've seen.
@@stupidas9466 it was just a joke. Those things are ugly.
Slight contradiction - car manufacturers apparently didn't want cars that didn't rust as it would affect their business model...but car manufacturers also researched and implemented ways to prevent and in Audi's case eliminate rust. This would lead me to believe that it was not really a factor in avoiding using stainless steel. In fact given the difficulty in repair there could have been a big market for replacement panels.
Question: what happens when you crash against someone with an aluminium car with your stainless steel truck? Aren't you gonna outright ram through the car and kill who's in it?
Well no. Cybertruck is using the external body for strength with reduced structure underneath so the overall structural strength isn't that far off a regular truck.
I'm more worried about pedestrian safety, modern vehicles have internal structure protected by plastic, foam and thin gauge steel. Cybertruck not so much. Definitely not going to be legal for sale in the EU without a redesign although to be fair Europe doesn't buy a lot of trucks. US safety regulation is a lot more lax so not an issue for American sales.
Very interesting and well-presented video as always - thank you! There was a Stainless Steel aircraft (Bristol 188) manufactured in the UK in the early 1960s to study the effects of kinetic heating that arise from flying at very high speeds for long periods. They too found that stainless steel was a very difficult material from which to fabricate the complex shape of an air frame and new construction methods were developed. For various reasons, the aircraft was not a success, and only 3 were ever built. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_188
'Cold rolled stainless steel is even harder then regular stainless steel.' Any thin sheet stainless steel is cold rolled. The mild steel used to produce standard car bodies is also cold rolled. Please explain what you mean by 'regular' stainless steel.
In the Philippines, we make small bus-like vehicles called "Jeepneys" made of stainless steel. However, stainless steel Jeepneys were outlawed because they reflect headlights thus becoming dangerous at night.
Awesome how all those disadvantages are actually advantages..
It'll be great to buy a second hand car that isn't full of bog and touch up paint!!
One of the main things I like about the Cybertruck is stainless steel... say goodbye to door dings and laughing at carless folks damaging their vehicle on yours for being careless. Rarely will you have to concern yourself with bodywork on these trucks.
The other side of that is when you do require bodywork, your vehicle will be out of commission because the exoskeleton is the key to it's structural integrity. And that bodywork will have to be carried out by a tesla approved bodyshop, which means you can't do it, your knowledgeable friend can't do it, and your local bodyshop can't do it. Which means a limited number of options. Which always means more expensive and longer wait times. Put those things together (longer wait times, further to get to, and higher costs with a requirement to do all repairs, whether or not you even want to, before putting it back on the road) and you're going to be without a vehicle for a longer period of time. There is no free lunch.
@@stupidas9466 you are 100% correct here. It's also going to be a royal pain to try to remove scratches and gouges when they occur. It's going to be exceedingly difficult to identically match the original finish with whatever buffing and polishing process is required.
@@stupidas9466 I’m a trained Stainless steel fabricator and could do all bodywork myself…. The work could done by any Sheetmetal workshop with the right equipment. The body would be easy to add custom parts and panels. I’d love to have one to experiment with …
@@chrisbraid2907 and then Tesla will say no more updates for you!
I'm surprised there was no mention of having a no crumple zone for auto collision safety as a negative factor.
I doubt the doorstop on wheels will ever see production on a large scale.
I agree. Tesla fanboys are overjoyed that there are over 1 million reservations for the Cybertruck. However I believe that only a small proportion of these will be taken up.
The reservation fee is only $100 and fully refundable, so there is ZERO ACTUAL commitment required from a holder. Once people see these ugly monstrosities on their streets and neighbourhood, all in the SAME, unpainted stainless steel “colour”, I think there will be a massive “pushback” against them!
These things have all the “beauty” of an army tank!!
More cars get scrapped from rust than from accidents. Still want a cybertruck.
Suspect this may last a million miles with two swaps of battery packs and cosmetic maintenance otherwise.
@@macmcleod1188 bearings wouldn't last, but if they would be made easy replaceable the car could be past through generations.
@@ggsay1687 Greediness makes everybody do items, which won't last.
Anyone who wants a cybertruck proves he doedn't understand anything what electric cars should be about. Anyone havng a model x is as much an idiot as well. Nicola Tesla is spinning around in his grave.
@@SuperDirk1965 Explain your foolish statement.
The Cyber truck isn’t anything more than a proof of concept demonstration prop. The shatterproof/bulletproof windows, while neat, wont make it to production for side window but maybe windshields and rear windows: US DOT won’t let it happen because it restricts emergency crews during rescues. As for the stainless steel bodies...yes it’s more durable but like you said it’s also more expensive so I’m hedging my bets that it’s going to be used for the unibody and in key areas but the rest (because the final shape of the truck isn’t set yet) of the truck will still be plastic/fiberglass/steel because as you stated repairs would be very hard otherwise. Good video 👍
You forgot one major use...late 1940's Studebakers...the entire front grill work and that was substantial. check out the front end of a 1948, Commander or Champion, if it is not the bumper and it shines, it is probably stainless.
Not really "forgot", more "didn't know" 😁 Thanks Bob!
Great information, thanks for the video!
I want the Tesla CyberTruck!
Me too
Me too. Only $100 (refundable) to preorder. I've got mine reserved.
www.tesla.com/cybertruck/design#battery
You didn't mention that stainless also suffers from fatigue far more than regular steel, although this could be designed around mostly.
You are wrong here, sorry. Austenitic stainless steel has essentially the same fatigue performance (relative to tensile strength) as typical low carbon automotive steels.
@@eriktempelman2097 Thank you, I'm now better informed, I had stupidly assumed that all stainless behaved the same but, given its an alloy anyway and there are many different types, there's no reason to expect them to be the same.
Out of curiosity, what is the "whitest" stainless alloy?
I've often thought that a "white" alloy would look great for cutlery.
If you anneal it to remove the built up stresses of forming it then fatigue won't be a factor.
@@JDWard-Jeepster I can imagine that working on smaller components but not a car!
You'd also get warping of a large sheet metal item
Fortunately at 3mm the fatigue would take quite a while . 1.6 mm would deteriorate about three times as fast ….
Interesting and well presented. I’ve been following the starship builds at both their sites, they have lots of scrap stainless steel. I also remember an episode of “Wheeler Dealer” where Edd China refurbished a deLorean, he had to bring in a specialist for the body repairs. Thanks from Orlando.
It's gonna be interesting to see how the starliner performs if weather permits Friday morning. I will be watching from the space coast. That truck is just to damn ugly for me!
The classic Land Rovers had aluminum bodies. During a summer I spent on a tropical island where rusting cars were a big problem, I saw one. The owner had removed all the paint to make the rust-proof aluminum obvious. I did a quick look online and apparently Land Rovers are still being built that way. They do require special skills to repair though.
Land Rovers used a type of aluminium alloy called Birmabright. The Achilles heal of Land Rovers was the steel chassis and galvanic corrosion of the door panels where the birmabright is attached to steel frames.
That thing is absolutely the ugliest truck I’ve ever seen.
I mean, is it really that uglier than modern contemporary cars?
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge Contemporary cars are ugly as sin too, but that thing takes ugly to a whole new degree. It's as if Toyota designers and engineers were let loose to create whatever abomination they could.
Maybe when they introduced it but since then I’ve seen a few worse ones ….
With no plastic bumpers in the way to absorb those 'fender bender' accidents, the panels will have to be resistant to denting. Otherwise it's an expensive repair.
Some of those angles look futuristic, but not very good for pedestrian safety.
At 6:57 did you mean competitors?
Especially when the vehicle can sneak up quietly on them. It's gonna be" Death Race 2000 " all over again.
It will never get to production anyway so don’t worry about it. Bulletproof to a bb gun
Futuristic? Maybe if this were the 1970s....
@@halohunter5217 ...and they were designing a car for the 2020's.
I have always wondered why we don't have stainless steel cars. You explained it so well, thank you. :)
As living in scandinavia, i had easily payed those extra money for a stainless carbody!
It had been worth every single penny not hawing to fight rust twice a year because of the salt on the roads.
You miss One big disadvantage. It's to hard so it will not stand the crash test. All energy will travel to the passengers and kill them. Thats why modern cars crumble as the do at crash-test. To absorb the crash energy. BMW had that problem at the second 3-series. It was so hard so the safety belts snapped.
THere's ways to mitigate passenger impact energy, other than crumple zones.
You are talking about dumb cars and the Cybertruck has intelligence built in to obviate the need for crash testing …. Much better than any dumb SUV ….
@@chrisbraid2907 no. Wtf are you talking about. The car will still need to pass crash tests, as accidents can't be prevented 100%.
If you for some reason like color use foil. For me paintless and foilless is the best because I use cars to transport stuff. Bad for the other carmakers but good for me. I would love to only buy one car and use it for the rest of my life. Maybe some OTA updates now and then.
The modern alternative to paint and foil is the acrylic Wrap. You can add graphics and logos so easily and remove them with a heat gun if you need to ….
@@chrisbraid2907 cost cost cost. Why invest your hard earned money in wrapping if you are not doing to market your company like a taxi. For them it’s a great idea. 😁
Wasn't there a big push for pedestrian safety in auto designs a few decades ago? The cyber truck kind of just throws that concept out the window with its pointed front end designed to make sure pedestrians go under rather than over the truck
Why isn't anyone addressing crumblezones ?
It has crumple zones
With all the words the British mangle, I can't believe he screwed up Brougham.
It's 'Broffam' isn't it?
Bro ham ?
Yeah, pretty fucked up pronunciation.
He should have asked someone how to say it
There is Brougham Castle in Cumbria, UK. It’s correct pronunciation is ‘Broom’ castle. Because of the spelling of the name/word, it is no wonder the many different variations of pronunciation. So, I think we can give the guy a break!?
You forgot another problem with the cyber truck. There is no deformation of the body during a crash, no crumple zones to reduce passenger impact. It is doubtful that that will be accepted in the US, EU and other countries.
Don't you think they thought of that when designing the car?
Yep, a serious danger to the occupants and other road users.
I suspect it has specific crumple zones for that - as do ordinary cars. If your door flexes in and crushes you on an impact I assure you thatis a negative not a design feature.
Love how everyone becomes knowledge professional engineers on youtube - as if Tesla have overlooked something that obvious.
@@bbbf09 but we don't have any details, has it got a crash test rating? Love how people think that it will be perfect going off the proto type.
@@bbbf09 "as if Tesla have overlooked something that obvious." If you have seen the problems that the model x had and has you wouldnt even think about saying that...
Excellent episode. Keep going. This is excellent
I’ve been to the Crawford in Cleveland. Fantastic museum at University Circle.
5 year buying cycle for a car? What? In my country it's normal to buy cars that are 5 years old and drive them for 10 more years. Really, cars can last for a long time if you take care of it and pick a reliable brand. I would never buy a new car, especially not every 5 years. And it's not because I have no money, I just spend my money on smarter stuff (Like real estate) and my current car is Hyundai almost 8 years old. No probelms at all, just channge oil and filters every year and it can last for another 8 years easy. People are spending money like crazy, it's really weird.
That happens when people buy stuff to impress others.
Both my currently registered vehicles are twenty years old and I have two fifty year old cars in the shed that I'd rather drive but arseholes try to steal them when you park anywhere
The cascade cycle, people who don’t wreck their cars have the option to keep or sell them to those less fortunate than themselves until the car becomes a classic and is then worth more and worth preserving or restoring ….
Thank God we today have downsized engines with exhaust gas recycling so the engines die before the car can start rusting.
Correction: Aluminium isn´t "rusting" as steel but it´s degrading as well.
It's oxidizing.
Great information and a Wonderful job,as always.
Great, informative video, your channel never fails to please! 🙂
Some square wheels would look grea and harmonious on Tesla Ugly Truck! 🤣
What do you drive?
@@MartintheTinman Am driving an M3 BMW presently
So what s the question I don't get
@@xandergross8474 . Well it helps to know what you consider a good looking car when you're throwing around opinions on what another one looks like.
Your car is kinda goog looking so at least your taste isn't in your arse
Nothing has been said about the Cybertrucks crash rating it must be compromised by making it out of stainless? No crumble zones? And what about its pedestrian rating lots of sharp angles to maim people with
Interesting video, made a nice change from your usual output.
I have owned and driven a 1981 DeLorean for 25 years. The body is made of stainless steel, and although it is extremely difficult to keep clean it still looks very close to the day it rolled off the assembly line. The only down side, other than the difficulty in washing it, is the fact that you can’t really repair unpainted stainless without seeing the repair.
Fascinating as ever ... Zinc coating. The most hideous design ever, painful to look at but the younger generation seem to like it so what do I know.
Never been one for looks. I drove a Pontiac Sunbird up until I got Tboned last year. Getting 25 years out of something matters more to me. Gas money is also expensive. I'd trade 500 nearly free KM per day over fast fillups on road trips at the gas station any day. Rural life's about to get cheaper, and I'm excited. Easy to spend 3-5k a year on gas if you're not within 20km of work. Adds up.
One doesn't require 8 minutes to answer the title question.
Yearly profit would plummet if cars were made of rust resistant steel.
And Tesla is taking customers from those manufacturers. They do have another ace up their sleeve though. Tesla cars are driving tablets- battery degrades and they can disable the car via a software "upgrade". Like Apple does.
@@Mic_Glow "And Tesla is taking customers from those manufacturers"
"Like Apple does"
And Tesla sales will be as low as Apples compared to it's rivals.
Also Tesla doesn't take. People aren't taken against their will.
Tesla is able to influence, but not take.
@@xander1756 What do you mean it doesn't take away customers? Suggesting EV owners never had a car before? Sure numbers are low, but increasing.
@@Mic_Glow I mean a company has no power to forcibly take customers from one company over to theirs. They can only influence, coerce, entice. They cannot take.
An individual, in the context of buying a car, is solely responsible for their decision of which car they will buy. They were not taken by one company over to their showroom and forced to buy their car.
It's the same misuse of language when a sports commentator says the person who came from behind to win the race, and they say that person stole it from the person who was in the lead all the way till the near end, or the favourite was robbed of a win.
No robbing or stealing occurred. The athlete who won, did so fairly and 100% deserved their win. To say the other athlete was robbed or the eventual winner stole soemthing is an erroneous and irrational claim.
It has been common to produce five or six cars at the end of production. The dies were not going to be used anymore so they could wreck them.
That's dumb. Manufactures should always maintain all their tooling for replacement parts down the road.
I wonder if they will opt to skip the welding and just bolt the body panels to the frame, then seal the seams with something akin to silicone or maybe Thousand Island dressing.
6:01 Wow that looks SO much better in yellow! And with those 90's/2000's alloys it looks like an actual sports GT, instead of something built in shed by a beardy guy called Derek.
Those old stainless Fords are amazing ! This Tesla truck is ugly as sin and appears to be as aerodynamic as a garden shed !
It’s actually very aerodynamic. See RUclips videos that show it’s a lot better than regular trucks, which looks counterintuitive.
@@BigCar2 I'm just biased because I think it's horrendous to look at lol
@@BigCar2 Well it's more aerodynamic than the other trucks but those machines don't seem as if much thought at all has been put into their creation. Its not anywhere near as aerodynamic as it could be though.
The Crawford auto aviation Museum....I’ve got to get down there; for once some random obscure museum someone mentions actually isn’t too far from me 👀 Ohio Ftw!
One aspect I haven't seen mentioned or I've missed, is stress corrosion cracking in stainless steels due to chlorine. Basically, where stainless steel is under tension (be it structural members or even just bends of residual stress from welds) any chlorine present will cause cracks, and the tension will accelerate the process. This is a particular problem at higher ambient temperatures. The classic case study is the fatal collapse of concrete ceilings of several swimming pool buildings that were held up with stainless steel tie rods. In car terms I would guess you would see problems in the engine bay or around warm battery pack structures, mostly over winter from salty roads, especially in hard to reach areas where the salt isn't washed off.
Google "hse stress corrosion cracking pool" should give you an official report on the collapses for example.
It's expensive, heavy and difficult to machine, most manufacturers are trying to reduce weight such a dumb idea.
I beg to differ. This is an amazing idea especially for musk. This allows him to streamline the manufacturing process of stainless steel while capitalising on the experience. You need to remember that SpaceX is going to/are using SS on their rockets.
If you are looking for durability and longevity then stainless steel is the way to go
@@CallumCarmicheal Do you know if SpaceX is going to buy or make their steel? I am too lazy right now to confirm but I was under impression they would be buying it. I personally think SpaceX is a big promotion from grand promoter Musk, that won't ever actually deliver it's ultimate intent. I do hope I'm wrong, of course.
@@k1m198 I'm not sure if they are manufacturing the SS or sourcing it. I know they are forming / printing it in-house though and I can guarantee you that this is a test to see how demanding and efficient manufacturing process they created is. This will ultimately determine how the steel is produced for Space X (At least that's the way i see it).
As for the other fact that Musk might not deliver, Lets look at it this way. The guy simply wanted to buy a rocket to start a business of transporting people to mars. Everywhere he went refused to sell him a rocket so the mad lad learned how to create his own (I say learned loosely as Im pretty sure he did not learn all of it as y'kno you can hire specialists for the finer details) and started creating his own rockets with the advancement of AI decided to attempt to make them fully automated...
So at this point I think that only a few things that would end his aspiration would be:
1) A massive scandal that displays him a negative light / losses all faith or trust.
2) Its somehow physically impossible to live on mars in which creating a habitat could not solve, Eg: Different in gravity causing catastrophic human dysfunctions (eg, heart cannot keep up with the new load of pumping against gravity, which can be a very likely situation)
3) Laws / regulation that would prohibit musk or interplanetary travel.
With those 3 hurdles aside I believe this man might stop at nothing but that is to be seen. I might seem like a fan boy of musk which I sorta am as he kick started another space race when it was dying down to Just good enough but I believe that its highly plausible for him to achieve this as he is conducting a DIY stance on the matter where the only thing that can prohibit is Laws.
An EV truck would still be heavy. I don’t think a normal steed frame would be much lighter anywqy. Choosing the special design reduces manufacturimg costs of the SS and of the E-glass panels. Flat panels also means lower repair costs and faster repairs.
There are also regions in the world with a very humid and salty environment where cars rust extremely quickly. This material would be much more apprpriate in that case
Thanks. You answered all my questions about SS cars. And why the scumbag car manufacturers didn't use SS.
All it would have taken is for ONE car company to figure out how make them affordably...then they could have sold millions of cars. Especially in places where they put salt on the roads.
If #Tesla #CyberTruck uses all SS in the underbody / battery box / everything down there -- it could be a huge seller in those places.
No they would make less money in places that salt the roads because they won't need to buy a new car every few years
@@theginjaninja132 yes, but 'Everyone' will want one
@@Dave--FkTheDeepstate short term profits might be high but long term they don't always maintain their profitability, Toyota in some ways is an exception but cars to most people are appliances and just like your kitchen appliances at home they are sometimes designed to need certain things replaced more often in order to maintain a constant revenue for manufacturers.
No, "scumbag" car manufacturers have not used stainless steel because of the thought that a S/steel car will last much longer, they don't use it for many other reasons. It is heavy, saltwater will attack it (galvanic corrosion), it is quite brittle and does not crumple easily in a crash. All other fasteners that are not S/steel but go through the exoskeleton will need some sort of barrier between the different metals. Plus, I would not like to be the first unfortunate pedestrian that gets hit by one of these. You will end up pink mist.
If Musk had wanted to make them last a long time, he would have used galvanised steel. This is what is most prevalent in marine use. And you can't get a more corrosive environment than the ocean. If stainless steel was so good - then ship hulls would be made of it.
Please don't get me wrong I agree that car manufacturers build their cars not to last longer than about 10 years, but they have more sneaky tricks than rust nowadays.
In philippines, there are locally produced, hand made and hand assembled cars called "owner type jeep" some are made of stainless, and the body literally lasts a lifetime. Their not as luxurious as modern cars, but its enough to get you from point a to b.
Waw that stainless cars are very pretty. I'm not a car guy, but if they still produced that kind of car, I will definitely get one.
I'm quite certain this yet another Tesla gimmick. As has been shown with past models, Tesla isn't good about costing out the parts to come to a profitable price. As another Ford executive once said, if the part costs less than 1/200 of a cent, we give it to the customer for free. If the Cybertruck doesn't sell in the forecast numbers, Tesla will take a financial beating with something worse than a sledgehammer. They'll take an even worse beating if it isn't costed closely enough and it turns out to be a big seller. They'd lose even more money total under that scenario. The late, lamented BMC had experience with this problem selling the Mini. Stainless steel, especially cold rolled, is a very expensive metal to produce and work with. There's a reason why major buildings, that have no five year replacement cycle, aren't generally built with stainless steel. Finally, there are still Federal safety standards to meet in terms of body integrity for impact and rollover. I've heard nothing about the Cybertruck meeting those standards.
It’s that mindset that gets humans nowhere! I bet you think the earth is flat too!
@@hanniffydinn6019 Yeah, nothing worse that facts to flatten out the earth. Don't worry, dude, Elon will still be launching rockets and going to Mars.
Sar Jim the cybertruck will sell Like hot cakes, and every influencer and wealthy person on earth will have one. You are just a flat earther with a simple uneducated mind to see it. Visionary’s don’t need you, they move forward regardless of idiots like you. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🌍🌍🌍
@@hanniffydinn6019 "Influencer". You hipsters really believe this crap, don't you. The truck isn't even in production yet. It has any number of material issues to work through before that can happen, and Tesla needs to build a new production line and get people trained before it can even start production. The current financial condition of the company is any misstep with this truck and and Tesla will quickly be in financial trouble. Being a visionary is nice, but guys like Delorean, the last one with a stainless steel vehicle, was a visionary that ended up bankrupt. Vision without the money to carry it through doesn't mean much. I hope you don't own Tesla stock but, if you do, I suggest you read www.digitaltrends.com/cars/tesla-is-dying-and-this-is-how-it-will-end/ and get a stop loss plan in place.
Finally, does every wealthy person and "influencer" in the world already own a Tesla? Didn't think so. There are a lot of companies making EVs now, and most of them are financially stable. The combination of Nissan and BMW has already produced as many EVs as Tesla since it started, and many more companies are nipping at Tesla's heels. People make buying decisions based on a lot of aspects other than how cool a product is.
That truck is perfect for someone who values quality over cosmetics.
It is ugly, that's for sure. I don't know if it's quality.
If they value quality over cosmetics they will buy a Hilux.
I think the buying cycle/planned obsolescence thing is much less of an issue to sales than you would think. There are a section of society who buy a new car, keep it as long as its reasonably reliable without major repairs (say 7-10 years) and then replace. However most people either buy new cars, or they buy used cars, and often people will buy at a similar age (of car) each time. New sales are primarily driven by finance deals, PCP is designed to trap people into replacing a car every 3 years, because after the 3 years is up they would need to pay out about half the cars value to keep it, whereas by just continuing to pay the low monthly rate (and a deposit which will be much smaller than the payment owed on the old car) they can get something new - which is flashier etc. This means that very few people who actually buy a new car are worried about how long it lasts - they only own it whilst its warrantied and pre-MOT. Theres a couple of other things to note, body work condition is hardly ever the cause for scrapping a car, theres usually far more rust under the car than on the body unless it suffered some damage which wasnt repaired. So unless they start making subframes out of stainless steel, the cars life expectancy will be the same. As an additional factor for Tesla, its got a battery, which will likely last around 10 years, which any decent well maintained car should last anyway. So, cars are more likely to be scrapped due to poor battery range than body corrosion.
Really, replacing a car you bought new because it fell to bits after 5 years hasn't been the case for over 20 years, and longer for many manufacturers - which is of course why they invented the finance deals to boost sales.
I think the other factors, about the technical difficulties and the lack of colour wer very interesting, but at the end of the day, unless you make the whole thing out of a rust proof material, its still gonna die. I have an Avantime, plastic body is obviously mint 17 years on, glavanised chassis also looking pretty good, but everything attached to the chassis (subframe, suspension, various brackets and supports), all rusting away far too fast. I will have to strip it down and galvanize everything at some point so it lasts.
At this rate it'll be a miracle id the cybertruck ever exists at all.
No mention of safety in collisions. The harder car will just obliterate anything it hits instead of crumpling like all other cars. This is a mixed blessing depending on if you are in the truck or in the thing being hit
You really have to want to hit something in the Cybertruck or be the Clown who leave self driving aids off because you are a cocky and overconfident driver …. It’s not like the standard driver only cars of today and yesterday ….
Thanks for this deep dive.... No thanks for showing those horrendous painted DeLoreans!!!
In the Philippines, there are stainless steel vehicles everywhere.
welding straight pieces together is not a big deal. the weight is gonna be a problem unless he changes his mind and adds some thrusters. yes, this is where he is aiming. two of these on top of a falcon heavy rocket.
With a little work, that COULD turn into a hell of a military truck🤔🤔
Imho
Yup. Police forces in Dubai, Mexico, and others have preordered them.
You mean "armor" that can't stop a 9mm round and glass that can't stop a bullet? Yeah I'd just take an actual armored vehicle. But it's fine for the cartel funded police in Mexico and the just for show tourism police in dubai, to sit alongside their lambos
This sounds like a bunch of excuses. I love the last one.
"It's bullet proof!"
My thoughts: "yeah, how cool is that?"
Video: "it's gonna be used by criminals!"
Also, environmentalism is the big thing now. Why is trying to make cars more sustainable, longer lasting, and easier to repair a bad thing?
And BTW - how is a car made of streel plates harder to repair than a car made of an intricate aluminium cast? The cost of a stainless steel sheet and a few welds is way lower than the cost of exchanging a part of the car that is specifically.pre-shaped and marketed by the manufacturer.
"Bullet proof" is only a good idea, if you live in a freaking warzone, where it's more likely you get shot, than get in a situation where you (or anyone else from the outside) need to break the glass to get out of the car. Outside of warzones, it's more likely you get killed by having bullet proof glass, than that it saves your life.
It's not for nothing they invented car-glass the way it is now. It's not for nothing they designed tools to easily break car-glass, that they recommend you alway have in your car.
Everyone who loves the bullet proof glass, honestly didn't think it through and has no grasp on reality.
@@cryptopolice6202 @Crypto Police Bulletproof also means debris proof. It means if you plan to off-road with the car, it won't be banged up by gravel and minor falls.
Also, in a US context, anyone can shoot you. In fact, even outside of the US anyone can shoot you.
As for bulletproof glass, you can make it so the glass panel can be easily ejected from the inside, and not the outside. You don't have to break it.
Once again, I hear the whining of a person with ZERO creativity or appreciation, who loves to live by yesterday's statistics. 10 years from now you'll comment the same way you do now, but you'll say "I wouldn't buy a car without bulletproof exterior, it's the industry norm! Why would you NOT want to be protected? There is a reason it exists!". Because sheep like you always repeat the most comfortable and least offensive opinion possible.
@@horvathbenedek3596 yeah blabla. Good luck when you need assistance and can't "eject" the window yourself.
But as long as your window is fine when gravel magically hits it on the side, right? You dumbass :D
This needs to be in back to the future part 4
I think part of it has to do with style. Most cars today look the same. Remember when you could name a car based on its looks? Now we have to look for the name buried somewhere in all that plastic.
I’d hate to be hit by that thing, either as a pedestrian or in any other vehicle. Typical arrogant car design.
Is there any car you would like to be hit by ???
@@chrisbraid2907 yes.
There is no way the cyber truck is road legal with these light, especially in germany.
The high and sharp hood is also a nightmare for pedestrian safety.
Only when collision avoidance is turned off or malfunctioning …
@@chrisbraid2907 software has nothing to do with it not beeing safe or road legal.
Cool summary, thank you for this interesting deep dive in history 😙🎶
my volvo 960 1995 has still not had any welding due to its galvanised body and chassis what a car they are finally going up in value as people realise what quality build they had