Support me, Get Merch! shop.thelinuxcast.org 0:00 Intro 1:31 Our Week in FOSS 1:55 Tyler's Week in FOSS 6:02 Matt's Week in FOSS 18:54 Linux Distro Tier List 1:27:30 Nuggies of the Week 1:27:54 Tyler's Nuggie of the Week 1:29:27 Matt's Nuggie of the Week 1:32:23 Contact Info and Goodbyes
I dunno if you're tracking it in from outside, but if you are prone to a lot of dust in your house, I recommend getting a hepa filter where you spend the most time. Better for your health, and better for your computer.
@@blarghblarghFirst build I made I put intake fans on both fan locations and those 5 1/4 inch "drive coolers" with intake fans, all with filters on them to overpower the exhaust fans on the GPU and PSU with positive pressure of filtered air (in an old case). My computer room is dusty as heck, but I ran the thing for 4 years and the interior stayed pristine. Also every computer I personally encountered where the hard drive went bad (only 2 one mine and one my nephew's) was mounted on the floor. I guess, that's bad, especially with no filtered intake.
Linux Mint should be A tier, simply because of the amount of people they bring into the Linux world, me included. They also do a lot to add the community by working on their Cinnamon desktop and other projects like Timeshift that add to Linux world as a whole. Now with the inclusion of LMDE development, basically Debian for Newbs is just awesome. I just love their whole philosophy and you can't argue that it's got to be one of the most polished and stable systems out there.
For what you point out, I actually put Mint as an S tier (and this comes from a person who runs openbox on Arch and sometimes WindowMaker on Gentoo). It doesn't get much geek credit, but it just works and you can get things done on it. Out of the box, it is much better than Ubuntu. Cinnamon is an easy to use desktop, but you do have other options. Can a tech geek use it? sure, although if they say "rice my system" more than once a month, then you're probably using arch or nixos, so it's a bad fit, but now we've narrowed our criteria. Give it to a Windows user? They can probably get day to day tasks done and feel mostly at home. Mac users might have complaints, but they are the same ones they have as they have with Windows. So, if you want an out of the box daily driver for almost all jobs, to be able to do gaming via Steam, and watch videos and movies on sites that support widevine, Mint will work very well for you.
Yeah, the thing with linux mint is that it isn't neccessarily groundbreaking or cool. but it's just a workhorse with more recent software and things setup than debian without the shitshow parts of ubuntu.
100%. Linux is a “just works” workhorse of a distro. Installs and works simply. Cinnamon reminds me of a Windows 2000 desktop, which means clean, easy and simple, stays out of the way so you can just get on with your tasks.
The best linux distro is the one that makes you feel like at home. Your house, your little digital house. My first serious go at distro was Arch Linux. And I loved it, because I was following Muta (SomeOrdinaryGamers) walkthrough and ended up built a system for myself, the joy was almost like when I built my rig on my own. But the constant attention to maintain the distro, and chance that things might break and I was so spoiled by Windows so I can't be bothered to fix it, and reinstalling is a long journey, prompted me to hop. OpenSUSE and Fedora Silverblue, great distro but I was not at ease because both have deep ties to the enterprise. And then came Void Linux. Easier to install than Arch with the XFCE iso, I learned how to partition the drive too so it was easy. I also like XFCE minimalism. Manual maintainance is still require but I'm ok with that, and Void is break-resistant compare to Arch. Finally I found what I want: A distro that is: non-reliant, independent (Void doesn't rely on systemd nor an enterprise), minimalist (even with XFCE iso still less packages than OpenSUSE or Fedora out of the box), not likely to break during an upgrade like Arch, plus Void allows partial upgrades without breaking the system, in Arch it is always full upgrades each time, and you want to extend it functionalities, you have to go find the packages or flatpacks for it. I am spoiled by 6 years worth of Windows, I use VS Code. Now on Void I can run Rust code in Geany.
I agree. A PC is a very personal thing. You are the king and you need to be able to configure it exactly like you want it. I prefer highly configurable software. For example, I don’t want that MiB, GiB dog food stuff. For me, 1024 B = 1 KB Hard drive manufacturers are the problem. What is funny is that when you look at the cache size for the hard drive, they actually write MB instead of MiB. KDE is the only one that solved this. You can choose between the 3 standards. I asked the MagoHUD guys to add the ability to choose between the 3 standards and they didn’t want to do. Why not? So, I had to take their code and modify it. What if I don’t want Celsius? Maybe I prefer Kelvin. Maybe I prefer meters. Maybe I prefer kilograms. Dudes! Write highly configurable software!
Nix and Pop! being in A tier are crimes. But Mint being B tier is a war crime. It is easily the best debian-derivative distro along with MX for a lot of reasons, but the man behind Mint is based to say the least
For me S tier will always be reserved for independent distribution. They are foundation for every other distro. So S tier would be Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Arch, Slackware, Gentoo, NixOS etc. Everything below is just personal preference based on hardware support, software availability, community, documentation quality, and level of tinkering desire.
I really can't believe you didn't even have Puppy Linux in your icons! Puppy got me into linux for real. It served the same purpose that Tails does today. The big thing for me was that I could have a live CD that would boot into RAM and my userspace was portable. It allowed me to learn without pissing off my parents by wiping their computer.
Also going to post this here, if I were to do this again, I'd argue for Arch to be higher. That's definitely one I wish we had back. So don't kill us Arch fans. It's a great distro.
Honestly, I think it's ranked too high. Arch is too unstable to be used for any use case where some level of reliability is required, and this makes Arch just a toy distro. It may be a cool toy, but for any kind of real work it's not an option. No higher then C tier.
Also enabling backports allows to have newer app versions. Main point of criticism for Debian was that it has very old apps in its default package sources. Backports solve this problem, also allowing to have more or less new kernel version. It's funny, but after using Debian at home, I even notice that I see Ubuntu as a bloated system at work, primarily thanks to their snap crap.
@@xx-hc4sx From Debian 12 its release cycle has been improved. Not by much but every 2 months or so Debian offers slightly better kernel and DE update along with security and bug fixes. Current is 12.5 and they upgraded kernel and gnome Shell as well as other DE. But you are right. Alternatively you can build a New kernel from source if you Like.. backports are another Great option. But generally 6.1 kernel runs almost everything 1 year backwards in terms of hardware. I Like Debian cause it is clean and you can configure it as you Like.
@@hb9145 Old means nobody’s still building stuff on top of it, so if you want to use any software that’s reasonably new and fast, you’re SOL. You have no new optimizations either so the system runs slow even if the software you want to run can run. Debian is good if you want a server. Maybe good if you’re some stodgy business doing word processing and the occasional web app. For gaming or a proper workstation, it kinda sucks.
20:50 Nobara worked wonders on my hybrid laptop right from the beginning. No additional configuration needed, and Glorious Eggroll really cares about not releasing unstable packages.
@marktaylor7162 nobara broke for me. Literally ever install breaks starting a few weeks ago. Like steam won't open level of break. But it works on arch no problem
@@YaySyu That's shame. There's probably something about your hardware configuration that doesn't agree with it. It's running fine for me and it just got KDE Plasma 6 when I updated today.
I'm unbelievably impressed by Void Linux. I switched over to it a bit ago. It's been so smooth and it boots up wicked fast. Plus their IRC community has been the most helpful I've ever experienced (as opposed to Arch where it's always "RTFM"). It hurts me to say, but I might prefer Void over Debian. And Debian has always been #1 in my heart. Void is just that freaking good.
Yeah, when I hear "40 minutes to do the updates with dnf" I don't understand how people are putting up with that, it would be 20 minutes with apt, 10 with pacman and 9 with xbps.
@@bobbyfried7478 I guess he was updating the system after a long time and he had 1500+ packages installed. I was talking about Matt's experience at 7:44 I did tests of pacman, xbps and apt in the VM, both were almost twice faster than apt, and dnf/zypper are even slower than apt, so 30-40 minutes sounds possible on big updates.
I enjoyed this. Absolutely hilarious. Hard to take it too serious when the criteria was amendable in application. A tiered distro list is pretty much impossible.
I have spent very little time messing with init systems. Did removing systemd provide any upstream value in abstracting things that would otherwise have remained hard-coded to systemd? If so, then said "protest distro" could have some utilitarian purpose. And possibly having a distro dedicated to that decision could be more useful than just having an unpopular config option in a different distro.
Manjaro is getting so much hate from every corner and it's true that the Manjaro team have messed up several times, but from my perspective, the fact remains that Manjaro has just been the slickest, most polished and most stable experience I've had with any Arch-based distro. Sure, in theory AUR packages can break stuff due by holding back packages from the Arch repos, but in practice it's never happened to me. Maybe that's just my good (or bad) luck, but when it comes down to it my own experience is what matters most to me. So, Manjaro's an A-tier for me, personally. MX also deserves to go higher. It's super stable and it's a better first distro than Mint these days. As such, it should be higher than Mint in my opinion. I haven't used Cinnamon in a few years, but last time I did it felt like the mission statement was to make the most boring and characterless desktop environment imaginable. Mint's main advantage as a first distro now could be that after a few months, it's likely to bore new Linux users into trying something more interesting. Anyway, currently using Nobara on my desktop and Manjaro on my laptop, and seriously thinking about having a play around with NixOS.
Agreed, I was on Debian and extremely happy with it but then I had to upgrade my graphics card and to make Debian work I'd have to completely deconstruct everything that makes it good. I switched to Fedora and I've been very happy with it
The corporate considerations behind it might have indirectly pulled down the ranking. No matter how removed Fedora is from RHEL, the connection still exists and people are not liking Red Hat a lot right now. I still use Fedora though, although should it come to a spring cleaning reinstall, I am planning on checking out Nobara.
These days I use Void. And I strongly disagree that it's just a "protest distro", it's simply a distro that follows proper engineering principles better than most. Avoiding systemd is just one of the inevitable consequences of following those engineering principles, because systemd doesn't. Void is widely considered to be the most UNIX-like Linux, and that can only be a good thing as far as I'm concerned. If Void didn't exist, it's quite likely I would actually just switch to OpenBSD or FreeBSD, at least for a significant portion of what I do.
Slackware is one of the original distros. Many distros have their roots from Slackware. Though, I think Slackware should have been C tier. Slackware, Debian and Red Hat are the 3 main distributions. Just about every Linux distro is based on those 3. The order is Slackware ( Jul 1993), Debian (Sep 1993), then Red Hat (May 1995).
Maybe I missed it, but before ranking distros or anything for that matter, the criteria or metrics need to be established. As much as I enjoyed this show, it seemed that the ranking system was made up as they went along. These guys got plenty right though. Just came off of Opensuse. I'm currently running Endeavour OS, but MX Tools is YAST without all of the redundancy. Also MX recognized my Brother printer immediately.
Out of all the tier lists, this is the most pointless one. It is the view of 2 Linux nerds or hobbyists. Gentoo on S? It is definitely not helping to spread Linux to the users. NixOS and ArcoLinx in A? No normal user or business would use it. I think with ArcoLinux you are mixing up the distro itself with great work of Erik. Guys, please first set up the criteria for ranking. E.g. example Titus made an excellent tier list (and I only partially agree with him). But his criteria are clear. E.g. he prefers community-based distros, and the original ones - not the derivatives. One can agree or disagree, but his view on the distros is very clear and from his view the ranking is logical. I think that some distros just shout very loud. It does not mean, they are good. Even I understand Arch and I used it for a while, there are too many updates. So, no daily driver. NixOS is so far away from adhering to Linux standard, that it ruins all the efforts to harmonize Linux. Nevertheless an interesting concept. You can argue about the list on distrowatch. But it reflects the hit ranking - also in the long term. Not the worst critera. At least Debian is commonly accepted. So Matt, I watched a lot of your videos, but I am a bit disappointed. Please set up first the criteria for ranking the distros. Personally I prefer the view from the point of an end user, wanting to replace Windows or MacOS. I.e., install the Linux distro and forget about it. Just use it. I can also understand different views (e.g. special distros, distros for servers, distros for learning, ...), just make it clear. After all, it is only my opinion.
don't be ashamed MX is number 1 on distrowatch for a reason. the tools alone make it a winner in my book. i'll stay on mint for now though really want to dig into void more i could see me rocking that one on a daily basis. the package manager is a plus also.
I’m using Zorin OS Pro on a MacBook Air from 2015. I was running version 16 and just upgraded to 17. I had to paid for the upgrade but 20% off. It was $38.40. I also tweaked it a little bit to look like macOS. Then I got an iMac from 2011 running POP! OS. That is like the only distro I found that works right out of the box for everything. I just got this iMac about a couple months ago off craigslist for $30. It had a flashing folder on the boot up screen. I opened it up and there’s no hard drive in it so I installed the 500 GB SSD. I use this computer to watch ESPN plus and RUclips. The only thing is that it gets super hot and it freezes my streaming after 30 mins or 2hrs. It varies.
Hi Matt & Tyler, Thanks for your Video. I've been laughing aloud quite time! I love your attitude, knowledge, free without compromised talking, joyfulness... Can't give opinion about distro Tier cause ain't on your level Been a pleasure. Thanks again!
10:10 game loading does not disappear, you will be cpu-bound because game data is unpacked during loading, it doesn't matter if you do it in ram, unpacking will be slower than the RAM itself. Maybe it isn't true for some games which support quick loading, but I think such games only exist on consoles right now.
I agree that Arco is the Arch sweet-spot. I also use Manjaro, the reason that some broken things get pushed through is a lack of bodies. Not every user is going to use the Testing branch as a daily driver. If 1% or less of the users help test....then things will be broken.
Fedora should be A tier. Same with Kinoite. Both solid distros both very user friendly they technically are upstream of RH so in theory they could easily be forked if needed. In terms of freshness they are also as up to date as Arch and Suse
In regards to KDE neon, I wpuld say D tier or even F tier is reasonable. Nicco from Nicco loves linux who works on KDE, explicitly recommends not to use it and calls it horrible because of its issues lol
Linux Lite is based on Ubuntu LTS... is quite good to put into old laptop/pc for daily use. Zorin OS Pro is $48 , and if I'm not mistaken is one time purchase. For me zorin is just ubuntu with different style of UI, and easy to adapt for new user coming to linux.
I have been running void in a VM for about two months now the only thing keeping me from making it my daily driver is i want to learn more about it before i commit. i love how light on resources it runs it runs with 450-550 pkgs i don't even see how that's possible. give it a while and void may be the next distro on everyone's lips.
I think Arch should be at least an A distro, all things considered. Yes, the community is toxic af, but there are people who are willing to help, and with scripts like archinstall, more and more noobs are going to use it, meaning noob support naturally is going to be better. Furthermore, Arch is still by far and away the best user of the AUR, which is probably the greatest software repo on the planet. And as you’ve said, Arch spawned other great distros. Another point is that while Arch is not that great for noobs, I’d say that it’s convenience if you know what you’re doing. You get a basic system and then you install the things that you want and pull your own dotfiles and you’re done. It is a great gateway to something more barebones such as Gentoo. Also like it or not, the Arch Wiki along with the Gentoo and Debian handbooks are probably the best documentation of Linux on Earth. As great as Eric is, he is translating the wiki to normal people, much like I imagine a priest reading the Bible to common folks (heavy exaggerations here), but if that’s the case, are you ranking the priest higher than the Bible itself? (Before anyone flame me, Eric is a god for making videos that are so accessible and understandable for normal people). I initially thought it would be an S tier (for me) but then you mentioned GRUB. Yeah, there’s no defending there. It just breaks. But I also think that it’s in software’s nature to break, breaking means it’s developing, so while GRUB alone would firmly knock Arch out of S tier, it wouldn’t knock Arch down to B for me.
Omitted completely; Garuda & Rhino. I could excuse Rhino given it's relatively new on the scene but still, it's rolling Ubuntu so it should be on here somewhere. Garuda on the other hand, there's no excuse for omitting it. Yes, it has been my daily driver for the past 7 months or so. For me, it's an A-tier distro. Their unofficial Hyprland edition is fantastic.
@@TheLinuxCast Yeah I get that for sure, just sayin' it's a far more polished, supported & developed distro (with several flavors) than many that were included on it. Garuda is a fairly mature & serious distro. That's all I'm sayiing.
I revived my old laptop. First i put Debian gnome on it, but I couldn't get used to working in gnome, so I installed mint, but mint was too slow, ultimately elementary worked great. Applications load up pretty fast, it's a good desktop to use. So I'm sticking with elementary for now.
Mint should have made it to the A tier at least. It literally saves peoples' souls, freeing them from Win and possibly other bad OS and gives them an open gate to the world of Linux. It has a solid collection of software to make it a versatile OS for many people, it is stable, well established, well supported. I don't know why you've placed it so low. (not a Mint user, so no bias)
MX Linux is an A tier distro. Their developers, forum, user support, tools and dedication in general to it's new adoptees ... is awesome! How Mint in any flavor compares as higher ... nah ... just for adopting warpinator alone ... grrr! lol
I moved from Windows like 2 months ago. Tried the most used distros. OpenSUSE Tumbleweek use recent kernel and pretty easy for new linux user. Tried Ubuntu 2-3 in the past 5 years and could not leave windows with this distro. I didn't knew better distro at this time. Now OpenSUSE! Nvidia 550 soon to fix wayland, KDE Plasma 6 soon, gaming way better. It's now the time to switch to open source for Windows user. At least try it. IMO: KDE for windows user. Gnome for IOS/android kind experience.
So Linux From Scratch is like the punch line of the old joke. "Dear Grandmother, thank you for the book. It tells me more than I want to know about penguins."
I'm the only person you'll hear utter this sentence: My mint experience was signifcantly less enjoyable than my Ubuntu one. On DAY ONE,i installed LMMS and the system made itself read only. As my first linux experience i had no idea what that meant and procceded to reinstall the OS,and the system making itself read only randomly was a common experience for me,happening as often as once a week,eventually i learned how to get out of it by running fsck in the grub boot but it was still an annoyance.And with XFCE mint the system basically ended up in a state where there were 3 fucking kernels it was choosing from ,and i dont know if i did anything that unusual.
Zyper isn't slow. Most original repo servers are located in germany. You are in US now - get that map. Im in Poland German servers are bit slower then Polish ones yet they are way more stable / up to date, especialy when it comes to / boils down to tubleweed ones.
Haha this is a total mess. Did you really think you and Tyler were gonna rank all the distros you've barely even heard of let alone used. But funny though. 😂 Hey, tier lists get all the comments and clicks. I respect the hustle.
@@TheLinuxCastYeah, come to think of it, you corrected Tyler's mistakes. I think the impression I got was mostly from his comments. Like saying that KDE Neon is a great distro and deserves A or B tier. 😂
LFS is not a distribution. Its a paper for thosw that will learn how linux works. For me as a lecturer, I use the documentation from LFS as a source for training for my students
I don't understand this argument about AUR in manjaro - just wait a little bit with updating packages form AUR. From personal experience, I use manjaro few years (around 5) and I've occurrence only few issues. Community is big, so it's a good start for someone who wants to try a arch based distro.
Everyone has an opinion, but Lite got railroaded too low. The initial B tier recommendation was accurate. Coming from Windows and sticking a pinky toe into the Linux pool was awesome on Lite. I've moved on, but it's awesome for new user folks and old hardware.
Years ago I used Debian and I've recently switched back. I'm surprised at how little customization I had to do to get my system configured the way I like it. Far less than Ubuntu. (removing snaps, etc)
Linux From Scratch is awesome for the purpose they've created: education. No other distro lets you dig into so deep how a linux OS is built. So, that is an "S", definitely. :)
This was an excellent High Level very comprehensive - overview of Linux ISO distros. I just wish I could understand or work with... Many Ubuntu distros - only post the name Ubuntu into the boot menu - even though it might be Ubuntu "something else". Why don't Distros write a better (more identifiable) name into the Boot Menu.
Such a shame LFS is so low. No, I'm definitely not a LFS propagandist, not me! edit: yes i did get steam on lfs, a showcase is on my channel, and even now, im currently streaming building lfs again, and trying to compile wine as well steam. it is indeed possible.
StormOS previous iso I would have ranked b or a it worked well for me and had visual appeal. Current iso is d or f if I can get it installed the desktop causes vertigo 😢 Arch is a S sorry all I can say 😷
Started with Zorin Core two years ago when I saw that it that wasn't ugly. Tried a dozen distros on Ventoy but see no reason to switch. I'm in Chrome 90% of the time and can now do that without Windows bloat, nagging, spying or refusing to install. I use Android so Google is spying on me anyway. At least I get customized news. Pinta is perfect for light photo editing. I run old quad core biz desktops that I get for $60 so older kernels don't bother me. I have no interest in becoming a Linux hobbyist. I believe I have found the best system for normies. The end.
I tried Linux suse 25 years a go couldn't get anything installed no printer Tried it last week it's improved but still dint install my printer so much for suse no drag drop on desktop 😢 Top Debian LM Fedora
Very bad tier list ….pop os better than void linux really ? I mean come on its not only a question of system fucking D or not void is clean and indestructible..in comparison with the Arch gang ..that by itself makes void much higher ..
Next, video 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 please. Linux distros for laptops. I dualbooted endeavourOS and since then, I rarely touch windows. But the battery life on Linux is HORRIBLE! Please make that video. (I prefer kde and I also prefer arch based stuff but not arch itself and don't want to use manjaro. Manjaro is ok but battery life is bad) also, I want some solution for Wayland. It has graphical issues. Specs: Intel pentium silver n6000 Intel jasperlake 32 eu 8gb ram 256gb storage nvme ssd. Screen 1920x1080
For debian u can type (sudo apt install power-profiles-daemon) and then write the command (sudo systemctl enable power-profiles-daemon) and then reboot your pc. After that u can click the battery icon on the kde panel and use the slider to switch to power-saver mode. I dont know about arch and arch based distros though.
I use Archcraft i think its good linux distro for people that want to get into window managers , at least that's how i started. I installed Archcraft and then i installed hyprland on it works great. Yes i know i can do that easier with Nixos , problem last time i tried that not sure what happend after enabling hyprland , i updated nixos config reboot pc and after that i was not able to boot into nixos backups did not worked either.
Generally if something manages to make not just the most recent generations, but _all_ generations unbootable, the problem is usually the filesystem in those cases. Mind if I ask what filesystem you're using and if you did anything to change it recently? Enabling hyprland shouldn't have been enough to brick your system unless the only generations you have left to boot into have it (and even then, it should be possible to cancel loading it to perform recovery work outside of it).
@@angeldude101 I did enabled before this with hyprland , nixos-unstable maybe it has to do something with that. I'm going to try using nixos again , for now I still use Archcraft ,thinking about installing Arch the arch way . About file system on nixos I do not really remember that was few months ago.
Arco higher than Fedora? Seriously? That is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard. (Edit) now I’ve seen it’s higher than Arch. OK clearly you are trolling
If all your documentation has to say in its "security" section is "you can install app armor", you are not a disribution that takes security seriously, and you are not a serious distribution.
@@TheLinuxCasti didnt see the fedora silverblue icon so i thought it wasnt even considered a distro, but i forgot kinoite is basically the same thing.
Manjaro doesn't deserve bottom tier because you have an apparent and obvious bias against them. Someone from their company must've hurt your feelings and ever since you've held on to the grudge. It's quite obvious to anyone who studies your comments and videos to know that this is the case. Nevertheless, Manjaro is still King as far as I'm concerned and is heads above the majority of "joke" distros you mentioned. You're right, it's our opinion; it's also YOUR opinion as well.
It's really not a good distro. It breaks often, they make horrendous mistakes when it comes to pamac (at least twice that I know of), and the organization is a bit too attached to proprietary software. But you use what you want to use. This was all opinion and just a bit of fun that people took way too seriously.
@@TheLinuxCast You mean it's not a good distro --- as far as YOU'RE concerned. As far as I AM concerned, it's the best. Let's not pretend that your subjective opinion is the final word on anything. Spoiler alert: it's not. Neither is mine.
Manjaro does not break ”offten”, hardly ever brreks, AUR is shit to even Arch users and have no counter measures to DDOS attacks falsely blamed to pamac.
he put it in F because it 'breaks easily' but i remember when linus tried to simply install steam on pop! os and it deemed it necessary to uninstall the entire desktop environment, yet they put that in A tier so.. guess it all comes down to personal experience. to be fair i use manjaro often and i find it ok but i've had my issues, for example kde's useless search indexer baloo decided to write literal terabytes of logs one day until my drive ran out of space and in the end i just ended up disabling it because it can't even handle asian language words anyway
lost interest at mint, you made arguement why nixOS should be low cuz not many can use it, but then show your ass at mint because you dont like something
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0:00 Intro
1:31 Our Week in FOSS
1:55 Tyler's Week in FOSS
6:02 Matt's Week in FOSS
18:54 Linux Distro Tier List
1:27:30 Nuggies of the Week
1:27:54 Tyler's Nuggie of the Week
1:29:27 Matt's Nuggie of the Week
1:32:23 Contact Info and Goodbyes
Timestamps for every distro mentioned would be amazing
I dunno if you're tracking it in from outside, but if you are prone to a lot of dust in your house, I recommend getting a hepa filter where you spend the most time. Better for your health, and better for your computer.
When ya boy gets his Linux fixation, you know it’s “the best”
@@blarghblarghFirst build I made I put intake fans on both fan locations and those 5 1/4 inch "drive coolers" with intake fans, all with filters on them to overpower the exhaust fans on the GPU and PSU with positive pressure of filtered air (in an old case). My computer room is dusty as heck, but I ran the thing for 4 years and the interior stayed pristine. Also every computer I personally encountered where the hard drive went bad (only 2 one mine and one my nephew's) was mounted on the floor. I guess, that's bad, especially with no filtered intake.
Linux Mint should be A tier, simply because of the amount of people they bring into the Linux world, me included. They also do a lot to add the community by working on their Cinnamon desktop and other projects like Timeshift that add to Linux world as a whole. Now with the inclusion of LMDE development, basically Debian for Newbs is just awesome. I just love their whole philosophy and you can't argue that it's got to be one of the most polished and stable systems out there.
For what you point out, I actually put Mint as an S tier (and this comes from a person who runs openbox on Arch and sometimes WindowMaker on Gentoo). It doesn't get much geek credit, but it just works and you can get things done on it. Out of the box, it is much better than Ubuntu. Cinnamon is an easy to use desktop, but you do have other options. Can a tech geek use it? sure, although if they say "rice my system" more than once a month, then you're probably using arch or nixos, so it's a bad fit, but now we've narrowed our criteria. Give it to a Windows user? They can probably get day to day tasks done and feel mostly at home. Mac users might have complaints, but they are the same ones they have as they have with Windows. So, if you want an out of the box daily driver for almost all jobs, to be able to do gaming via Steam, and watch videos and movies on sites that support widevine, Mint will work very well for you.
Agree. I'm a linux veteran for 15 years. And I use linux mint daily. It just works.
Yeah, the thing with linux mint is that it isn't neccessarily groundbreaking or cool. but it's just a workhorse with more recent software and things setup than debian without the shitshow parts of ubuntu.
100%. Linux is a “just works” workhorse of a distro. Installs and works simply. Cinnamon reminds me of a Windows 2000 desktop, which means clean, easy and simple, stays out of the way so you can just get on with your tasks.
Deultima,
I'm another one from Windows.
You've maden a great comment
This was a hilarious disaster in retrospect.
The best linux distro is the one that makes you feel like at home. Your house, your little digital house.
My first serious go at distro was Arch Linux. And I loved it, because I was following Muta (SomeOrdinaryGamers) walkthrough and ended up built a system for myself, the joy was almost like when I built my rig on my own. But the constant attention to maintain the distro, and chance that things might break and I was so spoiled by Windows so I can't be bothered to fix it, and reinstalling is a long journey, prompted me to hop.
OpenSUSE and Fedora Silverblue, great distro but I was not at ease because both have deep ties to the enterprise.
And then came Void Linux. Easier to install than Arch with the XFCE iso, I learned how to partition the drive too so it was easy. I also like XFCE minimalism. Manual maintainance is still require but I'm ok with that, and Void is break-resistant compare to Arch. Finally I found what I want: A distro that is: non-reliant, independent (Void doesn't rely on systemd nor an enterprise), minimalist (even with XFCE iso still less packages than OpenSUSE or Fedora out of the box), not likely to break during an upgrade like Arch, plus Void allows partial upgrades without breaking the system, in Arch it is always full upgrades each time, and you want to extend it functionalities, you have to go find the packages or flatpacks for it. I am spoiled by 6 years worth of Windows, I use VS Code. Now on Void I can run Rust code in Geany.
I agree. A PC is a very personal thing. You are the king and you need to be able to configure it exactly like you want it.
I prefer highly configurable software.
For example, I don’t want that MiB, GiB dog food stuff.
For me, 1024 B = 1 KB
Hard drive manufacturers are the problem. What is funny is that when you look at the cache size for the hard drive, they actually write MB instead of MiB.
KDE is the only one that solved this. You can choose between the 3 standards.
I asked the MagoHUD guys to add the ability to choose between the 3 standards and they didn’t want to do. Why not?
So, I had to take their code and modify it.
What if I don’t want Celsius? Maybe I prefer Kelvin. Maybe I prefer meters. Maybe I prefer kilograms.
Dudes! Write highly configurable software!
Nix and Pop! being in A tier are crimes.
But Mint being B tier is a war crime. It is easily the best debian-derivative distro along with MX for a lot of reasons, but the man behind Mint is based to say the least
Mint is overrated. It's just for Windows users, not for Linux enthusiasts really
@@DanielAnderssson ok archlinux-supremacist 😂. In the end ALL linux distros are really the same thing
Pop! should be S tier?
@@DanielAndersssonYou mean: Linux is for normal people.
After spending years honing my skills on gentoo, now using MX, and that is one well managed distro.
Those tools are awesome, fo sho
@@TheLinuxCast yes the tools MX comes with make it a watermark for others i think.
For me S tier will always be reserved for independent distribution. They are foundation for every other distro. So S tier would be Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, Arch, Slackware, Gentoo, NixOS etc. Everything below is just personal preference based on hardware support, software availability, community, documentation quality, and level of tinkering desire.
and void linux
And Alpine.
I really can't believe you didn't even have Puppy Linux in your icons!
Puppy got me into linux for real. It served the same purpose that Tails does today. The big thing for me was that I could have a live CD that would boot into RAM and my userspace was portable. It allowed me to learn without pissing off my parents by wiping their computer.
Also going to post this here, if I were to do this again, I'd argue for Arch to be higher. That's definitely one I wish we had back. So don't kill us Arch fans. It's a great distro.
"Arch is B tier" - Matt ... never forgetting
Arch fans must have cut themselves after seeing that it's only B tier lmao.
I think it should be A tier, that issue with GRUB prevents it from making S
@@ekim4926 A for Arch yes
Honestly, I think it's ranked too high. Arch is too unstable to be used for any use case where some level of reliability is required, and this makes Arch just a toy distro. It may be a cool toy, but for any kind of real work it's not an option. No higher then C tier.
After installing debian 12 i just forgot anything else exists. Not single crash or error message. Pure class
Also enabling backports allows to have newer app versions. Main point of criticism for Debian was that it has very old apps in its default package sources. Backports solve this problem, also allowing to have more or less new kernel version. It's funny, but after using Debian at home, I even notice that I see Ubuntu as a bloated system at work, primarily thanks to their snap crap.
@@xx-hc4sx From Debian 12 its release cycle has been improved. Not by much but every 2 months or so Debian offers slightly better kernel and DE update along with security and bug fixes. Current is 12.5 and they upgraded kernel and gnome Shell as well as other DE. But you are right. Alternatively you can build a New kernel from source if you Like.. backports are another Great option. But generally 6.1 kernel runs almost everything 1 year backwards in terms of hardware. I Like Debian cause it is clean and you can configure it as you Like.
Those old packages tho.
@@fakecubed Old means stable and working.
@@hb9145 Old means nobody’s still building stuff on top of it, so if you want to use any software that’s reasonably new and fast, you’re SOL. You have no new optimizations either so the system runs slow even if the software you want to run can run. Debian is good if you want a server. Maybe good if you’re some stodgy business doing word processing and the occasional web app. For gaming or a proper workstation, it kinda sucks.
20:50 Nobara worked wonders on my hybrid laptop right from the beginning. No additional configuration needed, and Glorious Eggroll really cares about not releasing unstable packages.
Nobara is great, and not just as a gaming distro. It's great for almost anything.
@@marktaylor7162I still prefer using Fedora so I can keep secure boot on
@marktaylor7162 nobara broke for me. Literally ever install breaks starting a few weeks ago. Like steam won't open level of break. But it works on arch no problem
@@YaySyu That's shame. There's probably something about your hardware configuration that doesn't agree with it. It's running fine for me and it just got KDE Plasma 6 when I updated today.
I was just watching one of your older vids, was gonna comment asking for a tier list cause you've looked over so many distros, then BANG here it is
I'm unbelievably impressed by Void Linux. I switched over to it a bit ago. It's been so smooth and it boots up wicked fast. Plus their IRC community has been the most helpful I've ever experienced (as opposed to Arch where it's always "RTFM"). It hurts me to say, but I might prefer Void over Debian. And Debian has always been #1 in my heart. Void is just that freaking good.
For me it is an S tier. Depends highly on personal preferences.
Yeah, when I hear "40 minutes to do the updates with dnf" I don't understand how people are putting up with that, it would be 20 minutes with apt, 10 with pacman and 9 with xbps.
@@JamesSmith-ix5jd why is it taking so long with xbps? slow internet? it never takes more than 5 for me...
@@bobbyfried7478 I guess he was updating the system after a long time and he had 1500+ packages installed. I was talking about Matt's experience at 7:44
I did tests of pacman, xbps and apt in the VM, both were almost twice faster than apt, and dnf/zypper are even slower than apt, so 30-40 minutes sounds possible on big updates.
@@JamesSmith-ix5jd void = s tier
I enjoyed this. Absolutely hilarious. Hard to take it too serious when the criteria was amendable in application. A tiered distro list is pretty much impossible.
I have spent very little time messing with init systems. Did removing systemd provide any upstream value in abstracting things that would otherwise have remained hard-coded to systemd? If so, then said "protest distro" could have some utilitarian purpose. And possibly having a distro dedicated to that decision could be more useful than just having an unpopular config option in a different distro.
FYI almost none of our tools have anything to do with systemd. in fact, we go out of our way to make sure that systemd and sysVinit are supported.
One of the coolest things about linux is casually running into devs on RUclips and reddit comments lol
Manjaro is getting so much hate from every corner and it's true that the Manjaro team have messed up several times, but from my perspective, the fact remains that Manjaro has just been the slickest, most polished and most stable experience I've had with any Arch-based distro. Sure, in theory AUR packages can break stuff due by holding back packages from the Arch repos, but in practice it's never happened to me. Maybe that's just my good (or bad) luck, but when it comes down to it my own experience is what matters most to me. So, Manjaro's an A-tier for me, personally. MX also deserves to go higher. It's super stable and it's a better first distro than Mint these days. As such, it should be higher than Mint in my opinion. I haven't used Cinnamon in a few years, but last time I did it felt like the mission statement was to make the most boring and characterless desktop environment imaginable. Mint's main advantage as a first distro now could be that after a few months, it's likely to bore new Linux users into trying something more interesting. Anyway, currently using Nobara on my desktop and Manjaro on my laptop, and seriously thinking about having a play around with NixOS.
Fedora is solid as a rock. And it´s pushing Linux forward. Clearly an S-tier.
I agree
Agreed, I was on Debian and extremely happy with it but then I had to upgrade my graphics card and to make Debian work I'd have to completely deconstruct everything that makes it good. I switched to Fedora and I've been very happy with it
The corporate considerations behind it might have indirectly pulled down the ranking. No matter how removed Fedora is from RHEL, the connection still exists and people are not liking Red Hat a lot right now.
I still use Fedora though, although should it come to a spring cleaning reinstall, I am planning on checking out Nobara.
Nobara is a great distro but in the end it's also based on Fedora with some useful tweaks. @@lamename2010
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Pumped for this one! :) Keep up the great work.
Pop_OS didnt work out of the box for me on an Acer / Intel laptop. Touch pad was very glitchy and unusable.
Put Cinnamon Mint in S and Deepin in F, and I'm happy.
These days I use Void. And I strongly disagree that it's just a "protest distro", it's simply a distro that follows proper engineering principles better than most. Avoiding systemd is just one of the inevitable consequences of following those engineering principles, because systemd doesn't.
Void is widely considered to be the most UNIX-like Linux, and that can only be a good thing as far as I'm concerned. If Void didn't exist, it's quite likely I would actually just switch to OpenBSD or FreeBSD, at least for a significant portion of what I do.
For me Void is an "S" tier.
@@zfekete74 Absolutely. I'd agree with Matt that Gentoo is too, if you have the time and skill.
Tyler, thank you very much for the wiki you wrote. I hope that copilot, openai, google bard .... will read it.
Slackware is one of the original distros. Many distros have their roots from Slackware. Though, I think Slackware should have been C tier. Slackware, Debian and Red Hat are the 3 main distributions. Just about every Linux distro is based on those 3. The order is Slackware ( Jul 1993), Debian (Sep 1993), then Red Hat (May 1995).
Maybe I missed it, but before ranking distros or anything for that matter, the criteria or metrics need to be established. As much as I enjoyed this show, it seemed that the ranking system was made up as they went along. These guys got plenty right though. Just came off of Opensuse. I'm currently running Endeavour OS, but MX Tools is YAST without all of the redundancy. Also MX recognized my Brother printer immediately.
Linux mint will always be my number 1.
Out of all the tier lists, this is the most pointless one.
It is the view of 2 Linux nerds or hobbyists. Gentoo on S? It is definitely not helping to spread Linux to the users. NixOS and ArcoLinx in A? No normal user or business would use it. I think with ArcoLinux you are mixing up the distro itself with great work of Erik.
Guys, please first set up the criteria for ranking. E.g. example Titus made an excellent tier list (and I only partially agree with him). But his criteria are clear. E.g. he prefers community-based distros, and the original ones - not the derivatives. One can agree or disagree, but his view on the distros is very clear and from his view the ranking is logical.
I think that some distros just shout very loud. It does not mean, they are good.
Even I understand Arch and I used it for a while, there are too many updates. So, no daily driver. NixOS is so far away from adhering to Linux standard, that it ruins all the efforts to harmonize Linux. Nevertheless an interesting concept.
You can argue about the list on distrowatch. But it reflects the hit ranking - also in the long term. Not the worst critera.
At least Debian is commonly accepted.
So Matt, I watched a lot of your videos, but I am a bit disappointed. Please set up first the criteria for ranking the distros.
Personally I prefer the view from the point of an end user, wanting to replace Windows or MacOS. I.e., install the Linux distro and forget about it. Just use it.
I can also understand different views (e.g. special distros, distros for servers, distros for learning, ...), just make it clear.
After all, it is only my opinion.
What so you think of Cachy OS?
I switched from PopOS to MX and don't regret.
don't be ashamed MX is number 1 on distrowatch for a reason. the tools alone make it a winner in my book. i'll stay on mint for now though really want to dig into void more i could see me rocking that one on a daily basis. the package manager is a plus also.
Which Distro would you recommend for the greatest variety of FONTS, similar to what Microsoft Windows has?
I’m using Zorin OS Pro on a MacBook Air from 2015. I was running version 16 and just upgraded to 17. I had to paid for the upgrade but 20% off. It was $38.40. I also tweaked it a little bit to look like macOS.
Then I got an iMac from 2011 running POP! OS. That is like the only distro I found that works right out of the box for everything. I just got this iMac about a couple months ago off craigslist for $30. It had a flashing folder on the boot up screen. I opened it up and there’s no hard drive in it so I installed the 500 GB SSD. I use this computer to watch ESPN plus and RUclips. The only thing is that it gets super hot and it freezes my streaming after 30 mins or 2hrs. It varies.
Hi Matt & Tyler,
Thanks for your Video.
I've been laughing aloud quite time!
I love your attitude, knowledge, free without compromised talking, joyfulness...
Can't give opinion about distro Tier cause ain't on your level
Been a pleasure. Thanks again!
10:10 game loading does not disappear, you will be cpu-bound because game data is unpacked during loading, it doesn't matter if you do it in ram, unpacking will be slower than the RAM itself.
Maybe it isn't true for some games which support quick loading, but I think such games only exist on consoles right now.
I agree that Arco is the Arch sweet-spot. I also use Manjaro, the reason that some broken things get pushed through is a lack of bodies. Not every user is going to use the Testing branch as a daily driver. If 1% or less of the users help test....then things will be broken.
Fedora should be A tier. Same with Kinoite. Both solid distros both very user friendly they technically are upstream of RH so in theory they could easily be forked if needed. In terms of freshness they are also as up to date as Arch and Suse
Finally, a good Linux podcast. You guys are a joy to listen to!
In regards to KDE neon, I wpuld say D tier or even F tier is reasonable. Nicco from Nicco loves linux who works on KDE, explicitly recommends not to use it and calls it horrible because of its issues lol
Linux Lite is based on Ubuntu LTS... is quite good to put into old laptop/pc for daily use.
Zorin OS Pro is $48 , and if I'm not mistaken is one time purchase. For me zorin is just ubuntu with different style of UI, and easy to adapt for new user coming to linux.
I always get that mixed up with peppermint, which switched bases, I think.
48$ for zorin os 18 but you'll have to pay again for zorin 19 which sucks
I have been running void in a VM for about two months now the only thing keeping me from making it my daily driver is i want to learn more about it before i commit. i love how light on resources it runs it runs with 450-550 pkgs i don't even see how that's possible. give it a while and void may be the next distro on everyone's lips.
I think Arch should be at least an A distro, all things considered. Yes, the community is toxic af, but there are people who are willing to help, and with scripts like archinstall, more and more noobs are going to use it, meaning noob support naturally is going to be better. Furthermore, Arch is still by far and away the best user of the AUR, which is probably the greatest software repo on the planet. And as you’ve said, Arch spawned other great distros. Another point is that while Arch is not that great for noobs, I’d say that it’s convenience if you know what you’re doing. You get a basic system and then you install the things that you want and pull your own dotfiles and you’re done. It is a great gateway to something more barebones such as Gentoo. Also like it or not, the Arch Wiki along with the Gentoo and Debian handbooks are probably the best documentation of Linux on Earth. As great as Eric is, he is translating the wiki to normal people, much like I imagine a priest reading the Bible to common folks (heavy exaggerations here), but if that’s the case, are you ranking the priest higher than the Bible itself? (Before anyone flame me, Eric is a god for making videos that are so accessible and understandable for normal people).
I initially thought it would be an S tier (for me) but then you mentioned GRUB. Yeah, there’s no defending there. It just breaks. But I also think that it’s in software’s nature to break, breaking means it’s developing, so while GRUB alone would firmly knock Arch out of S tier, it wouldn’t knock Arch down to B for me.
Is there a DIFFERENCE between running Linux on an Apple ( A R.M.), and running it on an X-86 processor?
Omitted completely; Garuda & Rhino. I could excuse Rhino given it's relatively new on the scene but still, it's rolling Ubuntu so it should be on here somewhere. Garuda on the other hand, there's no excuse for omitting it. Yes, it has been my daily driver for the past 7 months or so. For me, it's an A-tier distro. Their unofficial Hyprland edition is fantastic.
We would have been here for six hours to do every Linux distro. Already it was too long.
@@TheLinuxCast Yeah I get that for sure, just sayin' it's a far more polished, supported & developed distro (with several flavors) than many that were included on it. Garuda is a fairly mature & serious distro. That's all I'm sayiing.
I revived my old laptop. First i put Debian gnome on it, but I couldn't get used to working in gnome, so I installed mint, but mint was too slow, ultimately elementary worked great. Applications load up pretty fast, it's a good desktop to use.
So I'm sticking with elementary for now.
Mint should have made it to the A tier at least. It literally saves peoples' souls, freeing them from Win and possibly other bad OS and gives them an open gate to the world of Linux.
It has a solid collection of software to make it a versatile OS for many people, it is stable, well established, well supported. I don't know why you've placed it so low.
(not a Mint user, so no bias)
MX Linux is an A tier distro. Their developers, forum, user support, tools and dedication in general to it's new adoptees ... is awesome! How Mint in any flavor compares as higher ... nah ... just for adopting warpinator alone ... grrr! lol
Was fun to watch. Sad that Nobara wasn't on the list to rank though. Its my first distro and I really enjoy using it.
Arch is awesome but I agree the community is horrendous. I see why it's tough to rate.
Is there CachyOS in here?
I find it funny it's classified as a "protest distro" even though MX Linux is quite successful without SystemD.
I moved from Windows like 2 months ago. Tried the most used distros. OpenSUSE Tumbleweek use recent kernel and pretty easy for new linux user. Tried Ubuntu 2-3 in the past 5 years and could not leave windows with this distro. I didn't knew better distro at this time. Now OpenSUSE! Nvidia 550 soon to fix wayland, KDE Plasma 6 soon, gaming way better. It's now the time to switch to open source for Windows user. At least try it. IMO: KDE for windows user. Gnome for IOS/android kind experience.
Matt: you mentioned in one of your videos that you have a very good computer: what hardware exactly do you have?
So Linux From Scratch is like the punch line of the old joke. "Dear Grandmother, thank you for the book. It tells me more than I want to know about penguins."
I'm the only person you'll hear utter this sentence: My mint experience was signifcantly less enjoyable than my Ubuntu one.
On DAY ONE,i installed LMMS and the system made itself read only. As my first linux experience i had no idea what that meant and procceded to reinstall the OS,and the system making itself read only randomly was a common experience for me,happening as often as once a week,eventually i learned how to get out of it by running fsck in the grub boot but it was still an annoyance.And with XFCE mint the system basically ended up in a state where there were 3 fucking kernels it was choosing from ,and i dont know if i did anything that unusual.
Zyper isn't slow. Most original repo servers are located in germany. You are in US now - get that map. Im in Poland German servers are bit slower then Polish ones yet they are way more stable / up to date, especialy when it comes to / boils down to tubleweed ones.
Why go with the distributions that are based on some precursor - why not use the ONES BASED ON? (like: Arch, Debian, Red Hat, Suse?)
Features, software, community, lotsa reasons
Haha this is a total mess. Did you really think you and Tyler were gonna rank all the distros you've barely even heard of let alone used. But funny though. 😂 Hey, tier lists get all the comments and clicks. I respect the hustle.
I've used every distro we ranked so I don't know what you're on about
@@TheLinuxCastYeah, come to think of it, you corrected Tyler's mistakes. I think the impression I got was mostly from his comments. Like saying that KDE Neon is a great distro and deserves A or B tier. 😂
P.S. One of the things the makers of Nix OS did not properly consider is - its NAME! You could think that you want to NIX it - after only one use!
LFS is not a distribution. Its a paper for thosw that will learn how linux works. For me as a lecturer, I use the documentation from LFS as a source for training for my students
I don't understand this argument about AUR in manjaro - just wait a little bit with updating packages form AUR.
From personal experience, I use manjaro few years (around 5) and I've occurrence only few issues. Community is big, so it's a good start for someone who wants to try a arch based distro.
@user-hv9sg5pl8b it's not a distro for newbies
@user-hv9sg5pl8b thats the linux community in general to be fair.
Everyone has an opinion, but Lite got railroaded too low. The initial B tier recommendation was accurate. Coming from Windows and sticking a pinky toe into the Linux pool was awesome on Lite. I've moved on, but it's awesome for new user folks and old hardware.
Years ago I used Debian and I've recently switched back. I'm surprised at how little customization I had to do to get my system configured the way I like it. Far less than Ubuntu. (removing snaps, etc)
+1 for libby. I use it all the time. They also do audiobooks if you're into that.
S-tiers: Slackware, Debian, Fedora & OpenSuSE, IMO.
What do I use?
Solus.
.
KDE neon has a user edition.
Linux From Scratch is awesome for the purpose they've created: education. No other distro lets you dig into so deep how a linux OS is built. So, that is an "S", definitely. :)
This was an excellent High Level very comprehensive - overview of Linux ISO distros. I just wish I could understand or work with... Many Ubuntu distros - only post the name Ubuntu into the boot menu - even though it might be Ubuntu "something else". Why don't Distros write a better (more identifiable) name into the Boot Menu.
The problem with Arch is their "community" that puts them in F tier for me, if not below.
It'll never go on any machine of mine no matter what.
You forgot Garuda linux, WTF! Haha.
Now serious: the best distro is a distro perfectly suitable with your workflow. Period!
P.S.
I use arch btw.
Next time do a Distrowatch topx distros, so you rate the most known distros of the month/year/ all time.
Such a shame LFS is so low. No, I'm definitely not a LFS propagandist, not me!
edit: yes i did get steam on lfs, a showcase is on my channel, and even now, im currently streaming building lfs again, and trying to compile wine as well steam. it is indeed possible.
StormOS previous iso I would have ranked b or a it worked well for me and had visual appeal. Current iso is d or f if I can get it installed the desktop causes vertigo 😢
Arch is a S sorry all I can say 😷
Started with Zorin Core two years ago when I saw that it that wasn't ugly. Tried a dozen distros on Ventoy but see no reason to switch. I'm in Chrome 90% of the time and can now do that without Windows bloat, nagging, spying or refusing to install. I use Android so Google is spying on me anyway. At least I get customized news. Pinta is perfect for light photo editing. I run old quad core biz desktops that I get for $60 so older kernels don't bother me. I have no interest in becoming a Linux hobbyist. I believe I have found the best system for normies. The end.
That animated logo has to go.
I tried Linux suse 25 years a go couldn't get anything installed no printer
Tried it last week it's improved but still dint install my printer so much for suse no drag drop on desktop 😢
Top Debian LM Fedora
TLDR. Let me guess. OpenSuse S tier?
Nope.
@@TheLinuxCast and that is a shame.. :)
I honestly don't see any value in arco linux and endeavouros. They are both just Arch with a slower installer and larger ISO.
Love that Debian hit the S tier, great Distro.
Very bad tier list ….pop os better than void linux really ? I mean come on its not only a question of system fucking D or not void is clean and indestructible..in comparison with the Arch gang ..that by itself makes void much higher ..
Very bad recognition of when something is opinion.
@@TheLinuxCast i do recognise opinion i'm just saying that its a pretty bad one ...
Linux Mint and PopOS should always be on the same tier.
Linux lite is based on ubuntu not debian, and i prefer and like linux mint xfce than linux lite
Next, video 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 please. Linux distros for laptops. I dualbooted endeavourOS and since then, I rarely touch windows. But the battery life on Linux is HORRIBLE! Please make that video. (I prefer kde and I also prefer arch based stuff but not arch itself and don't want to use manjaro. Manjaro is ok but battery life is bad) also, I want some solution for Wayland. It has graphical issues.
Specs: Intel pentium silver n6000
Intel jasperlake 32 eu
8gb ram
256gb storage nvme ssd.
Screen 1920x1080
Garuda is arch with kde, used for a few day and it seemed nice but im a newbie in linux stuff.
For debian u can type (sudo apt install power-profiles-daemon) and then write the command (sudo systemctl enable power-profiles-daemon) and then reboot your pc. After that u can click the battery icon on the kde panel and use the slider to switch to power-saver mode. I dont know about arch and arch based distros though.
Neon UE. should be F tier. (used it for a while)
Gentoo S tier, omg :|
I use Archcraft i think its good linux distro for people that want to get into window managers , at least that's how i started. I installed Archcraft and then i installed hyprland on it works great. Yes i know i can do that easier with Nixos , problem last time i tried that not sure what happend after enabling hyprland , i updated nixos config reboot pc and after that i was not able to boot into nixos backups did not worked either.
Generally if something manages to make not just the most recent generations, but _all_ generations unbootable, the problem is usually the filesystem in those cases. Mind if I ask what filesystem you're using and if you did anything to change it recently? Enabling hyprland shouldn't have been enough to brick your system unless the only generations you have left to boot into have it (and even then, it should be possible to cancel loading it to perform recovery work outside of it).
@@angeldude101 I did enabled before this with hyprland , nixos-unstable maybe it has to do something with that. I'm going to try using nixos again , for now I still use Archcraft ,thinking about installing Arch the arch way . About file system on nixos I do not really remember that was few months ago.
I run endevour os on my gaming pc
debian stable with kde for my everyday office pc and on my media pc
fedora kinoite on my laptop
Arco higher than Fedora? Seriously? That is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard. (Edit) now I’ve seen it’s higher than Arch. OK clearly you are trolling
VOID LINUX S TIER
If all your documentation has to say in its "security" section is "you can install app armor", you are not a disribution that takes security seriously, and you are not a serious distribution.
This is gonna be interesting...
Use ZFS and Software Raid is super easy.
Opensuse cant see my roon server so thats an instant delete
no fedora silverblue???
We would have been here for six hours to do every Linux distro. Already it was too long.
@@TheLinuxCasti didnt see the fedora silverblue icon so i thought it wasnt even considered a distro, but i forgot kinoite is basically the same thing.
Why did I sleep instead of watching this stream?
Sleep is for the weak. Watch The Linux Cast.
@@TheLinuxCast when your in your 50's sleep is golden.
Dislike for making mint and arch into B tier.
your intro music is so good. Do you have tabs for it?
I got it on envato, IDK if it's on there anymore
@@TheLinuxCast Thanks, I'll check.
Manjaro doesn't deserve bottom tier because you have an apparent and obvious bias against them. Someone from their company must've hurt your feelings and ever since you've held on to the grudge. It's quite obvious to anyone who studies your comments and videos to know that this is the case.
Nevertheless, Manjaro is still King as far as I'm concerned and is heads above the majority of "joke" distros you mentioned.
You're right, it's our opinion; it's also YOUR opinion as well.
It's really not a good distro. It breaks often, they make horrendous mistakes when it comes to pamac (at least twice that I know of), and the organization is a bit too attached to proprietary software.
But you use what you want to use. This was all opinion and just a bit of fun that people took way too seriously.
@@TheLinuxCast You mean it's not a good distro --- as far as YOU'RE concerned. As far as I AM concerned, it's the best.
Let's not pretend that your subjective opinion is the final word on anything. Spoiler alert: it's not. Neither is mine.
Manjaro does not break ”offten”, hardly ever brreks, AUR is shit to even Arch users and have no counter measures to DDOS attacks falsely blamed to pamac.
he put it in F because it 'breaks easily' but i remember when linus tried to simply install steam on pop! os and it deemed it necessary to uninstall the entire desktop environment, yet they put that in A tier so.. guess it all comes down to personal experience.
to be fair i use manjaro often and i find it ok but i've had my issues, for example kde's useless search indexer baloo decided to write literal terabytes of logs one day until my drive ran out of space and in the end i just ended up disabling it because it can't even handle asian language words anyway
I feel sad for seeing Linux mint at b not a
lost interest at mint, you made arguement why nixOS should be low cuz not many can use it, but then show your ass at mint because you dont like something
Almost as if all this was opinion. 😂
that sure made you reply, lightheaded punk, unsubbed dimwi+ @@TheLinuxCast
get out of your mom's basement or youll get a heartattack very soon lol @@TheLinuxCast
lol looser @@TheLinuxCast
@TheLinuxCast how dare you show your ass 😡
1:35h for a tier list...
My favs together ❤️
@TheLinuxCast your killing me! Linux Mint is an A-teir Distro, B teir at best. They listen to their users and is "Ubuntu with sane defaults"
Linux mint is S in my opinion
Pop OS above Fedora 🤣