My Plover and Stenography Playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLatiIGGUmVcvXHf-uiScllH33-mY_Lc1_ Definitely check it out if you're intrigued and wondering about hardware, theory, and whatnot.
I was thinking of learning steno because I code all day. But then I realized coding is less of typing and more of thinking about the problem, going up and down the page, navigating files, reading documentation etc. I would like to be able to solve problems faster than type faster. With all that said, steno seems to be amazing and anyone who mastered it has my respect.
Thank you for actually showing how to make words other than “cat, sat, pat” like 90% of the other steno videos I’ve seen have done. I understand much better now.
I have not gotten my keyboard yet but I have seen videos from Plover that show the chording as you type out words, so you can learn by practicing and just following along with the images.
oh this is a fantastic video! super informative, well-edited and well-made, and explained perfectly. i was able to understand it as someone who knows literally nothing about stenography (ended up here through a few random google searches). this seems like a really cool skill and i enjoyed learning about it :D i think i'll have to stick with my 80-90 wpm and call it a day though, haha.
Lovely. I'm looking forward to learning steno. I'm stuck at about 110 wpm in Dvorak, and it'd be nice to type at the speed of thought. I'm a few weeks in and its starting to make sense to type in phonetics.
I just recently got started with plover, so I guess that's why youtube sent me here xD But god bless the open steno community, looking back at years of writing custom markup in latex to transcribe my university lectures I would have killed for something like this. Thank you very much for this video, it's incredibly well made and I hope it gets some more attention in the future; 12k views on a video of this quality is almost criminally low.
On QWERTY, I type at 150WPM, but my accuracy is below 95%, and when I mess up, I catch it when I'm a few words ahead, and that causes me to press backspace like 5-15 times depending on the word lengths. It's hyper inefficient, but the way I type is by queuing up each letter in a word with multiple fingers. For my name 'Kevin', when I start, I'll have my right index on K, left ring on E, and left index on V. Once I hit K, I quickly press each queued up letter, and as I'm hitting V, my right hand is already positioned on I and N. In a similar way to Steno, my typing consists of constant combinations, but I can never achieve the accuracy and consistent speed (my speed will decline if a word consists of too many letters in a row being used in the same word, since I can't queue up anything if it's the same finger pressing the key). Wish I knew steno, though and am fascinated by it.
a bit of a late reply but if you have a problem of having to go back multiple words to correct your mistake then you can just hit control delete to delete full words at a time.
@@baretbuckley6489 Yea, or even just ctrl + left key to get behind as many words as you need to, then ctrol + right key or maybe even End once you made your correction
In the past I have learned to write steno by pen and paper. The basic idea is quite similar: writing phonetic with an increasing number of shortcuts as you progress. You've motivated me to try the same on a computer now. In the 21 century it seems more useful to me. 🙂
I do freelance transcription. I'm paid per minute of audio and it's not live, so I can pause. I am a fast typist but still slower than the speech I record. If I could get up to roughly 1:1 speed (so it took me about an hour to transcribe a one hour file) that would definitely increase my effective hourly wage. I would also benefit from the ergonomic factor. I might get one of these steno machines and get learning....!
Thanks for putting this series together. I just found out about this project and your channel contains a lot of helpful information for beginners. Keep it up!
@@AerickSteno Thanks! I am in the process of updating a few of them, while trying to find a more responsive template to use so Google won't whine about how non-responsive Cheap and Sleazy is!
Got myself a keyboard on order, I look forward to learning Steno. My current typing speed is around 60 wpm but I have more errors than I'd like. I am sure if I never made any errors I'd be over 80 wpm. I am hoping that within 3-4 months I can get over 100 wpm
Seeing the chart you provided about the length of time it took people to surpass their QWERTY or other variant of 1-letter-input typing and hearing your experience about how it took you 6 months to reach 150 WPM at 1 hour a day, I was surprised to hear that you said it took Ted Morin an additional 16 months to use STENO for coding. I'm intrigued by why this took so long. I might reach out and ask.
I think mainly it is because using steno for coding requires you to create your own dictionaries that have your own code-related symbols and such. Ted also took a little longer to reach the speed that I have reached. And note that I spent an hour or two every day, but that's just a rough average. Some days I wouldn't practise at all, and others I might have practised for several hours. You can always reach out and ask Ted on Discord. imgur.com/4zrp0f7.png
Hey, nice video! I feel like you brushed over some core vocabulary a bit too quickly (someone who is new to steno won't know what a "stroke" is, for instance), but I can still follow along and enjoy the production value. I hope to start practicing steno again soon...
Hey, I know you! Thanks for the comment! In retrospect, this video was a little rushed and if I was doing it again, I'd definitely include some other aspects. I remember when I was scripting the video, there were a bunch of other things I wanted to include, but it was tricky finding a balance between keeping the video around ten minutes and making sure it was thorough enough. Overall, I think it does an adequate job of explaining steno to someone completely new. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for the feedback! Good luck with your practice.
Awesome video! It just got recommended to me and I've been inspired to try and learn stenography. I've already been inspired to learn colemak and I loved it. I already have a NKRO-keyboard but I was wondering what's the best keycap profile for stenography. I was thinking DSA because all at the keycaps are the same height. Let me know your thoughts, thanks!
I'm not too familiar with key caps and custom keyboards, but flat key caps do sound better for chording in addition to smaller caps. For example, on an ortholinear keyboard, many have recommended F10s and G20s, but I'm not sure if that would be applicable for your keyboard.
Spanish is probably the most developed system at this point. There is one person working on a French theory but it's not really usable at the moment. There is also German palantype (similar to steno but uses more keys) and a German steno system but I'm not too sure about its usability since the creator of it doesn't seem to talk about it much. You can find them on this page: github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Steno-Layouts-&-Supported-Languages
Yes of course! Here is a list of supported hobbyist machines: github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Supported-Hardware It includes links to the machines I showed in the video (Georgi, TinyMod, and Splitography). Here is a list for learning resources to get you started with Plover: github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Learning-Stenography I wish you the best in learning stenography.
Maybe this works for anglophones but I speak 4 languages and I don’t feel like learning a new layout + chords for all of them. And my QWERTZ speed is at 150+. I don’t think this is something that will ever be useful to multilingual people.
There are alternatives such as velotype which works for multiple languages (it's completely orthographic, so based on spelling), but I agree that for someone who might have to write in 4 different languages all the time, steno is not very useful. I do actually use steno for another language other than English (Vietnamese) and it works pretty well. I don't type particularly fast, though, as I didn't design the system very well (and I haven't been practising it much) but it's much more enjoyable and ergonomic than trying to write Vietnamese on a regular keyboard. To say it's not useful for multilingual people is not totally true, there are a few of us on the Plover Discord server using it for multiple languages just fine, and there are also a few actively developing their own systems for other languages.
If you're absolutely certain that you want to learn steno, you could have a look at one of these machines (github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Supported-Hardware). Unfortunately, many of them are sold out at the moment. Otherwise if you don't want to spend a lot on a hobbyist steno board, you can use any NKRO keyboard. It'll be a little uncomfortable, but they're a lot cheaper and you'll get a sense of whether or not steno really is something you want to learn. I would really recommend not learning on a keyboard that doesn't have NKRO, as that'll be very frustrating and you'll be in for a bad time.
Hey I was wondering where you can buy a steno keyboard and what your cheapest options are Having a chronic pain disorder and typing alot everyday it sounds like steno could be a blessing, but I can't spend a lot of money on smth to just try it out
You can find a full list of hobbyist machines here: github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Supported-Hardware You definitely want something with light springs if you're having wrist pain which would be the Georgi, Ecosteno, or TinyMod (if you ask for the 20 gram variant). Unfortunately, the Ecosteno is out of stock currently, and the person making the Georgis is going through a very hard time right now with an enormous backlog. If you order it now, you're looking at a delivery time of about 6 months. So really, your only option right now for hardware with light springs would the TinyMod (with the lighter springs that's $200 dollars before shipping). However, if you're fine with slightly more DIY options, you could also buy a Planck ortholinear keyboard (which goes for about $80 on mass drop). Switches and key caps will be about another $20 to $30, and there's no soldering required. You could also buy a Splitography and swap the springs which I cover in this video: ruclips.net/video/4Bvstj6xh5w/видео.html. Normally I'd recommend starting off with an NKRO keyboard since those go for about $30 on Amazon. If you find out that steno is not for you, you won't have spent a lot of money and you can still use that keyboard for regular typing. However, cheap mechanical keyboards have really heavy switches so it won't do you any better for wrist pain. Hope this helps!
@@AerickSteno you are a blessing thank you so much I'll have a big think today about that Luckily Christmas is coming up xD Hope you're having a fantastic day and weekend Edit I just talked to my dad about it (he's 71) And he had steno in school, and absolutely hated it Now turns out back then steno must've been vastly different from how it's done nowadays and idk if that interests you as much as it interests me, but I thought I'd share in case you've also never thought about that (With vastly different I mean a whole written language of it's own you'd write with a pen and paper)
@@littleloner1159 That sounds a lot like pen stenography (more commonly called pen shorthand nowadays), which was indeed what steno used to be until machine stenography. I've looked at in the past, and honestly, it's not something I'm interested in either! It's so cool to see how steno has evolved in the century. Stan talks a little about pen shorthand in his video: ruclips.net/video/62l64Acfidc/видео.html
I talk a lot more about hardware in this video: ruclips.net/video/WxK4AjdKIwU/видео.html You can find links to the keyboards I discuss in the description.
That steno keyboard is a Georgi which you can get here: www.gboards.ca/ I've also wrote about the tripod mount here if you're interested: www.erikto.com/tech/georgi-stand/
Speech recognition is also less accurate. It can't easily deal with proper nouns and accents (adding a word to a steno dictionary or just fingerspelling is really easy). It also isn't context aware, so if I mention a word that sounds similar to another word, it couldn't tell based on context which one is correct, and only relies on what it hears. What it thinks it hears isn't always the same as what is actually spoken. Also, I couldn't imagine backspacing all the time because I tend to write a sentence and then delete the whole thing five seconds later. I think trying to speak out my thoughts would get in the way for me, personally. But, prove me wrong! I'd love to see if speech recognition is capable of replacing certain everyday typing tasks.
@@AerickSteno I do occasionally use speech recognition for texting when I'm on my own. Modern algorithms try to use some grammar knowledge to make better guesses as to what you actually said, but this occasionally backfires on, say, uncommon words. Also, while there is punctuation, Google voice typing doesn't have an equivalent to KPA (which is more common in a chatting context) nor backspacing.
@@parnikkapore Oh that's really interesting. I had no idea they could be aware of grammar. With that said, I don't think I would ever use voice recognition since I'd probably end up enunciating and pronouncing my words clearly and concisely. Of course, I do have a bias since I'm fairly familiar with steno already and voice typing definitely makes a lot more sense on your phone.
I wonder if machine stenography wasn’t invented yet, you’d be here making RUclips videos about pen stenography (ie. shorthand), which uses the same theory and briefs. In my STEM uni notes, I wrote common words and briefs in pen stenography (eg. The, there are, of the, in the, in to, in a) alongside the rest in regular longhand writing (with common suffixes written in one stroke shorthand: -ing and -tion). (Good thing nobody ever needed my notes.) I never got through learning everything. Time was a major issue. It takes me more effort to learn to accurately draw connected weird squiggles (and associate phonetic sounds to them) than to learn the positions of keys. Now that machine stenography is more accessible, I’ll give it a try.
Unfortunately my choice of words wasn't very precise for this simplification so I apologize. But one thing I can't really get across in a video attempting to explain steno is that it's not entirely as systematic as it may seem. Because steno uses dictionaries, we could potentially have arbitrary definitions for arbitrary words; even if they contradict with other basic principles. So while HR normally represents an initial L sound, it doesn't have to 100% of the time. Personally, I would define HREUF/TPHEU/KWRA (hryv-ni-a) for the example you have provided, but others might do differently. When we bend these rules slightly, what's important is ensuring that any new definitions don't conflict with any preexisting ones. If HREUF/TPHEU/KWRA was already in my dictionary for some other translation, there are others techniques I could use to work around this. Some examples I can think of off the top of my head are H/REUF/TPHEU/KWRA, HR*EUF/TPHEU/KWRA, HREUF/TPHA, etc. When I mentioned that there aren't any words beginning with HR, I was talking about English steno. Any steno theory is always designed with a specific language in mind (or sometimes a group of languages). A steno theory that fits all languages is impossible. As a result, foreign words are going to be a little bit tricky. This is when we might have to break rules or deviate from our original steno theory. Every stenographer does these things differently and sometimes they just have to make it work!
@@AerickSteno Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. Not only are your videos entertaining, but your response to my question was separated into clean chunks of essential information. I'll be looking forward to your future videos, since it seems any topic you choose to touch will be explored in a concise detailed way
How do you mean? It's completely separate to writing on paper and doesn't impact it at all. It's a bit like saying "does learning to drive a car hinder your ability to ride a bike?"
Compared to typing on a regular keyboard, your fingers move a lot less. It'd be hard to give an accurate answer without knowing how long your fingers are, but maybe you can get a sense of how much your fingers would actually move on some other videos such as this one: ruclips.net/video/WxK4AjdKIwU/видео.html And on some keyboards such as the Splitography, the thumb keys aren't very far so that might be helpful as well. Here is a clip of me using it: ruclips.net/video/4Bvstj6xh5w/видео.html If you can place your fingers on the home row of a QWERTY keyboard and move your them up one row without moving your hands entirely, I think you'll be fine.
Most people surpass their typing speed within 6 months, and personally in that time I was able to get up to about 160 WPM. But it only took me about 3 months to get comfortable with steno at a speed of about 70 WPM.
That symbol system sucks, their should just a shift key that changes the mode of the keyboard into left side symbols and right size numbers. The shift is on both sides
You can definitely add a symbols layer and a shift key with QMK (the Georgi has that, for example). I agree that defining entries for every single symbol is a painful experience, but there are ways to do this automatically and systematically, such as what Emily has already done in her symbols dictoinary: github.com/EPLHREU/emily-symbols . It's really easy to control spacing, repetition, next work capitalisation, and it gives you way more symbols than you can fit on a regular standard QWERTY keybaord. I do regret not including her dictionary in this video, but she made it several months after I published this video.
The goal of steno is not to be able to write any arbitrary string of characters, but instead to compress and encode a language on a layout that makes it much faster than typing each letter individually. That said, there is a fallback for entering letters one by one. Personally, I would do just that and "kat" in three strokes (called fingerspelling). However if you write the word often enough, there are different ways of disambiguating between different words. One common way of disambiguating between words is including the asterisk key in the outline. It can also be used in other cases-for example, I use it to differentiate "doc" and "dock".
I guess, learning steno is similar to learning keyboard or any other instrument. By training, the combinations have to become automatisms. At some point you only think what to type and not how to do it anymore. Btw.: All of those activities are great trainings for the brain and (in case of instruments) have shown to delay even Alzheimer's disease.
That's exactly how I feel about steno! I never think about how each word is written anymore, it just comes naturally. I also love the analogy of learning a musical instrument as someone who has played flute, saxophone, and clarinet over the years!
My Plover and Stenography Playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLatiIGGUmVcvXHf-uiScllH33-mY_Lc1_
Definitely check it out if you're intrigued and wondering about hardware, theory, and whatnot.
I will definitely check this out when I get my keyboard! I already have Plover installed.
I was thinking of learning steno because I code all day. But then I realized coding is less of typing and more of thinking about the problem, going up and down the page, navigating files, reading documentation etc. I would like to be able to solve problems faster than type faster. With all that said, steno seems to be amazing and anyone who mastered it has my respect.
Yeah, I am pretty sure stego is not the best for programming, it's not like you spent a lot of time on the keyboard itself anyways...
if you don't type your program in a single go without stopping you're not a real programmer. Get gud noob. /s
@@tiberiu_nicolae Shows how much you know about programming. Get promoted noob.
@@racecarjonny8460 that flew way over your head
look up vim or vim movement in your favourite IDE. great for navigation and typing
Thank you for actually showing how to make words other than “cat, sat, pat” like 90% of the other steno videos I’ve seen have done. I understand much better now.
I have not gotten my keyboard yet but I have seen videos from Plover that show the chording as you type out words, so you can learn by practicing and just following along with the images.
This video is of exceptional quality, thank you very much!
I discovered steno typing for the first time today. This video is made amazingly well
Did you end up learning it?
@@corneliusnowicki5363 no. I don’t have a use case for it. I was more interested in how steno works
5:09 I wouldn't be surprised if Aerick has every copypasta in his dictionary... as single-stroke briefs 🤣
oh this is a fantastic video! super informative, well-edited and well-made, and explained perfectly. i was able to understand it as someone who knows literally nothing about stenography (ended up here through a few random google searches). this seems like a really cool skill and i enjoyed learning about it :D i think i'll have to stick with my 80-90 wpm and call it a day though, haha.
Lovely. I'm looking forward to learning steno. I'm stuck at about 110 wpm in Dvorak, and it'd be nice to type at the speed of thought.
I'm a few weeks in and its starting to make sense to type in phonetics.
I just recently got started with plover, so I guess that's why youtube sent me here xD But god bless the open steno community, looking back at years of writing custom markup in latex to transcribe my university lectures I would have killed for something like this.
Thank you very much for this video, it's incredibly well made and I hope it gets some more attention in the future; 12k views on a video of this quality is almost criminally low.
This needs more views and more subscribers. You've explained it really good
On QWERTY, I type at 150WPM, but my accuracy is below 95%, and when I mess up, I catch it when I'm a few words ahead, and that causes me to press backspace like 5-15 times depending on the word lengths. It's hyper inefficient, but the way I type is by queuing up each letter in a word with multiple fingers.
For my name 'Kevin', when I start, I'll have my right index on K, left ring on E, and left index on V. Once I hit K, I quickly press each queued up letter, and as I'm hitting V, my right hand is already positioned on I and N.
In a similar way to Steno, my typing consists of constant combinations, but I can never achieve the accuracy and consistent speed (my speed will decline if a word consists of too many letters in a row being used in the same word, since I can't queue up anything if it's the same finger pressing the key).
Wish I knew steno, though and am fascinated by it.
a bit of a late reply but if you have a problem of having to go back multiple words to correct your mistake then you can just hit control delete to delete full words at a time.
@@baretbuckley6489 Yea, or even just ctrl + left key to get behind as many words as you need to, then ctrol + right key or maybe even End once you made your correction
I am a stenographer from India, using pitmanshorthand methods to write English and transcribed from stenography by qwert keyboard.
In the past I have learned to write steno by pen and paper. The basic idea is quite similar: writing phonetic with an increasing number of shortcuts as you progress.
You've motivated me to try the same on a computer now. In the 21 century it seems more useful to me. 🙂
Yep, pen shorthand shares many of the same concepts with machine steno. Good luck to you on your machine steno journey!
I do freelance transcription. I'm paid per minute of audio and it's not live, so I can pause. I am a fast typist but still slower than the speech I record. If I could get up to roughly 1:1 speed (so it took me about an hour to transcribe a one hour file) that would definitely increase my effective hourly wage. I would also benefit from the ergonomic factor. I might get one of these steno machines and get learning....!
You can build one for ~50 bucks. BB Steno is a good one
Did you ever end up doing it?
@@ShawnFumo no I bought an ecosteno, never tried it, and sold it
What company is it? Rev?
Very informative!👍👍
Thanks for putting this series together. I just found out about this project and your channel contains a lot of helpful information for beginners. Keep it up!
just superb i was not even aware such a thing existed.
Gonna be honest, steno is too much commitment for me, but you did convince me to learn how to properly touch type
damn, you got me hooked up on the youtube comments part :) I've installed plover and created a steno layout on my ergodox ez
Amazing video! Thank you.
Gr8 vid! Just keep us all updated.
Nicely done! (Y)
Hah , that's great! I really enjoy your articles, by the way.
@@AerickSteno Thanks! I am in the process of updating a few of them, while trying to find a more responsive template to use so Google won't whine about how non-responsive Cheap and Sleazy is!
@@glenwarner162 Sounds awesome!
Fantastic video. So informative and well done. Very professional. Thank you
I like your thinkpad! I've got the thinkpad T520 from like a decade ago. (I also use arch by the way ;) )
Great job!
I'm not sure I'll ever pick up steno in my life, but now at least I finally understand it!
very informative! thank you for your very detailed explanation. :)
Got myself a keyboard on order, I look forward to learning Steno. My current typing speed is around 60 wpm but I have more errors than I'd like. I am sure if I never made any errors I'd be over 80 wpm. I am hoping that within 3-4 months I can get over 100 wpm
Fascinating subject! I learnt morse code, but could never do steno!
Ahhh well :0 I am actually interested in buying one so I can learn over the summer! Let us know when the uni v3 is released to the public!
Thank you for this very informative video!
Seeing the chart you provided about the length of time it took people to surpass their QWERTY or other variant of 1-letter-input typing and hearing your experience about how it took you 6 months to reach 150 WPM at 1 hour a day, I was surprised to hear that you said it took Ted Morin an additional 16 months to use STENO for coding. I'm intrigued by why this took so long. I might reach out and ask.
I think mainly it is because using steno for coding requires you to create your own dictionaries that have your own code-related symbols and such. Ted also took a little longer to reach the speed that I have reached. And note that I spent an hour or two every day, but that's just a rough average. Some days I wouldn't practise at all, and others I might have practised for several hours. You can always reach out and ask Ted on Discord. imgur.com/4zrp0f7.png
@@AerickSteno Yes, I'm hoping to reach out to him at some point. I'm assuming he has an optimized dictionary for symbols and code briefs.
Great job at explaining this.
Well thanks for that!
Hey, nice video! I feel like you brushed over some core vocabulary a bit too quickly (someone who is new to steno won't know what a "stroke" is, for instance), but I can still follow along and enjoy the production value. I hope to start practicing steno again soon...
Hey, I know you! Thanks for the comment! In retrospect, this video was a little rushed and if I was doing it again, I'd definitely include some other aspects. I remember when I was scripting the video, there were a bunch of other things I wanted to include, but it was tricky finding a balance between keeping the video around ten minutes and making sure it was thorough enough. Overall, I think it does an adequate job of explaining steno to someone completely new. I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for the feedback! Good luck with your practice.
Nice video, good information
How did I possibly get here. This is awesome.
I have this thing on my to-do list. Can you please help me telling about n-key rollover keyboards!
Awesome video! It just got recommended to me and I've been inspired to try and learn stenography. I've already been inspired to learn colemak and I loved it. I already have a NKRO-keyboard but I was wondering what's the best keycap profile for stenography. I was thinking DSA because all at the keycaps are the same height. Let me know your thoughts, thanks!
I'm not too familiar with key caps and custom keyboards, but flat key caps do sound better for chording in addition to smaller caps. For example, on an ortholinear keyboard, many have recommended F10s and G20s, but I'm not sure if that would be applicable for your keyboard.
*Adds Reimu*
Ahh so you are a man of culture as well
I saw you put covid in your user.json. That's funny.
Plz Sir, can I use plover for another language such as Spanisch, French or German etc. ?? Tks.
Spanish is probably the most developed system at this point. There is one person working on a French theory but it's not really usable at the moment. There is also German palantype (similar to steno but uses more keys) and a German steno system but I'm not too sure about its usability since the creator of it doesn't seem to talk about it much.
You can find them on this page: github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Steno-Layouts-&-Supported-Languages
could it be possible to connect it to the circle of fifths and then play sentences as music?
I subscribed because of this video 👍
How is it switching from a QWERTY keyboard to a steno machine? Do you get messed up or do you get used to switching easily.
It's very easy. Steno doesn't mess with your QWERTY muscle memory at all (unlike learning Colemak or Dvorak).
That's wild, man.
Could you please detail the,"inexpensive" material please!
Yes of course! Here is a list of supported hobbyist machines: github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Supported-Hardware
It includes links to the machines I showed in the video (Georgi, TinyMod, and Splitography).
Here is a list for learning resources to get you started with Plover: github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Learning-Stenography
I wish you the best in learning stenography.
great vid!
Maybe this works for anglophones but I speak 4 languages and I don’t feel like learning a new layout + chords for all of them. And my QWERTZ speed is at 150+. I don’t think this is something that will ever be useful to multilingual people.
There are alternatives such as velotype which works for multiple languages (it's completely orthographic, so based on spelling), but I agree that for someone who might have to write in 4 different languages all the time, steno is not very useful.
I do actually use steno for another language other than English (Vietnamese) and it works pretty well. I don't type particularly fast, though, as I didn't design the system very well (and I haven't been practising it much) but it's much more enjoyable and ergonomic than trying to write Vietnamese on a regular keyboard.
To say it's not useful for multilingual people is not totally true, there are a few of us on the Plover Discord server using it for multiple languages just fine, and there are also a few actively developing their own systems for other languages.
Felicitaciones, you are a smart guy. #todoinventostv
SHEESH
i have a master's in accounting and the fastest i can type without steno is 128.2wpm
i dont own the hardware or software to do steno right now
Is their a video of someone programming with this you can recommend
How do you deal with symbols
Not that I know of.
I use Emily's symbols dictionary: github.com/EPLHREU/emily-symbols
Does anybody have any recommendations on what to get to start practicing?
If you're absolutely certain that you want to learn steno, you could have a look at one of these machines (github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Supported-Hardware). Unfortunately, many of them are sold out at the moment.
Otherwise if you don't want to spend a lot on a hobbyist steno board, you can use any NKRO keyboard. It'll be a little uncomfortable, but they're a lot cheaper and you'll get a sense of whether or not steno really is something you want to learn.
I would really recommend not learning on a keyboard that doesn't have NKRO, as that'll be very frustrating and you'll be in for a bad time.
Hey I was wondering where you can buy a steno keyboard and what your cheapest options are
Having a chronic pain disorder and typing alot everyday it sounds like steno could be a blessing, but I can't spend a lot of money on smth to just try it out
You can find a full list of hobbyist machines here:
github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Supported-Hardware
You definitely want something with light springs if you're having wrist pain which would be the Georgi, Ecosteno, or TinyMod (if you ask for the 20 gram variant). Unfortunately, the Ecosteno is out of stock currently, and the person making the Georgis is going through a very hard time right now with an enormous backlog. If you order it now, you're looking at a delivery time of about 6 months. So really, your only option right now for hardware with light springs would the TinyMod (with the lighter springs that's $200 dollars before shipping).
However, if you're fine with slightly more DIY options, you could also buy a Planck ortholinear keyboard (which goes for about $80 on mass drop). Switches and key caps will be about another $20 to $30, and there's no soldering required. You could also buy a Splitography and swap the springs which I cover in this video: ruclips.net/video/4Bvstj6xh5w/видео.html.
Normally I'd recommend starting off with an NKRO keyboard since those go for about $30 on Amazon. If you find out that steno is not for you, you won't have spent a lot of money and you can still use that keyboard for regular typing. However, cheap mechanical keyboards have really heavy switches so it won't do you any better for wrist pain.
Hope this helps!
@@AerickSteno you are a blessing thank you so much
I'll have a big think today about that
Luckily Christmas is coming up xD
Hope you're having a fantastic day and weekend
Edit
I just talked to my dad about it (he's 71)
And he had steno in school, and absolutely hated it
Now turns out back then steno must've been vastly different from how it's done nowadays and idk if that interests you as much as it interests me, but I thought I'd share in case you've also never thought about that
(With vastly different I mean a whole written language of it's own you'd write with a pen and paper)
@@littleloner1159 That sounds a lot like pen stenography (more commonly called pen shorthand nowadays), which was indeed what steno used to be until machine stenography. I've looked at in the past, and honestly, it's not something I'm interested in either! It's so cool to see how steno has evolved in the century.
Stan talks a little about pen shorthand in his video: ruclips.net/video/62l64Acfidc/видео.html
@@AerickSteno thanks alot for the video
From what my dad said it must've been absolutely horrible xD
Jak to jest być Skrybą?
👍Please let me know where i can buy the key board you are using in this video?✌
I talk a lot more about hardware in this video: ruclips.net/video/WxK4AjdKIwU/видео.html
You can find links to the keyboards I discuss in the description.
Imagine finishing a 1k words essay in 6 minutes
Wait... how did you get that dark mode in LibreOffice writer?
Tools > Options > Application Colours > Document Background. Change that to black, and that should be it.
@@AerickSteno Thanks :D
Hello aerick.! Nice video.
Small queston, where can i buy that keyboard (or the thing you are chording on if it is not called keyboard)?
That steno keyboard is a Georgi which you can get here: www.gboards.ca/
I've also wrote about the tripod mount here if you're interested: www.erikto.com/tech/georgi-stand/
@@AerickSteno Thanks man that was a really fast reply!! 👌
Windows has inbuilt speech recognition. Speech recognition may be faster then steno and the learning curve is much smaller.
Speech recognition is also less accurate. It can't easily deal with proper nouns and accents (adding a word to a steno dictionary or just fingerspelling is really easy). It also isn't context aware, so if I mention a word that sounds similar to another word, it couldn't tell based on context which one is correct, and only relies on what it hears. What it thinks it hears isn't always the same as what is actually spoken. Also, I couldn't imagine backspacing all the time because I tend to write a sentence and then delete the whole thing five seconds later. I think trying to speak out my thoughts would get in the way for me, personally. But, prove me wrong! I'd love to see if speech recognition is capable of replacing certain everyday typing tasks.
@@AerickSteno I do occasionally use speech recognition for texting when I'm on my own. Modern algorithms try to use some grammar knowledge to make better guesses as to what you actually said, but this occasionally backfires on, say, uncommon words. Also, while there is punctuation, Google voice typing doesn't have an equivalent to KPA (which is more common in a chatting context) nor backspacing.
@@parnikkapore Oh that's really interesting. I had no idea they could be aware of grammar. With that said, I don't think I would ever use voice recognition since I'd probably end up enunciating and pronouncing my words clearly and concisely. Of course, I do have a bias since I'm fairly familiar with steno already and voice typing definitely makes a lot more sense on your phone.
I wonder if machine stenography wasn’t invented yet, you’d be here making RUclips videos about pen stenography (ie. shorthand), which uses the same theory and briefs. In my STEM uni notes, I wrote common words and briefs in pen stenography (eg. The, there are, of the, in the, in to, in a) alongside the rest in regular longhand writing (with common suffixes written in one stroke shorthand: -ing and -tion). (Good thing nobody ever needed my notes.) I never got through learning everything. Time was a major issue. It takes me more effort to learn to accurately draw connected weird squiggles (and associate phonetic sounds to them) than to learn the positions of keys.
Now that machine stenography is more accessible, I’ll give it a try.
I recon you could get much faster using pen steno if you use one pen in each hand at the same time.
get that stenography man
My buddy victor could type at just over 200 wpm in 9th grade I never knew he was so special lol
"There are no words that start with HR" What if someone is quoting what someone said in a court case, and they use the word hryvnia?
Unfortunately my choice of words wasn't very precise for this simplification so I apologize. But one thing I can't really get across in a video attempting to explain steno is that it's not entirely as systematic as it may seem. Because steno uses dictionaries, we could potentially have arbitrary definitions for arbitrary words; even if they contradict with other basic principles. So while HR normally represents an initial L sound, it doesn't have to 100% of the time. Personally, I would define HREUF/TPHEU/KWRA (hryv-ni-a) for the example you have provided, but others might do differently. When we bend these rules slightly, what's important is ensuring that any new definitions don't conflict with any preexisting ones. If HREUF/TPHEU/KWRA was already in my dictionary for some other translation, there are others techniques I could use to work around this. Some examples I can think of off the top of my head are H/REUF/TPHEU/KWRA, HR*EUF/TPHEU/KWRA, HREUF/TPHA, etc.
When I mentioned that there aren't any words beginning with HR, I was talking about English steno. Any steno theory is always designed with a specific language in mind (or sometimes a group of languages). A steno theory that fits all languages is impossible. As a result, foreign words are going to be a little bit tricky. This is when we might have to break rules or deviate from our original steno theory. Every stenographer does these things differently and sometimes they just have to make it work!
@@AerickSteno Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. Not only are your videos entertaining, but your response to my question was separated into clean chunks of essential information.
I'll be looking forward to your future videos, since it seems any topic you choose to touch will be explored in a concise detailed way
Does it make your hand writing on paper harder🤔🤔🤔
How do you mean? It's completely separate to writing on paper and doesn't impact it at all. It's a bit like saying "does learning to drive a car hinder your ability to ride a bike?"
Can a person with a hand disability learn this? my fingers are shorter than normal
Compared to typing on a regular keyboard, your fingers move a lot less. It'd be hard to give an accurate answer without knowing how long your fingers are, but maybe you can get a sense of how much your fingers would actually move on some other videos such as this one: ruclips.net/video/WxK4AjdKIwU/видео.html
And on some keyboards such as the Splitography, the thumb keys aren't very far so that might be helpful as well. Here is a clip of me using it: ruclips.net/video/4Bvstj6xh5w/видео.html
If you can place your fingers on the home row of a QWERTY keyboard and move your them up one row without moving your hands entirely, I think you'll be fine.
I average about 140 wpm with normal qwerty so I prob won't ever get around to steno... but it'd be a cool skill to flex lol
I see that you play Touhou Project :D
How long would it take to learn steno?
Most people surpass their typing speed within 6 months, and personally in that time I was able to get up to about 160 WPM. But it only took me about 3 months to get comfortable with steno at a speed of about 70 WPM.
@@AerickSteno thank you, I just won an argument 😂😂
That symbol system sucks, their should just a shift key that changes the mode of the keyboard into left side symbols and right size numbers. The shift is on both sides
You can definitely add a symbols layer and a shift key with QMK (the Georgi has that, for example).
I agree that defining entries for every single symbol is a painful experience, but there are ways to do this automatically and systematically, such as what Emily has already done in her symbols dictoinary: github.com/EPLHREU/emily-symbols .
It's really easy to control spacing, repetition, next work capitalisation, and it gives you way more symbols than you can fit on a regular standard QWERTY keybaord.
I do regret not including her dictionary in this video, but she made it several months after I published this video.
Dark Souls on a steno pad when?
Holly shit
1:26 I wonder how you type 'kat' then
The goal of steno is not to be able to write any arbitrary string of characters, but instead to compress and encode a language on a layout that makes it much faster than typing each letter individually.
That said, there is a fallback for entering letters one by one. Personally, I would do just that and "kat" in three strokes (called fingerspelling). However if you write the word often enough, there are different ways of disambiguating between different words.
One common way of disambiguating between words is including the asterisk key in the outline. It can also be used in other cases-for example, I use it to differentiate "doc" and "dock".
@@AerickSteno Thanks so much for the response! Very interesting
you look like a chess gm
Yupp. Part hikaru and part wesley
I guess, learning steno is similar to learning keyboard or any other instrument. By training, the combinations have to become automatisms. At some point you only think what to type and not how to do it anymore.
Btw.: All of those activities are great trainings for the brain and (in case of instruments) have shown to delay even Alzheimer's disease.
That's exactly how I feel about steno! I never think about how each word is written anymore, it just comes naturally. I also love the analogy of learning a musical instrument as someone who has played flute, saxophone, and clarinet over the years!
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MonkeyType loves to think steno users are bots hehe.
So u r aerick
180wpm on a normal keyboard 😎
Type this and I'll be impressed!: ruclips.net/video/1u_AHFyr79c/видео.html
Seems fast yeah.
I can type 150+ on a colemak keyboard lmao.
Nerd
I can type a 1000 wpm using my toes.
I didn't know Pump It Up was still a thing.
Wtf how did u get on my reccomend
dark themes are worse for your eyes. disappointed to see dark theme in a text editor, lol.