Who would later argue with Johnny Rotten about Punk forty years later who happened to be sitting at the bar in the pan up to the stage. Wearing the tartan jacket.
As a aspiring film maker this is one of the best filmed concert videos I have ever seen love the grainy mess love the opening shot of the guy who looks Paul Williams the nice pan with the neon lights the nice zoom the the concert beings and it’s amazing
@@cono4949 no its just complete garbage. its amazing what stupid people attract themselves to. These are the bottom humans that think this is anything good.
Richard in two of the greatest bands of all time. Kicked out of Television, quit the Heartbreakers (a punk supergroup), then forms the voidoids with Quine and Jiulian who went on to Record Gold albums with Matthew Sweet years later and future Marky Ramone on drums. Midas touch much?
in the book Pease Kill Me (Richard Hell is on the book's cover in a publicity photo the Heartbreakers did probably not long after they formed), he was more or less driven out of the Heartbreakers because he was fighting Johnny to have equal singing time and writing songs. Even Jerry Nolan and Waldo knew the Heartbreakers was Johnny's band, and Hell realizing he wasn't gonna have it his way, left. Johnny and Richard didn't belong in the same band, both of them had too much talent and too much charisma as front men to be in the same band. Glad he went on to form the Voidoids. Also Hell co-wrote Chinese Rock(s) with Dee Dee Ramone. Tho Johnny Thunder's claimed it was him and Dee Dee that wrote the song, Dee Dee even recalled when and where it was written and it was him and Richard Hell trying to write a better more punk version of the Velvet Underground's Heroin. Dee Dee claimed he played it for Johnny and Johnny stole it as a Heartbreakers song, tho he did credit Dee Dee and himself as the writers and not Hell. Dee Dee hated Johnny for it. And burned all of Johnny's clothes in Paris some years later, when he, Johnny and Stiv Bators were gonna start a band. Talk about a explosion of musical-frontman ego drama waiting to happen! Dee Dee got Johnny back anyway and Johnny did make alot of money off that song, so Dee Dee did deserve some satisfaction for having his song stolen without his permission.
Just the coolest people in the coolest place, playing hard, playing good. In two and a half minutes you know this place and this crowd, and you want to be there.
Right!? To me too. Had the same epiphany thought as to how we need more literal camera pan travel as human sightlines... I always notice it in scorsese films... And here it's mentioned how this film was produced by warhol, but not just to be one of those art critics who try to tear his efforts apart or down, but knowing anything about film- despite how home grown or low budget they are/were - it would be the Director the DOP or even the AD to lay this out. I've never actually heard of the producer of a film also being behind the camera, though I'm sure it's happened, And if it's notable and I get flamed and a million comment replies...well that's just how I enjoy learning and color me more well informed now !!
ＷＯＷ😮 being a MOM of three , 20years after my first, came across this video! First time to see Richard Hell on video😮. Living in Ｊａｐａｎ, back in the 80's used to be in a Punk band . Only had tapes my friend dubbed for me 🎸. thankyou❤🐸so much for the post . ありがとう🐸
Saw Richard and the Oids at the Palladium, Spring '79 (or maybe '79), as the warm-up band for the Patti Smith Group. The Oids stole the show, hands down. Much better band.
Quine in particular is so underrated. Just listen to the two solos on this song alone. He says exactly what he wants to say with the guitar succinctly, then gets out. And notice how he flips the typical style by making the second solo more primitive than the first, not more developed which is the usual order. Brilliant. And his work on Lou Reed's "The Blue Mask" made that record what it is.
This was from some movie/documentary. I remember seeing it with ..a long time ago. being babysat. All I remember is this scene and one with the Ramones. And the smell ov what I realize now is really good regular... different time the late 80's.
@Phyllis Stein - This is the feature film Blank Generation directed by Fassbinder cohort Ulli Lommel in 1978, not the Poe/Kral B&W footage with out-of-sync soundtrack also known as Blank Generation; I understand the mistake though. What's so awesome about this performance and period is that Hell and Ivan Julian are playing Ampeg Dan Armstrongs (bass and guitar respectively), which look so f*cking cool.
Necesitamos más y más documentales en 2024 para redescubrir y que descubran las décadas del 60' al '80, las más oscuras, pero más brillantes, más enajedas pero más lúcidas, más rebeldes pero más comprometidas, y las más autodidactas, creativas, auténticas, y originales de la historia de la música y la vida de éste planeta.
Howling to the moonlight on a hot summer night Singin' the blues while the lady cats cry "Wild stray cat, you're a real gone guy" I wish I could be as carefree and wild But I got cat class and I got cat style
Hey does any of you good looking Punks in this comments section knows how big CBGB was? The description says that this is from a movie called Blank Generation and it’s being played in CBGB! I know it’s just a movie that probably got everything for 70% wrong but seriously, CBGB was a club, not an orchestra hall. Even though whenever I listen to something from CBGB, it feels like that! I would love to know the answer! Thank you all.
I was sayin' let me out of here before I was even born, It's such a gamble when you get a face Seems like a more than decent start to a rock and roll tune. Sad that all the "rebellious" folks who were running radio and thought themselves "counter-culture" couldn't see the new beginning. Furious rock 'n' roll, this. Love it. Thanks to all the rock stars of the time who did support the wave of new rebellion, from Pete Townshend and his support for The Clash and The Jam etc., to David Bowie being there for Iggy. Just goes to show that there are some legitimate musicians who can see the future. (Okay, with Bowie and Iggy, Bowie saw the past that hadn't be recognized and did his best to rectify the situation. Just to be more accurate.)
Yeah Marc Bell 's still around ..... touring all over the world ( check his FB page :-).... imo he was the BEST american drummer back in those days . Prior Richard Hell , he was in Wayne County 's Backstreet Boys with guitar God Greg Van Cook & before ....in a power trio called Dust....( you get some footages here on U tube from this period ) . Bob Quine is sadly missed by all rock afficionados for sure :-(
WickedTornado Amazingly, none of the other responses have listed drummer Marc Bell's most prominent credit. Marc is in the rock n' roll hall of fame. He is better known as Marky Ramone, longest tenured drummer of the Ramones ('78-83, '89-'96; 8 studio albums, 3 live albums). He also was in a version of the Misfits for about 3 years (like 2003-2006; he did one album, a 50's covers thing, and a single with them) and a spinoff "punk super group", featuring Ivan Julien from Voidoids, called Osaka Popstar (one album). He also played with transgender punk Wayne County, Dust (cool, teenaged early metal/hard rock power trio from Brooklyn with two LPs; both other members went on to have notable careers in rock as well), a country rock band called Estus (they had one album), and can be seen here with the Voidoids (he played on their only proper album, also known as Blank Generation). He has also been the lead figure in the bands Marky Ramone & the Intruders (2 albums of originals), Marky Ramone & the Speedkings, and his current act, Marky Ramone's Blitzkrieg, which is a Ramone's tribute, and has featured Andrew W.K. and Michael Graves of the Misfits on vocals on various tours.
The progression is called the Andalusian Cadence...a Flamenco based progression... e.g. Ray Charles - Hit The Road Jack, The Ventures - Walk Don't Run, Hitchin' A Ride (Green Day)...and as recently as Imagine Dragons "Believer."
There’s something so genuine and honest about the old punk stuff. It actually felt like they were rebelling against something. Now we have popstars pretending to be punk so they can get nominated for a grammy. What a fucking joke.
Did Robert Smith rip him off or is that just the pitch you sing in sometimes? And who is doing a steadycam in 1980? I'm glad when I see someone who is still alive.
+Sal B. For sure. Both tunes are terrific. I'm no musician, but I bet a lot of guitar players would've spotted it immediately. Only took me, oh, a few decades.
I used to think the politics and attitude of punk came from the UK and the instrumental style (stripped down 50s rock n roll,sped up with 3-chord progression) came from the US.but Johnny Rotten came AFTER these guys right!?
Malcolm McLaren literally riped Hell whole image off when designing the clothes for his punk shop SEX. Richard Hell solely invented the punk image and didn't get the credit for it.
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 Malcolm did rip Hell off but Rotten was dressing how he did long before he even knew Malcolm. His mum had mentioned how he would cut up clothes and then pin them back together with safety pins. Lydon was always a punk. He didn’t rip anyone off. He and Jones wrote all the Pistols songs from 75-77.
@@thewhoman3182 it is definitely Johnny - there's an interview with either Hell or Uli Lommel that goes into detail about how only a fraction of a glimpse of Rotten ended up in the film - I'll try to find it.
It says Yay Bob and Marky -- they're great! Boo smack -- nothing about Marky doing it -- a comment on the scene and those who did like Hell. I know Marky was a drunk who cleaned up -- like me!
Looking for myself in the audience! Many nights at CB's
That hard working young man on the drums is indeed Marc Bell would soon join the ramones as marky ramone
heh, my first question was "who is on drums?"
The BEST!
Who would later argue with Johnny Rotten about Punk forty years later who happened to be sitting at the bar in the pan up to the stage. Wearing the tartan jacket.
@@hammerhead222 ha! That is Lydon! Never noticed.
@@charlesmaximus9161 It was pointed out by John Holmstrom in the making of DOA documentary.
As a aspiring film maker this is one of the best filmed concert videos I have ever seen love the grainy mess love the opening shot of the guy who looks Paul Williams the nice pan with the neon lights the nice zoom the the concert beings and it’s amazing
I thougt it was a movie
@@cono4949 no its just complete garbage. its amazing what stupid people attract themselves to. These are the bottom humans that think this is anything good.
Richard in two of the greatest bands of all time. Kicked out of Television, quit the Heartbreakers (a punk supergroup), then forms the voidoids with Quine and Jiulian who went on to Record Gold albums with Matthew Sweet years later and future Marky Ramone on drums. Midas touch much?
Television and heartbreakers very good looking bands lol 🗽
in the book Pease Kill Me (Richard Hell is on the book's cover in a publicity photo the Heartbreakers did probably not long after they formed), he was more or less driven out of the Heartbreakers because he was fighting Johnny to have equal singing time and writing songs. Even Jerry Nolan and Waldo knew the Heartbreakers was Johnny's band, and Hell realizing he wasn't gonna have it his way, left. Johnny and Richard didn't belong in the same band, both of them had too much talent and too much charisma as front men to be in the same band. Glad he went on to form the Voidoids. Also Hell co-wrote Chinese Rock(s) with Dee Dee Ramone. Tho Johnny Thunder's claimed it was him and Dee Dee that wrote the song, Dee Dee even recalled when and where it was written and it was him and Richard Hell trying to write a better more punk version of the Velvet Underground's Heroin. Dee Dee claimed he played it for Johnny and Johnny stole it as a Heartbreakers song, tho he did credit Dee Dee and himself as the writers and not Hell. Dee Dee hated Johnny for it. And burned all of Johnny's clothes in Paris some years later, when he, Johnny and Stiv Bators were gonna start a band. Talk about a explosion of musical-frontman ego drama waiting to happen! Dee Dee got Johnny back anyway and Johnny did make alot of money off that song, so Dee Dee did deserve some satisfaction for having his song stolen without his permission.
Back when America was a free and fun place to live.
Just dropping in to hear Robert Quine tear it up. Brilliant solo breaks.
I Miss CBGB!
Just the coolest people in the coolest place, playing hard, playing good. In two and a half minutes you know this place and this crowd, and you want to be there.
And I was. Saw Thunders there
It was a shithole!
one of the best videos i ever seen, the intro of the camara entering the pub and the end when he leave the scenario, new to my eyes
Right!? To me too. Had the same epiphany thought as to how we need more literal camera pan travel as human sightlines... I always notice it in scorsese films... And here it's mentioned how this film was produced by warhol, but not just to be one of those art critics who try to tear his efforts apart or down, but knowing anything about film- despite how home grown or low budget they are/were - it would be the Director the DOP or even the AD to lay this out. I've never actually heard of the producer of a film also being behind the camera, though I'm sure it's happened, And if it's notable and I get flamed and a million comment replies...well that's just how I enjoy learning and color me more well informed now !!
It's more than pub, it's CBGB. Man at the begining, with glasses, this is Andy Warhol.
@@elijahshould2098Warhol was hardly known for his adventurous camerawork. In fact, his shtick was the absolute opposite.
@@postpunk6947 Where is Warhol in this? does he make an appearance on film?
ＷＯＷ😮 being a MOM of three , 20years after my first, came across this video! First time to see Richard Hell on video😮. Living in Ｊａｐａｎ,
back in the 80's used to be in a Punk band . Only had tapes my friend dubbed
for me 🎸. thankyou❤🐸so much for the post . ありがとう🐸
You’re living in Japan? Or Richard Hell Is? I like the end , just drops his bass and says screw this
@@josephhopeless829 I live in Japan✨
We couldn't get videos that easily back then. 👍screw this🎸
Marc Bell aka Marky Ramone absolutely killing it on the drums.
Saw Richard and the Oids at the Palladium, Spring '79 (or maybe '79), as the warm-up band for the Patti Smith Group. The Oids stole the show, hands down. Much better band.
The Voidoids Robert Quine and John Perry of The Only Ones were 2 of the most shockingly overlooked guitarists in rock. Thanks for this wonderful clip!
Quine in particular is so underrated. Just listen to the two solos on this song alone. He says exactly what he wants to say with the guitar succinctly, then gets out. And notice how he flips the typical style by making the second solo more primitive than the first, not more developed which is the usual order. Brilliant. And his work on Lou Reed's "The Blue Mask" made that record what it is.
two wonderful guitarists certainly
@@danielstoddart not to mention his bluesy shredding on Matthew Sweet's "Girlfriend" record
What's with the Ukraine flag? Do you like supporting fascist stooges of the US empire? That's not very punk of you.
I just love the perspective of the video, like time travel walking into the venue
Richard was so very important to this genre.
What is this genre? garbage?
This was from some movie/documentary. I remember seeing it with ..a long time ago. being babysat. All I remember is this scene and one with the Ramones. And the smell ov what I realize now is really good regular... different time the late 80's.
Any time I want to remember what it was like walking into CBs I watch this video!
Anytime I want to remember the real 70s and early 80s rock music clubs in infancy I watch this.
Except there’s no scene with the bathroom
RIGHTEOUS ROCK!! Been addicted to this song since first listen! Saw Richard Hell, with Television live at Chicago's Riot Fest!
i woulda killed to see that show. Television RULED.
Incredible right from the opening line I am amazed how talented people are 😮
@Phyllis Stein - This is the feature film Blank Generation directed by Fassbinder cohort Ulli Lommel in 1978, not the Poe/Kral B&W footage with out-of-sync soundtrack also known as Blank Generation; I understand the mistake though.
What's so awesome about this performance and period is that Hell and Ivan Julian are playing Ampeg Dan Armstrongs (bass and guitar respectively), which look so f*cking cool.
Richard Hell and The Voidois and Marc Bell aka Marky Ramone
aka cher
This era of CBGB was truly the greatest of all time
Necesitamos más y más documentales en 2024 para redescubrir y que descubran las décadas del 60' al '80, las más oscuras, pero más brillantes, más enajedas pero más lúcidas, más rebeldes pero más comprometidas, y las más autodidactas, creativas, auténticas, y originales de la historia de la música y la vida de éste planeta.
Howling to the moonlight on a hot summer night
Singin' the blues while the lady cats cry
"Wild stray cat, you're a real gone guy"
I wish I could be as carefree and wild
But I got cat class and I got cat style
Love for the video & the chaos sphere that I noticed second ❤
God, he’s so hot.
fr, like... daaaamn...
He looks like Paul Simonon but not as handsome.
Saw them open for The Clash in 1977
色々、聴き漁ってたら出てきて
癖になる曲調と声で…良い(≧∇≦)b
Hey does any of you good looking Punks in this comments section knows how big CBGB was?
The description says that this is from a movie called Blank Generation and it’s being played in CBGB!
I know it’s just a movie that probably got everything for 70% wrong but seriously, CBGB was a club, not an orchestra hall.
Even though whenever I listen to something from CBGB, it feels like that!
I would love to know the answer!
Thank you all.
Yep, that’s definitely NOT CBGB’s
Robert Quine + Richard Lloyd are god(s)
God is God
It’s crazy how he just up and leaves before the song ends. There’s something so cool about it.
he's just so damn cool
Love the opening line of this song!
I was sayin' let me out of here before I was even born,
It's such a gamble when you get a face
Seems like a more than decent start to a rock and roll tune. Sad that all the "rebellious" folks who were running radio and thought themselves "counter-culture" couldn't see the new beginning. Furious rock 'n' roll, this. Love it. Thanks to all the rock stars of the time who did support the wave of new rebellion, from Pete Townshend and his support for The Clash and The Jam etc., to David Bowie being there for Iggy. Just goes to show that there are some legitimate musicians who can see the future. (Okay, with Bowie and Iggy, Bowie saw the past that hadn't be recognized and did his best to rectify the situation. Just to be more accurate.)
I love my mother for recording this in the lost decade.
This is true American history. Thank you!
Oh I don't think so Sir😔
The punk theme of generation X😎
Late boomers too.
Marky on drums?
Correct ... Marc Bell on drums !!!! one ( the ? ) of the finest drummer back in those days .
Yeah Marc Bell 's still around ..... touring all over the world ( check his FB page :-).... imo he was the BEST american drummer back in those days . Prior Richard Hell , he was in Wayne County 's Backstreet Boys with guitar God Greg Van Cook & before ....in a power trio called Dust....( you get some footages here on U tube from this period ) . Bob Quine is sadly missed by all rock afficionados for sure :-(
WickedTornado Amazingly, none of the other responses have listed drummer Marc Bell's most prominent credit. Marc is in the rock n' roll hall of fame. He is better known as Marky Ramone, longest tenured drummer of the Ramones ('78-83, '89-'96; 8 studio albums, 3 live albums). He also was in a version of the Misfits for about 3 years (like 2003-2006; he did one album, a 50's covers thing, and a single with them) and a spinoff "punk super group", featuring Ivan Julien from Voidoids, called Osaka Popstar (one album). He also played with transgender punk Wayne County, Dust (cool, teenaged early metal/hard rock power trio from Brooklyn with two LPs; both other members went on to have notable careers in rock as well), a country rock band called Estus (they had one album), and can be seen here with the Voidoids (he played on their only proper album, also known as Blank Generation). He has also been the lead figure in the bands Marky Ramone & the Intruders (2 albums of originals), Marky Ramone & the Speedkings, and his current act, Marky Ramone's Blitzkrieg, which is a Ramone's tribute, and has featured Andrew W.K. and Michael Graves of the Misfits on vocals on various tours.
Yes one of the best drummers from the CBGBS scene
Mark Bell
He quit soon after and joined The Ramones thankfully
He was broke and starving with Hell
Richard Hell just wants to grill for god's sake
Phyllis...you're confusing this with the documentary that came out in 1976. This film was directed by Ulli Lommel.
Same bass line as Stray Cat Strut. Both great songs.
The progression is called the Andalusian Cadence...a Flamenco based progression... e.g. Ray Charles - Hit The Road Jack, The Ventures - Walk Don't Run, Hitchin' A Ride (Green Day)...and as recently as Imagine Dragons "Believer."
what about the ooooo ooooo vocal parts
@@bradpittiful7288 facts
my god I LOVE THESE 2!!!
Obviously a huge influence on the Stray Cats
Fantastic Live Version -- best I've ever seen!
Who's here after the raconteurs? Also great song
Not me. I'm here because of the"Seven Ages of Rock", as seen on VH1
Johnny Rotten at the bar in the tartan jacket. Looking in Malcolm's mirror.
A bass player’s band- cool.
I own original pressings of Hell's first two LPs and no you can't have them!
If I’m not mistaken that is at CBGB
Uno de los temas pioneros del genero,de 1976 en plena explosion punk.aptitud punk al final del video,disfrutenlo.
Forever in my heart
You can tell Brian Setzer was a big fan. . .
With Robert Quinne this was one GREAT band
watched and listened. Got vaccuming done in half the time. Love you
The movie may have been terrible, but that was a great, great scene.
Bass line may be the same, but Richard Hell was first.
EXACTLY!
seltzer with more full chord descriptions, and those extrapolated on. (more intelligent musicianship)
Well I guess they both ripped off ‘Hit The Road Jack’, and Ray Charles pinched it from… and on and on…
Great drums! Exceptional. That Marky?
Yes it is
Nicest 'punk' I ever met!!!
For me it's captian sensible...
@@honeycatacomb1191 both are literal ANGELS
For me it was Lee Ving and Johnny Rotten. Both were so nice and polite.
Awesome 🤘🏻🤘🏻❤️❤️❤️
Esta es la segunda canción que escucho de esta banda y suenan caaaada vez mejooor! veeenga
There’s something so genuine and honest about the old punk stuff. It actually felt like they were rebelling against something. Now we have popstars pretending to be punk so they can get nominated for a grammy. What a fucking joke.
Marky playing drums!
Why are the audience behaving like guests at a cocktail party?!!!
they're all stoned, or hammered
This is a live performance at CBgbs but it’s from a fictional movie. That may have something to do with it along with them being hammered.
The new york crowd back then were too cool to let loose.
You sure that this was in the CBGB? Wasn't the stage much smaller, at least in the late 70s/early 80s?
Correct. That’s not CBGB
Why did Hell storm offstage?
Did Robert Smith rip him off or is that just the pitch you sing in sometimes?
And who is doing a steadycam in 1980?
I'm glad when I see someone who is still alive.
This is from a Movie of Hells that highly sucked except 4 this
Who's Robert Smith
@@DDios-ih9de Singer of The Cure.
Legend.
Marky pre Ramone
Beautiful dissonance...
Check out the CBGB episode from The Heavy with Andrew and Don podcast. Great look back at the 70’s New York punk scene
If he trademarked his look he'd be rich as F lol
sehr schön, mit eine der ersten
Really captures what it was like to be there.
That energy😭😭⚡🔥
Happy!
Hard to imagine CBGB with tables.
Very cool. Best part? No cell phones waving in the air, just a bunch of people in the moment.
shut up old hag
Emily Smith shhhh YOU BELONG TO THE BLANK GENERATION I BELONG TO THE BLANK GENERATION
well yeah but there was a camera crew there to preserve the moment, otherwise it would have been lost. with cellphones, that's less likely to happen.
Only because they didnt have cell phones.
no one gives a fuck matt
Why did we never get that 'See you in Hell' album?
This is even better having just read his new book!
...excellent
Stray Cat Strut sounds like it borrowed a bit from this.
I was thinkin the same thing ha
This was out before the stray cats made their debut in the 80's but the tune is a classic
+Sal B. For sure. Both tunes are terrific. I'm no musician, but I bet a lot of guitar players would've spotted it immediately. Only took me, oh, a few decades.
Hell should get a piece of those royalties huh?
What about walk dont run by the Ventures that came way before these?
Awesome
Marky Ramone 💪💪💪
Is Courtney Love that one??? Fabulous music fab combo. The attack ! Absolutely great. It all came out of NY . UK stole punk
But weren't "Richard Hell & The Voidoids"?
2:19 the girl to the right, when she turns her eyes omg😍😍😘
she's just so grrrrrrrr
God's consolation prize!
This song is more badass now
Fucking brilliant
FUCK YEAH!!!!
mike pride
Heyy Markyyyyy
Immense.
So there was no dancefloor at CBGB?
Frst person you see at the very start is Rodney Bingenheimer in the glasses I think(?)
Wonder if the Stray Cats had heard this when they wrote 'Stray Cat Strut'...
Holy Fuck
I don't think people were just sitting back then like the hippies lol
rightly so.
MARKYYYYYYYYY
I used to think the politics and attitude of punk came from the UK and the instrumental style (stripped down 50s rock n roll,sped up with 3-chord progression) came from the US.but
Johnny Rotten came AFTER these guys right!?
Malcolm McLaren literally riped Hell whole image off when designing the clothes for his punk shop SEX. Richard Hell solely invented the punk image and didn't get the credit for it.
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 Malcolm did rip Hell off but Rotten was dressing how he did long before he even knew Malcolm.
His mum had mentioned how he would cut up clothes and then pin them back together with safety pins.
Lydon was always a punk. He didn’t rip anyone off. He and Jones wrote all the Pistols songs from 75-77.
@@WENCHY101 so you're saying Glenn matlock didn't write anything?
@@WowDoodWuuut
I never said Glen never wrote anything.
@@WowDoodWuuut I guess I should’ve given Glen some credit too lol.
Heah yeah..
Johnny Rotten's jacket at 0:03!
You saying that is Johnny rotten? Cuz if so I don't think so
@@thewhoman3182 it is definitely Johnny - there's an interview with either Hell or Uli Lommel that goes into detail about how only a fraction of a glimpse of Rotten ended up in the film - I'll try to find it.
Yay Bob Quine and Marky boo smack
Mark never was into smack Never...I promise you that
It says Yay Bob and Marky -- they're great!
Boo smack -- nothing about Marky doing it -- a comment on the scene and those who did like Hell. I know Marky was a drunk who cleaned up -- like me!
Me too...