I used to tell people to go HP all the time until my HP Omen broke. They tried to fix it 3 times but couldnt so I demanded a refund which is my right in the UK. After some back and forth with them over 2 months I summoned them to court. Then they replied stating they're willing to go above and beyond and give me a refund like that wasnt already well within my rights. This is after they pretend to call me to "resolve" the issue and even denying my rights stating their policy overwrites laws. I'd avoid HP at all costs
@@andrewdoak1008 Well, workstation lines aren't so good either. They say they support "3 Year Next Business Day Onsite Hardware Support". BUT when you actually need the service and call their hotline, good luck with that. They'll do their best to avoid coming out, making all sorts of reasons and excuses like "Please try examining software issues first, using our instructions ABCDEFG... Have you tried X? Have you tried Y? Have you tried Z? Have you...". They will never send an engineer until after your call with their hotline has taken up all your energy and time for the day but you still insist (or implore) that they come. It's a tough struggle for consumers.
I went with a Razer Blade 17 + 3080ti (16GB VRAM) for my mobile AI Developer/ Gamer needs. It's perfect in every way and at 2.7kg it is just about portable. It fits in my bag and USBC charging is brilliant (one charger for my phone, headphones and workstation🤯) Curious to know about others experience travelling with laptops over 2.5kg? Love your channel! Thanks for the great content :)
I do. It is not a „work station“ per se, because it is my only computer for mostly gaming, office. I am on the road 6-8 months/yr in a camper, so no alternative for me. It is a XMG Neo 17“, RTX 4090 mobile, i9-14900HX, 16 TB SSDs PCIe4, 96 GB RAM 5200 MHz and of course, water cooling. The laptop is not the problem to transport, but all peripherals like 7.9 headset, USB Hub, mouse, one hand gaming keyboard, air cooling pad, external water cooler, hoses, cables…it is a logistic nightmare to keep everything save on off road routes, but what else should I do..? 😁
I have been trying repeatedly to take the Blade 18 for longer trips, but unfortunately always had problems with staying in my cabin baggage allowance for that one. But if you are not flying that I would totally try to make it work. I really like 18" ... 😅
Totally agree! 2.7kg are about to be the perfect sweetspot between decent cooling and being adequately portable. My current laptop is too thin (2.3cm) and too light (2.1kg) and cooling sucks. It gets very noisy under load unless I throttle it to 80% performance. My next notebook will be heavier and slightly thicker to get closer to 100% with bearable fan noise. Considering that high-end notebooks used to weigh 3.5kg or more many years ago, it is ridicolous that people nowadays complain about 2.5 kg.
I went with a zbook power over gaming laptop and I love the relative repairability, upgradability, and overall solid build quality. Maybe a little more chunky, but i like the overall aesthetic better
Much slower RAM speeds, though, and extra latency. I assume they do not use soldered as this is a 14th-generation Intel chip. Intel has already stated that the soldered RAM was a one-off to compete with Apple and Qualcomm in speeds, as SODIMM is still much slower. But they cannot continue with memory on the chip as it is significantly more expensive due to its advantages, so they will return to cheaper SODIMM in ultrabooks in the next-gen, and maybe CAMM2 in 2-3 years' time, which currently is even more expensive than soldered RAM.
I'm currently studying architecture and lucky enough to have the dell precision 5690. It's a powerhouse in my opinion and helps quite a lot in rendering CAD programs. The battery life is quite on the lower side but that's if you push it( 3.5hrs when rendering) Otherwise i hope to see more workstation reviews,, keep up the good work
I used to do workstations and nothing else. But I stopped a few years ago, not because I had problems with the workstation machines I had been using, but because gaming notebooks stopped being chintzy plastic trash to be destroyed in 2 seconds while mobile. It's nice when the product in use changes not because what one is using is getting worse, but because other things get better!
While I am excited for that one as well, I don't think it will substitute a High-End workstation such as the Fury! But it could definitely make for a very compelling, super portable do-it-all notebook. I'm just afraid, it being all AMD will hold it back, since I feel like most of the "professional" applications favor NVIDIA.
@@NotebookcheckReviews well that's true. A lot of "professional" applications favor NVIDIA. But with the last line of Apple Silico And Strix Halo, I think some softwares will start to implement solution to use those. Well it's still far from being the best solution but I think seeing it starting to be implemented is a good start. If a lot of users start using it, software will start implementing it. Well I do think the NVIDIA will still be a better choice but I think for my use case (software engineering) I'm more hyped by the Strix Halo laptop than on any NVIDIA GPU
Currently using a Zbook power from 2019 which is pretty similar in design to this one, just a bit slimmer as it's the less power version in the lineup. Not much to say about it which you haven't already but while the hardware has aged terribly, the chassis is indestructible and has held up to some pretty decent abuse in workshop environments. It helps that having a workstation computer makes you not mind damaging the aesthetics of it while damaging a "coffee shop" computer would suck, you save a lot of time if you don't have to care about being careful to your computer :P Question for you: I'm considering replacing this computer with a Yoga 9i - how similar would you say the yoga is to the computer you tested?
You mean the Yoga Pro 9? I think they are totally different laptops for very different use cases. The Yoga uses a Meteor Lake CPU, which will give you less performance than the 14900HX in the Fury. You also lose out on many of the upgrade options since the Yoga comes with a much, much slimmer chassis. But you gain longer battery life, a MiniLED Screen and a much more portable notebook.
@Legend_God6969 I think he meant the trackpad part is tap to click? (that is it's not force touch or physically clickable) And the buttons are exclusively for clicking only ofc.
This video just demonstrates what a great machine the Legion Pro is. I cannot see any benefit afforded by the 'workstation' moniker. The toolless access is very cool though (my older legion is a huge hassle to get into).
I think it really comes down to whether you need the workstation software benefits, the additional VRAM, or the upgrade options. Apart from that, a subtle gaming laptop will mostly get you better performance.
Workstations generally tend to have ISV certification and are built to last. Gaming laptops tend to be built cheaper and with a shorter life expectancy in mind. It's like the consumer vs business laptop comparison. Consumer laptops tend to be cheaper, but with worse hinges and other components that are more likely to fail after a couple of years.
@ Yeah, I get the selling point. To me though, feels like 'Cake vs Wedding Cake' price difference, if that makes any sense? FWIW, I was in charge of purchasing laptops for the design dept I ran, and we abandoned 'workstation' for quality consumer machines with a 3yr same-day replacement warranty. The previous workstation laptops still broke down plenty, and we opperated on a 3yr replacement cycle anyways. The switch made zero tangible difference to work QOL, for way less than half the cost.
@@chrisdardis4794 Then you got unlucky. Statistically it's far more likely for a consumer laptop to break down. You'll notice that right to repair advocates often tell their viewers to get used workstations because they know, as experienced repair shop owners that workstations have a lower percentage of failures with their business and especially workstation laptops.
It looks ok, but, unless you're doing CFD, where the physics support in the GPU counts, I'd go with a GeForce RTX instead. We do 3D CAD designing trains and we switched to GeForce laptops and desktops a few years ago after realising that the massive extra cost of Ada GPUs is not worth it most of the time. On top of which, they generally perform worse in real time GPU rendering, assuming equivalent speeds. We don't use HP at all anymore due to their poor support. We switched to Lenovo for our laptops (mainly Thinkpad P1s with GeForce GPUs) and haven't had any problems.
Interesting usecase and insight, thanks for sharing. Why not use more powerful/thicker laptops? Or are the P1s just secondary machines to your desktop systems?
@NotebookcheckReviews Our designers that have laptops generally take them home with them and also take them along to customers for presentations and meetings, i.e. the weight counts. They're absolutely fine for CAD and Adobe work. The heavy duty stuff is done by desktops, which we build ourselves. It's cheaper, more flexible and easier to repair or upgrade.
I think you guys should update your gaming suite, Dota and X plane in particularly scale horribly with high end GPUs and are notoriously CPU bound, and really also don't benefit much from high frame rates above a certain range.
I get your point, but those Games being CPU bound is exactly the reason we keep them for the performance rating. We do test more recent games as well, and you can always find more results in the written reviews on the website!
This HP is a competitor for the market it targets, although I ditched HP a while back due to poor QC. Maybe they have improved since? As for consumers, the higher-end models are very expensive, with the 2TB/64GB RTX 5000 costing £5100. The equivalent MB Pro 16 M4 Max is £500 cheaper, and even ultra-expensive premium gaming machines coming out with the latest Strix and Arrow Lake will be closer to the Mac than this. So, I assume these are for businesses with HP ties that will facilitate discounts so they do not pay these very high prices. In that case, for their market, they will probably compete with Lenovo and Dell workstations.
Watching this video, I am surprised by how "portable" it is. It is not a thin laptop (which is good! The thinner and lighter, the worse the cooling/throttling/noise), but according to the pictures on your written review, it seemed somewhat thick to me. But seeing it next to your hands like on 0:49, it illustrates how thin that power house actually is. I mean, it does not compete with low power ultrabooks. It is intended to replace a desktop PC, which is 10x thicker, heavier and totally immobile. Get the ZBook in your backpack, grab your power supply and a mouse and you have your powerful PC including peripherals with you. Try to do that with a desktop :D
I really don't understand why all those "Workstations" with really beefy components never come with an AMD Cpu? They are clearly way stronger. In particular the Dragen Range CPU is beating easily the 14900hx.
Might be a platform thing, or AMD simply not being able to meet the demand. And I would argue that the Dragon Range CPUs (as good as they are) do not really offer a "feelable" different in performance, and battery life is really not that great ...
I suspect it's that AMD cant just meet the demand. Or doesn't want to allocate wafers to laptop chips when they can charge more for server & enterprise stuff. Dragon range is already offering similar performance to Intel, a bit lower single core, a bit better multicore. AMD has worse idle power consumption due to chiplet design. It's going to be interesting to see how the Ryzen AI max+ 395 will perform.
It is nice workstation. They made it Support technician (works at corporation) & repair technician (mom & pop store) friendly. Excellent CPU performance for work tasks after the updates to Intel 14th gen. My only issue is the dedicated GPU is not leading edge. They could have gone with RTX 4070 as the floor. Nvidia RTX 3050 is meh for a workstation. At least Nvidia RTX 3070 would have been better.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Firstly, laptops don't need 4 SSD slots. 2 are enough. Secondly, HDDs are much more reliable than SSDs. Thirdly, if you're making a mobile replacement for a PC, at least provide one slot for a 2.5" HDD, as Acer used to do. As for the advantages of this laptop, I'll mention the RAM-yes, having 4 slots is a good feature.
HP products are near the worst of all, bad Hinges, bad power connectors, bad power supplies and the customer support is as bad as the support from microsoft
I used to tell people to go HP all the time until my HP Omen broke. They tried to fix it 3 times but couldnt so I demanded a refund which is my right in the UK. After some back and forth with them over 2 months I summoned them to court. Then they replied stating they're willing to go above and beyond and give me a refund like that wasnt already well within my rights. This is after they pretend to call me to "resolve" the issue and even denying my rights stating their policy overwrites laws. I'd avoid HP at all costs
@@Lo-KeyMuzik their consumer laptops suck compared to the workstation lines
Had a HP printer die on me one week after the end of the guarantee period. The support was like "Tough luck, bye bye!"
@@andrewdoak1008 Well, workstation lines aren't so good either. They say they support "3 Year Next Business Day Onsite Hardware Support". BUT when you actually need the service and call their hotline, good luck with that. They'll do their best to avoid coming out, making all sorts of reasons and excuses like "Please try examining software issues first, using our instructions ABCDEFG... Have you tried X? Have you tried Y? Have you tried Z? Have you...". They will never send an engineer until after your call with their hotline has taken up all your energy and time for the day but you still insist (or implore) that they come. It's a tough struggle for consumers.
I went with a Razer Blade 17 + 3080ti (16GB VRAM) for my mobile AI Developer/ Gamer needs. It's perfect in every way and at 2.7kg it is just about portable. It fits in my bag and USBC charging is brilliant (one charger for my phone, headphones and workstation🤯) Curious to know about others experience travelling with laptops over 2.5kg?
Love your channel! Thanks for the great content :)
If you lift carrying around a ~2.5 kg laptop shouldn't be a problem.
I do. It is not a „work station“ per se, because it is my only computer for mostly gaming, office. I am on the road 6-8 months/yr in a camper, so no alternative for me. It is a XMG Neo 17“, RTX 4090 mobile, i9-14900HX, 16 TB SSDs PCIe4, 96 GB RAM 5200 MHz and of course, water cooling. The laptop is not the problem to transport, but all peripherals like 7.9 headset, USB Hub, mouse, one hand gaming keyboard, air cooling pad, external water cooler, hoses, cables…it is a logistic nightmare to keep everything save on off road routes, but what else should I do..? 😁
I have been trying repeatedly to take the Blade 18 for longer trips, but unfortunately always had problems with staying in my cabin baggage allowance for that one. But if you are not flying that I would totally try to make it work. I really like 18" ... 😅
Totally agree! 2.7kg are about to be the perfect sweetspot between decent cooling and being adequately portable. My current laptop is too thin (2.3cm) and too light (2.1kg) and cooling sucks. It gets very noisy under load unless I throttle it to 80% performance. My next notebook will be heavier and slightly thicker to get closer to 100% with bearable fan noise. Considering that high-end notebooks used to weigh 3.5kg or more many years ago, it is ridicolous that people nowadays complain about 2.5 kg.
I went with a zbook power over gaming laptop and I love the relative repairability, upgradability, and overall solid build quality. Maybe a little more chunky, but i like the overall aesthetic better
Yeah, I was also pleasantly surprised, by how clean the Fury is.
How is battery life?, considering picking a zbook fury got college
You had me at 4x NVMe slots at 4x SODIMMs 😍
Right? 😂
Much slower RAM speeds, though, and extra latency. I assume they do not use soldered as this is a 14th-generation Intel chip. Intel has already stated that the soldered RAM was a one-off to compete with Apple and Qualcomm in speeds, as SODIMM is still much slower. But they cannot continue with memory on the chip as it is significantly more expensive due to its advantages, so they will return to cheaper SODIMM in ultrabooks in the next-gen, and maybe CAMM2 in 2-3 years' time, which currently is even more expensive than soldered RAM.
I'm currently studying architecture and lucky enough to have the dell precision 5690. It's a powerhouse in my opinion and helps quite a lot in rendering CAD programs. The battery life is quite on the lower side but that's if you push it( 3.5hrs when rendering)
Otherwise i hope to see more workstation reviews,, keep up the good work
Nice, been trying to get a review unit for that one, but it's been impossible to get in Europe!
Really interested in the Zbook Ultra 14, hope the 16 is a sign of whats to come!
Love to see physical mouse buttons!
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I would love to see haptic touchpads even more. Is it patent protected by Apple or why isn't it widely used?
@@bmakszim Expensive
I used to do workstations and nothing else. But I stopped a few years ago, not because I had problems with the workstation machines I had been using, but because gaming notebooks stopped being chintzy plastic trash to be destroyed in 2 seconds while mobile. It's nice when the product in use changes not because what one is using is getting worse, but because other things get better!
Yes indeed, people still make fun of gaming laptops, but they actually improved tremendously over the past few years!
Thanks for this review
You are very welcome! 💪
I think waiting for the strix halo models is the way to go for a mobile workstation. I'm actually hyped by the ZBook ultra 14 g1a.
While I am excited for that one as well, I don't think it will substitute a High-End workstation such as the Fury! But it could definitely make for a very compelling, super portable do-it-all notebook.
I'm just afraid, it being all AMD will hold it back, since I feel like most of the "professional" applications favor NVIDIA.
@@NotebookcheckReviews well that's true. A lot of "professional" applications favor NVIDIA. But with the last line of Apple Silico And Strix Halo, I think some softwares will start to implement solution to use those. Well it's still far from being the best solution but I think seeing it starting to be implemented is a good start. If a lot of users start using it, software will start implementing it. Well I do think the NVIDIA will still be a better choice but I think for my use case (software engineering) I'm more hyped by the Strix Halo laptop than on any NVIDIA GPU
Currently using a Zbook power from 2019 which is pretty similar in design to this one, just a bit slimmer as it's the less power version in the lineup. Not much to say about it which you haven't already but while the hardware has aged terribly, the chassis is indestructible and has held up to some pretty decent abuse in workshop environments. It helps that having a workstation computer makes you not mind damaging the aesthetics of it while damaging a "coffee shop" computer would suck, you save a lot of time if you don't have to care about being careful to your computer :P
Question for you: I'm considering replacing this computer with a Yoga 9i - how similar would you say the yoga is to the computer you tested?
You mean the Yoga Pro 9?
I think they are totally different laptops for very different use cases.
The Yoga uses a Meteor Lake CPU, which will give you less performance than the 14900HX in the Fury. You also lose out on many of the upgrade options since the Yoga comes with a much, much slimmer chassis.
But you gain longer battery life, a MiniLED Screen and a much more portable notebook.
if a trackpad has physical buttons, can I still click the trackpad?
Just tap to click.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Then what is the point of the buttons?
@Legend_God6969 I think he meant the trackpad part is tap to click? (that is it's not force touch or physically clickable) And the buttons are exclusively for clicking only ofc.
@Legend_God6969 a lot of professional cad and design software make use of the buttons as well as the clickpad, especially for visualisation
This video just demonstrates what a great machine the Legion Pro is. I cannot see any benefit afforded by the 'workstation' moniker. The toolless access is very cool though (my older legion is a huge hassle to get into).
I think it really comes down to whether you need the workstation software benefits, the additional VRAM, or the upgrade options.
Apart from that, a subtle gaming laptop will mostly get you better performance.
Workstations generally tend to have ISV certification and are built to last.
Gaming laptops tend to be built cheaper and with a shorter life expectancy in mind.
It's like the consumer vs business laptop comparison. Consumer laptops tend to be cheaper, but with worse hinges and other components that are more likely to fail after a couple of years.
@ Yeah, I get the selling point. To me though, feels like 'Cake vs Wedding Cake' price difference, if that makes any sense?
FWIW, I was in charge of purchasing laptops for the design dept I ran, and we abandoned 'workstation' for quality consumer machines with a 3yr same-day replacement warranty. The previous workstation laptops still broke down plenty, and we opperated on a 3yr replacement cycle anyways. The switch made zero tangible difference to work QOL, for way less than half the cost.
@@chrisdardis4794 Then you got unlucky. Statistically it's far more likely for a consumer laptop to break down.
You'll notice that right to repair advocates often tell their viewers to get used workstations because they know, as experienced repair shop owners that workstations have a lower percentage of failures with their business and especially workstation laptops.
It looks ok, but, unless you're doing CFD, where the physics support in the GPU counts, I'd go with a GeForce RTX instead. We do 3D CAD designing trains and we switched to GeForce laptops and desktops a few years ago after realising that the massive extra cost of Ada GPUs is not worth it most of the time. On top of which, they generally perform worse in real time GPU rendering, assuming equivalent speeds. We don't use HP at all anymore due to their poor support. We switched to Lenovo for our laptops (mainly Thinkpad P1s with GeForce GPUs) and haven't had any problems.
Interesting usecase and insight, thanks for sharing.
Why not use more powerful/thicker laptops? Or are the P1s just secondary machines to your desktop systems?
@NotebookcheckReviews Our designers that have laptops generally take them home with them and also take them along to customers for presentations and meetings, i.e. the weight counts. They're absolutely fine for CAD and Adobe work. The heavy duty stuff is done by desktops, which we build ourselves. It's cheaper, more flexible and easier to repair or upgrade.
I think you guys should update your gaming suite, Dota and X plane in particularly scale horribly with high end GPUs and are notoriously CPU bound, and really also don't benefit much from high frame rates above a certain range.
I get your point, but those Games being CPU bound is exactly the reason we keep them for the performance rating.
We do test more recent games as well, and you can always find more results in the written reviews on the website!
This HP is a competitor for the market it targets, although I ditched HP a while back due to poor QC. Maybe they have improved since? As for consumers, the higher-end models are very expensive, with the 2TB/64GB RTX 5000 costing £5100. The equivalent MB Pro 16 M4 Max is £500 cheaper, and even ultra-expensive premium gaming machines coming out with the latest Strix and Arrow Lake will be closer to the Mac than this.
So, I assume these are for businesses with HP ties that will facilitate discounts so they do not pay these very high prices. In that case, for their market, they will probably compete with Lenovo and Dell workstations.
Watching this video, I am surprised by how "portable" it is. It is not a thin laptop (which is good! The thinner and lighter, the worse the cooling/throttling/noise), but according to the pictures on your written review, it seemed somewhat thick to me. But seeing it next to your hands like on 0:49, it illustrates how thin that power house actually is. I mean, it does not compete with low power ultrabooks. It is intended to replace a desktop PC, which is 10x thicker, heavier and totally immobile. Get the ZBook in your backpack, grab your power supply and a mouse and you have your powerful PC including peripherals with you. Try to do that with a desktop :D
watching from zbook fury 17 g6 i9 9th RTX4000 64gb RAM ITS A BEAST
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14900HX is a space heater
that's a new naming scheme for a laptop
Is it?
What is your feeling about the RTX 5090.:)
Honestly, I can not wait to try it.
Especially on the mobile side, having 24 gigs of VRAM is huge!
I really don't understand why all those "Workstations" with really beefy components never come with an AMD Cpu? They are clearly way stronger. In particular the Dragen Range CPU is beating easily the 14900hx.
Might be a platform thing, or AMD simply not being able to meet the demand. And I would argue that the Dragon Range CPUs (as good as they are) do not really offer a "feelable" different in performance, and battery life is really not that great ...
I suspect it's that AMD cant just meet the demand. Or doesn't want to allocate wafers to laptop chips when they can charge more for server & enterprise stuff. Dragon range is already offering similar performance to Intel, a bit lower single core, a bit better multicore. AMD has worse idle power consumption due to chiplet design. It's going to be interesting to see how the Ryzen AI max+ 395 will perform.
It is nice workstation. They made it Support technician (works at corporation) & repair technician (mom & pop store) friendly. Excellent CPU performance for work tasks after the updates to Intel 14th gen.
My only issue is the dedicated GPU is not leading edge. They could have gone with RTX 4070 as the floor. Nvidia RTX 3050 is meh for a workstation. At least Nvidia RTX 3070 would have been better.
Its not a rtx 3050, its a rtx 3500 ada, comparable to a 4070 but with 12 gigs vram
Yepp, completely different line-up!
How much will it cost
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4:18 thats not a zenbook
I meant ZBook, of course!
Great laptop, it's a pity that it uses an Intel processor in this time and age.
not have place for hdd 2.5 for me it's amful
Why would you need one? Especially if you have 4 NVME slots?
@@NotebookcheckReviews Firstly, laptops don't need 4 SSD slots. 2 are enough. Secondly, HDDs are much more reliable than SSDs. Thirdly, if you're making a mobile replacement for a PC, at least provide one slot for a 2.5" HDD, as Acer used to do. As for the advantages of this laptop, I'll mention the RAM-yes, having 4 slots is a good feature.
I am not sure, if 2.5" HDDs are that much more reliable, especially in a mobile machine, and you give up a ton of speed.
RTX 3500 :D
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@@NotebookcheckReviews 1:15
Work 😰
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HP products are near the worst of all, bad Hinges, bad power connectors, bad power supplies and the customer support is as bad as the support from microsoft