KTM Superduke R Revisited | I've Tried The Rest Still The Best?? 🤔
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2021
- Last year I spent a couple of weeks riding the brand new KTM Superduke 1290 R and absolutely loved it, I even made it my bike of 2020. For 2021 however there has been some top new competition arrived on the market. So the question is, has the Superduke still got what it takes to be 'The Daddy' of the supernakeds?
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Bought mine without a test ride or no knowledge of a Superduke, best decision ever mate.
Ha! Me too. When mine got delivered, the sales guy couldn't believe when I said "I've never seen a gen 3 before "😂.
First ride, knew it was supposed to be a fire breather, so I put it in street mode (lowest throttle response full power mode) full electronic nannies etc. Putter ed slowly to 3rd gear, then held on real tight and thought "let's see what a quick ish burst of 25% throttle will do....". Both handlebars ripped out of my hands and only the pillion seat kept me from sliding right off the back😂😂.
Mi too! I bought the new 1290 super duke r three weeks ago! I bought the bike without a test ride! I watched all the reviews on RUclips! I can't wait until winter is over!
Me too. Cant even ride it because it's winter here in finland.
That’s how I bought my gen 1. Walked into the dealership with a check for a different bike, saw that black gen 1 on the showroom floor, and walked out an hour later with a brand new KTM bottle opener and an SDR to match… I placed my order for the gen 3 as soon as they went on sale and rode it 600 miles home the day I picked it up
@@goldnmoto383 no better feeling mate 👌
I just left the bike at the parking after a 7 hours ride, of which 3 and a half under a heeeavy rain. She brought me home in really hard conditions and I’m so grateful. She may be a beast but when you’re in need she does the job and inspires lots of confidence. Thank you my duchesse 🙏✌️
The best reviews, by far. So much info on the feel, the character, the weak points as well as strong points, and the apparent honesty. Love your work. Thank you!
Thanks Barry 👍
@@LambChopRides just wait for TMF's review, he'll probably struggle to lean beyond 20 degrees and the bike will be amazing just like everything else he tests. Sorry but he's a 50mph Granny.
@@johnwandle oooh shots fired right at the water line!!!
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You meant to say
"absolutely amazing" right?
Some say "to much is never enough " I say that the gen 3 Evo hits the sweet spot plain and simple , can't get enough of mine .
Completely agree Chops👍🏻 Just makes you smile every time you take it out. just does everything well but in a fun crazy way!
I agreed with everything he said about the SDR, I leave mine in sport mode and never have to change it. But you have to be careful with your throttle input most especially at low speed.
I like mine in Performance mode. And if I'm riding tighter roads or track, I put the suspension into Sport mode and set the preload to Auto-Hard or deliberately set it to 60% preload, which is a little rougher but works nicely. On more open roads and regular riding, I put the suspension in Auto. But yes, I have an Evo.
Another step up in quality chops… you’re making a real effort and it’s truly showing. Fantastic work. Ooooooh that’s a naughty little sausage isn’t it, that KTM. Hard not to want one. 👍👍
Real honest review. For a mere peasant like me who can only ride what I own, it comes down to personal preference and that is the KTM because you can’t beat a V twin.👍
Great review as always mate, I look forward to riding one. The sound when you blipped the throttle at the beginning was to die for. Want!
That front seat release tab and suspension settings sticker are genius. Love quality of life touches like that.
Absolutely Love yout HD content!!! I really appreciate you taking the extra upload time for all of us !!! Nice 👍 work Chops!!!!
After watching your previous review of the gen 3 i just had to have one.. Had been eyeing up the tuono for a few months but you def helped with my choice of the gen 3 superduke.. .. Love it..
Cheers chops!!
Great job! You are surely the most HONEST reviewer on RUclips right now. Please stay that way!
My mate has one and I gotta say. It’s really lives up to ‘the beast’ name. Cracking bike. Nice article chopster. Loads of useful real world detail mate 🤘🏻
Love the review Chopsie! I’ve got a Gen 2 and pick up my 2021 Gen 3 next week! Can’t bloody wait.
Great update chops. Just bought a gen 2 but I’ll keep saving 🤑
Thanks for the great review tomorrow I’m picking up my brand new 2022 superduke!!
You keep knocking it out the park with these vids
You are the best reviewer by far! You made reference to a situation I had with my tuned 2018 Super Duke 1290 R. I was riding my bike and a little tired on day. I made a turn and needed to make an immediate lane change to turn left at the next intersection. I grabbed a handful of throttle in what must have been first gear. The front end bounced a few times and I almost lost it. I would have to say, you are the only one on this planet that has mentioned “Whiskey Throttle “. Lol BTW my bike is still in one piece. From that point on I made a cognitive decision to only ride that bike when I am fully on my game because that bike will chew me up if I let it. But that is why we love it because it scares us a little.
Glad you got away with it Patrick! Yes indeed the bike is really a beast isn't it 👍😁
Nice review John, thank you. As you know I'm a Speed Triple 1050 owner and I think the SDR will win out against the others on my next update. As much as the Speed is a great machine I'm not brand loyal and fancy a change. The looks of the SDR are Marmite but I like it, particularly once it's had a few mods added. I don't think you can beat the sound of the Tuono but the SDR is a more all round practical machine still with buckets of fun.
The Gen 3 really knows how to finish a corner, something that all Aprilias require more muscle to do. I am an Aprilia guy for over a decade and for a street bike, I have zero complaints with what KTM have done to this bike. And it was cheaper after freight, taxes and a 5 year extended warranty + Tech Pack than the base MSRP on a Tuono Factory.
Owned the 2011 RC8R and have always been a fan of the LC8 motor. While I am a KTM fanboy I do wish they would up their game on consistent quality control. My 2019 690 Enduro R is rock solid as have the KTM dirt bikes I have owned. but often hear of others that have had issues. Another great review and insightful comparison to the other super nakeds.
Thanks Paul 👍
Feels like you’ve tested this about 5 times! Just get one already! Thought about testing the standard Tuono V4, a more road focussed bike (higher bars/screen etc)?
Like your reviews Chops! Seem to watch more of yours than anyone else, looking forward to the ZH2 review,
Thanks Rob 👍
Great review Bud, things are getting tight at the the top . My choice would be the KTM , practical , range and comfortable.
I absolutely love mine !!!!!! Good review Chopsy ! 😀ride safe
👌👌👍👍 test rode 1290 adv s yesterday was blown away with the whole package the engine is a peach
So true regarding the throttle, a few times when I’m just cruising along one handed and try throttle a bit and I’m like woah that was more than I thought I was going to get ha ha ha! Have to respect it
Hey John, another great watch. Thanks! Where would you place the latest S1000R in the rankings?
KTM is rolling out some super duper awesome bikes lately, 890 Duke, 1290 and Now they are testing a 990 too...How cool is that...😍😍😍
A very fair assessment of the rankings of the super nakeds; thanks Mr. Chops. I’d put the Tuono slightly ahead of the Duke, but as you say, nitpicking really. As great as these big nakeds are, I’m coming round to the conclusion that, for UK roads at least, smaller capacity, light weight is the way to go, for reasons you know too well. Using smaller bikes to their (near max’) is great fun without the worry, which is why I’m hoping you might consider slinging your leg over the forthcoming KTM390 Duke R. For the money, with the new upgrades it should be a riotously fun (and cheap) bike to ride and own.
Your opinion is a mature one. I too believe that lesser weight is a priority specially in the 4 stroke, Euro 5 era where everything gets heavier.
I own the Duke 390 2013 version and I tell you, in Indian market, even years later there's no proper replacement that's better in every matter. Even Duke 390 itself got heavier due to BS4 and BS6 emission standards (mine is BS3).
Mine is the same old raw grunt that made KTM famous here. Go ahead wth the Duke, you can't go wrong with them.
Great review,would be awsum to see a review of the RR tho as nobody has really done one,I think alot of people would like to see your thoughts on it
Collecting mine on monday afternoon. Cant wait!!
Great video as usual Chops.
Any news on your Ducati heads and the build?
Still love mine chopsy and have tried the rest to and for me definitely still the best 👍 I am a bit biased I must admit .great vlog again as usual chops
Thanks Scaff 👍
Really looking forward to seeing the new GT and what you think of it. I reckon it could be bike of the year
Praying they release the V.3 KTM GT. It's the type of bike I need (Pillion-worthy/friendly says my wife--it's "her" bike ;) ). Have V.2 GT now and really like it but want the improvements. I'll ride a Multistrada V4 but we don't need/want a 19" front wheel ever and maybe the Pikes Peak if it can be easily adjusted for pillion/solo on suspension. I need MY solo rips, too.
Would you ever be able to review the RR version they now have, just to compare it to the " normal " version. Great review, 👍👍👍🇬🇧
Great review chops as always , just bought one
Had the Tuono , fantastic bike , but as you said , fuel economy and service costs , too much , and you can’t even add just a end can without changing the ecu 😫😫😫
But that v4 sound ❤️❤️❤️
The Super Duke R and S1000R were my two favourites when I tested all the nakeds this summer...
Great review and Cheers from New Zealand.
Hi LCR,
Great vid. I have a 3rd gen and love it, apart from the left hand side panel falling off and the clutch issue raising its head whilst on a track day!
You say you can get heated seats for the SDR Gen3 in the vid, I don't think you can but I'd be interested where you heard that because I do like my creature comforts. Ride safe mate 👍
Yes you can, got them installed on my Gen3 at the first break- in service. They work great, use C1 to turn on Heated Grips menu.
Great machine, love mine.
Got an ex demo machine with Tech pack included with low mileage for less than £14k & got the heated grips which are brilliant.
Ridden a Dragster & it wasn't for me compared to this, though it was still a nice bike taken on its own.
Its the only bike I've ever bought without a test ride first & it doesn't disappoint.
Great descriptions of the characteristics of your bike. You'd be a great teacher because the way you csn explain things. 👍
Great video as always.
I had the 2020 and now have the 2021. I only ride with the suspension in sport mode. You should try it. The handlings is more precise and sharper. I didn’t like 👍 suspension in standard mode I could feel the rear end move around a little bit and the front end felt a little more vague. Little bit more of a rougher ride but worth it.
Also if you want a more planted front end feel all you have to do is raise the forks up one or two notches. I currently have mine on the 3rd line. You can go one or two more lines down from that to get a even more planted feel. I like the 3rd line because the bike steer quicker and there less weigh on my wrist. There is so many way to set this bike up. Then there the rear preload adjuster for even more fine tuning your angle of attack.
Loving all your review Chopsie! You never mentioned the new s1000r! Is that not a super naked anymore? How would you compare it to all the other bikes you’ve mentioned? Sending you Good vibes from Australia ✌️
Too much buzz/vibrations through the bars and footpegs. This bike was the biggest disappointment I have ridden. I guess I expected too much and it couldn't deliver. The Speed Triple RS and SDR 3.0 are far better bikes.
Any new content with Lamb Chops or Superduke R’s, I’m all over it!
I had one few weeks ago. I know it’s the natural progression for me.
Chops, when are you buying one?
You wax lyrical about it all the time.
Also if you want a more planted front end feel all you have to do is raise the forks up one or two notches. I currently have mine on the 3rd line. You can go one or two more lines down from that to get a even more planted feel. I like the 3rd line because the bike steer quicker and there less weigh on my wrist. There is so many way to set this bike up. Then there the rear preload adjuster for even more fine tuning your angle of attack.
Good advice. The bars are adjustable too, just moving them a little forward would make the front feel more planted, especially on track. I have the Evo and can set the preload about a dozen different ways, that alone makes the bike much more flexible. Turn it down or to auto for comfort, give it 50% or more for sport riding or use one of many presets including auto-hard, auto-med, auto-soft. Just amazing.
I had Tuono before Gen3 SDR. For me the winner is SDR by a descent margin, but I liked Tuono a lot too. V2 on SDR is sublime.
Nice! Would like to see you review the ‘standard’ Tuono. I know it’s similar to the Factory but it’s a bit more practical for road. This may tip the edge to top spot.
Yup they are wrong, maybe the gen1 version certainly not the gen 3
Please give it a try if you can. Reckon a lot of people would be interested. 🙏
Great Vid, Mr Chops. I got the tech pack included in the new purchase price of my 2021 bike and a great PX deal for my old bike (MT09).
I fitted the little plastic spacers in the throttle and it really helps with the initial throttle modulation.
Agree with all of your comments, quick shifter... performance.... road handling are all fantastic, my only bug bear is the indicator switch (I have seen lots of online complaints on this). The comment of it being a "wobbly tooth" is spot on and it can take several attempts to cancel the indicators (the auto cancel does work but often not as soon as you need so as not to send the wrong message to others).
Sorry I just cant accept the Tuono as a naked, great bike but it really is an RSV with a "saw off" fairing and bars replacing the clip on's.
Final point..... why didn't you mention that you can fit a regular size Cornish pasty under the saddle??? (not the giant obviously LOL!!).
Keep the content coming, and for goodness sake get back to your ongoing build projects :-)
Haha, yes I recorded this before the pasty run or I would have 😆 yes I also agree with switch gear feel it's not great expecially the indicator switch good point should have mentioned that 👍
there's only ONE size of Cornish pasty m8, LARGE STEAK! :D
Nice re-review Chopsy! I’m liking my SDR a lot and agree with everything you said, but are you sure it’s considered heavy compared to others? By my math it’s only 442 lbs wet…pretty light.
I’m sure you can’t go wrong with any of these other hyper-naked bikes, they’ll all put a smile on your face.
They dropped something like 4kg more out of the 2023 I believe. It's now probably the lightest - not sure what the streetfighter or the MT-10 weigh however. I have a deposit on a 2023 Evo. Super excited even after decades of bikes new and old.
Enjoy it Steve! Lucky sod
Great video as always chops..when you going to get the 2021 mt09 on the channel iv had my 21 sp a month now love it .would love to see you views on it. Keep upto Good work 👌👍
I have a gen 3 SDR and I’d have to respectfully disagree with the opinion of the suspension… the front is adjustable and also has the red rings on the shafts of the front fork to help you gauge on how much you’d have to set it up. With that I feel like it mops the floor of all the bikes… especially with that adjustable rear shock right there as well 🤷🏻♂️ I think KTM definitely knocked it out of the park. Other than that man loved the vid and ride safe brother 💪🏼
Still looking at picking up a gen2. There’s a 2017 with track pack and quickshift and an SC pipe for sale about 3 hours away. If it were closer it might already be headed for my garage….
I have the V3 SDR and aside from getting only 800 miles out of a rear tire, it’s fantastic. But the tire issue is primarily my fault. I have the Akra Evo exhaust and tech pack. I leave it in track mode, anti wheelie off, and traction control at 3 100% of the time
You sir are my kind of guy!
I leave it on 1. Have to admit, I've had the tire spin up pretty hard a couple of times.
This isn't just how easy to ride but how easy is to loose your licence 🤣🤣🤣.
Nice review Chopsy 👊
Would love to see you review the RR version
Nice review. I have a Gen2. I would say the taller you are the more ideal this bike becomes as well. If you are over 6' tall, all of it's competitors become a test of your flexibility endurance...And well, that's why I no longer rode sports bikes in the first place.
Went on a canyon run with 2 of those back when they were new, I was shocked how tall it was and I’m not that short lol. They were fast in the straights too
Absolutely loved this
I have a 18 sdr 36000miles....love it.. thinking of upgrade soon .. leaning towards a 22 sdr.....
Hello from France. Superb review as always !!! I have thoroughlly tried the Triumph and Tuono and got to the SDR gen3 on replacement of my Gen2. I hated the imprecise gear box on the Speed triple. Tuono is superb but no duo at all possible and it heats more…. Duo is not a nightmare on this SDR. Enough room under seat to carry 2 disc blocks which is not a detail ! Wonderful personality and engine présence even at low revs’ and speed …. The Tuono with Its amazing soins needs more speed to enjoy : even more of a driver’s licence predator. Only real weak point for me : the unprecise fuel gage : skipping from 70 kms of autonomy to 20 in 10 kms …. I fully agree with you : this SDR is a wonderful happy making everday Bike ! And perfect for big guys like you and me (I am 205 Lbs and 190 cm tall : speed triple looks very small under me …..)
The Tuono has an amazing « sound »…. Sorry automatic French corrector…..
Thanks Emmanuel seems we are on the page here 👍
@@LambChopRides absolutely ! Thank you for the magnificent work you do on your videos and your very in depth reviews, always keeping in mind the « real world » of biking practice, not only top power or speed but also everyday capability. That is a lot of work for sure !
A comparison between this and 890r with Greg would be great. Can you have as much fun on smaller bike? Like triumph street v speed.
Yes was hoping we could do this one, one to try for next year now!
I rode the two back to back recently while my gen 2 1290r was being serviced, 890 first and loved it, so much better than the 790 but after riding the gen 3 1290 around Snowdonia for a full 2 hours it really was king. Can definitely see myself upgrading next spring.
A couple comparisons/reviews of the two out there. If I alone rode on the weekends I’d have the 1290, but the 890R is an easy bike to live with.
I’d love to see you try a Streetfighter V4 with exhaust! It’s a whole different beast with the mtorque upmap…. But it does get louder 😈. Btw love your videos 🤙🏻
Haha.. love the fact you leave stuff like 4.04 in 😂 "whhat"
I think it's a great looking bike and colour scheme
have 22 890 r and heard some complain about the QS.....mine is pure butter, any rpm at anytime as long as you dont chop throttle like a clutch shift.....keep throttle on and its smooth as a babys bottom.....KTM makes great motorcycles......hopefully will get to ride this bad ass some day....
I keep focusing on the display. What a nice looking screen.
Sold mine as it would not keep a charge. Bloody nightmare. Now on SMCR, 👍🏆
I've watched every video you've done on this Gen 3 SDR multiple times. Learnt several handy things and had an understanding of how it behaves prior to the test rides. Finally managed to get one a couple of weeks ago and am in love with it. Enjoy the channel a lot and really looking forward to the reviews on the many new machines landing in 2022! Thank you!
Have you taken the 890 Duke R for a ride? Had a search and was surprised to see you haven't done a video on it yet.
Agree, hoping to see a review of the KTM 890 DUKE R.
A great machine, nice review .
Amazing review! How do you compare to the mt 09 sp for street use and commute + fun factor?
SD is still the king 👑, your right Chops, none of the super naked are bad bikes, it just depends which is your preference, I’m still orange.
This is the only super naked that has a chance of getting me to part with 15k+, the others don't get a second look!
I loved this bike when I rode it back in June. You feel very much like your are sitting on it as opposed to sitting in it as with the Speed Triple RS. The Speed RS Triple felt like it lacked soul compared to the SDR 3.0 which has bags and bags of character. Agree with everything said here. LC is a far better rider than I shall ever be. We await a review of the recently announced Speed Triple RR RS with electronic suspension. I would be so pissed off now if I had bought a new Speed Triple RS when Triumph had definitely said the RS was it, no further modifications or upgrades were on the cards. Yeah right.
@Casey R. How do you know you'd still take the RS instead of the new Speed RR? The RR hasn't even been released yet let alone on sale in dealers!
A bike will always be upgraded ! And they will never tell you it will be upgraded when they just put it on the market ! That's so childish to be pissed off by that ! One thing for sur, we can't say you are sitting in the Speed Triple 1200 RS : strange you say that or you mixed up in and on as you are more in the KTM and on the Triumph (and I prefer the KTM for that, although it is good also with the Triumph). Character wise most people confond torque at low rpm and character : put a lower gear and you'll see if it lacks character lol
Just to let ya know Mr chops ,I'm always free if Greg is doing other things 😂🤣😂
All the best
Great vid 👍
haha thanks Michael :-)
Great review Lamb chop !
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The only issue I've had with mine is that the right indicatior wire snapped as there simply isn't enough slack in the wires. But it was fixed by Ktm in a few days.
Will the new Triumph Speed 1200 RR be able to knock the Tuono off the top? Both have fairings so are they really nakeds?
Hi lamb Chop, I don't know if you remember me but I'm the super duke addict who lives in S/W France currently on my 5th 1290. I'm sending you this message with a link to one of my son's videos that he took in Spain last week. I'd like you to see it because it gives you an idea of the sort of roads we ride in Spain & this is just one amongst many. It was a test video with a borrowed camera so the perspective isn't great but it should give you a good idea, try & watch it all if you can & you'll see me at the very end on my 1290. The roads here are probably some of the very best maybe in the world & I would like for other people to know about it & that is why I would like you to come down & try them for yourself. In fact I love the region so much that I bought a place there & it's only about 3 hrs from my house in France. This particular road is about 50 km of fantastic bends & scenery. Also I'm thinking that maybe we could get a few tours going hopefully next year. Anyway here's the link & let me know what you think
ruclips.net/video/VtPsc6EBRi0/видео.html
Ps I tried to send you this message on your lcr website but couldn't get past captcha code.
Currently on a Grom, but this is what I want next.
Great video I do like the ktm I also like the s100r too it doesn’t get a mention though is it not that good chops ? , I will probably end up on the ktm just for the fun factor 👍
Yes good point, its not included as I only spent the afternoon on it same with the GSXS. Need more time to fully include in this test. Hoping to try both again soon for a longer loan
I enjoy the engine braking on the StreetFighter. But I own one so I'm biased 😂. However, the KTM is my second favorite super naked. That engine is sublime, love the torque. I wonder if they still use a lot of oil?
Good catch up review Chops, it is still the Daddy (but I'm biased), just such a shame the gen3 has lost the burble and pop on the overrun. On a different note, those shorty type gloves really worry me, there's exposed skin in normal riding so there'd be a lot more if you were sliding down the road (don't try it, please). Leaves your wrists and forearms so exposed, makes me shudder a bit.
KTM 690smc R
BT-Moto and others are selling tunes for the Gen3 now. They not only release 5whp everywhere and change the response entirely, you get lots of burbles and pops.
Oh Yeah as Usual another great review btw.
I rode this one yesterday and as much as I loved the raw power, my hands were buzzing from all the vibrations and I was tired.
Funny, I find the vibrations very good on this bike, a big sporting twin needs about 4500-5000 rpm which seems to be most of the problem, people keep riding them like they're an old Harley or something. Every big twin I've ridden is the same, my old Tuono, RC-51 et al Whereas the S1000R I rode made my feet and hands numb, and the owner had filled the bars with something (i forget, maybe lead shot?) to try and stop the incessant bar buzz of the BMW.
Legend has it; the front wheel is still in air
6:00 Yep. Which is why I love it. Its absolutely perfect. I dont care about anti wheelie and traction control being separate. I am not intending on doing wheelies on the road ... not intending to take the bike off the road.
Love the bike.Cheers.
It’s a big bike . Super Duke over the Aprilia and Ducati on looks alone .
Chops..is not having electronic suspension a deal breaker for you, i am tempted to get the SDR or Speed 1200 RS but knowing my luck i will buy it then a new model with electronic suspension will come out, its one of those i have never had so not to sure if its a must have now days. Cheers and great video. I wish my local dealers allowed demo rides so I could test it out and buy it but will never get a chance to buy one.
I have an Evo. I wouldn't say it's a deal-breaker but if you do frequent two-up riding or you change weight, riders or carry lots of stuff with you every now and then, the auto preload / auto sag is worth a lot to me. Also sometimes you want to tear ass and the suspension will accomodate that or a smoother ride if you're tired. It's a nice thing to have.
Glad to see its still a bit of a crazy horse lol👍
Gr8 review thanks
Fantastic bike . 👍
which area you are driving around? great review btw!
any chance to see a s1000r vs speed RS soon?
Great review Chopsie as always 👍 great bike may get one next year and trade in my gen2. The full akro system makes my bike alot nicer to ride and can use 6th gear so you dont get that on off feeling in town
Keep up the great work 👍
Thanks Mark 👍
Are you going to review the new Tuono (Non-factory)?
@Lambchops - quick comment on where the Z H2 SE slots in, having released that vid?
I love the idea of having a superduke I always liked the look of the older generation and this new one looks even better but as someone who rides all year round and really only had road experience on supermotos I suspect the superduke would be too much for me and it definitely looks like the kinda bike you don't wanna be caught riding in the rain with that amount of power yes the electronics are there to save your ass but I suspect it wouldn't be an enjoyable experience 🙈 which also makes me wonder would it go mostly unused as the UK weather is utter shite 90% of the year. anyway nice review keep the videos coming
I own one and live in Seattle where it's damp out 3/4 of the year. The bike is definitely squirrely even in rain mode until the tires get a little heat in them. Absolutely love the bike though.
Love it, looks great, love a huge performance v-twin. Just wish the dash had less of an iPad app/calculator looking UI. Can’t get used to the look of the dash.