OMG, thank you so much for this video. It's been somewhat cathartic for me. The events in Gaza have been both traumatic and paralyzing for me. I've felt so alone because I haven't seen people around me taking the genocide/ethnic cleansing seriously. My heart breaks. It's heartwarming and psychologically relieving to know that I'm not the only one going through various emotions in my grieving process. Muchas gracias!
Same here, folks just do not care! You are not alone. We are the silent majority and the world needs us and we must find each other and find the courage to speak out.’ I write letters everyday to Pres Biden. It’s just therapy for myself. But what if a million people did same? Yes I too am crazed by this insanity.
Me too. When my shares aren't banned on Facebook they are ignored except by a few friends who only like but never comment. When I bring it up in conversations or in a group either people are completely unaware, or they say they have their own problems and war isn't something they pay attention to. Will this happen when the Fascists come for us???💔💔🇵🇸
Deepest respect, love and solidarity from Australia (land never ceded). I am an anti- zionist, anti- colonialist Jew. I am a human being, I stand now and forever with the Palestinian people. Don’t have many/any/enough? words………💔❤️🇵🇸✊
I LOVE what you are doing. To name the rage and grief, disbelief, suspension of time.... these are all normal trauma responses. Sarah Peyton talks about "alarmed aloneness" and I hear this state in your words. When we feel this we must be with others who are having the same experience. Keep making this space for yourselves, and for us.
Thank you for this conversation. It was actually uplifting in a way to hear others articulate my own emotions so clearly - the rage, disbelief, numbness, and despair. As an American I’ve been ashamed of my country plenty of times, but this is the first time I actually genuinely hate it.
I try not making this about me as much as possible. Nothing is about my pain. It's about doing whatever I can to help, and realizing that it's not going to help that much, if at all. But I do what I can nonetheless. Basically, accepting that I am a speck, and hoping the wind from my breath can one day contribute to a hurricane that sweeps all this injustice away. You guys are at least a gust.
This Genocide seems to be having a far more profound affect on people - mainly because we are able to see it play out in real time from anywhere in the world.
It's causing psychological distress. I've cancelled most of my news channels, but staying linked thru interviews. This is not the way to treat human beings, children. It makes me wonder if our leaders are human or are they in disguise, clones, hybrids, holograms. It's that awful, those few men at top of US government outside Congress.
Yes, the worst part of the genocide is when the Jihadi in Kibbutz excised that baby from a live pregnant woman. The atrocity was supported by millions of Antisemites all over the World.
One of the most disturbing things is hating the violence and then finding yourself hoping the axis of resistance will unite to hit back.... and not knowing what bloodbath would result if that happened
As a therapist I commend you all for your courage to face & expose evil,you are giving expression to people who are being silenced. Humanity has always benefitted from telling the truth no matter how painful it is.
That was incredible. So much to relate to. Especially the “frothing pit of rage”. I had an hour’s amazing support from the free service offered by RUH for anyone struggling with emotional issues around Palestine. So, so helpful.
Rage, numbness, disillusionment...these things are part of the process of grief. I think we've been taught that grief only looks like tears, but it has so many expressions and manifestations. And the time always comes - even if years later - when the body will choose its own time to release the rains that have been waiting to fall. What I hear when I listen to each and all of you together, is the beautiful, yet painful process of humanity unfolding into its fullness. And the gift you are giving to us is vast. Thank-you for allowing me to unfold with you, and to continue to turn towards everything that comes up inside of me, so that I can bring something even better into the world. I send so much love to all of you. Each time you guys come together, my heart leaps, because I know I will be in company of people I can call no less than family and friends.
I want to thank you all for doing this on video. It's brave to open yourself up and be honest about your feelings. As a recovering alcoholic and survivor of childhood/early adult abuse, I understand how difficult it is, and how relieving it can be. Bless you kids.(I'm 65😅)
RECOVERING TOO, 21 YRS. but I must have been really so Emotionally drained from Mixed rage,etc. Thatt I dreamt I went into a bar asked for a martini, the dream ended by telling myself ..... I'll just have a taste. ( Rein in girl !!!) LOL.... I must be a mess, upset. Stay sober, the world needs you. Peace
I have so grateful to find this sharing of our communal trauma from witnessing the horror of Israel's genocide on Gaza. I also share John Elmer's sense of hope that is being created by the amazing organisation and creativity of the Palestinian resistance in defending Gaza out of what they have to hand. I am also uplifted by the Yemeni response which comes from their communal unity of purpose in resisting Saudi Arabia. Thank you.
I would add that the sense of despair is intensified by the alienation of being surrounded by people who don’t understand the situation and fear that my own sense of rage will end up getting me tarred as an extremist.
This is therapeutic for me. I'm isolated in an area where only one or two people in my local community are following what's going on. I feel gaslit by normal life ongoing. I wish there was a forum like this that I could participate in
Thank you for this discussion. It really helps to know that I'm not the only one who feels shocked and isolated by the current abject committment to kill everything and everyone in Gaza. The gaslighting doesn't help with the rage. Working through does not change the facts and our raw emotions, but creates new ways to look at our place in the world and new constructs for living in upcoming days and relationships.
I share your emotional process, I know exactly what you’re are talking about… 😔. Still in disbelief, like you can’t wake up from the nightmare… the horror doesn’t end, I can’t imagine being inside Gaza right now! 😭
For Gaza like with Nora I’m in constant rage, for the West Bank I don’t understand why I cry. But this morning I came across a Lutheran Revered in Bethlehem who so articulately and perfectly called out the world and the church for allowing this to happen. I’m not Christian but I was moved and comforted so much by his anger and truth I ask everyone to listen to his speech, it will effect you as it did me.
If anyone says something like, "why do you care about this when you have no stake in the conflict?" a simple and thoughtless response is "my government provides weapons and politic cover that Israel uses to commit a genocide, and that's evil, so I want it to stop."
That’s an additional factor for me , the core factor for me is my humanity , I cannot see evil slaughtering innocent children and people right in front of me and for me to not get affected , whether my filthy government is enabling or not , my problem is empathy , it’s not dependent on whether my tax dollars are going to a barbaric state or not , I would have had the same disgust with Israeli people and people who justify Israel’s barbarism
I am touched by seeing the beautiful Norah confess to her rage and hate. Her lovely face conveys such empathy and compassion when listening to the testimony of others. Your courage to continue will save you, Norah. The struggle continues no matter what individuals feel or do. It's good to be together with others who battle beside you X
Wow. Thank you for this show! It's so important and instructive to hear from everyone on the panel and what they're struggling with. My heart goes out to you all. This is very helpful to me personally as I make my way through my own sorrow and anger over the genocide of Palestinians by the monsters of Isra-hell and the collective West. Peace and love to you all.
Don't over generalize. It's not all Israelis it's their government and the US State Department. 153 countries voted for the ceasefire including Switzerland who is notoriously neutral.
@@ARolls-dd2zdOver 95% of Israel Jewish Society is supporting the genocide in Gaza according to the last poll. And many more Zionists in the west. So, yes it's Israel in its entirety committing this mass mudering in Palestine, not just the Israeli government. This tells a lot about the psychology of this society.
@@ARolls-dd2zd you're reading too much into what I said. I do not blame the people of israel or of the collective West. It's the governments of those countries that are committing genocide. I will say, though, that more people need to speak up and take action--like getting out into the streets and protesting, like making phone calls to "representatives of the people," like educating friends and family as a counter to the propaganda, like boycotting, like writing letters; in short, anything we have the power to do, we should be doing. This is fascism, and any one of us could be next. So there's that too. Thanks for your reply.
Very interesting. I am experiencing very similar emotions: rage, frustration, powerlessness. The extermination campaign is making me reevaluate a lot of things in my life. I also feel a lot of self-disgust: the feeble talking and typing and cogitation that is most of what “politics” has typically meant to me feels like such a betrayal of people who need much more of that. Also I find social media is a double-edged instrument of both empowerment and burden. It connects me with people I want to connect with and helps me spread information I think needs time be spread. But what I’m thinking can’t all be expressed publicly.
Thank you all for offering this processing of your experience of the ongoing horrors to the public: it is helpful and quite unique to hear you sharing how this is affecting your inner lives and what you are doing to attempt to cope
Thank you for sharing, each of you,,it is really important for many to witness and be part of this shared experience,,more thanks for your continued work in documenting that heinousness each and every day,,the rage and vitriol is so human
You're all brave ones speaking truths which help us deal with the brutal scenes and dystopian lies and frees us to be in solidarity with Palestine . Thank you.
Before this happened I've been out of activism for a few years. I feel so guilty that I haven't done enough prayers, activism, and awareness raising to help prevent prevent it all.
Everyone.who has a heart, feets helpless, yet guilty. The animalism of violence Towards little ones.... I can't Comprehend how a human Can do that ???😢
It is traumatising to witness a brutal killing field unfold but it’s not possible to process anything internally because of the exponentially more horrific experience of those in the living hell of Gaza the West has created. And made worse by efforts to eradicate any safe space for discussion and the massive chilling effect being experienced.
This war has triggered so much anger, so much visual Trauma, boiling PTSD, so many Emotions. THANK YOU GROUP because we feel helpless. Especially watching these babies, ..... humans just Murdered..... it's insane.
I've felt guilty feeling horrible because these people are experiencing it first hand. My brain can't un-see what I've seen but I need a way to break it down. I've started to feel like I've seen it so much that now I'm just used to it. My world just feels so much like a movie 😩
Humanity is, a practice not just our species & antidote too inhumanity. Before gender, skin colour & ideology we're all human beings, divided into two groups. Humanity v inhumanity...we all choose a side, it's a question of perception & matter of practice. Thank you all, for being on the humane side of history. ✌🧡
Our Palestinian siblings have changed all of us, to the better. They have made us acutely aware of our humanity, our vulnerability as well as our strength, which will never equate their but still exists. They have opened our eyes to what really matters and made us able to clearly see the enemy, both without and within.
Its scary. Its hard to believe. But its reality. And we are powerful. Because God is with us. No one can defeat us. They can kill us, but never defeat us. We are way more powerful than them.
"Stay human." Vittorio Arrigoni. "Our revenge will be the laughter of our children." Bobby Sands. Their very b€$tia£ity is driving a recoil expansion of humanity. Keep witnessing it for us. Your work is vital.
“I don’t know who I’m gonna be after this”… I think many people feel the same. You’ll be that beautiful compassionate woman you are, Nora, and I’m sure you managed to balance your rage towards the aggressors and gaslighters with your love for the victims.
It’s interesting to me to listen to all of you. I just found your channel. It feels good to hear your thoughtful observations about how you are feeling, even if a lot of what you are feeling is uncomfortable. Your caring is what is important, and I do think that it is hard to be where you are at this time. It reminds me of how people would talk and relate to each other in the late 60’s and early 70’s, when the anti-war movement was very active. So much change happened because of the activism of that time and it seems that over the next few decades, the US populace and leadership, in particular, has sold out in many respects and the ripple effects are worldwide. We seem to be crossing some sort of rubicon and those of us who are aware and feel empathy and pain for what it is going on in Gaza, are really scared and concerned about the state of the world. It is a sort of paradigm shift, in that the large scale murder of children is ongoing, but the powers that be are only giving lip service to stopping it, much less holding the perpetrators accountable. It seems to me that the Israel project, as envisioned by the founders, has failed in pretty much all respects. The world now sees their racism and fascism and inhuman actions. How this will unfold is a big question. My concern is the possibility of even more violence and the unraveling of systems that constrain acts of brutality. We live in a unique time in history, where technology allows us to bear witness to the fact that the barbarism that has haunted the human race since the dawn of man is not going away. You are right in that it feels isolating and unreal to see how many people will not or cannot process the truth of what is happening, but change can come, if caring people continue to seek a path of peace.
It is an awful world, lead by truly evil people, particularly in the West. But good people exist. The problem is that we always allow the sociopaths to become our leaders.
Do not get things twisted. This is not about us. Remember sweet Dunia. She lost a leg and her family to an IDF war crime. When interviewed she was sad of her loss, showed no signs of bitterness and sincerely aspired to be a doctor and help those in need. The criminal IDF martyred her as she recovered in hospital. We should share her hope and constructive optimism. In spite of it all we cope and we care because we must. Also, anger and empathy are not mutually exclusive. Happy holidays.
We have all cried in sadness for this young lady , And all that we hope for is the people who survive this genocide, that is becoming more like holocaust ! After all that they have sacrificed, is to be free of this Zionist nightmare !
I disagree that it's not about us, because, even from a distance it is about us and what our governments are enabling with statements like: "izrael is entitled to defend itself'. Genocide is not self-defense. It is wholesale murder.
Yes....bottom line, facing the people who are actually pro-genocide AND those who are pro-genocide & actually doing it... in plain sight with full expectation no one will stop them......more confounding is the widespread view Palestinians are "a lesser people"......when/ how has that been the:narrative I have lived with for 79 years....and did not really recognise that.... I recognise it now...thankyou .
the fake fakestinians are not a lesser people. They are actually NOT a people at all. Just a bunch of Nazis, continuing with where the old Nazis left off in 1945.
Jon didn't find the right therapist when he needed one. Jon has figured out a coping method, but I hope he finds a therapist he does really click with. We all need to I could tell right away that Jon was given some programmatic, formulaic ptsd system-approved, who's-up-next shrink… but that ain't it. A good shrink meets their client where they are, identifying the individual, digging down from there. When you find someone who gets you, really gets you, that's when it clicks and where the real work gets done
The System is headed for change, systemic change is going to require sacrifice on a scale you can't yet imagine, and perhaps even after it happens won't be able to grasp. Buckle up as it is quite possible than none of us will get through it alive.
"The destruction in the Gaza Strip is greater than the destruction in Germany during World War II." Josep Borrell, Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.
I thought the suspicion raised was about the deep motives, motivations of those people who don’t have skin in the game like Arabs & Jews do. Requiring us to do the inner work to be able to do tge inner work to be able to authentically go beyond solidarity.
That was such a terrible war. These folk are too young to remember..... It's hard to accept that US foreign policy has wrecked so much more of the world since then
Honestly, seeing how casually people in my own (leftist) family took this literal crime against humanity was by itself highly disturbing. They just would not call it for what it is. Even a month in, they still seemed to insist Hamas was the worst actor in this situation and kept repeating crap that if they heard about from any other states they would instantly clock as straight up naz! rhetoric.
In English we call it a paradigm shift. Those are all symptoms from a shift in consciousness. You don't need a therapist to sugar coat it with gibberish.
Im not an Arab or an a Israeli and I care very much. I noticed what Israel was doing to Palestinians back in 2014/5 after op protective edge. (stupid name for mvrdering Palestinians) I was so impacted by the horror of it, especially because I realised I had been programmed via society and education to only see Jews, (via the many Holocaust museums, books, movies) as victims only. As the most victimized people in history, ever. I was angry and appalled at what I saw during that time. This time around its so much worse. Ive cried several times when seeing the videos of soul crushing loss and cruelty inflicted on the Palestinians. I am made so angry and rather scared by seeing other humans cheering on the murder of children. Hearing Knesset members call for genocide, Amalec, little snakes, human animals, all those awful words used to tenderize the public, to prime them, creating the dehumanization of Palestinians prior to their execution. So people wont care or be shocked. Its all planned out. So sinister.
I keep looking for slivers of hope, and I only find more horror. It is simply impossible to accept and frustrating to watch…..and yes I am so hurt and angry at my gov and the lack of empathy from powerful nations. It is infuriating. I ask how is this possible? I wish we all could somehow be empowered to shut this evil down. But we do not have any means, because we do not have a true democracy. In this we are all Palestinians, in our helplessness and this creates guilt, because though I am helpless, I am safe! I am fed! I have care! They are left with nothing but extreme hostility, fear, etc etc, and I think this is also a message to me. I am suppose to accept that this is just the way of the world! Huh! They want to desensitize us and make this the new norm. And this is unacceptable. How dare they! We must find a way to strengthen the voices of a free people and to empower us to act. What Biden is doing is so unnatural that it stops us in our lives, it gives us pause to see where this society is going! Can we scar ourselves with this realization that our society must change? We cannot continue supporting such a system. But the other side just might be a bit more brutal than we could handle. And this too is horrifying. We must search for solutions in these very dark times, instead of losing our faith.
Unless a person has experienced this type of horror themselves, human beings haven't got the response mechanisms needed to deal with this. None of us carry the tools necessary --- we have never seen anything so hateful and disgusting as this is. I'll admit I question if all of this is being used as a wày to dull our feelings and normalize this violence and horror because after Gaza, there will be others to come. We are being prepared No, I'm not paranoid! I'm looking at history, 9/11, recent wars in the middle east, the millions of homeless in our streets, mass poverty, the fall of past Empires and thinking that somehow this is all connected.
We're all children of God, who resides in heaven. When we eventually grow up & understand "The Kingdom Of Heaven IS Within You" belief will be redundant, for we shall Know God.👊💫
Perhaps now for a far greater number of jews in the diaspora the reality of Israeli apartheid, continuous barbarity and ethnocracy has finally become apparent. For me this genocide and the failure of the Western powers even to call for a ceasefire has proven to me the absolute moral depravity of our leaders. These people can not be regarded as anything other than sociopathic in their indifference to the suffering of the innocents of Gaza.
Let's take a simple example. If the Yellow Vests in 10 days have gathered 3 to 5 million people, including 3 million on a single account. It is quite possible to gather 100 million or more in a year, and so on. And have your own internet network, both a vertical and horizontal steering group. By limiting the action to a strictly political level of respect for the rights of a group of people concerning the policy of a particular country. By respecting a precise framework for intervention, which must remain generalist, excluding particularist excesses. Does a country like Israel do anything at all? The 100 million choose companies around the world that encourage unhealthy attitudes, until the country lets go of the exactions.
I don't believe I WILL EVER FORGIVE ISRAEL, or my own AMERICA !?.... THE GASLIGHTING ! these politicians do, is so damn insulting, what's worse ? I believed in my President. I am shocked !
There is a solution, but it must be found before the problems arise, and on a strictly political level. We can't just cry and express our feelings all the time. That's all very well, but it's not very effective. Business must revolve around at least three rules: respect, not taking oneself for who and what one is not, like the father of the nation; discipline, without which no one gets anywhere; and efficiency, we're not here to have fun or waste our time and the little money we barely have. This can be an international affair, based on these three principles, by creating a group of citizens who are electorally organised and ready to support each other across borders. Today's technology makes it possible to do this in the twinkling of an eye, if the will is there. We saw this, in part, with the French Yellow Vests, which brought together 3 million people in 10 days, except that they lacked a permanent structure to bring the three principles together and ultimately succeed. In short, there's no denying it, it's numbers that determine everything else, but it can't do it without a head or steering, without an organisation, including a provisional or rotating one.
“not fit to shine my shoes”: that was an interesting choice of words. Recalibration, dissidentification, decoding, marking, parasocial: do these psychobabble terms actually help anyone or even mean anything?
This is what happens, over time, when political sociopaths are afforded adult status in that society. Political sociopathy; a willingness to do harm for the sake of opportunity, social capital, hierarchy, profit and/or pleasure. We fail to challenge the myth that the laws of nature are conducive to the laws of creating a healthy society and that the toleration of political sociopathy is not conducive to achieving optimum health of a society. Society is a social construct attempting to utilize specialization to enhance provisioning. All governance of a society will degrade into sociopathy at rates determined by the tolerance for political sociopathy in policy creation/ adjudication/ enforcement, also the adherence to a best practices policy that operates from the principal of the general welfare of all and the whole simultaneously, then there is the quality of its consensus seeking/building practices and its adherence to a fullness and accuracy of documentation of policy creation and implementation.
This kind of conversation needs to be had over and over again. Because it's going to keep bringing up treasure.
OMG, thank you so much for this video. It's been somewhat cathartic for me. The events in Gaza have been both traumatic and paralyzing for me. I've felt so alone because I haven't seen people around me taking the genocide/ethnic cleansing seriously. My heart breaks. It's heartwarming and psychologically relieving to know that I'm not the only one going through various emotions in my grieving process. Muchas gracias!
Same here, folks just do not care!
You are not alone. We are the silent majority and the world needs us and we must find each other and find the courage to speak out.’ I write letters everyday to Pres Biden. It’s just therapy for myself. But what if a million people did same? Yes I too am crazed by this insanity.
Me too. When my shares aren't banned on Facebook they are ignored except by a few friends who only like but never comment.
When I bring it up in conversations or in a group either people are completely unaware, or they say they have their own problems and war isn't something they pay attention to.
Will this happen when the Fascists come for us???💔💔🇵🇸
Deepest respect, love and solidarity from Australia (land never ceded). I am an anti- zionist, anti- colonialist Jew.
I am a human being, I stand now and forever with the Palestinian people. Don’t have many/any/enough? words………💔❤️🇵🇸✊
Australia are occupying the aborigines land , hypocrisy
@@metapol118 Note in comment: ‘Australia (land never ceded) ‘❤️💛🖤 Always was always will be Aboriginal land!
What a great episode; we all feel the same things. Peace to all, and solace during these horrid times.
Not being able to process the tragedy that's always ongoing makes you human..thank you Nora.
I LOVE what you are doing. To name the rage and grief, disbelief, suspension of time.... these are all normal trauma responses.
Sarah Peyton talks about "alarmed aloneness" and I hear this state in your words. When we feel this we must be with others who are having the same experience.
Keep making this space for yourselves, and for us.
Thank you for this conversation. It was actually uplifting in a way to hear others articulate my own emotions so clearly - the rage, disbelief, numbness, and despair. As an American I’ve been ashamed of my country plenty of times, but this is the first time I actually genuinely hate it.
Thank you, i feel the same.
I try not making this about me as much as possible. Nothing is about my pain. It's about doing whatever I can to help, and realizing that it's not going to help that much, if at all. But I do what I can nonetheless. Basically, accepting that I am a speck, and hoping the wind from my breath can one day contribute to a hurricane that sweeps all this injustice away. You guys are at least a gust.
This Genocide seems to be having a far more profound affect on people - mainly because we are able to see it play out in real time from anywhere in the world.
It's causing psychological distress. I've cancelled most of my news channels, but staying linked thru interviews. This is not the way to treat human beings, children. It makes me wonder if our leaders are human or are they in disguise, clones, hybrids, holograms. It's that awful, those few men at top of US government outside Congress.
Yes, the worst part of the genocide is when the Jihadi in Kibbutz excised that baby from a live pregnant woman.
The atrocity was supported by millions of Antisemites all over the World.
Thank you for doing this episode. So many of us feel the same way. " grieving seems like a privilege too"
Thank you for exposing your hearts and minds to us, it helps us all during this time...
Yes.
One of the most disturbing things is hating the violence and then finding yourself hoping the axis of resistance will unite to hit back.... and not knowing what bloodbath would result if that happened
God bless you nora your a good person and i call tell it's taken a toll on you , so thank you for all the work you do ❤
As a therapist I commend you all for your courage to face & expose evil,you are giving expression to people who are being silenced. Humanity has always benefitted from telling the truth no matter how painful it is.
This is such an important conversation. Thank you all so much.
That was incredible. So much to relate to. Especially the “frothing pit of rage”. I had an hour’s amazing support from the free service offered by RUH for anyone struggling with emotional issues around Palestine. So, so helpful.
Thank you for this. I really needed to affirm I’m not crazy or at least not alone!
so important
Rage, numbness, disillusionment...these things are part of the process of grief. I think we've been taught that grief only looks like tears, but it has so many expressions and manifestations. And the time always comes - even if years later - when the body will choose its own time to release the rains that have been waiting to fall. What I hear when I listen to each and all of you together, is the beautiful, yet painful process of humanity unfolding into its fullness. And the gift you are giving to us is vast. Thank-you for allowing me to unfold with you, and to continue to turn towards everything that comes up inside of me, so that I can bring something even better into the world. I send so much love to all of you. Each time you guys come together, my heart leaps, because I know I will be in company of people I can call no less than family and friends.
I want to thank you all for doing this on video. It's brave to open yourself up and be honest about your feelings.
As a recovering alcoholic and survivor of childhood/early adult abuse, I understand how difficult it is, and how relieving it can be.
Bless you kids.(I'm 65😅)
RECOVERING TOO, 21 YRS. but
I must have been really so
Emotionally drained from
Mixed rage,etc. Thatt I dreamt
I went into a bar asked for a martini, the dream ended by
telling myself ..... I'll just have a taste. ( Rein in girl !!!) LOL....
I must be a mess, upset.
Stay sober, the world needs you. Peace
Yes , rage
I recently started reading The Palestine Laboratory. What a eye Opener!
A deep Thank You to Everyone.
I have so grateful to find this sharing of our communal trauma from witnessing the horror of Israel's genocide on Gaza.
I also share John Elmer's sense of hope that is being created by the amazing organisation and creativity of the Palestinian resistance in defending Gaza out of what they have to hand.
I am also uplifted by the Yemeni response which comes from their communal unity of purpose in resisting Saudi Arabia.
Thank you.
I would add that the sense of despair is intensified by the alienation of being surrounded by people who don’t understand the situation and fear that my own sense of rage will end up getting me tarred as an extremist.
This is therapeutic for me. I'm isolated in an area where only one or two people in my local community are following what's going on. I feel gaslit by normal life ongoing. I wish there was a forum like this that I could participate in
Thank you for this discussion. It really helps to know that I'm not the only one who feels shocked and isolated by the current abject committment to kill everything and everyone in Gaza. The gaslighting doesn't help with the rage. Working through does not change the facts and our raw emotions, but creates new ways to look at our place in the world and new constructs for living in upcoming days and relationships.
Your words really really help me today when I feel devastated and yeah especially the children and these monsters are leaders in the world!
Thank you very much. This is very helpful and important ✌️
I share your emotional process, I know exactly what you’re are talking about… 😔.
Still in disbelief, like you can’t wake up from the nightmare… the horror doesn’t end, I can’t imagine being inside Gaza right now! 😭
For Gaza like with Nora I’m in constant rage, for the West Bank I don’t understand why I cry. But this morning I came across a Lutheran Revered in Bethlehem who so articulately and perfectly called out the world and the church for allowing this to happen. I’m not Christian but I was moved and comforted so much by his anger and truth I ask everyone to listen to his speech, it will effect you as it did me.
Heads up everyone... more people are waking up with your help!
If anyone says something like, "why do you care about this when you have no stake in the conflict?" a simple and thoughtless response is "my government provides weapons and politic cover that Israel uses to commit a genocide, and that's evil, so I want it to stop."
That’s an additional factor for me , the core factor for me is my humanity , I cannot see evil slaughtering innocent children and people right in front of me and for me to not get affected , whether my filthy government is enabling or not , my problem is empathy , it’s not dependent on whether my tax dollars are going to a barbaric state or not , I would have had the same disgust with Israeli people and people who justify Israel’s barbarism
I am touched by seeing the beautiful Norah confess to her rage and hate. Her lovely face conveys such empathy and compassion when listening to the testimony of others. Your courage to continue will save you, Norah. The struggle continues no matter what individuals feel or do. It's good to be together with others who battle beside you X
All well said & it's very cathartic so thank you all..
Free Palestine 🇯🇴😥
Wow. Thank you for this show! It's so important and instructive to hear from everyone on the panel and what they're struggling with. My heart goes out to you all. This is very helpful to me personally as I make my way through my own sorrow and anger over the genocide of Palestinians by the monsters of Isra-hell and the collective West. Peace and love to you all.
Don't over generalize. It's not all Israelis it's their government and the US State Department. 153 countries voted for the ceasefire including Switzerland who is notoriously neutral.
@@ARolls-dd2zdOver 95% of Israel Jewish Society is supporting the genocide in Gaza according to the last poll. And many more Zionists in the west. So, yes it's Israel in its entirety committing this mass mudering in Palestine, not just the Israeli government. This tells a lot about the psychology of this society.
@@ARolls-dd2zd you're reading too much into what I said. I do not blame the people of israel or of the collective West. It's the governments of those countries that are committing genocide. I will say, though, that more people need to speak up and take action--like getting out into the streets and protesting, like making phone calls to "representatives of the people," like educating friends and family as a counter to the propaganda, like boycotting, like writing letters; in short, anything we have the power to do, we should be doing. This is fascism, and any one of us could be next. So there's that too. Thanks for your reply.
Very interesting. I am experiencing very similar emotions: rage, frustration, powerlessness. The extermination campaign is making me reevaluate a lot of things in my life. I also feel a lot of self-disgust: the feeble talking and typing and cogitation that is most of what “politics” has typically meant to me feels like such a betrayal of people who need much more of that. Also I find social media is a double-edged instrument of both empowerment and burden. It connects me with people I want to connect with and helps me spread information I think needs time be spread. But what I’m thinking can’t all be expressed publicly.
Thank you all for offering this processing of your experience of the ongoing horrors to the public: it is helpful and quite unique to hear you sharing how this is affecting your inner lives and what you are doing to attempt to cope
Thank you for sharing, each of you,,it is really important for many to witness and be part of this shared experience,,more thanks for your continued work in documenting that heinousness each and every day,,the rage and vitriol is so human
You're all brave ones speaking truths which help us deal with the brutal scenes and dystopian lies and frees us to be in solidarity with Palestine . Thank you.
Before this happened I've been out of activism for a few years. I feel so guilty that I haven't done enough prayers, activism, and awareness raising to help prevent prevent it all.
Everyone.who has a heart, feets helpless, yet guilty.
The animalism of violence
Towards little ones.... I can't
Comprehend how a human
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Incredible conversation! Thank you.
I can relate to all of this amd it tells me that more amd more people relate to my struggles amd we are all human. #freepalestine
Nora you are such a beatiful creature ❤
I share the same feeling you have!
It is traumatising to witness a brutal killing field unfold but it’s not possible to process anything internally because of the exponentially more horrific experience of those in the living hell of Gaza the West has created. And made worse by efforts to eradicate any safe space for discussion and the massive chilling effect being experienced.
Nice one guys, God bless you
This war has triggered so much anger, so much visual
Trauma, boiling PTSD, so many
Emotions. THANK YOU GROUP
because we feel helpless.
Especially watching these babies, ..... humans just
Murdered..... it's insane.
I've felt guilty feeling horrible because these people are experiencing it first hand. My brain can't un-see what I've seen but I need a way to break it down. I've started to feel like I've seen it so much that now I'm just used to it. My world just feels so much like a movie 😩
Thank you all so much, this was amazing!
Wonderful discussion as always... lots in there some of us can certainly relate to.
me too on John Kirby for sure
Humanity is, a practice not just our species & antidote too inhumanity.
Before gender, skin colour & ideology we're all human beings, divided into two groups. Humanity v inhumanity...we all choose a side, it's a question of perception & matter of practice. Thank you all, for being on the humane side of history. ✌🧡
Our Palestinian siblings have changed all of us, to the better. They have made us acutely aware of our humanity, our vulnerability as well as our strength, which will never equate their but still exists. They have opened our eyes to what really matters and made us able to clearly see the enemy, both without and within.
Thank you all for this discussion.
This is excellent. Wow! Thank you so much. Free Palestine 🇵🇸🖤🤍❤️💚
I feel the rage too
Its scary. Its hard to believe. But its reality. And we are powerful. Because God is with us. No one can defeat us. They can kill us, but never defeat us. We are way more powerful than them.
Free ppl have responsibilities towards this ugly dehumanizing and arrogance. Silence is complicity.
"Stay human." Vittorio Arrigoni.
"Our revenge will be the laughter of our children." Bobby Sands.
Their very b€$tia£ity is driving a recoil expansion of humanity.
Keep witnessing it for us. Your work is vital.
“I don’t know who I’m gonna be after this”… I think many people feel the same. You’ll be that beautiful compassionate woman you are, Nora, and I’m sure you managed to balance your rage towards the aggressors and gaslighters with your love for the victims.
It’s interesting to me to listen to all of you. I just found your channel. It feels good to hear your thoughtful observations about how you are feeling, even if a lot of what you are feeling is uncomfortable.
Your caring is what is important, and I do think that it is hard to be where you are at this time. It reminds me of how people would talk and relate to each other in the late 60’s and early 70’s, when the anti-war movement was very active. So much change happened because of the activism of that time and it seems that over the next few decades, the US populace and leadership, in particular, has sold out in many respects and the ripple effects are worldwide.
We seem to be crossing some sort of rubicon and those of us who are aware and feel empathy and pain for what it is going on in Gaza, are really scared and concerned about the state of the world. It is a sort of paradigm shift, in that the large scale murder of children is ongoing, but the powers that be are only giving lip service to stopping it, much less holding the perpetrators accountable.
It seems to me that the Israel project, as envisioned by the founders, has failed in pretty much all respects. The world now sees their racism and fascism and inhuman actions. How this will unfold is a big question.
My concern is the possibility of even more violence and the unraveling of systems that constrain acts of brutality. We live in a unique time in history, where technology allows us to bear witness to the fact that the barbarism that has haunted the human race since the dawn of man is not going away.
You are right in that it feels isolating and unreal to see how many people will not or cannot process the truth of what is happening, but change can come, if caring people continue to seek a path of peace.
thanks a lot for everything all of you shared in this conversation!
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I wanna give Nora a hug, I'm sorry she is sad
Thank you for your video!
I have lost myself. I can't find myself anywhere. I don't want to live in this world.
It is an awful world, lead by truly evil people, particularly in the West. But good people exist. The problem is that we always allow the sociopaths to become our leaders.
Do not get things twisted. This is not about us. Remember sweet Dunia. She lost a leg and her family to an IDF war crime. When interviewed she was sad of her loss, showed no signs of bitterness and sincerely aspired to be a doctor and help those in need. The criminal IDF martyred her as she recovered in hospital. We should share her hope and constructive optimism. In spite of it all we cope and we care because we must. Also, anger and empathy are not mutually exclusive. Happy holidays.
We have all cried in sadness for this young lady , And all that we hope for is the people who survive this genocide, that is becoming more like holocaust ! After all that they have sacrificed, is to be free of this Zionist nightmare !
I disagree that it's not about us, because, even from a distance it is about us and what our governments are enabling with statements like: "izrael is entitled to defend itself'. Genocide is not self-defense. It is wholesale murder.
This is certainly not about our suffering, but it is in part our failure
Happy holidays
@@nihluxler1890I agree, we bear our useless existence every day (at least for this, unable to help them) 😢
Yes....bottom line, facing the people who are actually pro-genocide AND those who are pro-genocide & actually doing it... in plain sight with full expectation no one will stop them......more confounding is the widespread view Palestinians are "a lesser people"......when/ how has that been the:narrative I have lived with for 79 years....and did not really recognise that....
I recognise it now...thankyou .
the fake fakestinians are not a lesser people.
They are actually NOT a people at all.
Just a bunch of Nazis, continuing with where the old Nazis left off in 1945.
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Jon didn't find the right therapist when he needed one. Jon has figured out a coping method, but I hope he finds a therapist he does really click with. We all need to
I could tell right away that Jon was given some programmatic, formulaic ptsd system-approved, who's-up-next shrink… but that ain't it. A good shrink meets their client where they are, identifying the individual, digging down from there. When you find someone who gets you, really gets you, that's when it clicks and where the real work gets done
The System is headed for change, systemic change is going to require sacrifice on a scale you can't yet imagine, and perhaps even after it happens won't be able to grasp. Buckle up as it is quite possible than none of us will get through it alive.
Many will survive. There will be peace. But yeah its going to be very hard before the peace.
Survive Nuclear winter, what's the plan?@@1goal1
"The destruction in the Gaza Strip is greater than the destruction in Germany during World War II."
Josep Borrell, Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.
Free free Palestine!
Everyone have a COVID-safe Christmas - ~20,000 Americans are in hospital due to COVID-19 this Christmas. 😢
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Thank you for holding the wonderful session. Do you have fixed times, live ?
I thought the suspicion raised was about the deep motives, motivations of those people who don’t have skin in the game like Arabs & Jews do. Requiring us to do the inner work to be able to do tge inner work to be able to authentically go beyond solidarity.
Non-combat NamVet ... it took my sense of humor for years to return.
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That was such a terrible war. These folk are too young to remember..... It's hard to accept that US foreign policy has wrecked so much more of the world since then
Jon Elmer!!!
Honestly, seeing how casually people in my own (leftist) family took this literal crime against humanity was by itself highly disturbing. They just would not call it for what it is. Even a month in, they still seemed to insist Hamas was the worst actor in this situation and kept repeating crap that if they heard about from any other states they would instantly clock as straight up naz! rhetoric.
In English we call it a paradigm shift. Those are all symptoms from a shift in consciousness. You don't need a therapist to sugar coat it with gibberish.
Yes, keeping innocent hostages underground for months with very little food shows the inhumanity of Hamas.
@@victormeidan1062you should start using your brain for once, before is too late
Im not an Arab or an a Israeli and I care very much. I noticed what Israel was doing to Palestinians back in 2014/5 after op protective edge. (stupid name for mvrdering Palestinians) I was so impacted by the horror of it, especially because I realised I had been programmed via society and education to only see Jews, (via the many Holocaust museums, books, movies) as victims only. As the most victimized people in history, ever.
I was angry and appalled at what I saw during that time. This time around its so much worse. Ive cried several times when seeing the videos of soul crushing loss and cruelty inflicted on the Palestinians. I am made so angry and rather scared by seeing other humans cheering on the murder of children. Hearing Knesset members call for genocide, Amalec, little snakes, human animals, all those awful words used to tenderize the public, to prime them, creating the dehumanization of Palestinians prior to their execution. So people wont care or be shocked. Its all planned out. So sinister.
The rules based system is over
I keep looking for slivers of hope, and I only find more horror. It is simply impossible to accept and frustrating to watch…..and yes I am so hurt and angry at my gov and the lack of empathy from powerful nations. It is infuriating.
I ask how is this possible? I wish we all could somehow be empowered to shut this evil down.
But we do not have any means, because we do not have a true democracy. In this we are all Palestinians, in our helplessness
and this creates guilt, because though I am helpless, I am safe!
I am fed! I have care! They are left with nothing but extreme hostility,
fear, etc etc, and I think this is also a message to me. I am suppose to accept that this is just the way of the world! Huh!
They want to desensitize us and make this the new norm. And this is unacceptable. How dare they!
We must find a way to strengthen the voices of a free people and to empower us to act. What Biden is doing is so unnatural that it stops us in our lives, it gives us pause to see where this society is going!
Can we scar ourselves with this realization that our society must change? We cannot continue supporting such a system. But the other side just might be a bit more brutal than we could handle.
And this too is horrifying.
We must search for solutions in these very dark times, instead of losing our faith.
Fuck yeah! #sumud
Unless a person has experienced this type of horror themselves, human beings haven't got the response mechanisms needed to deal with this.
None of us carry the tools necessary --- we have never seen anything so hateful and disgusting as this is.
I'll admit I question if all of this is being used as a wày to dull our feelings and normalize this violence and horror because after Gaza, there will be others to come.
We are being prepared
No, I'm not paranoid! I'm looking at history, 9/11, recent wars in the middle east, the millions of homeless in our streets, mass poverty, the fall of past Empires and thinking that somehow this is all connected.
We're all children of God, who resides in heaven. When we eventually grow up & understand "The Kingdom Of Heaven IS Within You" belief will be redundant, for we shall Know God.👊💫
Remember the past, plan for the future, but live for today, because yesterday is gone and tomorrow may never come
I am completely discusted that biden at the u.n. raised hand to continue this ( theres not even a name for how terribly horrendous this is.)
Perhaps now for a far greater number of jews in the diaspora the reality of Israeli apartheid, continuous barbarity and ethnocracy has finally become apparent. For me this genocide and the failure of the Western powers even to call for a ceasefire has proven to me the absolute moral depravity of our leaders. These people can not be regarded as anything other than sociopathic in their indifference to the suffering of the innocents of Gaza.
Let's take a simple example. If the Yellow Vests in 10 days have gathered 3 to 5 million people, including 3 million on a single account. It is quite possible to gather 100 million or more in a year, and so on. And have your own internet network, both a vertical and horizontal steering group. By limiting the action to a strictly political level of respect for the rights of a group of people concerning the policy of a particular country. By respecting a precise framework for intervention, which must remain generalist, excluding particularist excesses. Does a country like Israel do anything at all? The 100 million choose companies around the world that encourage unhealthy attitudes, until the country lets go of the exactions.
I don't believe I WILL EVER FORGIVE ISRAEL, or my own AMERICA !?.... THE GASLIGHTING ! these politicians do, is so damn insulting, what's worse ?
I believed in my President. I
am shocked !
There is a solution, but it must be found before the problems arise, and on a strictly political level. We can't just cry and express our feelings all the time. That's all very well, but it's not very effective. Business must revolve around at least three rules: respect, not taking oneself for who and what one is not, like the father of the nation; discipline, without which no one gets anywhere; and efficiency, we're not here to have fun or waste our time and the little money we barely have. This can be an international affair, based on these three principles, by creating a group of citizens who are electorally organised and ready to support each other across borders. Today's technology makes it possible to do this in the twinkling of an eye, if the will is there. We saw this, in part, with the French Yellow Vests, which brought together 3 million people in 10 days, except that they lacked a permanent structure to bring the three principles together and ultimately succeed. In short, there's no denying it, it's numbers that determine everything else, but it can't do it without a head or steering, without an organisation, including a provisional or rotating one.
The elephant in the room is gov't run by donors.
The Book of Revelation 2:9
Cjbbooks also goes into the history of why this is going on and their plans.
“not fit to shine my shoes”: that was an interesting choice of words. Recalibration,
dissidentification, decoding, marking, parasocial: do these psychobabble terms actually help anyone or even mean anything?
When a therapist says “right” after every three sentences , run !
This is what happens, over time, when political sociopaths are afforded adult status in that society. Political sociopathy; a willingness to do harm for the sake of opportunity, social capital, hierarchy, profit and/or pleasure. We fail to challenge the myth that the laws of nature are conducive to the laws of creating a healthy society and that the toleration of political sociopathy is not conducive to achieving optimum health of a society. Society is a social construct attempting to utilize specialization to enhance provisioning. All governance of a society will degrade into sociopathy at rates determined by the tolerance for political sociopathy in policy creation/ adjudication/ enforcement, also the adherence to a best practices policy that operates from the principal of the general welfare of all and the whole simultaneously, then there is the quality of its consensus seeking/building practices and its adherence to a fullness and accuracy of documentation of policy creation and implementation.
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BULLSHIT.