How to Frame a Van + Kreg Pocket Jig + Bed Bump Out Part 2 //Ep. 5 DIY VAN BUILD
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- In this episode of our Van Build Series we conclude framing the van by finishing the horizontal pieces we hadn't in Part 1 (Make sure you check that video out if you haven't already). We then finish up measuring for the vertical framing that we affix to the horizontal pieces with pocket screws, after using a Kreg Pocket Jig. All the framing members are covered in Kilz Premium Primer which is used to seal the wood from any mold or mildew damage that could be caused by the moisture in the air due to respiration, cooking, and certain heating sources. One of the last steps in framing our van was figuring out how to make a bed bump out to give us more room to sleep width wise across the van.
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Not many DIY van builders post videos using or even use rivnuts and bolts. So glad I found your videos.
My main goal was to make videos I wish I had while researching my own build. I hope they can be useful! Glad you found us too! 😊
Glad you mentioned applying mildew resistant to all furring strips. I have not seem others doing this.
Adding a thin layer of foam behind the furring strips is so smart instead to attaching the furring strips directly against the metal ribs.
With all the moisture that comes with van living, I thought it was an important to protect in that way. I am surprised not many others include it in their builds. It takes more time and the investment in the primer but I feel was worth it!
I knew (correctly assumed) exactly what you were doing when all of the lumber was taken out
Not very common but I felt it was worth the extra work
Wow! It’s really so much work.. p.s. Matt your voice is perfect for narrating videos or books 📚 you should be reading books live..
😂 You think? I wonder how I can make money doing that🤔
Agree with Susan, such a great voice for narrating I'm jealous! Also great tip about leaving your pencil marking visible when doing cuts. I always do that now after cutting a few too short on my first go and wasting that wood possibly. Also very jealous of your Kreg jig. That one is badass! I also learned from you to make sure my drill is set to low for these. Wish I saw that before splitting a few parts of our wood LOL. As always, meticulous job Matt.
It's funny because I'm not as big a fan my voice when I hear it😂 The other funny thing is all the tips I give are also my screw ups during the videos 🤣 I hope they help those DIYers who might feel they don't have the skills to do it themselves. And I'm glad someone who's videos I've learned from previously can learn from mine too! 🙌🏼 😊
Awesome video!! We are just getting started on our framing. I like how you left a gap for the shiplap between the ceiling and the wall framing. We never thought of that!! We may do something similar :D
Thank you! It seemed to work really well for us when meeting the seems. I ended up using construction adhesive for where the small pieces meet in the metal for some added security. I'm sure there are many ways to do it, I just did what seemed to work best while in the moment.
nice build so far, luvin the steezy beats too
Thanks so much!😎
Hi Matt. Do you have video, directions or pics on how you built the bump out frames and insert? I'm not seeing it and yours seem to be the easiest design. I'd love to see. Thanks
At the end of this video I talk about using construction adhesive to add framing members to the wall of the van. If I were to do it over I would maybe have tried to build an insert with 1/2 ply or figured out the framing differently since there was some slight warping on the outside of the van. Our wall video is where I finish out the bump out. I added shiplap to the framing. Just cut to fit in the space. The bed section is bumped out just enough for me to sleep on my back at 5'10"-5'11". Let me know if you have other questions
Hey guys, two questions.
1. How did you run the shiplap behind your headboard when the framing is on the same beam? Would have expected the vertical members to be on the back edge of the headboard to keep the shiplap in the same plane.
2. How did you box in the vertical structural columns. Looks like you framed around them and planned to finish them later. I couldn’t find your video on this. Great build and avid follower. thx for sharing. Mike
Thanks for following along, Mike! Glad they can be enjoyable enough to keep you coming back!😎
The shiplap in the bed area is attached to the 2x2s I had attached to the walls of the van with construction adhesive (I will say there is some warping on the walls of the van if you were to follow this approach). I racked my brain for a good while trying to figure out how to set the wall back in the bed to save some inches since I am right about 5'11". The 2x2s sit further back than the framing attached to the structure on the outsides. There currently is a gap there I will fill in during the finishings stage. As for the two columns (at the door, above our counter and at the drivers side crew window) they are still exposed. I plan to try and incorporate a cover using the M8 attachment point. I've been waiting to see how the pull out pantry goes before tackling it. As well as tiling the kitchen area to incorporate something into it. Not sure if that was the best way to go about it but that's where I'm at😂
The build is pretty much caught up with real time other than installing a Webasto heater (which should be the next video) and placing the bench in place. Still need to work on the doors for it, a back piece, and of course the pantry to make it finished.
Hope that helps! Let me know if you have other questions! Thanks for your support! 😊
I cannot thank y'all enough for these videos! They have been so much help! Quick question- what length were the 1/4-20 screws you used?
I'm very glad you can find them helpful! It really depended on what piece of wood it was holding so that there was enough bite through the plus nut. I want to say most of them where around 2.5". I needed longer ones for the 2x6 head and foot boards.. The back of the plus not is hollow so as long as you don't have one too long to hit the metal of the van you'll be good. Just don't go too short
Hi Matt! I'm really appreciating the detail you put into your van build videos. One thing I'm struggling with is a good method for framing out the ends of my ceiling. Where did you attach your framing members for the end of the ceiling closest to the driver/passenger compartment?
Thanks for that! I'm glad to hear they are worth putting the effort into! In the back of the van I'm hoping to make a frame that connects to the metal piece but haven't yet. In front I pulled down the headliner pins and was able to put a furring strip like the ones for the rest of the ceiling in there. But because of the angle couldn't screw the boards into it. Luckily because of how thick our boards are they stay pretty firm without anchoring. But I also just got a Milwaukee 90 degree angle drill bit so I might follow back up with some screws in the near future. One problem though is it lowers your headliner the distance of your furring strip and ceiling boards width. Hope that helps. Reach out on Instagram if you'd like to see photos or just bounce ideas. It would be cool to see your build too🙌🏼
Haha Sorry for all the questions, I’m starting framing now. I noticed you may have used a 1 by 3 for the front passenger side horizontal strip?
I used 1x4s for all horizontals and 1x3s for the verticals. Goodluck with the project!
What type of insulation are you guys planning to put in.
p.s Love the channel ( liked each video and subscribed)
Thanks for the support! I'm glad to hear the videos are well received! That's actually going to be this weekends video😊 We went with Havelock Wool insulation. I know insulation is a very hot button topic in the van life community. Wool seemed to be a good choice for a natural product that does well with moisture and also sound dampening. It's also very easy to work with!
Great! Looking forward to the video
Like your videos!
Question on the bolts you used. Were they hex head that you fastened with a ratchet? If so, how did you get them to be flush with the surface?
Thanks!
Thank you! I hope they can be helpful.
I ended up using flat head machine screws so they had a Phillips head I could use a screwdriver with. They seemed to work really well. I'm not always a fan of Phillips head since they can strip easier but the stainless steel was very solid and I never had an issue. I had lost used the top the drill to widen the hole to make them flush in it
Hey there! Great videos. Really appreciate all the documentation and tips! I was wondering what bolts you used to fasten the struts and bed frame into the plus nuts? Flanger Bolts? Did you use a paddle bit to sink the bolts or some type of flat head bolt? Thanks so much and good luck!
No problem! I'm glad they are helpful! I ended up using stainless steel flat head machine screws. I completely forgot to add that I used some loctite blue so they couldn't vibrate out but could still be removed if ever needed with hand tools. I ended up just boaring out a little with a larger bit. I don't know why I haven't bought a counter sink bit yet. Lots of projects that could use them 😂
Definitely reach out if you have other questions! There was barely any info I could find for framing and it all was different. This seemed to work really well. The only thing I might do different is spanning the gap from the ceiling to walls. But it seems to be doing the trick with what I ended up doing.
@@Trailvagabonds Hey guys! Follow up question here: Seeing as you've put up your ceiling already did you consider placing some type of furring strip at both ends lengths of the van ceiling for the roof shiplap to attach to (right above the overhead storage ahead and at the end where the backup camera wiring is) ? Or is the shiplap well attached with the furring strips that you've placed on the existing ribs in the van ceiling as it is? I'm about to put my ceiling up and curious to know if you think of it as necessary. Thanks!
Hey man! I did put in a strip above the headliner during insulation/electrical but it seemed out of place to include with the video. I didn't end up anchoring or shiplap boards into it because they were solid with that last framing piece. I might try and figure something out when we are closing the headliner up but it seems pretty solid and doesn't rattle when driving.
As for the back, they boards do hang down a little bit. I plan to make a trim piece to cover the exposed metal back there and want to make sure that it supports those boards. It's not an obnoxious bend so I haven't been too worried to finish it yet.
Do you have Instagram? Reach out to us @trailvagabonds if you want to chat more freely on that. I love talking through these things
@@Trailvagabonds would that be 1/4-20 screws? What length(s)? thanks!
That is a very nice van. What year is that? And is that a 159'' wheelbase?
Yep! A 159" 2019. Check out our intro video😊
Hi Matt...I'm stoked watching you build your van... Last November I ordered the exact vehicle, including the black steel rims and other options like dual swivel seats. It was delayed due to Covid but apparently went through final inspection June 17th so it should be leaving Mexico any time for Canada. I've been all winter collecting components to do the build. How many cases of Kilmat did you use & have you noticed an appreciable difference, to justify the cost of installing it? Thanks Rob
Hey Rob! Congrats! That is extremely exciting! And great choice on the color 😎!
We used a single box of 36sq ft 80ml. It didn't allow us to fill every space but it did a good job of helping, you could really tell when talking in the van or driving. We decided not to do a 2nd box because we also used wool insulation which is a great sound dampener in itself. We figured saving money for another project was more important.
Have you found that the upper vertical pieces that are only pocket jigged on one side are strong enough for your cabinets?
I made sure my cabinets were all screwed into the framing that is attached to the van into the plus nuts. The vertical pieces more so hold the wall boards. If it's the ones at the top that meet the ceiling, I did also put some construction adhesive on the top notch piece.
@@Trailvagabonds Thank you! We have rewatched your videos multiple times and they have been so helpful in our build. Starting on framing the walls and ceiling this week, here goes nothing!
No worries! I'm glad they can be helpful! Congrats on the dive into diy building! 🙌🏻 You got this!
Did y’all paint the wheels or are those stock black? I wanna change my stock silver color to flat black... any advice would be appreciated. I wonder if it’s cheaper to just buy new steel wheels or power coat the stock wheels ? Thanks!
We got them as a $50 up charge through the dealership. I would check with a Ram Dealer or Mopar. It may be cheaper than having them powder coated. May also be able to sell the ones you have too 👍🏼
@@Trailvagabonds okay awesome, thanks !
Goodluck! It definitely steps up the look of the van for sure! 😎
@@Trailvagabonds I agree, it looks so much better
hey, curious how yout trasferrred your hole pattern of the plus nuts onto the framing members, for the ceiling pieces
For those I just eyeballed it and drew a line across the board with a sharpie where the plusnuts were. I took some adjusting to the holes, widening two of them to get it to fit. Someone told me painters tape down the rib, mark the holes, then apply the tape to the board to drill the holes. Maybe a way to do it?
@@Trailvagabonds mm makes sense, I’ve seen a couple methods, the tape one sounds good. Jason Klunk has a cool one with construction paper templates, I know u can also use hanger bolts to make a little pokey hole. I figure other than the bed frame, it doesn’t really matter if the furring strips are perfectly straight anyways. Your method of drilling through the strip and the metal at the same time seems like the quickest way.
@@danielkopaee9241 I've seen someone use play dough super easy and perfect holes
@@juliec5309 haha I’m really having troubling viszualizing
did you just eyeball the m8 bolts as well?
I did. With a rough measurement to center it on the board
What did you do around the headliner? It looks like you've got a board close to there--did you cut anything?
I ended up putting another framing member like the other ceiling ones we made. I drilled holes for where the light clips had stuck into that rib. Only problem is I could not screw the ceiling pieces into it since they are at a bad angle /not enough room for the drill. I did just buy a 90 degree drill bit so I will probably follow up on it. Currently the ceiling is hanging loose. I did not cut anything in the headliner. I'll have to see how it will be attached or if I will have to cut something
@@Trailvagabonds thanks for your response! Great content btw
@@jessicanadalin7146 No problem! 🙌🏻 Glad you like it! Hope it can be helpful 😊
What kind of bolts did you screw into the Nuts? Did you counter sink them?
I used stainless steel flat head machine screws. I counter sank them by drilling the holes out a little bit so they'd lay flush with the wood. That way anything connected to the strapping would have full surface contact
@@Trailvagabonds
Like your videos and explanations!
Did you use hex head bolts and, if you countersunk them, how did you get your wrench/ratchet to tighten below the surface of the wood?
Thank you! I hope they can be helpful. I ended up using flat head machine screws so they had a Phillips head I could use a screwdriver with. They seemed to work really well. I'm not always a fan of Phillips head since they can strip easier but the stainless steel was very solid and I never had an issue
Kerf the boards u want to bend into place.
Valid option. The three pieces worked out well but bending one would have worked perfect too. Thanks for the tip!
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Is she ok ?
Katie from working so much? Who do you mean?
This vid is so dark, can't see what you are doing. Just put a light in the van for the vid please
I've tried to document my build to the best of my ability. Maybe try adjusting the brightness on your screen in the parts you feel you need to see that are too dark? Hopefully that helps you see what you are missing in those moments