Swans Legend, Adam Goodes, declines Hall of Fame offer | AFL 360
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2021
- AFL 360 co-hosts Gerard Whateley and Mark Robinson were left heartbroken at the news that Adam Goodes has turned down the offer to be in the AFL Hall Of Fame and believe it is a hurt that will loom over the AFL for a long time.
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Adam was a great AFL player I had the pleasure of being able to see. More importantly he's an articulate and passionate leader in the indigenous community and I genuinely wish him nothing but success in the future.
He should be in hall of famembruh
Couldn't be happier for Goodes, the AFL failed him and essentially ruined the late part of his career.
And now they want to use him as promotion.
Exactly. They didn't even apologise until 2019. Disgraceful.
Every football loving person knows Adam Goodes was an out and out champion of the game, Adam has nothing more to prove to anyone. He doesn't need recognition in the HOF to prove how good he was as a player, his principles are more important.
Exactly
What has Goodes given back to the game?
100%
@@22ab8 R.U. Serious, he played 372 games that entertained millions of people. You obviously have no idea what sacrifice a player makes to play one game let alone 372. What have you given back to the human race?
@@williamporter8355
Geez Billy, keep your Shirt on Mate, Im sorry I didn't realise Adam had been elevated to a position of Sainthood!.....
So apart from Saint Adam, what other Aboriginal players deserve a mention As Well.
Love the way you polish Adams Halo, good job, Billy.
True legend is Adam Goodes. Disgraceful how he was treated, and how the likes of Wayne Carey get a free ride in the media while such a good man/great player gets pelted
great call
He was a sook
Adam Goodes is an absolute hero and he is absolutely entitled to tell the AFL to get stuffed.
Hero?? Lol he can get stuffed for what he did to a little kid
@@sonnyjiim5239 how about the things he had to go threw his whole afl career ????
@@jayz3616 if things you mean the booing yeh it was harsh I was at a few of those games it doesn't make him a hero
@@sonnyjiim5239 he is up there with the best aboriginal players to ever play the game
@@sonnyjiim5239 get that chip off your shoulder. Bring positive to this world like goodes
He was an amazing footballer,single handedly got the Swans over the line in some big games,legend.
If you have found yourself here. After all this time. Lets give a like to Adam. Truly a great of our game. He may not accept the hall of fame, but he will always be remembered. Go GOODSEEYYY!
People have that thinking because they themselves don't really care about football either. It's just a piece of entertainment that fills a few hours during our week
Robbo is right about the current AFL bosses.
Spot on. As time goes on they will be seen as the morally deficient cowards they were. Time tells. It doesnt heal.
Look I love Adam goodes and he was an absolute gun and yes he has every right to tell the AFL to jump of a cliff as he was treated like a second class citizen but at the end of the day he as a man must find solace before it destroys him let's hope he is doing well lots of love and respect to Adam and his family.
Maybe he just doesn't want to. Not about any extreme emotion.
The AFL is like any other organisation: they'll say a lot of the right things but will choose what is most expedient behind the scenes. He doesn't feel like being a party to an advertisement for the game.
We all he's one of the greats: two Brownlows and two premierships. He doesn't need further accolades to validate his worth as a player. This was more important for their image than for his.
I booed Adam Goodes I was even there that night when the young girl made a racist comment. There were fans who were calling him much worse and way more racist. He was dominating that night and he pretty much won the game himself against the pies. I had no time for him till I watched the documentary and I learnt I was wrong. The man is super impressive and the fans who booed got it wrong. He’s an outstanding individual
Good on you for recognising that you were wrong and addressing that.
I booed him because he was a little Sook
If all the Fans were these Racist Hicks, Why weren't all the other Aboriginal Players being booed?
As a kid i always thought that people booed him because he was a great player.
A man of his words and actions.
What a great player, I remember in 2012 at the SCG giving Gibson(who I didnt know at the time) plenty at the ground when he was playing on Goodes, really loved watching him play. Unbelievable player and I hope we all feel we let him down by(goodes the legend) making him feel like that when he was doing what he loved!
@Mick Wilson coward
@Mick Wilson Im always prepared to truly help people like u, I just wonder where the hatred truly comes from mate? I wish you all the absolute best by the way!
Really?
And what exactly has Goodes given back to the game?
To date Nothing it appears!....,
@@22ab8 Every time the ball was bounced my friend.
@@LeafWasp
You have absolutely no idea Pal
Stop naval glazing
The AFL misread the whole situation by even approaching Adam with the offer of HOF status and need counceling for opening these wounds further that will never close.
I thought the AFL handled this very poorly at the time.
Is this bloke for real? Get over yourself you didn’t get booed because your aboriginal or for racist taunts, you got booed because it threw you off your game. If you were smart you’d go and except the award and explain racism during your speech
Adam, I think you're wrong to decline it. You thoroughly deserve to be in the Hall Of Fame regardless of any past issues. Please change your mind and receive what you truly deserve.
The ALF didn't apologise to him until 4 years after he quit. They didn't support him then why should he help them with promotion now? I agree he deserves it but the AFL doesn't deserve him.
@@LH-vs6hl Promotion? Promotion of what?
Its about the players, not the AFL promotion. He should be there. He needs to be there. no questions, no ifs no buts. just accept it Adam and then you can better promote your causes with a higher standing in the game!!!
@@jacintaedwards1123 And the AFL gets no promotion at all right? If he really wanted it he would go. Obviously he doesn't want it enough to go.
He already has a name and high standing that's known through AFL therefore he doesn't need anything else to help him promote his causes. Everyone already knows his causes.
@@LH-vs6hl Oh well, you make it sound as if I'm against him? I am not getting into what's happened in the past. I have my own personal views. I just thought Adam accepting the honour was a great thing for him personally and another Hall of fame inductee for his club. I'm not getting into whether anyone ix responsible for apologies either, everyone see's it differently. I sent Adam a personal message on Instagram and I hope he changes his mind at some point because he deserves the honour. By the way I am not racist, I judge each individual on merit and attitude. Anyway, I have a right to express my opinion here.
People love trolling and provoking outrage. It gives them life. And there’s also a % of the population that are sociopaths and evil and racist. The media should stop giving them energy and including them in “mixed response” analysis without context.
@@TMoney76 Bullshit, we were playing it for years without them.
Get behind him everyone!
No thanks, I'm my own man.
@Johann Pretorius Like.a petrol station.
Lots of people get booed?
Goodes engaged with the crowd as well, he shouldn't have in hindsight, cause in the end he couldn't handle it. Happens to a lot of stand out players!
This is what the AFL is doing to our game. Money money money f111 the players. Reality is sad but truth hurts. I hope he never accepts f the AFL
They did not protect him agaist rampant racism, why should he accept their induction of him in to the hall of fame?
You want to talk about players who were racially abused on and off field, let’s talk Robert Muir & Nicky Winmar. Adam Goodes you where a sensational player but the way you handled yourself when getting booed, it wasn’t because you are an aboriginal it was because you where damn good, it also put you off but mostly the way carried on about it. Heaps of players over the years have been booed who are champions of the game including Pendlebury on ANZAC Day does that mean it was racism then NO.
When anyone is getting racially abused whether verbal or objects such as bananas that’s 100% not on but booing has been going on since before any of us alive today where born.
Disliking this crap show. Please don't talk about my favourite player this way. Maybe instead, bring up his highlights, talk about the good times. Stop bringing this irrelevant news up.
We remember him for his talent, his skill, how humble he was on and off the field. He had a natural ability not many could match in his time playing. Classy Adam Goodes.
Go practice you bow and arrows Adam + take Harry O with you maybe between the 2 of you a standard AFL life might come out of it for both of you. As no one is bigger than the game ever!!!!
Just say your racist.
Racist
Not Racist just dont like the direction both of these players took the AFL one at the end of his career the other one well after he retired!!!!!
@@RoseysMagpies yeah it was completely racist comment, go away and have think and try and do better
@@RoseysMagpies yeap racist and you can’t even see it , sad
What’s a hof offer?
Australian football hall of fame.
Its unfortunate as Adam was one of the best. I think he has made a mistake in not accepting the hall of fame honour for future indigenous players. He may now have put some racism back towards him and the indigenous players in the game now. I wish him all the best and carnt fathom what he went through but he could have put a lot of things to rest by accepting it for the future.
How would that effect the current aboriginal players negatively? If anything this will change things for the better.
@@Hehawtyragu Not so sure. Like i said i understand why he doesnt accept it for his own personal reasons and what he went through but to stand up their and accept that he was a great player and show his strength for the current indigenous would have a more positive affect to a delicate situation.
@@darryl1755 surrendering to an organisation that treated him poorly for a number of years would be the worst thing he could do, teaching the young ones that the AFL is ‘god’ so to speak would be a travesty. With this action he’s teaching them that they can stand on their own for what they believe in. I’m sure he accepts he was a great player without bending over
@@Hehawtyragu Im not in it for the argument but our views are slightly different on the approach. I suppose we will see how it all plays out. Just hope it all plays out for a better future.
@@darryl1755 Whoosh….straight over your head.
You ‘still’ don’t understand that the racism Adam Goodes endured for 3 years straight was appalling yet you expect him to just forget it. Accepting the HOF induction would’ve sent a message to younger aboriginal players that what happened to Adam was acceptable.
Nothings changed, look at the news about Hawthorn in the last few days, young Aboriginal players enduring the same bigotry and racism, appalling, in fact its shameful.
I’m a new AFL from the uk. Why didn’t he want any part of footy after retirement?
Unfortunately Ethan, Adam Goodes was horribly treated, with racial vindication’s for the last four years of his footy career for standing up for himself when a young girl called him an ape.
Many people treated terribly and journalists such as Andrew Bolt were vicious towards him. Many crowds started booing him, but I bet many people didn’t really have an excuse for it. I particularly remember when my own team WC fans were booing Goodes, an shameful day for our club.
If you can, I would recommend you watch the documentary The Final Quarter to get a more educated opinion on this.
He was a bloody big sook who had a cry when people didn't fall for his BS. Don't get me wrong, he was a fabulous player and I really enjoyed watching him play. Unfortunately, he let the racial debate creep into his psyche. Nicky Winmar copped plenty too, but he handled it with class and remains one of my favourite aboriginal players even today. Anyone who plays professional sport cops plenty from opposition fans and players, it comes with the territory.
@@daviecrockett2272 So do you think it is alright to "cop it" on racial grounds?
@@troyedwards8100 Is that what you think it is? I see a guy who stirred the pot and got scalded. Gary Ablett Jr copped it for 2 years, is he having a sook about the nasty crowd?
@@daviecrockett2272 Ablett got booed for a couple of games. But again, even if not the case, do you think it is alright to "cop it" on racial grounds?
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Adam Goodes should've accepted the honour of being inducted into the hall of fame. It's a shame that a few rotten eggs have corrupted his legacy and his connection with the AFL. I think most people would agree that they loved watching him play and we want to celebrate it! Yes, there has been wrong doing to Adam by the AFL failing to act sooner on the racism toward him and others...But to decline this privilege is causing further division and it really doesn't help our community move forward. It's really important for our future generations to believe that we can live and function together. This clearly sends the opposite message. The media will never speak their true opinion on this matter either out of fear of repercussions on the status que now and will just respectfully accept his decision.
Gillian McLachlan has already taken steps to diversify the game by driving the AFLW into the spotlight and backing indigenous players like Eddie Betts who have also been racially abused. Hopefully he can move on and help the community rather then hinder it. Yes those scars might not heal completely but he is removing the possibility of something far greater then an individuals struggle...
Read Mathematics comment to see why he was booed. Nothing to do with racism.
Adam booooooosssss!
'Vendetta'
good.
I'm sorry the game of football was good to Adam and he made a living off the public....
The majority of his career the public treated him well and with respect..... but in life you always get judged on the 1 or 2 bad things you do.....
In closing Adam Goodes was and is a superstar and it's sad he feels the way he does because if you did a survey 99% of people respect him but again nothing like the minorities destroying it for all.
Obviously goodes feels the few jeers far outweigh the years of cheers..I bet I'm not the only one who has little sympathy for him
Just say you're racist.
oh well....
Shame they bood him, every body feels emotional pain..it must b hard on him..nothing is worse than excruciating physical pain..
You can be a positive leader and do positive things or do what Adam goods does!
In my mind Adam Goodes tarnished his own reputation at the end of his career. I liked him for the first three quarters of his career but that changed due to a number of factors.
Adam Goodes on the football field did a lot of dogs acts that he never had to pay for. He never got rubbed out for games for the things he did on the football field. I don't like Joel Selwood for the same thing. I see Joel Selwood do dogs acts that the commentators gloss over as being "Tough" whereas if it was someone else doing half the things he does, they would be trying to get them suspended. So part of my not liking these two players is they got away with dogs acts that other players don't get away with. So on those grounds, it really isn't so much Adam Goodes' fault.
However other things Goodes has done on the football field don't sit well with me. I am in no way a Carlton Fan, but there was that game where Sydney are winning by around 70 points halfway through the game against Carlton. Sydney is playing a home game, so the ground is full of Sydney supporters. Adam Goodes celebrates a goal and decides to direct his war dance at the few Carlton supporters at the ground. If he wanted to do a war dance in good taste, why not direct it at his team mates, or at the other 99% of the crowd that are Sydney supporters at the game? Again he had the right to do what he did, but that also gives us the right to not like him for doing that. Any other player doing something similar to opposition fans would at the very least get fines for those actions.
Then there was the time where the young girl called him something she shouldn't have, and he reacted by pointing her out and going to the change rooms making a huge focus on the girl. This in itself seems horrible and many will call what he did noble. I am not so sure it was noble. What people forget to mention is the CONTEXT of that whole week that led to this game.
That week was the indigenous round. The theme around that week was memorising what a great impact Nicky Winmar's courageous act showed (we all know the iconic picture of Winmar pointing to his skin colour that started the movement). There was a lot of talk that week about the huge significance of Winmar's actions. Adam Goodes even posed in front of the cameras during the week, in the same pose Winmar had done all those years ago.
Then in that same week came the game where the young girl called Adam Goodes something she shouldn't have. Goodes then points her out and goes to the change rooms. Now the ramifications could have been great here. First it was a young girl. That young girl ended up getting harassed on social media from this. Imagine she suicided over this? Once recognizing it was not an adult that said this to Goodes, a better way to handle the matter would have been to just bring it up in the media after the game highlighting that we all still have a lot to learn and need education. This would have been if he was really trying to help the girl or society in general.
However I believe given the buildup to the week that Adam Goodes wanted his "Nicky Winmar" moment. He wanted a moment that future generations would look up to.
Like all of us, Adam Goodes is not a perfect person and makes mistakes. However actions such as these are ones that will not make the public like you. To make matters worse, people then call others racist because they don't like one player and this makes things much worse.
So it was things such as these which made me and I am sure a lot of people not like Adam Goodes. I don't feel that way about any other Aboriginal AFL player. My favourite player growing up was Maurice Rioli, and he was the only player I ever had a poster in my room of. I enjoy watching the past and present Aboriginal players of all teams, and like them all, and how they handle themselves on and off the field. So does that make me or any other football fan a racist for not liking Adam Goodes?
fair enough
you made some good comment, but there was some incredible stupidity in your post as well
Got to be one of the dumbest and most ignorant comments I've ever heard
He was a great players, but the boos werent racist. They were because of how he acted, not his skin colour.
Dhead comment
The offer should never be made again to him.WE are offended.
Goodes was an absolute elite player, deserving winner of the Brownlow medal, all his other game achievements and deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. However, to say it was "partly racial based" is just flat out media pish posh. Everyone must tow the liberal line and race must be a reason for every slight and misdeed. There were 77 Aboriginal players in the AFL at the time (possibly a few more non causation - i best not say black) and Goodes was the only one being booed consistently. If the crowds were so racist why was Goodes, a highly decorated 300+ game legend with 2 Brownlow medals the only one targeted?
I'd suggest people who think what happened was racist should look deep inside and see if they're not hiding something they wish to recompense.
Maybe 2020 should be the way the AFL takes the game forward... No crowds, no feeling, no emotion and of course no hurt feelings.
The whole Goode's affair is a drama created by him and lapped up by the media.
He will be back once his name loses some weight.
How so? Please explain
Bruh
Nah. Sorry. He didn’t get booed because of his color.
He got booked because he stood up to racial abuse
Hall of fame is hardly missing out
From a dual Brownlow medallist, 2 x Premeirship player, 4x All Australian. You must have a smooth brain.
What a great opportunity for Goodes to take the moral high ground, graciously accept the award, and help race relations in the AFL move forward. Instead, he’s being the race baiting whinging sook he’s always been, perpetuating a racial divide which I think most would agree is much smaller than what he thinks. Sad but not unexpected.
Just say you're racist.
I am racist.
What did Goodes say?
If he accepted the award he would have been ridiculed
I'm not surprised he was booed, I never thought it was a racist booing, but just booing a champion opposition player who provoked supporters (especially when he did that dance - probably better suited to ceremony, not celebrating a goal at opposition supporters). Plenty of good players copped it regardless of colour. There were too many boos for them all to be racist, I'm just taking a positive view that not that many ppl have those kind of backward views.
I watched Goodes his entire career and I never saw the behaviour you're referring to. Is there a game where this happened. The Carlton game with the dance was after the booing
I'm glad. He is a skid mark on the game... A legend of public embarressment!
Just proves he is a sook, Adam be the bigger man and let it go, easier said than done.
How is that being a sook? Explain yourself boomer, please say something that won’t make our generation hate your generation anymore please!!!
@@Hehawtyragu I'm 34 and part aboriginal
@@WillyWanka what’s being ‘part’ aboriginal got to do with it? You didn’t even answer the question
@@Hehawtyragu I speak from the ingroup of aboriginals that he is a sook, so I can't be racist or a boomer. I loved the crowds booing him
@@WillyWanka what tribe are you from? How can you speak for all aborigines when you’re ‘part’ aboriginal and not even an elder in your community, you’re telling me you encourage people to boo a fellow aboriginal for being aboriginal? Appalling.
Goodes is dead right ,
No way was the Adam Goodes issue racially based. That narrative may suit Adam but he needs to take some responsibility for his own behaviour during that time
Moron
Your comments are so dumb. Mate the guy was verbally abuse all over and afl didnt do anything to help him.
He got booed because he taunted the opposition after goals, not because of race, smh.
When did this happen? Watch Goodes's whole career
Actually, he taunted because of HIS race. He's the racist.
What are you lot smoking? He use to be called names by ignorant fans calling him chimp all the time. Like that racist little girl in the crowd he famously called out during a game.
@@raspanda8123, there’s far larger racism going on with the war on whites. You buying into the Government’s propaganda isn’t going to win any points with me. You probably don’t even know what’s going on with whites in Africa at the moment, that’s how far they’ve got your brain hooked.
@@carletonclements4931 What does that have to do with black fellas playing Aussie rules?
As a (Melbourne based) Sydney supporter, a couple of lies need to be cleared up.
Goodes wasnt booed out of the game. He was basically finished in 2014 as a player, but was one of our better players in the catastrophic 2014 grand final and got another year. That led to Tim Membrey leaving for more opportunities (much to the chagrin of some swans fans currently)
Secondly, I attended almost every VIC swans game for Adam's entire career, including watching him in the reserves in 98 (or 99) at Arden street and while he got booed later in his career so did a lot of our good players. Barry Hall would get booed every time he touched the ball. Franklin gets booed everytime he touches it. I am sure Ablett jnr would get booed. Dangerfield gets booed all the time.
This whole thing is BS and I am sorry that Adam's great career has been ruined by this complete nonsense. Especially because so much of it comes from people, like Robbo, who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
Goodes and Betts act like it only happens to them. Ive never heard a player cop it more than Steven Milne
@@realcrunchy6572 At least that all disappeared when Milne played a local footy game for Emerald few years back. No booing at all. Everyone just enjoyed seeing a great player up close at grass roots level.
The irony here is astounding. Robbo is talking to people like you. No wonder it's all flown over your head
“I’m a person telling another person that their experience didn’t happen even though I have no way of coming to that conclusion” lmfao
Hopefully Goodes read this one day and realizes he was mistaken, we can only pray that happens.
People booed his character, not his skin colour. He made it about race. Very sad situation and sad to see him reject HOF but he is a sook. Plain and simple.
Ignorance is bliss
Boooooo
Sadness, who cares
“Hole in footballs soul”....give me a break.
Then you don't understand what he did for footy that's one of the greatest of all time
@@keatesy_
What He did for Footy?......
Really?
What came first, the game or Goodes?
Without the game there would be no Goodes!...
Everything Goodes has IS because of Football....
Let Goodes fade into the Past!.
Goodes will never measure up to:.....
Lockett, Matthews, Ablett x2, etc...
Goodes is selfish , with a big chip on his shoulder.
@@22ab8 his the greatest black man to ever play noone comes close, we're all just abit salty he said no to Hall of fame his allowed to its his legacy not the afl. The man would of been great at any sport. Hating him because his black or because he was better then most isn't a reason to hate his a legend if he was white we wouldn't be so salty abblett SR sure but his career his done just as much as JR both great players but Adam played everywhere and was the best at it
@@22ab8 you say his selfish but why because he doesn't wanna be in the hall of fame no it's his legacy his rules
@@22ab8 It takes emotional intelligence to acknowledge moral courage. You aint got it mate. Lets leave it there. Your comment said more about yourself than it does about the greatest indigenous footballer to pull on a boot.
Once a sook, always a sook.
Just say you're racist
@@LH-vs6hl Another sook. Go have a cry.
@@Rooftop_gaming Why would I cry about a racist being racist?
Adam who??
Dual Brownlow medallist, 2 x Premeirship player, 4x All Australian..The list goes on, so you know Who. Who are you? A freaking nobody internet troll.
@@stavio12 Typical woke reaction. Automatically resort to name calling right from the start. Oh...and on the list of yours that goes on...and no doubt, on and on, you left out "whinging race baiter".
@@TombstoneHeart The automatic response was to list Goodes achievements then call you a name. Learn to read smooth brain.
Great player.. painting every one with the racist stick because they boo him was a joke. He was booed for his actions on the field , diving ,playing for frees etc to say there wasn't racist intentions is also stupid as there's alot of stupid and uneducated dickheads our there.. hence the spear throwing up roar. It was at an indigenous round geez,at the end of the day goodes is a champion, pretty sure he would be in the swans hall anyaways.. we have to respect his decision.
When did he do that?
is he drunk?
Adam was so hungry , he thought it was a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you!
Give me....
Syd Jackson
Michael Long
The Krakouer Bros.
Eddie Betts
Derek Kickett
Jeff Farmer
Polly Farmer
Barry Cable
Etc Etc....
@Lats Niebling Probably because Goodes called out a 13 year old girl for calling him an ape
@@broann4138 He couldn’t handle a 13 year old saying something ignorant to him? That’s pretty much all 13 year olds do. Regardless of content that’s just pitiful.
@@milkwalkerjones633 you forget long, Winmar etc...
@@milkwalkerjones633 racist comments are pitiful?
He had a chance to build a bridge and chose to divide further. Unfortunately, no surprise.
The guy couldn't even walk around the MCG because of the way people like you acted and you're still criticizing because he wants nothing to do with you. Take a look in the mirror
The way crowds acted towards him had nothing to do with him being black (plenty of aboriginal players never got booed) and everything about him being an arsehole. It’s as simple as that.
@@funkyseefunkydo9622 He wasn't an asshole and nothing he did could ever deserve the humiliation you lot inflicted on him. You are shameless.
Pretty rude imo, footy gave him everything.
No his one of the people who put black football players on the map probably the greatest to do it
And he gave a lot back in return what's your point?
boo
Virtue signalling sook is Goodes....His compulsion to politicize everything is cringe-worthy.
He left the game on worse terms than anyone. Have some empathy.
Great footballer but he let himself down by picking on a 13 year old kid who made a mistake and that stupid spear dance to the carlton fans- Hey Adam get over it.
Ok. How did he know her background.
And it's embarrassing that you don't know the boomerang dance, taught to all afl indigenous players, and performed at international competition..... Dumb ass
Picking on a 13 year old who said a terrible comment she deserved to be picked out and shamed that wasn't a mistake she knew wtf she was saying disgusting that you would defend such a comment no wonder why most teens be outta control
I guess he should have asked her age first right. Did you watch his conference after? He was very protective of her but I guess it's easier to write the one liner than recognise any level of nuance
@@deflow22 at what point did he see her birth certificate?
He was lining up for a goal...
Omg your stupidity is amazing
@@deflow22 Typical lefty seeing children as fair game, I bet there were grown men saying things just as bad he should've made a big deal about them instead of the 13 yr old girl.