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Manga and Anime are the same thing. When the anime I'm watching ends, I go find the manga it was based on and continue from there. ;P Also Saddle Club reference... nice.
Timestamps to come back to: 0:00 Intro 2:46 Sakuraco Ad 4:20 Emakimono 5:35 Choju-jinbutsu-giga 10:40 Sharebon and Shiji no Yukikai 11:17 Manga meaning 11:54 The Japan Punch 13:35 Kamishibai 14:52 Sazae-San 17:35 Tezuka Osamu early works 22:03 Kimba 24:30 Astro Boy 26:52 Phoenix 29:16 Shoujo and Jojo-ga 32:00 Sailor Moon 35:13 Yaoi 38:30 Yuri 40:34 Nagai Go 43:50 Saito Takao 46:46 Umezu Kazuo 49:40 sports manga 50:43 Second Golden Age of Manga 51:12 Third Golden Age of Manga 53:50 Conclusion 56:19 Conclusion pt 2
@@XxX__GAMER__XxX yeah i agree but i thought at least the fans of trash taste would want to watch this, at least the viewership on this video is less than what joey gets in his second channel videos
Joey's audience doesn't really care for history lessons. He's built an audience more in tune with internet culture. He should stick to the gimmick videos about prostitutes, twitch and eating foreign foods. Most people who would be interested in the history of manga would be pretty quickly turned off by his zoomer humour.
the feeling of hunting down anime in your favorite comic shops, video stores, and comic conventions in the 90s was unlike any other. such magical times.
Joey the editing and the style and even the corny humor in this video is so peak! I love how you just baited me into watching an education video about manga and made it so much fun that not once did I break away my attention! Please do more of these high quality and lengthy videos, they’re so much fun
@@shantiboomj i wouldnt call them deviants, but such behavioral alterations happen due to multiple factors; mental disorders, character predispositions, difficult family situations, bullying and overall abuse, etc..
Social isolation often plays a significant role in turning people into readers. For instance, I began reading when I started middle school. Without many connections there, I found solace in books like PJO and other genres.
Thank you for not forgetting shojo! So many videos like this just skip over shojo’s importance in the manga/anime industry and I loved hearing a little of it mentioned! Overall loved this video!
ppl: He's not making anime videos anymore so let's stop asking Joey: Makes an actual manga history retrospective ppl: It's a miracle! It isn't what we exactly asked, but it's a miracle!
I saw that Dengeki Daisy panel in your background Joe! 29:56 So happy to see it included, even if not mentioned verbally. Can’t tell you how excited I was to see it. It is my favorite shojo that still doesn’t have an anime. I laughed out loud at that scene behind you. Just wanted to say thanks for showing it. It doesn’t get much attention that I see anyway. Thanks again Joe 🎉❤
I was hoping for a mention of Lupin the 3rd.. For a 57 year old franchise (and still ongoing mind you) Lupin was the series that revolutionized the seinen genre as a whole - both for manga and anime.
I guess for the sake of brevity he chose Golgo 13 from that period since it's still going on. He could've delved deeper about the gekiga movement both Lupin and Golgo stemmed from though. I recommend the autobiographical manga "A drifting life" from Yoshihiro Tatsumi, one of the important creators from that time, it's only 2 volumes long but covers a lot of events, mangaka and their works.
Manga just has such an incredibly fascinating and long history! My life has never been the same since discovering this beautiful and powerful art form which has just some of my favorite stories ever told not just in the medium but just plain in general! Kudos to you Joey for providing an excellent summary of its history so far! :)
I finally got to a point where I was satisfied with the anime/manga I've read and started actually watching the seasonal anime that comes out. But now you reminded me of all the old manga I've forgotten I wanted to read and introduced titles I've never heard about, thank you for that. Great video, I definitely enjoy this format.
Okay, I was scared you were going to skip over all the early history based on the thumbnail, but you covered it quite in depth given the (relatively) short length of this video. Great job Joey. :)
Great video! While I did know most of it already, this video certainly helped putting some of the early pieces together. Would love to see more content like this, maybe even more in depth analyses of specific genres, like what titles and writers inspired a currently succesful series? Every manga fan should visit the Manga Museum in Kyoto. Not even so much for the museum itself (dare I say Joey told the history of manga here in more detail?) but more so as a huge library with thousands upon thousands of manga. Even if you can't read Japanese (I can't), just browsing the endless shelves and flipping through random manga gives you so much more appreciation of the incredible variety of this medium. And well, they do have a section with foreign languages, but certainly limit yourself to those. And while in Kyoto, it's not that far to Takarazuka for the Tezuka Osamu Museum...
YMS made a 3 hour video proving The Lion King did not rip off Kimba the White Lion and that everyone saying it did has not actually watched Kimba and is only saying it because everyone else is saying it. In fact, most of the panels and clips used by people to try and say it's true come from Kimba media that come out AFTER The Lion King, which would mean it's the other way around, if anything.
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More than just Disney films (which did play their part) one of Tezuka's biggest earlier inspirations was the Donald Duck comics by Carl Barks. Barks' influence in the comics sphere (both in American comics and manga) is one that's unfortunately still understated. Elements like Tezuka's character design, his experimentation with panel layout, and the masking effect (the mix of characters drawn in a more cartoony style with background and objects drawn in a realistic style that is so very common in manga today) are elements he pulled from these duck comics and made his own. (So, yes, anime eyes are a byproduct of Donald Duck). Obviously Tezuka was still a massively important and influential genius in the world of comics in his own right (I'm a big fan of the masterpiece that is Astro Boy), but when covering the history of manga I think it's important to bring up Barks's work and influence (especially since you claimed some elements of the manga style were absent in western comics when they originated in duck comics).
He did not just say that id he? The famous big manga/anime eyes were taken straight from Bambi. Also Shin Takarajima was basically plagiarized from Mickey Mouse Phantom Blot.
Manga in the way we think about it literally came from Euro American comics. The Japanese received publications from America in the late 1800s-1900s. The idea of audio visual media, like comics, didn’t exist prior. There were stories with narration like fairy tales, but the concept of character to character dialogue in sequential storytelling came from Euro American comics. It accompanied the invention of the phonograph. We take for granted that people understand the concept of speech bubbles by default. Originally they did not, as this concept was invited by Euro American comics. These comics were imported to Japan and some were called “American Manga”. “Manga” originally didn’t mean specifically comics. It roughly translated to mean “sketch”. Westerners have a very narrow view of manga and its origin. However, there is a reason that speech bubbles and sequential storytelling translated from one culture to another. It’s not because Americans and Japanese had the same idea but just happened to be in different places when they had them. No, the Japanese wanted to “modernize” and adapted a lot of Euro American culture to include language, dress and media (comics). This thought and connection to ancient scrolls is not accurate as they don’t reflect what modern manga looks like. The bridge is the import of Euro American comics which set the format for what we know today as manga. These comics include Donald Duck by Carl Barks, yes. However, there were others like “Bringing Up Father” that was popular and predates Donald Duck. Tezuka was influenced by this comic as were other artists before him. Americans try to understand but overlook a lot, perhaps the most important transitions. You can fact check my comment. It may open your eyes to the subject.
Tezuka had a combined influence from Disney, Superman, Popeye, and Mighty Mouse amongst others. Astro Boy is called “Mighty Atom” in the original Japanese to English translation. “Astro Boy” was used because it sounded better at the time in English translations due to the bombings in Japan. “MIGHTY Atom” took inspiration from “MIGHTY Mouse”. Notice the name similarity, the red boots and posing while flying. Tezuka was inspired by Popeye and Disney, having a bizarre looking Mickey and Popeye appearing in some of his early manga. What strikes me is how no one mentions “Bringing Up Father” which was a comic that was popular globally. Sazae-San and Tezuka’s work, especially early took influence from Bringing Up Father. You can look at the character designs in them and see the influence clear as day. Especially the use of the rounded circle noses, the style of formal dress of the characters and the humor. Take a look at it and see for yourself the comparisons. It’s rather interesting.
Loved this new style of retrospective video. I think it'd be awesome if you made similar videos like this that can go more in depth into certain topics like a single series or mangaka.
thank you, i was so disappointed to learn that joey weren't familiar with it. Even funnier because Joey probably didn't even watch Kimba in its entirety considering the alleged rip off comparison use multiple footage from different Kimba series, even ones that came after Lion King to make their case.
@@StonerWeebThere's no evidence that the creators thought they were remaking Kimba. If you look into this topic it's clear they're not related in any way. But I really don't blame you for thinking that since it's a very common misconception. Highly recommend YMS's Kimba video if you are interested!
The Manga Man RETURNED!! P.S. Apparently, the reason manga is darker than cartoons is due to the mindset of the Japanese post-WWII and their increased awareness of death and life. Additionally, many early manga and anime had Western settings to divert the world's attention from Japan's war crimes while trying to create a better image in people's minds.
I'm Japanese, but I think this opinion is different. First of all, before World War II, even before manga became popular, many Japanese stories were dark. I think this is due to the nature of Japan, which has continued for hundreds of years. Also, the westernization of Japanese manga has no such intention at all. In the first place, at that time, we didn't think that our manga would sell all over the world. If you were to force it, you could say that they were trying to trick each other into feeling guilty, but that's not the case either. The first generation of postwar writers (Osamu Tezuka, Hayao Miyazaki) expressed their opinions about the war in many works. This is a Google translation, so I'm sorry if it's hard to read.
@user-tn9ln7dd6x First I am sorry if I offended you by mistake, I will try to speak objectively and clearly, What anime covered was Japan's perspective in the war, citizens mostly, at least thats what I have seen, but it didn't cover any of the war crimes done in china, phillipines, korea obviously, which is what I'm talking about here In 1990s japan had an economic crisis, so it used western settings in anime and adapted western books into anime, in order to gain attention world wide, and it worked well, as well as intentionally or unintentionally it diverted people's attention from Japan's past war crimes I might be completely wrong, if I turn to be wrong I am sorry, but I think its a plausible theory
Thank you for your reply! It is clearly understood that the "war crime" is Japan's colonization of Asia. And it's true that anime doesn't pay attention to its own country's war crimes when it covers politics and war, and I also think that's a problem. However, your idea that the direction of genre and content is changing in order to "turn away from foreign eyes" is clearly wrong. I think this is too much of a consideration from a Western perspective. The history of Japanese manga and anime is simply that each artist created a mountain of works, both bright and dark, that slowly gained fans around the world. . I can safely say that there is no perspective on how Japan should be shown to foreign countries (until ten years ago, most people had no idea that their work was being seen overseas). Therefore, I think that what you read from watching Japanese anime and manga is nothing more than an unconscious reflection of the general Japanese political views, and there is no need to go out of your way to make a theory out of it. Sorry it's so long!
hard disagree, it's not just Japan, a lot of children's work from Europe like Moomins, Peter Pan and so many fairy tales are mature and occasionally darker than what we think of as appropriate for kids... basically, I don't think Japan is different, I think it's just America/Britain that are uniquely pearl-clutching (it's the puritanical influence IMO), children's fiction isn't darker in Japan, it's lighter and more vapid in the US
really enjoyed this video. I'm liking longer format videos lately where the creator takes dedicated time and effort and provides quality content that both educates and entertains. thanks Joey!
Series with large cultural impact are not necessarily prioritized over those that seem likely to have the best financial return on investment. A good amount of the golden age of American comics are officially out of print as well.
@@U1TR4F0RCE yeah that's super true, but it does make me wish for a publisher that did a Kickstarter sort of project that would only publish a certain amount of pre-ordered copies. At least that way something is being printed. Oh well, the alternative is to learn Japanese and buy those used volumes lmao.
Fantastic vid Joey, I'm a 53 yr old Aussie who grew up in the north-west (Pilbara) town of Dampier and only had 1 T.V. station in the 70s and 80s; the ABC. Consequently I grew up with the Astro Boy and Kimba cartoon shows (also Monkey; great Chinese culture influence btw!!) so it's awesome seeing you give credit to some of the (rare Aussie shown) Japanese culture O.G.s!! My older brother watched Prince Planet in Melbourne before I was born (I'm the first Sand Groper in the family), you should look up that one for it's historical importance if you don't know it. Although I have no idea what the show is actually like, it was one of the first anime to show outside of Japan apparently. Thanks again for your great work. PLEASE do more of these types of vids, SO interesting. P.S. - when I studied Impressionism (1991) we were told that the impressionists were majorly influenced by the Japanese wood-block prints coming out of Japan at the time (late 1800's into the early 1900's). Japanese art directly influenced European art all through the 1900s and now more than ever with the bloom of Anime and Manga internationally. Maybe a vid on Japanese art/style on European/British art would be something you're interested in? (any art btw, not just the gallery high-brow shit). Cheers mate! :)
this video is really interesting and honestly i prefer it to the rest of your content. hopefully it gets some more views so that you consider doing more stuff like this
Such a beautiful video. Manga and anime has such a huge impact on my life and art journey over the years. And I’ve also gotten into making comics/manga of my own and with friends! I’m still learning, it’s rough, and going to make mistakes, but I love every second of it. And the books on my shelves are being filled with more manga than anything els. That’s why my Unico pfp means so much to me. It hit hard at a time in my life where it truly comforted me. As an artist it’s truly inspiring and I hope to make stories and characters that others can love and appreciate as well💖
I've been waiting for this kind of content. Manga literally influenced the lives of many people, thank you for letting us know the entire history of manga. TheAnimeMan the GOAT
Joey should know the Kimba controversy is hyper-exaggerated with many false claims. People just didn't do their research or they just wanted easy views.. YMS already made an extensive analysis why this happened and the truth is not actually that controversial and it's actually even weirder, cause the famoulsy compared shots are actually copied by Kimba not Disney. I also want to state that I said this for the truth, not to defend Disney
Not to mention, the storylines between Kimba and The Lion King were very different at its core. The Lion King was their take on the tale of Hamlet. But, I guess that doesn’t matter in the eyes of many.
Legitimate love this as someone that feels like avid anime fan and manga for years now that finally Joey/the Anime man himself made his own history video around manga explained
I've been watching you since the beginning and this might be your best video ever. I really hope you do more like this. I would love to see one for the history of anime and maybe even light novels in this style. You could also do some for Big publications like Shonen Jump or studios like Toei to show how they evolved.
fun thing, i found Golgo 13 through Warcraft custom maps, "anime hero arena" (or sum such) decided to look up all the chars i did not recognize and found this gem
Great video. One of the greatest that you have made. I wish you have Shigeru Mizuki but oh well. I would love similar video about some untranslated manga in future thank you
Damn, I think this is probably my favorite video from this channel, the editing was amazing and Joey looked like he was having a lot of fun! Great video man
Wow fantastic video dude! If you have the will to do another project like this I’d love to see one on JRPGs or Light Novels or Visual Novels even. These Doc style vid is definitely really interesting props for the hardwork that’s went into this
The writing in this video is so darn good. I loved how you took us through the multiple eras with their own respective, GOATED artists of those eras. Thanks a lot Mr. Mang- I mean, Anime Man!
There are plenty of interesting and historically important topics that you overlooked in this, like pre-WWII manga like Norakuro and lots of others (which influenced Tezuka to be the way he was), or mentioning how groundbreaking Ishinomori Shotaro, Mizuno Hideko and Yokoyama Mitsuteru (despite Tetsujin 28-gou being mentioned) were to manga. The gekiga movement and the Garo magazine, the origins of battle shounen manga in things like Astro Boy, Ashita no Joe, Astro Kyuudan and Ring ni Kakero before Hokuto no Ken... but overall, that's a nice video to introduce people to the general landscape of the history of manga, and it was pretty fun to watch as usual. I'd love to see more in-depth videos on manga here
I'm loving the new format. Especually since the surging of many Booktube *getting* into Anime and Manga and so they are starting where you started. (I'm not upset, I'm actually extreamly happy for the shift as now Manga is starting to be seen as a ligit form of reading now due to it.) But I can't help but realize I cringe at the mistakes and misunderstanding of context a few times xD where I find myself in the comment section correcting and giving a bit of an insight of the context. I had to clarify some jokes to Phillip Chase (Dr. Fantasy) and Murphy Napier as to the "why" and also a bit more of having that conversation differently. But now they both adjusted to the medium thanks to One Peice and Vinland Saga of all things. Murphy is now even gone as far as read all of Dragonball and Dragonball Z within two months, Is waiting for the next installment for one peice. And let me not get started with Gavin from Gavian reads everything reading whole entire box sets of Manga within weeks One peice ones included. As to where to go from here that may work with this new format, I think it would be fun to see the actual history of some of the more nuianced genres. But if you want to take a break from a history video, maybe a video talking about certian themes in a span of mangas and why they're used so much in Manga?
TLDR; addressing the BL genre part of the video and the mistakes in it. (time: 35:10) This is not a hate-comment, its just me making sure the very little exposure people get to the genre isn't a misguided one. As I did actually do a lot of research into this. Was surprised it started off with yaoi's origin considering that was technically not the start of BL (it was Shounen-Ai Kaze to Ki no Uta or for those who wanna go even further back: Sunroom Nite) but I get skipping the details of shounen-ai in 70s since well... its problematic. Its fine to call BL as a general term ''yaoi'', even though in its origin it is a sub-genre technically since it specifically refers to doujinshi BL stories or unpublished stories. But due to not clarifying properly it will end up confusing the audience on the difference between yaoi and BL. The sequence of events in terms of genres is: Tanbi literature genre -> Shounen-Ai (70s)-> JUNE/yaoi (kinda happened around the same time) (80s)-> BL (90s) Shounen-ai is not the same as BL within Japan even though we in the West use it interchangeably. It refers specifically to 70s manga in Japan. Tanbi is not a BL sub-genre, this is literally like calling Shoujo a BL-sub genre, yes they are related but to call it a mere sub-genre is not right. It is a literature-genre in Japan about aestheticism that might include LGBT-elements but is not solely about that. Within China it did get adopted as a BL-only genre though with the term ''danmei'' which is probably why its nowadays seen as solely BL. To be fair there is very little info on tanbi-literature genre within Japan online but just look at Junichiro Tanizaki's work (a wellknown tanbi-genre writer) to know that it wasn't all BL. A lot of tanbi was gay tho, we can thank among others Mari Mori and Yukio Mishima for that. The picture used for the JUNE example is Doukyuusei. Which was not published in JUNE as far as I know, which makes it not JUNE since this label refers to a magazine that featured comics varrying from shounen-ai to modern BL with specific tropes. A JUNE story would also have specific tropes of tragedy and aestheticism borrowing from literature a lot. Doukyuusei, as far as I know, doesn't have the characters die tragically of heartbreak with a nice background sunset for example. That one book mentioning specifically the comics written by the 24 Year Group as ''exotic and pendantic and difficult to understand.'' did so because this specifically refers to Shounen-Ai which is basically all vague tragedy and lowkey traumatic storylines about European boys that are usually either already dead or on their way to being dead (See: The Heart of Thomas). Its a genre that lost popularity once alternatives arrived for good reason. I hope this clarified some things.
Well alright then pop tf off Joseph The Manga Lad this came out of nowherre lol. Stellar video though! The green screen use was excellent, there was a good mix of comedy and education, and it's obvious how excited you were to make a video like this! I just watched (and rewatched) Pluto and had been going down the manga history rabbit hole a bit so I'm glad you dropped a large recap like this to have a better look of manga history overall!
Wow, I loved this video. I want to share it everywhere so that even people that are not into manga yet or only know them superficially can have a grasp on the whole thing. That's a very good compendium, neither too specific nor too superficial
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should've been "MANGAMAN"
josh the manga lad is here
Manga and Anime are the same thing. When the anime I'm watching ends, I go find the manga it was based on and continue from there. ;P
Also Saddle Club reference... nice.
Let's be honest.
Saint Seiya is the number one manga/anime and no one can convince us that that's not true.
Cool
Timestamps to come back to:
0:00 Intro
2:46 Sakuraco Ad
4:20 Emakimono
5:35 Choju-jinbutsu-giga
10:40 Sharebon and Shiji no Yukikai
11:17 Manga meaning
11:54 The Japan Punch
13:35 Kamishibai
14:52 Sazae-San
17:35 Tezuka Osamu early works
22:03 Kimba
24:30 Astro Boy
26:52 Phoenix
29:16 Shoujo and Jojo-ga
32:00 Sailor Moon
35:13 Yaoi
38:30 Yuri
40:34 Nagai Go
43:50 Saito Takao
46:46 Umezu Kazuo
49:40 sports manga
50:43 Second Golden Age of Manga
51:12 Third Golden Age of Manga
53:50 Conclusion
56:19 Conclusion pt 2
Hakuna matata~
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10:32 WEEEE
>Writes a whole 10m+ scroll
>Refuses to elaborate further
>Leaves
Based
HE'S FINALLY MAKING MANGA CONTENT
fucking hate how this is not performing as well. i hate youtube
was about to say the same, could not believe that it has this low of a a view count after three weeks
I was thinking the same thing especially with such a good idea
If you enjoyed it, that's great. Not everyone is interested in all of a RUclipsrs videos.
@@XxX__GAMER__XxX yeah i agree but i thought at least the fans of trash taste would want to watch this, at least the viewership on this video is less than what joey gets in his second channel videos
Joey's audience doesn't really care for history lessons. He's built an audience more in tune with internet culture. He should stick to the gimmick videos about prostitutes, twitch and eating foreign foods.
Most people who would be interested in the history of manga would be pretty quickly turned off by his zoomer humour.
So the first manga genre is essentially Slice of Life
Those nowadays newbies only shonen manga readers but hating on slice of life are clowns now
Sasae chan is now goated
Not wrong though😂
Yess
And since it's anthropomorphic animals, we could say it also counts as Furry/Kemono, so yeah :P
GOATED video dawg, you finally showed us your true identity of being The Manga Man. Instead of your persona as the supposedly "The Anime Man"
the manga lad
Best thing you ever made IMHO, absolutely topped yourself(and many others) mate!!
Clearly I'll watch an hour long video on the history of manga instead of finishing my half-watched animes 🤝🏼 True manga man follower
I was actually impressed with that ad read
It gave me recent Ludwig’s ad vibe
samE i actually didn't bypass lol
Bro did almost eat silica gel packets tho lol
No way. Joey actually making a video about manga and anime? The apocalypse is coming isn’t it
the feeling of hunting down anime in your favorite comic shops, video stores, and comic conventions in the 90s was unlike any other. such magical times.
And praying the manga was in English. I kept almost buying Japanese Naruto manga
Joey the editing and the style and even the corny humor in this video is so peak! I love how you just baited me into watching an education video about manga and made it so much fun that not once did I break away my attention! Please do more of these high quality and lengthy videos, they’re so much fun
I wrote my bachelor and master works about manga history, the eromanga industry and social isolation. Can't wait to watch this video!
Anything published we could look at or read? This sounds fascinating!!
I gotta go watch Sazae-san! This was a great video
@@KittRembo I wish you could read it, but both works are fully written in polish language
Actually curious what makes them such deviants
@@shantiboomj i wouldnt call them deviants, but such behavioral alterations happen due to multiple factors; mental disorders, character predispositions, difficult family situations, bullying and overall abuse, etc..
Social isolation often plays a significant role in turning people into readers. For instance, I began reading when I started middle school. Without many connections there, I found solace in books like PJO and other genres.
Thank you for not forgetting shojo! So many videos like this just skip over shojo’s importance in the manga/anime industry and I loved hearing a little of it mentioned!
Overall loved this video!
ppl: He's not making anime videos anymore so let's stop asking
Joey: Makes an actual manga history retrospective
ppl: It's a miracle! It isn't what we exactly asked, but it's a miracle!
This video is very gigguk in tone and comedy, and joey nailed the delivery.
The quality of this video is insane.
The video is so well structured fr. If this video gets picked up by the algorithm gods , it'll revive his channel.
@@fan4every1lol89 i haven't been following in years and it showed to me
except the point where he lies about Lion King being a rip off
@@xolotltolox7626 Well it was definitely inspired by it
@@PogMcDog not even close to true, but okay
I saw that Dengeki Daisy panel in your background Joe! 29:56
So happy to see it included, even if not mentioned verbally. Can’t tell you how excited I was to see it. It is my favorite shojo that still doesn’t have an anime. I laughed out loud at that scene behind you. Just wanted to say thanks for showing it. It doesn’t get much attention that I see anyway. Thanks again Joe 🎉❤
I was hoping for a mention of Lupin the 3rd..
For a 57 year old franchise (and still ongoing mind you) Lupin was the series that revolutionized the seinen genre as a whole - both for manga and anime.
I guess for the sake of brevity he chose Golgo 13 from that period since it's still going on. He could've delved deeper about the gekiga movement both Lupin and Golgo stemmed from though. I recommend the autobiographical manga "A drifting life" from Yoshihiro Tatsumi, one of the important creators from that time, it's only 2 volumes long but covers a lot of events, mangaka and their works.
Manga just has such an incredibly fascinating and long history! My life has never been the same since discovering this beautiful and powerful art form which has just some of my favorite stories ever told not just in the medium but just plain in general! Kudos to you Joey for providing an excellent summary of its history so far! :)
I watched this video backwards and reincarnated into an Edo period artisan.
I'd be tempted to take that life.
"Another motherf*cking isekai!"
-Joey
Is this an Isekai he forgot to mention?
MF got isekai'd as Hokusai/Sei Shoganon
Isekai ahh title
This feels so much like the internet pitstop ,which is a compliment because he imo has one of the best videos regarding anime culture .
I absolutely love this type of videos. A longer essay that's a good pause from endless social media scrolling
I finally got to a point where I was satisfied with the anime/manga I've read and started actually watching the seasonal anime that comes out. But now you reminded me of all the old manga I've forgotten I wanted to read and introduced titles I've never heard about, thank you for that. Great video, I definitely enjoy this format.
THIS WAS SO SO WELL MADE ABSOLUTELY SLAYED !!
The quality of this video is insane! Good work Joey
joey absolutely fucking cooked with this vid ngl
This is really great stuff Joey, maybe my favourite video you've made.
Okay, I was scared you were going to skip over all the early history based on the thumbnail, but you covered it quite in depth given the (relatively) short length of this video. Great job Joey. :)
Great video! While I did know most of it already, this video certainly helped putting some of the early pieces together. Would love to see more content like this, maybe even more in depth analyses of specific genres, like what titles and writers inspired a currently succesful series?
Every manga fan should visit the Manga Museum in Kyoto. Not even so much for the museum itself (dare I say Joey told the history of manga here in more detail?) but more so as a huge library with thousands upon thousands of manga. Even if you can't read Japanese (I can't), just browsing the endless shelves and flipping through random manga gives you so much more appreciation of the incredible variety of this medium. And well, they do have a section with foreign languages, but certainly limit yourself to those.
And while in Kyoto, it's not that far to Takarazuka for the Tezuka Osamu Museum...
Fantastic Video.
One of the best I've seen on the channel to date.
Really, very well done.
YMS made a 3 hour video proving The Lion King did not rip off Kimba the White Lion and that everyone saying it did has not actually watched Kimba and is only saying it because everyone else is saying it. In fact, most of the panels and clips used by people to try and say it's true come from Kimba media that come out AFTER The Lion King, which would mean it's the other way around, if anything.
This was such a fascinating watch, I would love to hear more manga/anime history explained from you!
absolutely LOVE the add read. longer form content like this is some of my favorite, ll grab a blanket and just tuck in for an hour. Editing on this was also really good, great work Manga Zone
More than just Disney films (which did play their part) one of Tezuka's biggest earlier inspirations was the Donald Duck comics by Carl Barks. Barks' influence in the comics sphere (both in American comics and manga) is one that's unfortunately still understated. Elements like Tezuka's character design, his experimentation with panel layout, and the masking effect (the mix of characters drawn in a more cartoony style with background and objects drawn in a realistic style that is so very common in manga today) are elements he pulled from these duck comics and made his own. (So, yes, anime eyes are a byproduct of Donald Duck). Obviously Tezuka was still a massively important and influential genius in the world of comics in his own right (I'm a big fan of the masterpiece that is Astro Boy), but when covering the history of manga I think it's important to bring up Barks's work and influence (especially since you claimed some elements of the manga style were absent in western comics when they originated in duck comics).
Betty boop as well had very large eyes
He did not just say that id he?
The famous big manga/anime eyes were taken straight from Bambi.
Also Shin Takarajima was basically plagiarized from Mickey Mouse Phantom Blot.
Manga in the way we think about it literally came from Euro American comics. The Japanese received publications from America in the late 1800s-1900s. The idea of audio visual media, like comics, didn’t exist prior. There were stories with narration like fairy tales, but the concept of character to character dialogue in sequential storytelling came from Euro American comics. It accompanied the invention of the phonograph. We take for granted that people understand the concept of speech bubbles by default. Originally they did not, as this concept was invited by Euro American comics. These comics were imported to Japan and some were called “American Manga”. “Manga” originally didn’t mean specifically comics. It roughly translated to mean “sketch”.
Westerners have a very narrow view of manga and its origin. However, there is a reason that speech bubbles and sequential storytelling translated from one culture to another. It’s not because Americans and Japanese had the same idea but just happened to be in different places when they had them. No, the Japanese wanted to “modernize” and adapted a lot of Euro American culture to include language, dress and media (comics).
This thought and connection to ancient scrolls is not accurate as they don’t reflect what modern manga looks like. The bridge is the import of Euro American comics which set the format for what we know today as manga. These comics include Donald Duck by Carl Barks, yes. However, there were others like “Bringing Up Father” that was popular and predates Donald Duck. Tezuka was influenced by this comic as were other artists before him.
Americans try to understand but overlook a lot, perhaps the most important transitions. You can fact check my comment. It may open your eyes to the subject.
Tezuka had a combined influence from Disney, Superman, Popeye, and Mighty Mouse amongst others.
Astro Boy is called “Mighty Atom” in the original Japanese to English translation. “Astro Boy” was used because it sounded better at the time in English translations due to the bombings in Japan. “MIGHTY Atom” took inspiration from “MIGHTY Mouse”. Notice the name similarity, the red boots and posing while flying.
Tezuka was inspired by Popeye and Disney, having a bizarre looking Mickey and Popeye appearing in some of his early manga.
What strikes me is how no one mentions “Bringing Up Father” which was a comic that was popular globally. Sazae-San and Tezuka’s work, especially early took influence from Bringing Up Father. You can look at the character designs in them and see the influence clear as day. Especially the use of the rounded circle noses, the style of formal dress of the characters and the humor. Take a look at it and see for yourself the comparisons. It’s rather interesting.
@@RodneyKing-kz3ym just looked at “Bringing Up Father” and it’s clear as day “Sazae-San” took major inspiration from it, the similarities are uncanny.
Amazing video, Joey, its incredibly well written and teaches us a lot of things in a fun way. You are a very talented content creator
Loved this new style of retrospective video. I think it'd be awesome if you made similar videos like this that can go more in depth into certain topics like a single series or mangaka.
keep making content like this, its great!
Josh The Manga lad finally talks about Manga
22:15 Correction: Disney did not rip off Kimba; it's a very common myth. YMS has made a fantastic video about this topic. Great video, though!
thank you, i was so disappointed to learn that joey weren't familiar with it. Even funnier because Joey probably didn't even watch Kimba in its entirety considering the alleged rip off comparison use multiple footage from different Kimba series, even ones that came after Lion King to make their case.
heavily inspired and production staff were under the assumption that they were remaking Kimba, so... fair use and transformative?
@@StonerWeebThere's no evidence that the creators thought they were remaking Kimba. If you look into this topic it's clear they're not related in any way. But I really don't blame you for thinking that since it's a very common misconception. Highly recommend YMS's Kimba video if you are interested!
Yea that segment was pretty annoying to see, when he gets the only topic I am familiar with incorrect, it undermines the other stuff he is saying.
Could you tell me what region and what era this myth is from?
The fact that this vid hasn't reached a 100k views makes me angry, this video is sooo good
This must be one of your best videos YET. I had a smile on my face from start to finish. Please continue to work like this!
My man Joey has learned from Garnt, this video in my opinion is a better format than your previous review videos. Keep it up!
Joey outdid himself with this one lol.
1 hour blew by and i didnt even notice.
Good job mate you have been killin it!!
This was impressive AND entertaining, well done!!
I really hope you are able to find success in this kind of format since it was such a fun watch! Keep on cooking, Josh the manga lad
This video was AMAZING !
Thank you for sharing it
just letting you know that the sound of you chain touching the mic is pretty noticeable. GREAT vid joey, enjoyed it!!
The Manga Man RETURNED!!
P.S. Apparently, the reason manga is darker than cartoons is due to the mindset of the Japanese post-WWII and their increased awareness of death and life.
Additionally, many early manga and anime had Western settings to divert the world's attention from Japan's war crimes while trying to create a better image in people's minds.
I'm Japanese, but I think this opinion is different. First of all, before World War II, even before manga became popular, many Japanese stories were dark. I think this is due to the nature of Japan, which has continued for hundreds of years. Also, the westernization of Japanese manga has no such intention at all. In the first place, at that time, we didn't think that our manga would sell all over the world. If you were to force it, you could say that they were trying to trick each other into feeling guilty, but that's not the case either. The first generation of postwar writers (Osamu Tezuka, Hayao Miyazaki) expressed their opinions about the war in many works.
This is a Google translation, so I'm sorry if it's hard to read.
@user-tn9ln7dd6x First I am sorry if I offended you by mistake, I will try to speak objectively and clearly,
What anime covered was Japan's perspective in the war, citizens mostly, at least thats what I have seen, but it didn't cover any of the war crimes done in china, phillipines, korea obviously, which is what I'm talking about here
In 1990s japan had an economic crisis, so it used western settings in anime and adapted western books into anime, in order to gain attention world wide, and it worked well, as well as intentionally or unintentionally it diverted people's attention from Japan's past war crimes
I might be completely wrong, if I turn to be wrong I am sorry, but I think its a plausible theory
Thank you for your reply!
It is clearly understood that the "war crime" is Japan's colonization of Asia. And it's true that anime doesn't pay attention to its own country's war crimes when it covers politics and war, and I also think that's a problem.
However, your idea that the direction of genre and content is changing in order to "turn away from foreign eyes" is clearly wrong. I think this is too much of a consideration from a Western perspective. The history of Japanese manga and anime is simply that each artist created a mountain of works, both bright and dark, that slowly gained fans around the world. . I can safely say that there is no perspective on how Japan should be shown to foreign countries (until ten years ago, most people had no idea that their work was being seen overseas). Therefore, I think that what you read from watching Japanese anime and manga is nothing more than an unconscious reflection of the general Japanese political views, and there is no need to go out of your way to make a theory out of it.
Sorry it's so long!
hard disagree, it's not just Japan, a lot of children's work from Europe like Moomins, Peter Pan and so many fairy tales are mature and occasionally darker than what we think of as appropriate for kids... basically, I don't think Japan is different, I think it's just America/Britain that are uniquely pearl-clutching (it's the puritanical influence IMO), children's fiction isn't darker in Japan, it's lighter and more vapid in the US
or maybe, it's white and black.
So good you doing this for people that only see anime from 10 years ago up to now. Great stuff and video.
Wow ok this came out of nowhere
really enjoyed this video. I'm liking longer format videos lately where the creator takes dedicated time and effort and provides quality content that both educates and entertains. thanks Joey!
I just wish more English publishers released Tezuka’s work. The fact Phoenix is out of print is criminal
Series with large cultural impact are not necessarily prioritized over those that seem likely to have the best financial return on investment. A good amount of the golden age of American comics are officially out of print as well.
@@U1TR4F0RCE yeah that's super true, but it does make me wish for a publisher that did a Kickstarter sort of project that would only publish a certain amount of pre-ordered copies. At least that way something is being printed. Oh well, the alternative is to learn Japanese and buy those used volumes lmao.
Fantastic vid Joey, I'm a 53 yr old Aussie who grew up in the north-west (Pilbara) town of Dampier and only had 1 T.V. station in the 70s and 80s; the ABC. Consequently I grew up with the Astro Boy and Kimba cartoon shows (also Monkey; great Chinese culture influence btw!!) so it's awesome seeing you give credit to some of the (rare Aussie shown) Japanese culture O.G.s!! My older brother watched Prince Planet in Melbourne before I was born (I'm the first Sand Groper in the family), you should look up that one for it's historical importance if you don't know it. Although I have no idea what the show is actually like, it was one of the first anime to show outside of Japan apparently. Thanks again for your great work. PLEASE do more of these types of vids, SO interesting. P.S. - when I studied Impressionism (1991) we were told that the impressionists were majorly influenced by the Japanese wood-block prints coming out of Japan at the time (late 1800's into the early 1900's). Japanese art directly influenced European art all through the 1900s and now more than ever with the bloom of Anime and Manga internationally. Maybe a vid on Japanese art/style on European/British art would be something you're interested in? (any art btw, not just the gallery high-brow shit). Cheers mate! :)
this video is really interesting and honestly i prefer it to the rest of your content. hopefully it gets some more views so that you consider doing more stuff like this
Ok this is a whole new format of video by you. I dig this. Keep it going.
Aye this is dope Joey
Such a beautiful video. Manga and anime has such a huge impact on my life and art journey over the years. And I’ve also gotten into making comics/manga of my own and with friends! I’m still learning, it’s rough, and going to make mistakes, but I love every second of it. And the books on my shelves are being filled with more manga than anything els. That’s why my Unico pfp means so much to me. It hit hard at a time in my life where it truly comforted me. As an artist it’s truly inspiring and I hope to make stories and characters that others can love and appreciate as well💖
One about visual novels would be very interesting :) amazing video btw🙌
I really love this video. Joey has come so far, I was looking though my photos today and I was watching him from 2018 maybe even earlier
The manga lad is back!!!
joey you knocked this outta the park. insane effort. excellent video. fair play.
Love this video! Love deep-dives and portrayal of history as bite-sized chunks
Dude, this is probably your best video yet! Great work, I will watch it reguraly💪
that was an amazing video
now we need the entire history of anime explained
I've been waiting for this kind of content. Manga literally influenced the lives of many people, thank you for letting us know the entire history of manga. TheAnimeMan the GOAT
Joey should know the Kimba controversy is hyper-exaggerated with many false claims. People just didn't do their research or they just wanted easy views..
YMS already made an extensive analysis why this happened and the truth is not actually that controversial and it's actually even weirder, cause the famoulsy compared shots are actually copied by Kimba not Disney.
I also want to state that I said this for the truth, not to defend Disney
Not to mention, the storylines between Kimba and The Lion King were very different at its core. The Lion King was their take on the tale of Hamlet. But, I guess that doesn’t matter in the eyes of many.
I'm glad others are bringing this up as well.
was gonna bring this up, go way up there pls
I know he isn't gonna respond to this or correct it in his video, but I appreciate you trying to put the truth up there.
Legitimate love this as someone that feels like avid anime fan and manga for years now that finally Joey/the Anime man himself made his own history video around manga explained
YMS did a good video about the kimba/simba comparisons
I'm glad someone else said this.
These types of videos are my favorite type of video!
You're missing the visible mic to give a video essay aesthetic and you'll be a Gen Z youtuber
If he ads skibidi accents and subway surfers underneath , plus make the video portrait, he can becomes a gen alpha youtuber
specifically a comically small mic like casual geographic
How do you not see the black mic on the white shirt??🤨
Yess
Especially a mic taped to a random object
I've been watching you since the beginning and this might be your best video ever. I really hope you do more like this. I would love to see one for the history of anime and maybe even light novels in this style. You could also do some for Big publications like Shonen Jump or studios like Toei to show how they evolved.
Joey this video was really well made man. Love this type of content, you should continue
The editing and work you put in on this video is amazing. Much appreciated.
one of the best videos on the channel
fun thing, i found Golgo 13 through Warcraft custom maps, "anime hero arena" (or sum such) decided to look up all the chars i did not recognize and found this gem
Great video. One of the greatest that you have made. I wish you have Shigeru Mizuki but oh well. I would love similar video about some untranslated manga in future thank you
This is your best video ever 🔥, I really love you man 👍
definitely enjoyed this! Great job man!
Damn, I think this is probably my favorite video from this channel, the editing was amazing and Joey looked like he was having a lot of fun! Great video man
You know you're a GOATed art movement when you can make a western mfs read from right to left.
No literally. I'm from the US and I lowkey struggle to read comic books because I got so used to reading right to left for manga as a kid LOL
Wow fantastic video dude! If you have the will to do another project like this I’d love to see one on JRPGs or Light Novels or Visual Novels even. These Doc style vid is definitely really interesting props for the hardwork that’s went into this
Keep up the awesome work and videos Joey love the video
it's pretty cool how manga/comic anime/cartoons, all kinda exist because of eachother. every creator ads their own piece.
Liking the new direction! Keep it up!
The writing in this video is so darn good. I loved how you took us through the multiple eras with their own respective, GOATED artists of those eras. Thanks a lot Mr. Mang- I mean, Anime Man!
Genuinely sad that no one is watching this
I am watching, worry not
170k ppl is no one?
It's no one in comparison to his other video's
It's nothing in comparison to his other video's
You are right though It is still A LOT of people
There are plenty of interesting and historically important topics that you overlooked in this, like pre-WWII manga like Norakuro and lots of others (which influenced Tezuka to be the way he was), or mentioning how groundbreaking Ishinomori Shotaro, Mizuno Hideko and Yokoyama Mitsuteru (despite Tetsujin 28-gou being mentioned) were to manga. The gekiga movement and the Garo magazine, the origins of battle shounen manga in things like Astro Boy, Ashita no Joe, Astro Kyuudan and Ring ni Kakero before Hokuto no Ken... but overall, that's a nice video to introduce people to the general landscape of the history of manga, and it was pretty fun to watch as usual.
I'd love to see more in-depth videos on manga here
Banger Video maybe next vid could be looking into lives of mangaka
I'm loving the new format. Especually since the surging of many Booktube *getting* into Anime and Manga and so they are starting where you started. (I'm not upset, I'm actually extreamly happy for the shift as now Manga is starting to be seen as a ligit form of reading now due to it.) But I can't help but realize I cringe at the mistakes and misunderstanding of context a few times xD where I find myself in the comment section correcting and giving a bit of an insight of the context. I had to clarify some jokes to Phillip Chase (Dr. Fantasy) and Murphy Napier as to the "why" and also a bit more of having that conversation differently. But now they both adjusted to the medium thanks to One Peice and Vinland Saga of all things. Murphy is now even gone as far as read all of Dragonball and Dragonball Z within two months, Is waiting for the next installment for one peice. And let me not get started with Gavin from Gavian reads everything reading whole entire box sets of Manga within weeks One peice ones included.
As to where to go from here that may work with this new format, I think it would be fun to see the actual history of some of the more nuianced genres. But if you want to take a break from a history video, maybe a video talking about certian themes in a span of mangas and why they're used so much in Manga?
Kimba is nothing like Lion King. I would love to see you argue the likeness. YMS did an excellent video proving this.
well structured and articulated. very nice. you should do the same thing but with anime and I guarantee it'll get triple the views
TLDR; addressing the BL genre part of the video and the mistakes in it. (time: 35:10) This is not a hate-comment, its just me making sure the very little exposure people get to the genre isn't a misguided one. As I did actually do a lot of research into this.
Was surprised it started off with yaoi's origin considering that was technically not the start of BL (it was Shounen-Ai Kaze to Ki no Uta or for those who wanna go even further back: Sunroom Nite) but I get skipping the details of shounen-ai in 70s since well... its problematic.
Its fine to call BL as a general term ''yaoi'', even though in its origin it is a sub-genre technically since it specifically refers to doujinshi BL stories or unpublished stories. But due to not clarifying properly it will end up confusing the audience on the difference between yaoi and BL.
The sequence of events in terms of genres is: Tanbi literature genre -> Shounen-Ai (70s)-> JUNE/yaoi (kinda happened around the same time) (80s)-> BL (90s)
Shounen-ai is not the same as BL within Japan even though we in the West use it interchangeably. It refers specifically to 70s manga in Japan.
Tanbi is not a BL sub-genre, this is literally like calling Shoujo a BL-sub genre, yes they are related but to call it a mere sub-genre is not right. It is a literature-genre in Japan about aestheticism that might include LGBT-elements but is not solely about that. Within China it did get adopted as a BL-only genre though with the term ''danmei'' which is probably why its nowadays seen as solely BL.
To be fair there is very little info on tanbi-literature genre within Japan online but just look at Junichiro Tanizaki's work (a wellknown tanbi-genre writer) to know that it wasn't all BL. A lot of tanbi was gay tho, we can thank among others Mari Mori and Yukio Mishima for that.
The picture used for the JUNE example is Doukyuusei. Which was not published in JUNE as far as I know, which makes it not JUNE since this label refers to a magazine that featured comics varrying from shounen-ai to modern BL with specific tropes. A JUNE story would also have specific tropes of tragedy and aestheticism borrowing from literature a lot. Doukyuusei, as far as I know, doesn't have the characters die tragically of heartbreak with a nice background sunset for example.
That one book mentioning specifically the comics written by the 24 Year Group as ''exotic and pendantic and difficult to understand.'' did so because this specifically refers to Shounen-Ai which is basically all vague tragedy and lowkey traumatic storylines about European boys that are usually either already dead or on their way to being dead (See: The Heart of Thomas). Its a genre that lost popularity once alternatives arrived for good reason. I hope this clarified some things.
Well alright then pop tf off Joseph The Manga Lad this came out of nowherre lol. Stellar video though! The green screen use was excellent, there was a good mix of comedy and education, and it's obvious how excited you were to make a video like this! I just watched (and rewatched) Pluto and had been going down the manga history rabbit hole a bit so I'm glad you dropped a large recap like this to have a better look of manga history overall!
Aaaamazing video thank you!!!! 🙏🏼
Wow, I loved this video. I want to share it everywhere so that even people that are not into manga yet or only know them superficially can have a grasp on the whole thing.
That's a very good compendium, neither too specific nor too superficial
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Hey yo man, fell off your videos for a while but really really enjoyed this. Great vid.
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