My favorite thing about this whole ordeal is someone asking Steve on Instagram “what about the spots behind Sawcon? Were they real?” Steve: “Whats Sawcon?” Reply: “Sawcon Deez Nutz.” 😂😂😂
I think the fact he tried to make them Look real was the problem. I mean, no one thinks a picnic table pulled halfway up a stair set is a natural spot. And no one complains.
There not talking about moving objects. No one said anything to daewon for moving around tables. The problem they have is he made skate spots from things he brought himself. Like the Allstate sign. It’s for sure a petty ass complaint tho. Skateboarding is made for innovators
This is a good point. I'm with Kennedy on the roll-ins and plywood landings, but that said I'm all for rigging up shit you've found at the spot. There's a piece of plywood here next this pile of dirt? Hell yeah, lets put the bin after it and do something. Often those sessions are the best as the stuff randomly at the spot might not be there for long. That's street skating. Hollywood props at a spot? Not so much. To his credit, he did hard tricks on them.
Even still. The picnic table was not MADE to be skated and moving it on to stairs makes it less skateable. He literally made benches that were lower than normal and designed to be grinded and then also tried to pass them off as normal spots he found. which used to be another aspect of skating, finding a spot was a pain in the ass, which is why there is so many picnic table clips, school yards were basically hassle free skate spots. but someone still had to jump that fence and test the water at some point. And you’re still fully Breaking the law to skate there on those tables. Steve get caught skating the all state sign he just packs it up and goes home, no destruction to property. It’s cheap on all levels.
i love listening to these industry insider issues. the whole thing with being a "street spot purist" is something i've never even thought of. i grew up in the suburbs with no local skatepark, so every "spot" had something added to it to make it skatable
@@bp4861I wouldn’t even say get it because that implies one side doesn’t understand. I think it is just 2 different opinions and they are both valid depending on the stories you have created to go alongside skating.
If you have to modify a spot to make it skateable its borderline unacceptable with a few exceptions like a piece of plywood at Clipper. However, Steve Berra is a PRO skateboarder that literally fabricated entire spots for a video part. It's simply cheating.
It's not the fake spots, it's the fact he tried to play them off as legit. Obvs there is tonnes of spots we know are fake but they don't pretend it's an allstate
The fact you're using the word "legit" is hilarious to me. "Manufactured spots" gives me the same reaction. Skate what you want to skate how you want to skate it. F**k "the culture".
damn thats the only part i hate in the video lol horrid song it does jeron no justice ive intentionally skipped his part while watching that video for years
Well it's not that crazy. Plenty of elites worship an Owl God. People just underestimate how crazy most people are. Remember when we knew what a woman was?
as a kid berra’s part was one of my faves in the vid, i remember being really stoked on the bs lip slide fakie flip, and bs smith bs flip, i didn’t care that the slots were manufactured because they all just looked like every other perfect cali spot, and his trick selection was on point
Perfect cali spot? As a filmer and someone’s that’s skated cali for over 20 years very few spots are perfect 💀90% are shitty and definitely have obstacles
I skated more in the mid 80-00s but we used to drag shitty launch / wall ramps, slaughter curbs and skate boxes around when ever we had access to a truck. Our's were always made out of scrap (and stolen plywood) as we had to bounce quick if the cops showed up. Never really saw the issue with the "fake" spots myself. Was it fun? Hell yeah.
There's a difference between having one or two clips of a "fake spot" and having over half of your part on these movie production sets designed to dupe the audience into thinking they are real. That's why the "fake spot guy" label gets put on Steve Berra when Mike Mo, Guy Mariano, and Jim Greco all skated the same spots in their parts. Also the other guys are more likable than Steve Berra, which definitely has something to do with it.
I’m not sure his intent was to specifically “dupe” everyone. I think he just had a different frame of mind. Maybe he just thought it would look really cool from a strictly visual standpoint. Which it kinda did to be honest.
@@GabrielKinney yeah he’s actually from the same state as me I grew up with my brother watching him skate all the big local spots on the sk8rat channel and my brother actually got a chance to randomly meet him in prison at clallam bay and talk to him briefly. He said he was a super cool guy and was very stoked to hear how much we loved watching his parts growing up. Dude has a story that definitely needs to be told ! Such a ripper too
Back in the day I think a lot of drama came from the fact a lot of people were all vying for the same spot light. Nowadays people can do their own thing but back then it was just getting into a magazine or featured on 411 or something. Made people more competitive and more hateful of anyone that was see as cutting corners
I always thought it was just trolling ppl to go hunt for that spot… Like a line on going to a spot and doing a better trick than whoever found the spot, he just made his own unfindable spot lol. Hence the entire "Skate More" angle
Well his intro was him being hurt so I was always like "at least he skates and had a good part and can do the tricks." only posers complained I remember.
I think that’s the problem, you can manufacture your own spot or obstacles just for fun and practice and learn on but trying to pass them off as real skate spots at a PROFESSIONAL level for a PROFESSIONAL video is whole different thing. Berra is a weirdo for sure.
Steve has blamed his ankle, being a dad, travel. He was full of excuses. Ultimately it was lazy, he wasn’t transparent, and his part only stood out for the wrong reasons. And why is it relevant? Because if you let an amateur film at those fake spots they’d blow his part out of the water. Also, the dude is super annoying whenever he judges Battle at the Berrics. Just obnoxious.
I seen some of those spots in the video when I first seen it & figured some of those spots weren't real street spots. Never seen them in other videos anywhere. I was like where does he skate at, his secret spots lol.
Yep, the music, tricks, style, editing was all brilliant. I’ve skated for almost 20 years now, and can never understand why people hate on shit, skatings sick no matter
I kinda see Berra since has lowkey changed the way we view skatepark for later on he made the modular skatepark at Berrics based on street obstacle and now even X-games followed the trend instead of sticking to a traditional skatepark
DIY spots are made to stay in the location so others can come by and skate them. The spots in Skate More were built for the part and then removed when completed.
Steve was a great skateboarder and had some awesome parts! Hes contriversial, reallymfor reasons im not even super clear on anymore besides the scientology thing. This is an interesting topic though! Ive let go of some of my younger selfs beliefs on whats "cool" or not. One really funny one we do is make fun of scooters and roller bladers lol im guilty too but i always think "HEY! YOU! MY MADE UP THINGY ON WHEELS IS COOLER THAN YOUR MADE UP THINGY ON WHEELS! WHAT A LOSER!" Then the general public walks by and is like "a skateboard?! Arent you like 30 something?!" 😂
I think it’s fine we Used to shoot skateboarding videos on my old big camera But a lot of our footage was outside of our buddies garage in a box on the rail a little ledge emoji of SK8 bench lol we wasn’t big pros tho
Can someone help me understand this? Like how would you manufacturer skate spots? Like, I can’t imagine he poured concrete and built a handrail? Or did he lol I’m so confused….
I agree mate. Its not like he was using bloody George Lucas green screen!. Plenty of others made ramps to make things more skateable too back then, & do it even more now. Berras part in TWS 4WD was him moving tables near to high rails so he could hop up then skate the rail, which to me was creative as hell. This was before Daewon was doing such things too
@@EDDIEM0NS00N Snowboarding has been a bigger thing in my life so it’s obviously super common to have to work with what you got to make a feature happen.
@@EDDIEM0NS00N totally! Snowboarding street scene is all about being creative to make a feature happen, which is why I was confused why this was so taboo.
@@johncitizen8828 argues with random kids online and posts cringy rants about keeping skateboarding core all the while taking terrible sponsors like the minions movie and selling out the berrics to hypebeast. Probably had to fund his Scientology dues.
i don't really see much difference between this and what they did in birdhouse "the end" to make signs and bus stops skateable. or putting plywood or a ramp down for a run up or landing. i don't really care so much. berra gets more grief bc of his personality.
Let’s be honest most people were mad at the fact Berra was lying then double down on it when people called him out if he was honest from the geko I think people would of overlooked it and the difference with “The End” was that they weren’t trying to hide that they were making things to skate like the blockbuster sign they used obviously Berra got the idea from that but used an Allstate sign instead plus birdhouse even came out saying that they had to modify the block buster sing so that they could actually skate it for real which was why it was also acceptable he went to a real block buster sign where Berra just completely made his own which was why it was in the berrics lol can’t take a real sign like that lol IMO it was the length that he went to try to hide the fact that the object wasn’t real brick and doing that makes the trick that he did tainted bc just think how hard it is to do a trick like that on an actual brick ledge that’s why we don’t see skatepark clips in video parts unless it vert bc that a different entity in itself but because their are elements that go into a spots that are real street spots aren’t perfect bc of years of wear&tear and that’s part of the challenge why cheat yourself anyone can kick flip back board on a hand rail but not anyone can kick flip back board on hollywood high plain and simple
The problem is that everyone is a Berra hater for the dick he is now & can't separate or respect the past Berra from his current persona. Why is no one hating on Daewon for doing the same kind of stuff? But oh of course Daewon is a God to most ppl so a blind eye is turned 😏
@@AlexRodriguez-rx7fu yeah, i mean i get why some people are bothered by it and that's totally valid. i just don't really personally care that much one way or the other.
@@EDDIEM0NS00N like I said there’s a difference between hiding something and just telling everyone “hey I’m making this shit up” you feel me bc there is a difference also I’m not even a Berra hater bc I use to be a big fan of alien workshop never hated on his skating he had to compete with guys like Ave, Dill, and reider lol dude has to be good to be on a team like that lol like I said it was just that fact they he tried hiding it then when he couldn’t hide it anymore just made excuses IMO if he just came forward then like I said I think it would of just passed along like nothing I’m an og been skating/collecting for 20+ years I’ve seen it all it’s mostly the newer generation that just doesn’t get this with all the new diy stuff going on but at the end of the day you have to know why DIYs started in the first place
In a world where they do there best to not make anything skateable but a skatepark, it makes sense, plus as you get older you don't care to risk a day in court for trespassing, I enjoyed his part liked his style and I never cared if that spot was there for the day or for everyone to skate. there are spots in most cities that don't even last a week before they skate stop it so no different. I don't live in Cali so I knew if it was a spot or not I was never going to skate/see it in person anyway. The skating was still real he wasn't there with a green screen the chance for injury or reward didn't change.
it just seems like so much work compared to just driving to a real version of the same spot. you live in california dude that same spot is 5 minutes from your house
A spot is never 5 mins away in California lol. You would either drive to another city which is like an hour or 2 away. I live in long beach and we would drive out to different cities and back then it was always a bust. 2 hour drive to get kicked out
@@beesteezy3626I know LA is big and very spread out but in nor cal like SF and Sac there's tons of spots right next to each other. I know LA is the hub of skateboarding but nor cal gets no love I swear.
I love skating and started in the 90s…but I never understood why anyone would give a shit about the spot being “real” or not. The skating is real, which is what I cared about. I didn’t get the big deal then, and still don’t now lol
What about moving 10-15 school picnic benches into insane setups? Or sweeping the run up and the landing? You gotta work in order to skate and sometimes the work has nothing to do with actual skateboarding. Just be creative and do it.
I think in that case its different... those picnic benches were already there and you rearranged them. It would be different if you brought those benches from your house or somewhere else... Its like the same logic when skaters put trash cans to do tricks over launching from a kicker and its considered ok.
imo, Steve did a great job on that part..he put in creativity (for a spot) to show case his choosen tricks.. Back then yes im a bit surprised that those are 'Fake' obstacles when i found out..but later on i red an intervw where he says hes on a hectic schedule (family, shooting vdeo etc) in that time frame..regardless, SkateMore is one great sk8 vdeo for the books..
When I saw steve’s intro to his part in Birdhouse The End I knew he was in it for the wrong reasons. For Steve skateboarding is just a different type of acting, and acting is his true passion.
What about Jeremy Wray and Heath Kirchart's parts in The End? They were manufacturing to a certain extent to pull off crazy stuff. Also what about setting up benches on the school yard, where does that stand?
lol that was one of my fav skate vids and i had no clue this controversy existed. I would've thought it was a rad idea and I was very much against the HD non VX revolution that stated right after that.
Let's face it...people have a problem with this because, in the last couple of years, the opinion has turned from "Berra is a founder of Berrics!! He's the coolest" to "oh, the dude that posts rants on Instagram arguing against people 30 years younger than him..what a loser". While various people had problems with his part in DVS' Skate more even when it came out, only recently have people actually started hating on him for it. I agree that painting a ledge with perfect coping to make it look "street" is a bit over the line, but on the other hand if any other skater that people like had pulled the "i did it to make it look good and i had only 6 months to film the part"...i bet barely anyone would have complained. While nowadays i also find Berra to be a kind of awkward when it comes to his personality, maybe even a bit cringey, i'm also a big fan of giving credit where it's due. His parts in both "Skate more" and "Mind field" are still incredible, and i dont think anyone can take that away from him, despite a lot of people trying.
100% don't care. I respect that he added things to make lines more interesting and amazing he made them look natural. How about in Birdhouse's The End when they put a neon green kicker ramp up to Texaco gas station pumps and the Blockbuster sign. Or when someone props up a street grate up with two skateboards and launches off and grinds an electrical box. Is that fake? It's all got a little D.I.Y.-ness to it. And I think that's cool.
I think part of DIY spots though is its either permanent for locals, or it has some kind of quick and dirty look to it. Fully building an object, and obviously trying to disguise it as part of the original structure, and then removing it after you film your trick, doesn't add anything to the spot. Past or future. No cool tricks to look back on no cool tricks for future skaters to try because it doesn't exist. All that said i don't really care either way, I just think it's kinda funny/corny. Don't love the berrics but you gotta respect Steve for straight up learning how to skate vert JUST because Tony Hawk wanted him on Birdhouse. Nobody even asked him to do that.
Also, DIY’s aren’t meant to trick people. It’s very clear what it is. But look at the brick ledges. There was clearly a brick texture on that, against a brick building to make people think that was part of the spot. Theres a difference between DIY and fake. The backside flip up that plywood euro gap, that’s DIY and that’s totally fine! But I think a lot of what Steve did in this part is fake. Just my thought.
DIYs are skateable by anyone. This was a spot for Steve and a few others only. DIYs are cool for the reason they they’re shared and created by many people working together for a common goal.
@@joeymalin I can’t remember which skate video it was, but it was a day in the life with Steve Berra & he was basically insinuating that he was homeless. He snuck into a store and showered in the restroom sink, then went back to skating. It was like MTV cribs, but lives at a gas station. It was a bit leading up to his part in the skate video.
I didn't know these spots were fake for several years. Being on the East Coast I just thought man fuck these California guys. Even the signs are skatable out there. Then when I found out I didn't really care. I mean Daewon had that crazy picnic table era. Then when Berra and Koston hooked up to do the park it all made sense.
When Guy Mariano skate built street obstacle nobody complained. Even MJ have some parts with built Street obstacle nobody complained too, But when Berra did that he was hated why??? Imagine a Kid in Africa became a good skateboarder as good as Felipe Mota that have video parts only on built street obstacle people love to see that. Berra is good on skating before his injury really good. You just dont watch a Skate Video because of the location of the Video but people watch Video to watch the Skater do gnarly Tricks. People talk this and that but because what Berra did back in then now peole have The Berrics a Safe Street Styled Park where many awesome Battle Commander Video was made. Many of the Famous pro nowadays skated and have fun. Appreciate what Skateboarders can do creatively Americans Complained so much on nonsense things while many New skaters specially on country that has no great roads like America, Europe and other countries have By the way im from the Philippines and we dont complained too much on the roads we have that almost seems to be unskate-able we would love to Skate Built street obstacle to our hearts desire.
He makes things look realistic at first glance. You take an extra second to look at it and there is metal coping on a brick ledge. Like what the fuck is this.
The Allstate sign, and the sad little ledges with angle iron that had bricks painted on them to look like they were natural extensions of the walls behind them. Oh and a couple of yellow flat bars as well
I had no problem with his part & didn't realise people got so butt hurt over it. Not a fan of hip hop either in video parts, plus Berra was still on fire during this time. Dropping a board of wood at the top of bottom of a spot just shows how passionate dudes are to get a trick down
Dude how is it any different than skating a park with a street section? It's the exact same thing as going to a park and filming a trick. All that stuff at the local park was made specifically to skate on.
It’s weird how Steve has always gotten so much hate for everything. Now some things I understand like the Scientology, that is rightfully so not a majority of peoples cup of tea. And his public breakdowns etc. But he got hate so much like originally from switching from Vert to street, but he did it well and became a legend because he was really the only one to do such a switch properly. There was originally hate for the private Berric’s, now it’s beyond legendary and is now very open to so many skaters and not just pros anymore and has helped a lot in the skateboarding world. Then the massive hate from the fake spots. But never understood why. It’s not like he hasn’t skated very real spots for years, and proved he can skate things like that just as good and technical as he did with the fake spots. So what’s the deal?And I always just saw it as being creative which is what the sport is supposed to be about. And might as well look authentic if you are putting the effort into beefing up a spot. Idk I’m just saying when will people be willing to give the man a break after everything he has done for the skateboarding world and all of it always either was or became great. But yet he lost alot of things like his sponsors etc over the years. And just felt like they were unnecessarily making him like a black sheep.
The obfuscation is what makes it kook stuff. This is why I really disliked Jaws doing his "ollie" (ollieing doesn't involve grabbing your board, but Thrasher calls it an "ollie" to make it seem cooler and to make you think he did the trick that Ali Boulala attempted). He purposely hid that he used a roll-in, wore a padded suit, etc. It's a hard trick in its own right so why try to make it seem more like Ali's clips?
My favorite thing about this whole ordeal is someone asking Steve on Instagram “what about the spots behind Sawcon? Were they real?”
Steve: “Whats Sawcon?”
Reply: “Sawcon Deez Nutz.” 😂😂😂
Classic
I think the fact he tried to make them Look real was the problem. I mean, no one thinks a picnic table pulled halfway up a stair set is a natural spot. And no one complains.
For sure, it was the 'deception'.
There not talking about moving objects. No one said anything to daewon for moving around tables. The problem they have is he made skate spots from things he brought himself. Like the Allstate sign. It’s for sure a petty ass complaint tho. Skateboarding is made for innovators
This is a good point. I'm with Kennedy on the roll-ins and plywood landings, but that said I'm all for rigging up shit you've found at the spot. There's a piece of plywood here next this pile of dirt? Hell yeah, lets put the bin after it and do something. Often those sessions are the best as the stuff randomly at the spot might not be there for long. That's street skating. Hollywood props at a spot? Not so much. To his credit, he did hard tricks on them.
Even still. The picnic table was not MADE to be skated and moving it on to stairs makes it less skateable. He literally made benches that were lower than normal and designed to be grinded and then also tried to pass them off as normal spots he found. which used to be another aspect of skating, finding a spot was a pain in the ass, which is why there is so many picnic table clips, school yards were basically hassle free skate spots. but someone still had to jump that fence and test the water at some point. And you’re still fully
Breaking the law to skate there on those tables. Steve get caught skating the all state sign he just packs it up and goes home, no destruction to property. It’s cheap on all levels.
Similar with the Jason Hernandez Bar. IMO, that's no different than moving a garbage can to the top of the bump so the skater can ollie it.
i love listening to these industry insider issues. the whole thing with being a "street spot purist" is something i've never even thought of. i grew up in the suburbs with no local skatepark, so every "spot" had something added to it to make it skatable
It's the same as when someone goes to an art show and just doesn't get it. Some of us get it some don't.
@@bp4861I wouldn’t even say get it because that implies one side doesn’t understand. I think it is just 2 different opinions and they are both valid depending on the stories you have created to go alongside skating.
@@JosePineda-jn8jk you don't get it.
If you have to modify a spot to make it skateable its borderline unacceptable with a few exceptions like a piece of plywood at Clipper. However, Steve Berra is a PRO skateboarder that literally fabricated entire spots for a video part. It's simply cheating.
I think it was smart just hated because we could nt go skate those spots 😂😂
Those are real tricks he was doing
It's not the fake spots, it's the fact he tried to play them off as legit. Obvs there is tonnes of spots we know are fake but they don't pretend it's an allstate
The fact you're using the word "legit" is hilarious to me. "Manufactured spots" gives me the same reaction. Skate what you want to skate how you want to skate it. F**k "the culture".
I don't think he really have the intention to fool people. It's to obvious
@@IAmJKeyhe put a fake allstate box up LMFAO he cares more than anyone
@@popthatbeep He did.
@@IAmJKey Cope
Steve Berra is a KOOK. The Ellen of Skateboarding.
*krook
*cook 👨🏼🍳
And yet he’s done more to promote skateboarding than almost anybody else with the berrics
@@allstopblue5717jock life
@@allstopblue5717your skateboard should be thrown in a dumpster fire for saying this.. RIP jake phelps Hellride 4 life
Jim Greco skated the Allstate sign in Baker 3
All State is also associated with Scientology same at Steve too lol
I had no clue the Allstate spot was fake. I feel betrayed.
Same...I had always thought it was a rad spot. What a shame.
I never seen that spot in any skate video at that time.
It's in the valley it was a bank. Sherman oaks. Fulton and riverside dr.
they recreated it at the dime challenge in 2018
I only found out 90% of his part was fake spots from this show like 4-5 years ago.
Jeron’s part in this video was one of my favorites. The song fit his style so well too.
damn thats the only part i hate in the video lol horrid song it does jeron no justice ive intentionally skipped his part while watching that video for years
berra being a scientologist makes a lot more sense now lol
It’s a skate park part. He tried to make it a street part but if half of it was made to skate it’s a skate park. Doesn’t mean the tricks aren’t solid.
Respect for posting this as a separate clip.
I love that I’m older now and so are all the dudes that I grew up with and now I get to hear the inside scoop from when I was seeing this stuff.
Isn’t Steve Berra a Scientologist? What a crazy guy
You can say that but we all know you can’t tell us why. You didn’t pay 24 installments of $69.99
Well it's not that crazy. Plenty of elites worship an Owl God. People just underestimate how crazy most people are. Remember when we knew what a woman was?
You're really going to trip on Jamie Thomas. He's a Christian!
@@fullyfb3847maybe they know something that we don’t. Why would elites worship an owl god if it didn’t serve them any purpose?
without the scientology hes a crazy guy yes
as a kid berra’s part was one of my faves in the vid, i remember being really stoked on the bs lip slide fakie flip, and bs smith bs flip, i didn’t care that the slots were manufactured because they all just looked like every other perfect cali spot, and his trick selection was on point
That’s the thing. At the end of the day, you have to do the tricks
Perfect cali spot? As a filmer and someone’s that’s skated cali for over 20 years very few spots are perfect 💀90% are shitty and definitely have obstacles
@@randomshit65 notify the press, cali streets not actually paved in gold.
@@randomshit65come to the Midwest, cement is like a cheese grater.
Let's not forget Steve cried cause Tony Hawk smoked weed once on a tour :(
Jim Greco skated all those spots in Baker 3 and I love that.
I always wonder if the fake spots were left there and for that reason Greco could skate them.
I skated more in the mid 80-00s but we used to drag shitty launch / wall ramps, slaughter curbs and skate boxes around when ever we had access to a truck. Our's were always made out of scrap (and stolen plywood) as we had to bounce quick if the cops showed up. Never really saw the issue with the "fake" spots myself. Was it fun? Hell yeah.
Im starting to worry the soul of skating might be lost man....
There's a difference between having one or two clips of a "fake spot" and having over half of your part on these movie production sets designed to dupe the audience into thinking they are real. That's why the "fake spot guy" label gets put on Steve Berra when Mike Mo, Guy Mariano, and Jim Greco all skated the same spots in their parts.
Also the other guys are more likable than Steve Berra, which definitely has something to do with it.
Yeah totally, Kelly even mentions here how everyone skated the two ledge spot, but no one did it to the extent Berra did.
I’m not sure his intent was to specifically “dupe” everyone. I think he just had a different frame of mind. Maybe he just thought it would look really cool from a strictly visual standpoint. Which it kinda did to be honest.
When all is said and done, You still gotta do the tricks! His part is pretty damn good either way.
yup
One of my favorite parts, it inspired me to build stuff as a teenager and bring stuff to spots to see what we could do with them
Can we get a Cory Kennedy episode ? Thanks ❤
I second this. One of my all time favorites. Crazy good style
Beware the Sasquatch part is still GOATED
@@GabrielKinney yeah he’s actually from the same state as me I grew up with my brother watching him skate all the big local spots on the sk8rat channel and my brother actually got a chance to randomly meet him in prison at clallam bay and talk to him briefly. He said he was a super cool guy and was very stoked to hear how much we loved watching his parts growing up. Dude has a story that definitely needs to be told ! Such a ripper too
Nah we need Terry Kennedy one 🗣️
@@G_909 there’s already a terry one if you’re not trolling. It’s a really good episode too. Sad the situation he’s in.
Back in the day I think a lot of drama came from the fact a lot of people were all vying for the same spot light. Nowadays people can do their own thing but back then it was just getting into a magazine or featured on 411 or something. Made people more competitive and more hateful of anyone that was see as cutting corners
Facts
This.
For how jacked his ankle was that was a solid part 👌
I always thought it was just trolling ppl to go hunt for that spot… Like a line on going to a spot and doing a better trick than whoever found the spot, he just made his own unfindable spot lol.
Hence the entire "Skate More" angle
Well his intro was him being hurt so I was always like "at least he skates and had a good part and can do the tricks." only posers complained I remember.
That’s so weird, and he would still get shit for it today. I’ve never ever heard of people making fake street spots and presenting them as real
I think that’s the problem, you can manufacture your own spot or obstacles just for fun and practice and learn on but trying to pass them off as real skate spots at a PROFESSIONAL level for a PROFESSIONAL video is whole different thing. Berra is a weirdo for sure.
what about the rails behind SawCon?
😂😂😂
👀.. Whats SawCon?
@@ElDiggityDogsawcon deez nuts
@@velouriumcamper0753We did it.
Steve has blamed his ankle, being a dad, travel. He was full of excuses. Ultimately it was lazy, he wasn’t transparent, and his part only stood out for the wrong reasons. And why is it relevant? Because if you let an amateur film at those fake spots they’d blow his part out of the water. Also, the dude is super annoying whenever he judges Battle at the Berrics. Just obnoxious.
You are beyond ridiculous 🤦♂️
Making excuses and not taking accountability has been consistent with his identity since this part.
I'm sure Berra enjoyed the process and you can fault him for that
Yes, we absolutely can fault him for that
The Dogme 95 school of skateboarding, but my god that is a luscious head of hair, the lucky bastard.
Skating is adapting to the environment, not adapting it to you. Hollywood mentality - appearence over reality.
I seen some of those spots in the video when I first seen it & figured some of those spots weren't real street spots. Never seen them in other videos anywhere. I was like where does he skate at, his secret spots lol.
Skate More is such a great video. One of the best.
Steve Berra's cameo in Eric Koston's part was fukin epic, his leg was parallel to his board when he landed...
I love that video 👌👌 every part was great
I loved his part always pumped me up.
Yep, the music, tricks, style, editing was all brilliant. I’ve skated for almost 20 years now, and can never understand why people hate on shit, skatings sick no matter
Yip
Yall never really cared if the spots were "fake" or not, dont let the skate industry tell you what to hate on.
Speak for yourself lol, what makes it kook shit is the obfuscation
@@joelglanton6531he made what hard to understand..?
I think some people don’t care and others really really care. I just don’t care but I do understand other peoples opinion
Berra is shady since the old days hahahahahhhaha
I will say it again: i just LOVE Skate More!
I kinda see Berra since has lowkey changed the way we view skatepark for later on he made the modular skatepark at Berrics based on street obstacle and now even X-games followed the trend instead of sticking to a traditional skatepark
Berra making “fake spot” wouldn’t that be the ultimate DIY?
Correct, I love this part
DIY spots are made to stay in the location so others can come by and skate them. The spots in Skate More were built for the part and then removed when completed.
@@danielclark739 lol DIY literally stands for DO IT YOURSELF. Please just stop.
Steve was a great skateboarder and had some awesome parts! Hes contriversial, reallymfor reasons im not even super clear on anymore besides the scientology thing. This is an interesting topic though! Ive let go of some of my younger selfs beliefs on whats "cool" or not. One really funny one we do is make fun of scooters and roller bladers lol im guilty too but i always think "HEY! YOU! MY MADE UP THINGY ON WHEELS IS COOLER THAN YOUR MADE UP THINGY ON WHEELS! WHAT A LOSER!" Then the general public walks by and is like "a skateboard?! Arent you like 30 something?!" 😂
I think it’s fine we Used to shoot skateboarding videos on my old big camera But a lot of our footage was outside of our buddies garage in a box on the rail a little ledge emoji of SK8 bench lol we wasn’t big pros tho
Idk kinda a weird line between what he did and typical diy spots. Would have been cool if he had just left them so other skaters could get some!
What board is behind Kelly? I think i used to have that one.
Dead center is a Jeremy Klein. Had it too
No, the yellow one with the animals. Definitely had that Klein candy bar board for sure as well.
Can someone help me understand this? Like how would you manufacturer skate spots? Like, I can’t imagine he poured concrete and built a handrail? Or did he lol I’m so confused….
I agree mate. Its not like he was using bloody George Lucas green screen!. Plenty of others made ramps to make things more skateable too back then, & do it even more now. Berras part in TWS 4WD was him moving tables near to high rails so he could hop up then skate the rail, which to me was creative as hell. This was before Daewon was doing such things too
@@offtheline-x8w who cares 🤷♂️ just skate
@@EDDIEM0NS00N Snowboarding has been a bigger thing in my life so it’s obviously super common to have to work with what you got to make a feature happen.
@@EDDIEM0NS00N totally! Snowboarding street scene is all about being creative to make a feature happen, which is why I was confused why this was so taboo.
@@offtheline-x8w totally agree he is a dick now. Past Berra was one of my fave skaters tho
Out of all the kooky things Berra did this one right here left the biggest dent on career.
crying when he found out Tony hawk hit some weed ONE TIME on tour😅
literally, Berra was BAWLING😅😅
What else did Berra do?
@@johncitizen8828 argues with random kids online and posts cringy rants about keeping skateboarding core all the while taking terrible sponsors like the minions movie and selling out the berrics to hypebeast. Probably had to fund his Scientology dues.
@@NittyGritty420 LOL. Yeah, that’s kooky
i don't really see much difference between this and what they did in birdhouse "the end" to make signs and bus stops skateable. or putting plywood or a ramp down for a run up or landing. i don't really care so much. berra gets more grief bc of his personality.
Let’s be honest most people were mad at the fact Berra was lying then double down on it when people called him out if he was honest from the geko I think people would of overlooked it and the difference with “The End” was that they weren’t trying to hide that they were making things to skate like the blockbuster sign they used obviously Berra got the idea from that but used an Allstate sign instead plus birdhouse even came out saying that they had to modify the block buster sing so that they could actually skate it for real which was why it was also acceptable he went to a real block buster sign where Berra just completely made his own which was why it was in the berrics lol can’t take a real sign like that lol IMO it was the length that he went to try to hide the fact that the object wasn’t real brick and doing that makes the trick that he did tainted bc just think how hard it is to do a trick like that on an actual brick ledge that’s why we don’t see skatepark clips in video parts unless it vert bc that a different entity in itself but because their are elements that go into a spots that are real street spots aren’t perfect bc of years of wear&tear and that’s part of the challenge why cheat yourself anyone can kick flip back board on a hand rail but not anyone can kick flip back board on hollywood high plain and simple
The problem is that everyone is a Berra hater for the dick he is now & can't separate or respect the past Berra from his current persona. Why is no one hating on Daewon for doing the same kind of stuff? But oh of course Daewon is a God to most ppl so a blind eye is turned 😏
@@AlexRodriguez-rx7fu yeah, i mean i get why some people are bothered by it and that's totally valid. i just don't really personally care that much one way or the other.
@@EDDIEM0NS00N like I said there’s a difference between hiding something and just telling everyone “hey I’m making this shit up” you feel me bc there is a difference also I’m not even a Berra hater bc I use to be a big fan of alien workshop never hated on his skating he had to compete with guys like Ave, Dill, and reider lol dude has to be good to be on a team like that lol like I said it was just that fact they he tried hiding it then when he couldn’t hide it anymore just made excuses IMO if he just came forward then like I said I think it would of just passed along like nothing I’m an og been skating/collecting for 20+ years I’ve seen it all it’s mostly the newer generation that just doesn’t get this with all the new diy stuff going on but at the end of the day you have to know why DIYs started in the first place
@@EDDIEM0NS00N Daewon wasn't trying to trick people
All I cared about was is the skating good and motivational
anyone know the jason hernandez spot he is talking about? How do i see it?
In a world where they do there best to not make anything skateable but a skatepark, it makes sense, plus as you get older you don't care to risk a day in court for trespassing, I enjoyed his part liked his style and I never cared if that spot was there for the day or for everyone to skate. there are spots in most cities that don't even last a week before they skate stop it so no different. I don't live in Cali so I knew if it was a spot or not I was never going to skate/see it in person anyway. The skating was still real he wasn't there with a green screen the chance for injury or reward didn't change.
it just seems like so much work compared to just driving to a real version of the same spot. you live in california dude that same spot is 5 minutes from your house
It’s more like spending all day in heavy traffic jams to even get to any of the spots …
A spot is never 5 mins away in California lol. You would either drive to another city which is like an hour or 2 away. I live in long beach and we would drive out to different cities and back then it was always a bust. 2 hour drive to get kicked out
5 minutes…..
@@beesteezy3626I know LA is big and very spread out but in nor cal like SF and Sac there's tons of spots right next to each other. I know LA is the hub of skateboarding but nor cal gets no love I swear.
@@beesteezy3626 compared to spending two days building a spot for one clip? I see your point but I just cant make the logic work
Are you saying the intro to fully flared isnt real?
I love skating and started in the 90s…but I never understood why anyone would give a shit about the spot being “real” or not. The skating is real, which is what I cared about. I didn’t get the big deal then, and still don’t now lol
Every street spots are awesome!
Loved the video but now I’m curious why Colin didn’t want to use Hip Hop at all.
skate more was my first skate video. Ive watched that video hundreds of times and love to here the backstory to some of the tricks
What about moving 10-15 school picnic benches into insane setups? Or sweeping the run up and the landing? You gotta work in order to skate and sometimes the work has nothing to do with actual skateboarding. Just be creative and do it.
I think in that case its different... those picnic benches were already there and you rearranged them. It would be different if you brought those benches from your house or somewhere else...
Its like the same logic when skaters put trash cans to do tricks over launching from a kicker and its considered ok.
It’s the deception. Nobody thinks Daewon just found the picnic benches like that lmao
It’s skateboarding it’s all artificial
I remember when this came out didn't bother me at all. If anything I think the building style was later incorporated into skatepark design
imo, Steve did a great job on that part..he put in creativity (for a spot) to show case his choosen tricks..
Back then yes im a bit surprised that those are 'Fake' obstacles when i found out..but later on i red an intervw where he says hes on a hectic schedule (family, shooting vdeo etc) in that time frame..regardless, SkateMore is one great sk8 vdeo for the books..
@@J.G.Wentworth69420 u did
Skaters are either cool ass dudes or whiny bitches 😂
Sadly, this was the most liked Steve in the past fifteen years or so.
As much as I hate berra and all he stands for but don't all skaters fix up fake spots now for video and pictures, socials ect..
Why won’t soft Berra man come on the show?
When I saw steve’s intro to his part in Birdhouse The End I knew he was in it for the wrong reasons. For Steve skateboarding is just a different type of acting, and acting is his true passion.
The funniest thing about the Allstate sign is both Steve and Allstate are Scientology members or in association with
Thats fuckinn insane! Props to Berra for being so vampiricly original. Damn that's meta right there. Make your head explode
Jerons part is 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I know I don’t speak for everyone but who gives a shit? Let him do his thing man
What about Jeremy Wray and Heath Kirchart's parts in The End? They were manufacturing to a certain extent to pull off crazy stuff. Also what about setting up benches on the school yard, where does that stand?
*Jeremy Klein
@@brettogden6867 Thank you, Brett. That's a pretty bad slipup on my part. I'll go sit in the corner nos
@@therealsilentwrathbecause those dudes didnt pretend they were real spots.
😂 I have the SKATE MORE trash can too😂❤
it was my my first skate video nit even knowing whats skate more. heavily inspired
Coming from a town with ZERO spots, this part inspired us.
Facts
lol that was one of my fav skate vids and i had no clue this controversy existed. I would've thought it was a rad idea and I was very much against the HD non VX revolution that stated right after that.
Berra must have let some people know what he was doing cuz Jim Greco has clips in baker3 at berras manufacturered spots😮
Let's face it...people have a problem with this because, in the last couple of years, the opinion has turned from "Berra is a founder of Berrics!! He's the coolest" to "oh, the dude that posts rants on Instagram arguing against people 30 years younger than him..what a loser". While various people had problems with his part in DVS' Skate more even when it came out, only recently have people actually started hating on him for it.
I agree that painting a ledge with perfect coping to make it look "street" is a bit over the line, but on the other hand if any other skater that people like had pulled the "i did it to make it look good and i had only 6 months to film the part"...i bet barely anyone would have complained.
While nowadays i also find Berra to be a kind of awkward when it comes to his personality, maybe even a bit cringey, i'm also a big fan of giving credit where it's due. His parts in both "Skate more" and "Mind field" are still incredible, and i dont think anyone can take that away from him, despite a lot of people trying.
100% don't care. I respect that he added things to make lines more interesting and amazing he made them look natural. How about in Birdhouse's The End when they put a neon green kicker ramp up to Texaco gas station pumps and the Blockbuster sign. Or when someone props up a street grate up with two skateboards and launches off and grinds an electrical box. Is that fake? It's all got a little D.I.Y.-ness to it. And I think that's cool.
The fact we can't stop talking about this but there are plenty of other pro's who copied what he did to this day is wild.
Almost seems weird to think that this would be weird now that DIY is usually something that's good for skating
I think part of DIY spots though is its either permanent for locals, or it has some kind of quick and dirty look to it. Fully building an object, and obviously trying to disguise it as part of the original structure, and then removing it after you film your trick, doesn't add anything to the spot. Past or future. No cool tricks to look back on no cool tricks for future skaters to try because it doesn't exist. All that said i don't really care either way, I just think it's kinda funny/corny. Don't love the berrics but you gotta respect Steve for straight up learning how to skate vert JUST because Tony Hawk wanted him on Birdhouse. Nobody even asked him to do that.
Also, DIY’s aren’t meant to trick people. It’s very clear what it is. But look at the brick ledges. There was clearly a brick texture on that, against a brick building to make people think that was part of the spot. Theres a difference between DIY and fake. The backside flip up that plywood euro gap, that’s DIY and that’s totally fine! But I think a lot of what Steve did in this part is fake. Just my thought.
DIYs are skateable by anyone. This was a spot for Steve and a few others only. DIYs are cool for the reason they they’re shared and created by many people working together for a common goal.
DIYs were around back then too lol
@@fernandoreyes680 ok brainwizards, I'm talking about the effect that Steve's faux spots had when we fuckin make shit all the time anyway 🤦
I loved Steve Berra's bit about living on the streets and showering at sinks in public restrooms.
What are you referring to?
Also that was an acting job, it was funny but fake
@@Marcel-Marcel sooooo good
@@joeymalin I can’t remember which skate video it was, but it was a day in the life with Steve Berra & he was basically insinuating that he was homeless. He snuck into a store and showered in the restroom sink, then went back to skating. It was like MTV cribs, but lives at a gas station. It was a bit leading up to his part in the skate video.
I just can’t believe the no hip hop in a video lol. Gtfo
Can't stand that shit in a diverse team vid. Stick it in a DGK Zoo York or other hood vid & yeah it's fine but it grates after a while
Actors need a stage, set, setting and props.....
Does Chris seem like he’s tryna play people sometimes talking about their accomplishments or is it just me?
I didn't care that the spots were manufactured. I liked the part then and I like it now.
Gotta get Steve Berra on the show, I can't believe he hasnt been on here yet!
I didn't know these spots were fake for several years. Being on the East Coast I just thought man fuck these California guys. Even the signs are skatable out there. Then when I found out I didn't really care. I mean Daewon had that crazy picnic table era. Then when Berra and Koston hooked up to do the park it all made sense.
Why people talking about a video part entirely irrelevant
When Guy Mariano skate built street obstacle nobody complained. Even MJ have some parts with built Street obstacle nobody complained too, But when Berra did that he was hated why??? Imagine a Kid in Africa became a good skateboarder as good as Felipe Mota that have video parts only on built street obstacle people love to see that. Berra is good on skating before his injury really good. You just dont watch a Skate Video because of the location of the Video but people watch Video to watch the Skater do gnarly Tricks. People talk this and that but because what Berra did back in then now peole have The Berrics a Safe Street Styled Park where many awesome Battle Commander Video was made. Many of the Famous pro nowadays skated and have fun. Appreciate what Skateboarders can do creatively Americans Complained so much on nonsense things while many New skaters specially on country that has no great roads like America, Europe and other countries have By the way im from the Philippines and we dont complained too much on the roads we have that almost seems to be unskate-able we would love to Skate Built street obstacle to our hearts desire.
Work smarter not harder. I aint hating
Kooky back then, kooky today
He makes things look realistic at first glance. You take an extra second to look at it and there is metal coping on a brick ledge. Like what the fuck is this.
Which spots are the fake ones?
The Allstate sign, and the sad little ledges with angle iron that had bricks painted on them to look like they were natural extensions of the walls behind them.
Oh and a couple of yellow flat bars as well
I had no problem with his part & didn't realise people got so butt hurt over it. Not a fan of hip hop either in video parts, plus Berra was still on fire during this time. Dropping a board of wood at the top of bottom of a spot just shows how passionate dudes are to get a trick down
Plywood for an extra landing area is also not pure to me!
Dude how is it any different than skating a park with a street section? It's the exact same thing as going to a park and filming a trick. All that stuff at the local park was made specifically to skate on.
Brilliant! Head of everyone.
I personally feel like it's what you do not where or what you do it on🤷🏻♂️.
It’s like putting a skatepark clip in the vid
It’s weird how Steve has always gotten so much hate for everything. Now some things I understand like the Scientology, that is rightfully so not a majority of peoples cup of tea. And his public breakdowns etc. But he got hate so much like originally from switching from Vert to street, but he did it well and became a legend because he was really the only one to do such a switch properly. There was originally hate for the private Berric’s, now it’s beyond legendary and is now very open to so many skaters and not just pros anymore and has helped a lot in the skateboarding world. Then the massive hate from the fake spots. But never understood why. It’s not like he hasn’t skated very real spots for years, and proved he can skate things like that just as good and technical as he did with the fake spots. So what’s the deal?And I always just saw it as being creative which is what the sport is supposed to be about. And might as well look authentic if you are putting the effort into beefing up a spot. Idk I’m just saying when will people be willing to give the man a break after everything he has done for the skateboarding world and all of it always either was or became great. But yet he lost alot of things like his sponsors etc over the years. And just felt like they were unnecessarily making him like a black sheep.
Daewon used to move stuff on to roofs
The obfuscation is what makes it kook stuff. This is why I really disliked Jaws doing his "ollie" (ollieing doesn't involve grabbing your board, but Thrasher calls it an "ollie" to make it seem cooler and to make you think he did the trick that Ali Boulala attempted). He purposely hid that he used a roll-in, wore a padded suit, etc. It's a hard trick in its own right so why try to make it seem more like Ali's clips?