I've seen you're doing alot on Pi. For long I want to ask, is there a way to make it AIO binary unit to be placed inside a PC that can act as Temperature monitor, Fan controller, RGB controller & an audio player. If we can do that, it's good to save some processing power & Hassel free switching between systems. May be it can be integrated into a Pi-KVM, Pi-NAS.
@@Phynix72 I've seen people build some of those parts, but never one integrated unit. The Zero 2 W would be a pretty good option for it, but things like RGB/fan control (and temp monitoring too) are probably more efficient to do on a microcontroller like ESP32 or Pico.
@@JeffGeerling I'm sorry, but I've to throw this kind of work on to you.. because problem is me, I'm just scholar in Mechanical Engineering & CAD... I just know Code & Electronics on surface level, just copy-paste & edit the stuff. Oh, & I'm not asking it's to be done specifically on Pi-zero, it could be anything easily available, maybe a HAT or add-on board like of Pi 400. Modularity is the key. You have a huge community, where people would listen to you & team up or you can push the idea upwards to someone capable.
Not bad. Currently using a Pi Zero W to run Pihole (and if people watching this video have NO IDEA what to use a Pi Zero W to do, get one and run Pihole. Thank me later) and it has been just superb. Dollar for dollar, the old Pi Zero W was the best computing value I've owned in a very long time owning computers. Short of free, nothing could beat that thing for 10 bucks. This new one at 15 bucks is still an insane value for what you get and what it can do. 40 or 30 or even 20 years ago, this kind of performance out of a sub $20 computer... Nobody would have believed it was even possible. It is. And it kicks butt. For me, getting amazing results out of a cheap computer like this is WAY more fun than getting the latest Ryzen or Core i9. Sure those things will do it. Where is there even doubt? But what can a Pi Zero W do for pocket change? With a free OS? Or something like Pihole? And it sips power? There is just nothing comparable to that. The Zero platform is probably my personal favorite computer of all time.
I've been running PiHole for a couple of years now on a Zero W. It just sits in my loft, silently and efficiently blocking ads. I used another with a NoIR camera and a radar motion detector to sense movement in my post box, take a picure and send me an email with the picture embedded in the email body. Great bit of kit, now even better.
So true. I remember dreaming of this when I was a kid waiting as my gateway pentium computer booted up and listening to my 14-4 screech out its connection tones. Now it's reality and so much fun.
Yup I have Pi-hole running on a Pi Zero W also and its been running smooth for over a year now. Its a little slow when you log into it but I rarely do, I usually just use the web utility to manage Pi-hole. Cheapest server I have ever built\used.
@@DaiAtlus79 Price, or profit margin? The fact is there is significant demand for a $30-50 SBC in this form factor with 4GB of RAM. It seems like either RPi Foundation knowingly decided not to compete with Radxa, or they used some very unfortunate market studies which did not do justice to the customers who want more ram and are willing to pay more to get it.
@@atleast4566 no, you ignore that the RPI foundation keeps their hardware at a certain price point, and as well, they know others spec theirs put differently, and know because of that they don't need to bother with that niche.
Well, i got similar performance on rpi3 back then when I switched to mesa (for some reason none of the retrogaming distros used mesa back then).. this is just an underclocked rpi3 with that memory trick.
I thought I'd regret getting a radxa zero once pi zero 2 came out. I'm so glad I bought the radxa zero instead after seeing it only has 512gb of ram. I don't think that zero 2 w can do x265 decoding either. I might still get a zero 2 w for a project though
@@Pawn2e4 support right now isn't amazing, but I am running on mainline without issues powered by panfrost. And kicking rpi4 ass on many gaming workloads at a fraction of the consumption
just ordered mine from the official Swedish retailer.... 751 in stock, webpage was really slow, and once I checked out there were only 543 in stock. It's a shame the retailer didn't have limitation of how many you could buy per user. I only bought one out of respect. I could see myself using two, but it isn't really necessary at the time being and I will use my original rpi zero for my second project. I hope more people will think like that, but who am I kidding, they probably won't ~:)
A stock GPi case? It would be a flat out upgrade. No extra enclosures to buy, you could seriously just drop this into it and enjoy a 3 fold performance increase at the very least.
We need a Super Pi even with a new form factor , 8 cores at least 2 GHz to 2,5 GHz and 4 gig minimum 8gig option and a good graphic chip , then retro community will be singing all day long , just priced below 80 $, i see no issues them flying off the shelf's - and trust me they would make a killing even with a price tag of 100 $. Its not hard all those mentioned things You have in a phone that can be bough wholesale for about 75-90$ and those things include case, screen , battery etc.
It would not be a bad idea but with a GPU with a new structure that allows the latest APIS without the unimplemented limitations that have rpi4 gpu hw features.
I did a Batocera build for my Pi Zero andnI was very pleased on how smooth it ran (plays all systems up to Sega 32x and some PS1). I can imagine how Batocera will run on this version.
Very impressive to see that the RPI foundation has now really entered the custom silicon era. I'm very excited to see what they come up with for the Pi5 once it launches in a couple of years.
Can't wait to get my hands on this! Looks like it should be able to directly replace the old pi zero in the GPi Gameboy case, and shouldn't even be that hard to get it running right!
@@phunkstar7347 Nope. The whole Pi Zero cluster is completely useless. Nerdy and fun? Yes. Practical for anything relevant that cannot be done other ways? Nope.
@@jazeenharal6013 it's not necessarily that they don't work "Well". Go look at pictures online of clusters. It's more of the fact that when you put a cube of 5, 8, 10+ of these things together, they take up a ton of space, comparatively speaking. The reason the zero is sought-after is because of the micro form factor. People are not using it cuz it's winning any spec race. That being said, as soon as you start putting whole bunch of them together and taking up larger amount of space you might as well use a small form factor motherboard and a full powered desktop chip. It just makes more sense when you start taking up large amounts of real estate. Like I said, it's obviously super fun and nerdy put a bunch of mini SBCs together and tinker but I don't personally believe there is any real pros to using a cluster of low spec zeros over other options. Maybe if you had to find SOMETHING you could say price. But I still don't think a cluster board and then multiple zeros would beuch cheaper than a small form factor Mobo and a real processor. .02
Considering the price increase I was kinda hoping for more. I mean a CPU spec bump is all well and good(Even more so since this is a massive bump), but I feel like we could have at least got USB-C for power and maybe even usb 3.0 speeds.
you need BCM2711 for USB3 and I don't think there's enough space for VL805 on the board. Pi Zero isn't more towards SBC anyway, it's more towards embedded applications. At any rate this is an upgrade for their industrial clients where they just need to swap SD card to the new board and verify it's functioning which means very small downtime on upgrading. These days RPI Foundation seems to take feedback from their industrial clients
I trust what they say about the limitations of this form factor and appreciate the fact that they explain the issues they face with this. I think 512MB RAM is acceptable for this line of boards as many Zero 2 applications are already meant for lower memory. There will always be exceptions, but there are other Pi boards for those who need more memory. But for portable gaming, as would be the interest of those who watch this channel, we already know the RAM won't be an issue as we've already seen from the original Zero. I was recently wondering when they'd finally update the Zero, so this is nice to see.
@@aukondk yep, I think a battery mode may also be in order. I have an original zero, and a zero w. So won't be a waste. It may just be fine. If you use rechargeable AAs then you may get a few hours out of them .
The increase of power consumption is really a bad news… It remind me the pentium 4 time : the performance increase on each generation but the power consumption too because there’s no r&d on cpu architecture. Each new generation of raspberry should consume lower power… The power consumption and the temperature are an awful news : in many case the form factor of the rpi zero is dedicated to portable device… which work on battery… Did they really follow the project of their users or they just study how to sell Broadcom processors ? 😅
emulation performance seems to beat out those rockchip devices. besides there are a slew of fps patches for god of war, tldr an oversight by sony makes the game harder to run than it actually is. psp runs at an awkward 59 point something something not 60, causes god of war in ppsspp to go wacko (not sure if its still the case but it was at some point). solution is a cheat db that patches the game to run correctly with the emulator or lower the the fps cap to 30 or 20 fps. take a gander at the ppsspp forums, and you'll know what im chatting about. for example, you can make coded arms run higher than 20 fps without breaking the games speed, or make starwars battlefront elite squadron run up to 60fps.
Think this will be great in a small handheld, gameboy-lookalike, device. Being able to play your typical nes, snes, sega genesis/megadrive, and hopefully also segacd games. Some simple psx games would be a bonus on top of that.
I’m wondering how long until there is software support on the GPi. Just swap the cartridge holding the Pi Zero for one holding a Zero 2 W and you should be off to the races!
@ETA PRIME you got me into emulation when I saw ur first raspberry pi zero w video. Have you ever made a video with how the ras pi zero W games runs on emulation now and if there are improvements since way back then. Anyway can't wait for your future pi zero 2 vids. Peace
What I find amusing is this Pi has more RAM and a faster processor than my second PC running Windows 95 that I built-up from parts. The kicker is, it costs less than half of what I paid for a 3 1/2 inch floppy drive at the time.
how come you are able to play youtube video. mine would hardly load the youtube page. i also tried overclocking but still never was i able to play a single youtube video in chromium with my pi zero 2.
Love this new Pi 0 2 W. Pricetag here in the netherlands is (after the Brexit, UK not part of EU) a lot more expensive here. In the Netherlands I pay 17,95 euro (15 dollar is 12,87 euro), excl. delivery. Still ordered this new Pi as you where saying, raspberrypi fans must have at least one of them to play around 👍💪🥳
I absolutelly need the Retroflag GPI Case team to make an image for this. Raspberry Pi 3 like performance in our "magic gameboy from the future"? Heck yeah!
Hi, how do you have your Pi Zero 2 setup to be able to play a youtube video. I am on a fresh install, overclocked following your tutorial, in a flurk case in an already freezing room :) and just to test it have not been able to get a single video to play, Ive tried playing with the GPU memory, i just don't know what I'm missing.
@@whelanbdubs Hi, I had another go today and have not been able to get 720@60fps as shown in his video. I have tried with 64/128/192/224/256 GPU memory, tried the GL driver (they made it worse). I am using the same video as I type the url from the video above to match. Page takes forever to load and the spinning icon to stop. While set to 720@60fps I get choppy audio and 1 frame of the stream at the start, clicking the cog is unresponsive, he shows it smooth. I changed to 420 and got playback (still a little framey) but could not access the cog settings without waiting 20 seconds, and if you skip ahead it that’s it, you get a choppy 1 seconds burst of frames every 10 seconds. I’m using a flirc case with thermal compound and the pad as it took an extra 5c off idle temp (at 420 I get it 35-42c but my office temp is 6c🥶 at time of test), the official Raspberry Pi Z2 power adapters and a SanDisk Extreme Pro 128GB microSD, output over HDMI and can’t match what I see in this video, Explaining Computers did not even do his usual RUclips Video test with the pistons in this review, so at this time I have no idea how. I tried novaspirit’s rpi_zram to see if that helped. I know the PiZ2 is not meant for RUclips playback but just wanted to see it once. 🤪 but i will keep trying.
GC emu will likely come when th RPi 5 hardware (whatever that may look like) comes to the zero form factor. Probably a ways off. N64 should work on this though
Looks like another chip shortage for some time, no way will they be able to fill demand. The demand will always outstrip demand because at $15 dollars it is terrific value and can be used for low usage everyday use as well as projects and people will be buying more than one. The Pi foundation is now captive to it's own success can not keep up and they will have to run very fast or they will disappoint.
It’s a nice problem to have, though. Guaranteed cash flow that has a clear path to be ramped up. I’m willing to bet that they found some efficiencies with this design that lets them better utilize the silicon they’re already manufacturing. Which lets them squeeze more out of their existing manufacturing pipeline while simultaneously shutting down the previous Zero production. Throw an end date on software support for the original Pi Zero and they can get even bigger wins in terms of their development pipeline as well, finding huge efficiencies in supporting effectively a single ARM ISA. Plus board designs using similar supporting hardware.
when they put full texture filtering bilinear in psx1 games Raspberry Pi was something good and interesting, in the meantime I'm happy on a pc or android emulator 😑😑👌👌🌟🌟😉😉👌👌🌟🌟😝😝👌👌🌟🌟
Specs remind me of phones from 2011/12. Not impressive for 2021. Would make a good embedded device, but not really good for much else. That ram limit is just a killer!
Pretty nice little upgrade - all sensible and useful changes, and the only real wish for me would have been switching to USB-C all round but I get (a) keeping the same form factor, (b) the extra complexity of implementing usb C, and (c) the additional cost, especially as what seems like pennies to change can make or break these sort of price points; so probably the right compromise rather than letting things spiral. Also interesting fact - the AU is the part is because they chose gold wires to connect to the SoC to ram chip (for device longevity and reliability)
What aboutt power consumption? Making handhelds out of these makes a big difference if powerdraw is lot more.... (official specs aside, like, real world scenarios are the thing)
This! I would especially like to see how big the difference is with Radxa Zero 4GB. Most of us are willing to pay more for the extra RAM, so it would be a meaningful comparison.
Overclocked to 1300 but still unable to run youtube/m.youtube videos on chromium. The stock rpi3 has no problem with this using stretch. Hope there's a fix.
Looks interesting. Unfortunately the higher power requirements mean that unlike the original Zero W, it can't be powered solely from a computer's USB port while functioning as a USB device. But it is understandable given the much more powerful SOC.
@@voraciousblackstn There seems to be a fair bit of confusion out there around this as USB uses a lot of different standards. But most people seem to agree that USB 2.0 is able to provide up to 1.5 A when the device sends data and up to 5 A for charging only. It is however possible that some devices can provide more current.
@@microlinux Looks interesting. It is true that Raspberry Pi SBCs tend to be a bit behind hardware wise. Their main advantage is having a large community and good software support.
Yeah I know right. I remember my first PC rig when I was 16. It was huge. Full towers were all the rage back then. Huge motherboards and not mention all the separate cards for sound, network and graphics. All before motherboards came with onboard stuff.
And like allways - thank you for a new nice and very interesting video! Love your channel! In another video about the Pi Zero 2 i saw that it has Bluetooth 5.2 and not 4.2? What can you say about temperatures, is a small heatsink enough for this modell?
The zero 2 w is interesting amd the increased power is welcome, that said its a let down that there isnt usb c, more ram, 5ghz wifi etc. Thats several compromises that really should be addressed. That said i do understand that these are for smaller projects, not to complete with the pi4. Or cm4.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket supply chain is an issue right now for sure, but im not saying I wouldnt pay more for it my guy. At $15 its an absolute steal!
I cannot understand what you did or how its that fast in the video. I tried running Raspberry Pi Os 32 bit and overclocked to 1.3ghz and chromium opens in like 1 minute and is pretty much unusable. VLC video playback is impossible. What did you do?
Hello, i bought a raspberry pi zero 2 and installed the is and put on the 300mhz overclock. But i can’t get it to play youtube videos at all, it feels like it’s not performing as it should, does anyone have an idea if i need to do smth to get yt to work? or a solution to the problem? to be clear i don’t intend on using the pi for youtube playback, i use yt as a sort of benchmark to see if it’s working right. I thank anyone and everyone for there help ;)
So i benchmark my pi normal clock speed ->114secs (so 10% worse than in the voideo) overclocked to 1300mhz -> 88secs (so spot on with the results in the video) I also tried changing the general video resolution to 720p but still not able to play youtube vids :/
@@DJKav yes, I have it currently as one. I was considering second one as a fallback DNS, but now I'll make my current one the backup one, and slap one of these bad boys as the main DNS.
After reading the official interview, the most disappointing thing is that the GPi system is not compatible. Does it mean that GPi case cannot be upgraded to this Zero 2 anymore! Can anyone test it!
This is cool, though I probably won't get my hands on one for a while, my club in college just got the zero W for the game we are making, just gotta get the pcb for the game reprinted. Can't wait to see the game in a case and ready to go. Up to this point it's been a couple versions of models.
I feel like raspberry pi could kill Texas instruments if they wanted to. Even if they only based it off the chipset of the original zero, they could make calculators that are magnitudes more capable than the TI-84 Plus CE for the price of a random scientific calculator from Walmart
Great video! Can't wait to see what else you get up to with our new baby.
And its the creators themselves! You guys created something legendary.
Real Raspberry Pi :O
Can't wait for 1gb model
@@BasilMendoza-nj3vy wtf
Can’t wait to play n64 games on my box fan
10:57 - Indeed! I have been testing the Zero 2 in a DIY Null 2 build, and it rocks! A lot more games are easily playable on it versus the Pi Zero W.
I've seen you're doing alot on Pi.
For long I want to ask, is there a way to make it AIO binary unit to be placed inside a PC that can act as Temperature monitor, Fan controller, RGB controller & an audio player. If we can do that, it's good to save some processing power & Hassel free switching between systems. May be it can be integrated into a Pi-KVM, Pi-NAS.
love u jeff
@@Phynix72 I've seen people build some of those parts, but never one integrated unit. The Zero 2 W would be a pretty good option for it, but things like RGB/fan control (and temp monitoring too) are probably more efficient to do on a microcontroller like ESP32 or Pico.
@@JeffGeerling I'm sorry, but I've to throw this kind of work on to you.. because problem is me, I'm just scholar in Mechanical Engineering & CAD... I just know Code & Electronics on surface level, just copy-paste & edit the stuff.
Oh, & I'm not asking it's to be done specifically on Pi-zero, it could be anything easily available, maybe a HAT or add-on board like of Pi 400. Modularity is the key.
You have a huge community, where people would listen to you & team up or you can push the idea upwards to someone capable.
Oh hey it's Jeff!
Not bad. Currently using a Pi Zero W to run Pihole (and if people watching this video have NO IDEA what to use a Pi Zero W to do, get one and run Pihole. Thank me later) and it has been just superb. Dollar for dollar, the old Pi Zero W was the best computing value I've owned in a very long time owning computers. Short of free, nothing could beat that thing for 10 bucks. This new one at 15 bucks is still an insane value for what you get and what it can do. 40 or 30 or even 20 years ago, this kind of performance out of a sub $20 computer... Nobody would have believed it was even possible. It is. And it kicks butt. For me, getting amazing results out of a cheap computer like this is WAY more fun than getting the latest Ryzen or Core i9. Sure those things will do it. Where is there even doubt? But what can a Pi Zero W do for pocket change? With a free OS? Or something like Pihole? And it sips power? There is just nothing comparable to that. The Zero platform is probably my personal favorite computer of all time.
I've been running PiHole for a couple of years now on a Zero W. It just sits in my loft, silently and efficiently blocking ads.
I used another with a NoIR camera and a radar motion detector to sense movement in my post box, take a picure and send me an email with the picture embedded in the email body.
Great bit of kit, now even better.
So true. I remember dreaming of this when I was a kid waiting as my gateway pentium computer booted up and listening to my 14-4 screech out its connection tones. Now it's reality and so much fun.
@@skf957 man some great ideas there. Ty.
Yup I have Pi-hole running on a Pi Zero W also and its been running smooth for over a year now. Its a little slow when you log into it but I rarely do, I usually just use the web utility to manage Pi-hole. Cheapest server I have ever built\used.
Considering it's not at all what the original intent for these boards, the fact that you can use them as a pc is pretty impressive.
Glad to see the Raspberry Pi Foundation recognises ETA Prime as a credible channel to give early release hardware too now!
Well deserved!
Would like to see this up against the Radxa Zero 1Gb. Real shame about 512Mb Ram.
its 15 bucks bro, youre expecting too much
I am going for it when available. Wish they have upgraded the RAM to 1 GB too.
Same here, definitely going to pick one up but I REALLY wanted that ram upgraded to 1gb.
Not sure I buy Raspberry Pi's explaination of the RAM limitations when the Radxa Zero exists with 4GB of LDDR4 RAM with the same form factor.
price
@@DaiAtlus79 Price, or profit margin? The fact is there is significant demand for a $30-50 SBC in this form factor with 4GB of RAM. It seems like either RPi Foundation knowingly decided not to compete with Radxa, or they used some very unfortunate market studies which did not do justice to the customers who want more ram and are willing to pay more to get it.
@@atleast4566 no, you ignore that the RPI foundation keeps their hardware at a certain price point, and as well, they know others spec theirs put differently, and know because of that they don't need to bother with that niche.
The thing is that radxa zero have components on both sides and rpi zero designers preferred to keep everything on one side of the pcb.
Glad your getting pre release Pi's yours is the go to channel for emulation especially on SBCs👍
For the price of a big Mac meal in the UK large, ...
BARGIN
i think for the price, they have made something amazing. 1GB ram would be cool, but brilliant already.
PSP being able to run that well, even for easier to run games, is super impressive to see on a Pi zero
It's quite bonkers tbh
Well, i got similar performance on rpi3 back then when I switched to mesa (for some reason none of the retrogaming distros used mesa back then).. this is just an underclocked rpi3 with that memory trick.
A combination with Retroflag's GPI case should look fantastic!
I thought I'd regret getting a radxa zero once pi zero 2 came out. I'm so glad I bought the radxa zero instead after seeing it only has 512gb of ram. I don't think that zero 2 w can do x265 decoding either. I might still get a zero 2 w for a project though
I wish it had 512gb of ram.... sadly it only has 512mb instead
@@AdityaSingh-pe8nq Anything other than a pi has terrible software support /:
@@Pawn2e4 not Radxa it isn't like the banana pi's or orange pis. Radxa actually has good support
@@Pawn2e4 support right now isn't amazing, but I am running on mainline without issues powered by panfrost. And kicking rpi4 ass on many gaming workloads at a fraction of the consumption
just ordered mine from the official Swedish retailer.... 751 in stock, webpage was really slow, and once I checked out there were only 543 in stock. It's a shame the retailer didn't have limitation of how many you could buy per user. I only bought one out of respect. I could see myself using two, but it isn't really necessary at the time being and I will use my original rpi zero for my second project. I hope more people will think like that, but who am I kidding, they probably won't ~:)
Scalping is all the rage nowadays. People have gotten so egoistic, it's disgusting. Same with GPUs or consoles.
$2270 dollars is gonna be a stretch for the ol' wallet, but doable.
Liberian dollars
Great BUT at this point, Radxa Zero seems the way to go. It's more powerful, same form factor and similar price.
And you can have 1gb model for 5 bucks more.
@@WhiteG60 ameridroid
The only thing that have the rpi zero is better support (as today) and been handheld friendly, for the rest. It's several times better hardware.
@@WhiteG60 It supports android, debian, ubuntu, and something else, so overall not bad.
@@WhiteG60 Several people tested it, and it's ok.
Wow I wonder if this would be a good upgrade for Retroflag's GPi case?
A stock GPi case? It would be a flat out upgrade. No extra enclosures to buy, you could seriously just drop this into it and enjoy a 3 fold performance increase at the very least.
Just hoping those 3 AA batteries are powerful enough to power it. Not that fussed on battery life. I can always use a power bank if I'm on the go.
Very cool! Can't wait for the software to update and make the drop in replacement on my RetroFlag GPi :)
You and me both I'll be so happy to hopefully see better performance with gba games.
@@ucitymetalhead I use Lakka and get solid 60fps without any type of cooling, very recommended
Yeah me too. I've got my GPi case running quite well with the Supreme GPi v2 OS with the original Pi Zero W that is.
Awesome, guess this means I can give the GPi Case an nice upgrade :D
yeah that is indeed really awesome piece of tech.
We need a Super Pi even with a new form factor , 8 cores at least 2 GHz to 2,5 GHz and 4 gig minimum 8gig option and a good graphic chip , then retro community will be singing all day long , just priced below 80 $, i see no issues them flying off the shelf's - and trust me they would make a killing even with a price tag of 100 $.
Its not hard all those mentioned things You have in a phone that can be bough wholesale for about 75-90$ and those things include case, screen , battery etc.
It would not be a bad idea but with a GPU with a new structure that allows the latest APIS without the unimplemented limitations that have rpi4 gpu hw features.
I did a Batocera build for my Pi Zero andnI was very pleased on how smooth it ran (plays all systems up to Sega 32x and some PS1). I can imagine how Batocera will run on this version.
Very impressive to see that the RPI foundation has now really entered the custom silicon era. I'm very excited to see what they come up with for the Pi5 once it launches in a couple of years.
Hopefully the pi5 will work with 4K TVs out of the box like the pi3. Pi4 is a nightmare
@@ericpeavey you probably have some options for that on the config.txt. but yeah, I had issues on 4k tvs.
Can't wait to get my hands on this! Looks like it should be able to directly replace the old pi zero in the GPi Gameboy case, and shouldn't even be that hard to get it running right!
Hope so... if RaspiOS works for it, it shouldn't be too difficult to get RetroPie working since it's more or less the same OS.
If we build a cluster with these, it will be dope
Yeah this is a great idea!
is there a use for a normal consumer? to stack them up
@@phunkstar7347 Nope. The whole Pi Zero cluster is completely useless. Nerdy and fun? Yes. Practical for anything relevant that cannot be done other ways? Nope.
@@Msantor1605 why don't they work well clustered? I'm just curious
@@jazeenharal6013 it's not necessarily that they don't work "Well". Go look at pictures online of clusters. It's more of the fact that when you put a cube of 5, 8, 10+ of these things together, they take up a ton of space, comparatively speaking. The reason the zero is sought-after is because of the micro form factor. People are not using it cuz it's winning any spec race. That being said, as soon as you start putting whole bunch of them together and taking up larger amount of space you might as well use a small form factor motherboard and a full powered desktop chip. It just makes more sense when you start taking up large amounts of real estate. Like I said, it's obviously super fun and nerdy put a bunch of mini SBCs together and tinker but I don't personally believe there is any real pros to using a cluster of low spec zeros over other options. Maybe if you had to find SOMETHING you could say price. But I still don't think a cluster board and then multiple zeros would beuch cheaper than a small form factor Mobo and a real processor.
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THE GPI CASE! THIS MAY JUST BE THE UPGRADE WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR!👍
Considering the price increase I was kinda hoping for more. I mean a CPU spec bump is all well and good(Even more so since this is a massive bump), but I feel like we could have at least got USB-C for power and maybe even usb 3.0 speeds.
I was expecting USB-C as well.
I'm happy with this but USB C would be nice albeit it's a larger port still than usb b
you need BCM2711 for USB3 and I don't think there's enough space for VL805 on the board. Pi Zero isn't more towards SBC anyway, it's more towards embedded applications.
At any rate this is an upgrade for their industrial clients where they just need to swap SD card to the new board and verify it's functioning which means very small downtime on upgrading. These days RPI Foundation seems to take feedback from their industrial clients
This is good, this is quad core and its around 2 to 3 times as fast as the previous model.
Cannot wait for this to be paired with Retroflag GPi case setup, great work Mr Prime
My thoughts exactly. With the same form factor should just be a swap job.
I trust what they say about the limitations of this form factor and appreciate the fact that they explain the issues they face with this. I think 512MB RAM is acceptable for this line of boards as many Zero 2 applications are already meant for lower memory. There will always be exceptions, but there are other Pi boards for those who need more memory. But for portable gaming, as would be the interest of those who watch this channel, we already know the RAM won't be an issue as we've already seen from the original Zero. I was recently wondering when they'd finally update the Zero, so this is nice to see.
Great video! Looking forward to a follow-up to the iPad Mini videos you did as well; the emulation on that tablet looks amazing.
PSP performance would've been better if you emu build was version 1.12.3
I could not get the latest version to compile, I kept running failed attempts.
@@ETAPRIME that's a shame, I figured you probably did try it first. Because you're always on top of what's new.
If this can fit the GPi case, we're golden!
It can, but I have not been able to get an OS working with the screen yet, in a few days I’ll have a video up.
Finally a reason to get extra cart slots for the GPi case!
@@ETAPRIME I would love to see that video. I am considering getting one. I think a gpi case with rechargeable battery mod for my Xmas wish list
I'm concerned about the extra power needed as I'm using mine with AA batteries still.
@@aukondk yep, I think a battery mode may also be in order. I have an original zero, and a zero w. So won't be a waste. It may just be fine. If you use rechargeable AAs then you may get a few hours out of them .
The increase of power consumption is really a bad news… It remind me the pentium 4 time : the performance increase on each generation but the power consumption too because there’s no r&d on cpu architecture.
Each new generation of raspberry should consume lower power…
The power consumption and the temperature are an awful news : in many case the form factor of the rpi zero is dedicated to portable device… which work on battery… Did they really follow the project of their users or they just study how to sell Broadcom processors ? 😅
It's a 40nm "new" sbc...
I agree. My Zero is powered via a USB-port from my laptop most of the time. I think this will not be possible with the new version.
emulation performance seems to beat out those rockchip devices. besides there are a slew of fps patches for god of war, tldr an oversight by sony makes the game harder to run than it actually is. psp runs at an awkward 59 point something something not 60, causes god of war in ppsspp to go wacko (not sure if its still the case but it was at some point). solution is a cheat db that patches the game to run correctly with the emulator or lower the the fps cap to 30 or 20 fps. take a gander at the ppsspp forums, and you'll know what im chatting about. for example, you can make coded arms run higher than 20 fps without breaking the games speed, or make starwars battlefront elite squadron run up to 60fps.
... maybe you can show us how you overclock this. Thank's for share.
Think this will be great in a small handheld, gameboy-lookalike, device. Being able to play your typical nes, snes, sega genesis/megadrive, and hopefully also segacd games. Some simple psx games would be a bonus on top of that.
I’m wondering how long until there is software support on the GPi. Just swap the cartridge holding the Pi Zero for one holding a Zero 2 W and you should be off to the races!
@ETA PRIME you got me into emulation when I saw ur first raspberry pi zero w video. Have you ever made a video with how the ras pi zero W games runs on emulation now and if there are improvements since way back then. Anyway can't wait for your future pi zero 2 vids. Peace
What I find amusing is this Pi has more RAM and a faster processor than my second PC running Windows 95 that I built-up from parts. The kicker is, it costs less than half of what I paid for a 3 1/2 inch floppy drive at the time.
how come you are able to play youtube video. mine would hardly load the youtube page. i also tried overclocking but still never was i able to play a single youtube video in chromium with my pi zero 2.
"at a fifteen dollar price point" you mean "at a 50.00 dollar price point" once the leeching scalpers get a hold of them :|
You know people are going to ask if you can put it into a GPI Game Boy Case. I’m sure you know that :)
Love this new Pi 0 2 W. Pricetag here in the netherlands is (after the Brexit, UK not part of EU) a lot more expensive here. In the Netherlands I pay 17,95 euro (15 dollar is 12,87 euro), excl. delivery. Still ordered this new Pi as you where saying, raspberrypi fans must have at least one of them to play around 👍💪🥳
I absolutelly need the Retroflag GPI Case team to make an image for this. Raspberry Pi 3 like performance in our "magic gameboy from the future"? Heck yeah!
Hi, how do you have your Pi Zero 2 setup to be able to play a youtube video. I am on a fresh install, overclocked following your tutorial, in a flurk case in an already freezing room :) and just to test it have not been able to get a single video to play, Ive tried playing with the GPU memory, i just don't know what I'm missing.
I'm in the same boat. Tried different SD cards and can't play RUclips. I don't know how he did it. Please respond if you figure it out.
@@whelanbdubs Hi, I had another go today and have not been able to get 720@60fps as shown in his video. I have tried with 64/128/192/224/256 GPU memory, tried the GL driver (they made it worse). I am using the same video as I type the url from the video above to match. Page takes forever to load and the spinning icon to stop. While set to 720@60fps I get choppy audio and 1 frame of the stream at the start, clicking the cog is unresponsive, he shows it smooth. I changed to 420 and got playback (still a little framey) but could not access the cog settings without waiting 20 seconds, and if you skip ahead it that’s it, you get a choppy 1 seconds burst of frames every 10 seconds. I’m using a flirc case with thermal compound and the pad as it took an extra 5c off idle temp (at 420 I get it 35-42c but my office temp is 6c🥶 at time of test), the official Raspberry Pi Z2 power adapters and a SanDisk Extreme Pro 128GB microSD, output over HDMI and can’t match what I see in this video, Explaining Computers did not even do his usual RUclips Video test with the pistons in this review, so at this time I have no idea how. I tried novaspirit’s rpi_zram to see if that helped. I know the PiZ2 is not meant for RUclips playback but just wanted to see it once. 🤪 but i will keep trying.
@@Dr_Ravenholm thank you very much!!
@@Dr_Ravenholm maybe we should wait linus to get his hand on zero 2
Same here. My thermals are almost 10 °C lower while loading the video (no case or cooler). Looks like the browser didn't use all resources.
I'm just a retired guy who likes to tinker. I buy based on your videos a few times a year. Have not yet been disappointed. Just wanted to say thanks.
Can't wait to see what they can do with this. I dream of gamecube emulation on a pi zero form factor eventually.
100% doable as often the smartphones that we have use quite small motherboards. Sometimes 1/3rd of the body.
GC emu will likely come when th RPi 5 hardware (whatever that may look like) comes to the zero form factor. Probably a ways off. N64 should work on this though
So basically, a faster CPU and... Not much else... Very disappointing. We should have at least gotten the 3b+ SoC with 1GB of LPDDR4...
Looks like another chip shortage for some time, no way will they be able to fill demand. The demand will always outstrip demand because at $15 dollars it is terrific value and can be used for low usage everyday use as well as projects and people will be buying more than one. The Pi foundation is now captive to it's own success can not keep up and they will have to run very fast or they will disappoint.
It’s a nice problem to have, though. Guaranteed cash flow that has a clear path to be ramped up. I’m willing to bet that they found some efficiencies with this design that lets them better utilize the silicon they’re already manufacturing. Which lets them squeeze more out of their existing manufacturing pipeline while simultaneously shutting down the previous Zero production. Throw an end date on software support for the original Pi Zero and they can get even bigger wins in terms of their development pipeline as well, finding huge efficiencies in supporting effectively a single ARM ISA. Plus board designs using similar supporting hardware.
@@thewiirocks Even before the chip,shortage Pi foundation could not supply enough uniits.
@@tonysheerness2427 And?
@@thewiirocks You could have a long wait.
Currently being sold by scalpers for $85.
when they put full texture filtering bilinear in psx1 games Raspberry Pi was something good and interesting, in the meantime I'm happy on a pc or android emulator
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Specs remind me of phones from 2011/12. Not impressive for 2021. Would make a good embedded device, but not really good for much else. That ram limit is just a killer!
15 dollars for those specs is quite awesome. Lots of things really don't need much computational power and aren't increasing in demand.
Pretty nice little upgrade - all sensible and useful changes, and the only real wish for me would have been switching to USB-C all round but I get (a) keeping the same form factor, (b) the extra complexity of implementing usb C, and (c) the additional cost, especially as what seems like pennies to change can make or break these sort of price points; so probably the right compromise rather than letting things spiral.
Also interesting fact - the AU is the part is because they chose gold wires to connect to the SoC to ram chip (for device longevity and reliability)
been waiting for this! hopefully we can run klipper or octopi 😍
What aboutt power consumption? Making handhelds out of these makes a big difference if powerdraw is lot more.... (official specs aside, like, real world scenarios are the thing)
Is a 2.5a powt supply still enough if the board is overclocked?
A future video having the Pi Zero 2 W in the Retroflag GPi would be nice to see for sure.
Thanx soo much, i used it for gaming and linux for me and my kids. The only problem i think is the heating, i dont know how to resolve it
I would love to see how well this compares to the Banana Pi Zero and the Radxa Zero! You should do a comparison video!
This! I would especially like to see how big the difference is with Radxa Zero 4GB. Most of us are willing to pay more for the extra RAM, so it would be a meaningful comparison.
Looks awesome think it's worth the upgrade?
To upgrade my gpi case... make a gameboy zero... or make a minty pi!?? So many opportunities
Did you try PiOS 64-bit at all? doubt it makes any difference, but it is a 64bit processor
Was PI OS, 32bit or 64bit now the Zero supports 64bit
can i have a .dtb file for it? raspberry pi foundation haven't made it public yet.
Do you think this will work with the retroflag gpi case ? Can you try it when you get a chance please ?
Probably a stupid question but any idea on power draw vs a regular zero?
Crazy small!! Can't wait to try some games on it.
The Raspberry Pi Foundation never cease to amaze and impress. PSX emulation possible on something barely bigger than a PSX memory card, outstanding.
Please please please show the comparison of radxa 0 and pi 0 2
How hard would it be to switch this into a gpi case? Already set up?
I hope it's compatible with the retroflag gpi case 🤞
Overclocked to 1300 but still unable to run youtube/m.youtube videos on chromium. The stock rpi3 has no problem with this using stretch. Hope there's a fix.
nooo 512MB... they nailed the rest.
How does power demand compare compared with the pi zero?
Looks interesting. Unfortunately the higher power requirements mean that unlike the original Zero W, it can't be powered solely from a computer's USB port while functioning as a USB device. But it is understandable given the much more powerful SOC.
The radxa zero does. I power it with an rpi4 usb even. But it's a real modern hardware, not this pantomime.
@@microlinux That radaxa Zero will never get nine years of Support
Zero 2 W is still powered by a 2.5A 5V USB cable. Normal USB 2.0 sends that much power while accessing the device. It should still work.
@@voraciousblackstn There seems to be a fair bit of confusion out there around this as USB uses a lot of different standards. But most people seem to agree that USB 2.0 is able to provide up to 1.5 A when the device sends data and up to 5 A for charging only. It is however possible that some devices can provide more current.
@@microlinux Looks interesting. It is true that Raspberry Pi SBCs tend to be a bit behind hardware wise. Their main advantage is having a large community and good software support.
It still amazes me that a tiny board like this is able to do things like youtube,browsing and some emulation.
Yeah I know right. I remember my first PC rig when I was 16. It was huge. Full towers were all the rage back then. Huge motherboards and not mention all the separate cards for sound, network and graphics. All before motherboards came with onboard stuff.
Perhaps we'll see a Freeplay Zero 2 in the future.
This thing would be great for headless projects where you don't need a ton of ram, but the extra CPU power would be very helpful.
Rip 1gb ddr3
I CAN'T WAIT!!! Going straight into my GPi Case
Imagine having a15 bionic power in that package size.... doesn't seem impossible looking at how small iphone 13 mini is
And like allways - thank you for a new nice and very interesting video! Love your channel! In another video about the Pi Zero 2 i saw that it has Bluetooth 5.2 and not 4.2? What can you say about temperatures, is a small heatsink enough for this modell?
It has Bluetooth 4.2 according to the official reveal video
@@robert_5974 Thank you!
First,Good video man,too bad they cant make a 1 gb version
Apparently the pi3 version of retropie works on this since it has the same CPU. Read that on Tom's hardware
That's awesome
The zero 2 w is interesting amd the increased power is welcome, that said its a let down that there isnt usb c, more ram, 5ghz wifi etc. Thats several compromises that really should be addressed. That said i do understand that these are for smaller projects, not to complete with the pi4. Or cm4.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket supply chain is an issue right now for sure, but im not saying I wouldnt pay more for it my guy. At $15 its an absolute steal!
Didn't see this coming
Same videocore IV, (not VI), 512 mb of ddr2 ram, moat probably still 40 nm (need to confirm), wifi 4... it sucks. This is the worst "upgrade" ever.
Now we just need pi 5 and we will be golden
Yeah imagine if pi 5 can run upto ps2
I cannot understand what you did or how its that fast in the video.
I tried running Raspberry Pi Os 32 bit and overclocked to 1.3ghz and chromium opens in like 1 minute and is pretty much unusable. VLC video playback is impossible.
What did you do?
Can I use it with the RetroFlag GPI case?
I'm guessing probably not due to power requirement
I have tons of Pi Zero’s v1.3 and Pi Zero W v1.1. Definitely grabbing a few of these boards. Already impressed with what I can use the Zeros for.
Hello, i bought a raspberry pi zero 2 and installed the is and put on the 300mhz overclock. But i can’t get it to play youtube videos at all, it feels like it’s not performing as it should, does anyone have an idea if i need to do smth to get yt to work? or a solution to the problem?
to be clear i don’t intend on using the pi for youtube playback, i use yt as a sort of benchmark to see if it’s working right.
I thank anyone and everyone for there help ;)
I have the same performance issues. RUclips playback in the browser is almost impossible.
So i benchmark my pi
normal clock speed ->114secs (so 10% worse than in the voideo)
overclocked to 1300mhz -> 88secs (so spot on with the results in the video)
I also tried changing the general video resolution to 720p
but still not able to play youtube vids :/
One for Zigbee Home automation and one for a second Pi-Hole, thank you.
Is the Zero fine for Pi-Hole?
@@DJKav yes, I have it currently as one. I was considering second one as a fallback DNS, but now I'll make my current one the backup one, and slap one of these bad boys as the main DNS.
After reading the official interview, the most disappointing thing is that the GPi system is not compatible. Does it mean that GPi case cannot be upgraded to this Zero 2 anymore! Can anyone test it!
It works in the Gpi case but right now we have no retropie, I was only able to get raspberry Pi OS running on it
@@ETAPRIME This is really happy news! So I can wait to upgrade my GPi machine! Thank you very much for your reply!
This is cool, though I probably won't get my hands on one for a while, my club in college just got the zero W for the game we are making, just gotta get the pcb for the game reprinted.
Can't wait to see the game in a case and ready to go. Up to this point it's been a couple versions of models.
I feel like raspberry pi could kill Texas instruments if they wanted to. Even if they only based it off the chipset of the original zero, they could make calculators that are magnitudes more capable than the TI-84 Plus CE for the price of a random scientific calculator from Walmart
✋ hi I request ruspberry pi zero 2 w High graphics game test gpu conact for
Does older Pi Zero/Pi Zero W images (ex. images found on Arcade Punks, etc..) work on Pi Zero 2? Or will I run into any issues?
Ruspberry pi zero 2 w vs orange pi zero 2 w compared I request