I have a CL and this review is out of date because of new firmware and many more lenses available, including many with OIS. There was no L Mount Alliance with Panasonic and Sigma when this review was done.
Tin Jos Totally agree. C and J has definitely put Calgary on my list of future travel destinations. Of course only to visit TCS - and some nice pub :-)
Completely likable. While driving across Canada last year, this was the the only place I stopped in Calgary. Jordan was incredibly patient in taking his time to understand my needs and super helpful in getting me the right gear once he had done so.
Hi Chris & Jordan, Even though I'm not the slightest bit interested in this camera, or many you have shop windowed.. I must say I find Chris' presentation, enthusiasm, and personality totally infectious; and as such, I really look forward to your content.. As usual Jordan's filming makes all your stuff so slick and professional it's a pleasure to watch... really hat's off here... This is only my second comment on your page.. first was on the Nikon F4, and I agreed with your Canadian buddy a POS.. , but felt here I needed to say I look forward to your posts.. cheers Gareth
I come from Nikon World. Here are some of my comments from someone who actually uses/owns a CL: SETTINGS: it's initially confusing and not intuitive but once you get used to it, it works fine. I think I could say the same for most other camera makes out there. EVF: I'm coming from a Nikon D700 so having an EVF like this is a nice upgrade. I guess there are better EVFs but this works fine for me: bright and clear which is the most important thing. RED DOT OFF: Initially I got confused as well but once you know, it's not a problem unless you regularly use multiple cameras - lol. IMAGE STABILIZATION: not an issue for me; just use higher ISO. Adding this to the CL would have increased the cost and size, ie., Leica SL/SL2. GRIP: yes, it sucks having to pay Leica prices for a grip and thumb holder so I got both from Lim's: Metal Grip Case and Thumb Holder for a lot less. HIGH PRICE: yes, it sucks but this is a Leica. Get it used. This is the perfect entry to LEICA image quality in a smaller body. Although this reviewer raises good points, the Leica CL is a really really good APC camera that allows use of Leica lenses. I think it's better than the TL2 but that's my opinion. If you want to get into Leica glass, want a compact body, and prefer more dials than touch screens, this is a good entry point. The reviewer is somewhat entertaining but keep in mind, these are his OPINIONS and priorities on what he considers important; he's obviously a milennial with little patience and high expectations. Most of his issues are not deal-breakers, especially after having used the camera for some time. I would recommend you try out this camera from your dealer. It's going for around $3K with the 18mm pancake lens which is a pretty good deal for a NEW Leica; start saving up!
A year ago I started shooting film. In August my Mom gave me a full auto Minolta Hi-Matic CS without a working shutter and a rangefinder. I’m a video guy who likes to manuell focus and do street photography and the instant I put my eye through the viewfinder, I fell utterly in love. It was like a calling when I turned the focusing ring. I started to inform myself on rangefinders and of course came across Leica. I pretty much have no patriotic sentiments whatsoever but I have to admit that I am a tiny bit proud that I come from the same country the cameras out of Wetzlar come from. I never was a big fan of Zeiss lenses, they’ve always looked a bit sterile to my eye, but I really stated to like the Leica look. Technically almost perfect lenses but still with lots of character. I started to look for a range finder camera tried one like the Minolta for €20 and after I got the images back immediately started looking for an M. I didn’t even bother long with digital and decided on an M5 very quickly. I got one with some scratches but otherwise fully functional and CLAed and a 35mm pre war Elmar and a Jupiter 8 all for around €1100. And it’s been the best thing ever. Now that I have some training I can take a picture with all exposer values and focus in around 15-20 seconds (granted with negativ film). The camera has been an absolute tank, never let me down. My Jupiter did though so I just ordered a Leitz 50mm Summarit f1.5 from the 50’s and I cant wait to test that myself. Yes I sometimes dream of an M10 or the special editions like the M-D or the Monochrome but there is no way I could or would be willing to pay this much money when I can simply pop in a roll of Portra or Tri-X or Acros and get colors that even a little bit nicer than the maestro engine. I still think that Leica has a place in today’s world. But it makes me sad to think that they decided to become a luxury brand instead of the innovative tool makers they once were. My M5 cost around $7.000(adjusted for inflation) as well when it first came out. But it was tool made for artist and journalists, the first rangefinder with TTL metering and pretty much the only thing that will be able to fight the Nokia 3310. I wish they’d still make and price cameras for people who actually need them for their work and not for people to feel prestigious. I fully stand behind the current Leica M glass, in that I know the correlation between cost and the last 5% of image quality that they are trying to achieve but a Summarit f2.4 cost one and a half grand. How about a camera that aspiring photographers can save their money for? I couldn’t be happier with my M5. Sure film isn’t free but I need to shoot more than another year to get to the point where a Sony A7 III or even longer for the Leica CL (both with lens) would have cost the same as my M5 two and one broken lens and a whole bunch of film and development and scanning.... The Leica M5 would be an awesome camera for unsung cameras of yesteryears.
I agree that the handling for the CL is a bit off, without the grip or thumb tab. HOWEVER, with those items, the camera is an absolute pleasure to use. The thumb rest provides space that effectively eliminates accidental turning of the wheels on the top, but they are still accesible. The grip is awesome, and the two in combination make it all the better. I shoot full manual with adapted M-mount lenses, plus the kit 18mm in manual focus mode. I don't use or care about autofocus. This review should specify the reviewer's personal preferences/use, for context. I find it funny him complaining about things that are actually reasons I love this camera. "it makes me have to slow down before taking a photo". EXACTLY. For people (like me) who are not needing hyper fast, fully automated modern functionality (which I understand for sports photography or working pros), the CL offers a great tactile shooting experience, especially when partnered with adapted M glass. For me, this camera is pure bliss. I'm coming from a FujiFilm xPro2 (with grip) and GFX50r, and the Leica is hands down more enjoyable in all aspects. I can turn the rear screen off, there is a delightfully minimal presence of buttons (I hate rear screens and tons of buttons). So, it goes to show you that not all people will find all cameras to fit their needs.
Great work as usual! I was recently doing a lot of research on this camera and your channel is the only one that talked about the real issues in great details. Hope I wasnt too late to leave a comment.
The so-called issues are really non-issues and nitpicks. If your priority is getting a good shot, this is as enjoyable to use as it gets. I have the X100T and X-pro2 and I can honestly say they don't even come close to the joy of using the CL. And the image quality? Don't even go there.
There is a difference between a guy who is knowledgeable and a guy who appears to be knowledgeable. I watched the video a couple of time in the last 6 months, went to a camera store and the Photokina for a hands on with the Leica CL and the Z6/Z7. As a long time Nikon shooter I decided buying the Leica CL over the Z7 in spite of this video (Z7 only costs a little more than the CL kit). Watching the Chris Niccolls video again after used the CL for a while lets me wonder whether Niccolls got a different Leica model or did this video unprepared. Many issues mentioned in the video show that he did not take the time to read the manual, to consider the target of this camera, or reconsider his shooting habits. If you shoot a 24MP Leica in Fuji or Sony style, I agree, you end up with Fuji or Sony quality images since often their lenses are the limiting factor in particularly with today's high MP sensors. Then the Leica CL is indeed a waste of money for these people. If you rethink your way of taking images, or would used to use the factor settings for a while to learn more photography, you are rewarded with stellar breathtaking images CL that sadly reveals the limitation of my f2.8 Nikon lenses at a fraction of the weight. But your millage might vary: a Fuji/Sony might be a much better option for some people who have different expectation on the IQ, an are not willing to invest the necessary time for improving their craft. People prefer to blame the camera for their personal limitations (skills, money etc).
Chris, you are the best talking head of the photo RUclips channels. You could easily be top anchor on any major tv news corp. Love the channel, loath the camera!
Wonderful little camera. Light and compact. It’s APS-C sensor matches my FF M10 in quality. It’s a perfect street shooter with the 18mm Elmarit 2.8 lens. Takes M lenses wonderfully too. The EVF makes shooting a fast lens like the 0.95 Noctilux easy. If you like the simply, slow shooting style of the M series then this CL will be a great camera for you.
My first Leica was a CL, then after buying a TL2, I fell out of love with the CL due to its comparative ergonomics. I then bought an SL2 (which I refer to as ‘the brick’) but only take it out when I’m not travelling too far. When it becomes available, I’m now looking at getting a Q3 which looks a beauty!! Let’s see.
You don't seem to understand Leica lens 'look' while going on about precision: Leica lenses aren't calculated on best possible sharpness and are oft crafted for a particular look rather than SLR workhorse industry standard sharpness and/or value.
Mercedes, Bentley, Rolex, etc, all luxury brands that started off as luxury brands and still at the forefront of technology in their respective fields. Leica today makes absolutely no sense to me with their business model. Who the hell would buy a Honda Accord with all the features removed "re-badged" as a Mercedes E class but at 5x the cost. Mercedes would be the laughing stock of Germany if they did such a thing. Leica is basically selling their name and "art" designswith these cameras. The Lotus Elise has the engine of a Toyota but that car is amazing because it was engineered *AND* designed by Lotus, they didnt strip a Camry to its frame and put new skin on it and called it a Lotus.
Too Shmart Hmm. Mercedes use Renault engines and transmissions in several smaller models and have just launched a ‘premium’ pickup, the X-Class, which is a tarted up Nissan Navara NP300, complete with Renault four cylinder diesel engines and Aisin Warner seven speed automatic transmissions, exactly the same as Nissan use. It looks like Mercedes’ interpretation of the Hasselblad Lunar and is already getting more than a few laughs. It costs nearly double the Nissan version after discounts.
Huw, You are completely off in terms of price and the meaning of the word *skin* . Its great companies work together. The best Nikon cameras have Sony sensors, but is the D850 a Sony engineered camera? This Leica is Panasonic engineered and *skinned* as a Leica. Nikon, Mercedes,BMW, etc may use parts from other manufactures but that is just that.... *PARTS!* The elephant in the room is the price for what you get, you and I know that.
Too Shmart I am old enough and been in the industry long enough to know badge engineering when I see it and am very into detail engineering. Mercedes and VAG are into it. Mercedes not so much but this new X-Class really is a potential laughing stock. It costs them virtually nothing to build and sell over the Nissan, in whose factories it is built, down the same production line. The ‘name’ of a luxury product is hard earned and it is hard to lose loyal customers, but some brands do very hard, it seems, to try and lose their own reputation through taking the pish. You can only hoodwink your customers so far before reputation is lost.
Too Shmart - As a Leica M6 ttl user as well as several other brands I find I have to agree Fuji are way ahead offer a decent range of gear not cheap but not expensive and unlike Sony a joy to use.
Leica has never been a luxury product. It has always been the camera with the best optics you could buy... in fucking 1970 We, the consumers let Leica continue with their ridiculous stupid prices. Right now they are dying, that’s why they have made plastic cameras and sold their name to put it in the back of a cheap Chinese phone.
Chris - you seem to effortlessly and endlessly get great photos no matter what camera you’re reviewing 9even one you don’t like!). Maybe you could do a video and talk about how you compose shots? Jordan - the colour on the Eva looks really nice. Would it be possible to emulate it on a GH5?
The colour is very similar to a GH5, with a bit of a magenta boost in the mid tones. Using V-Log on a GH5, you could replicate these colours without too much hassle, though you will have a bit less dynamic range.
....that is true, and unlike many other reviewers (Steve H..cough..) who wouldn’t know a good photo if one infected their sd card. But also spare kudos for Jordan, the video guy with an equally sharp sense of composition... making Chris look good in the most mundane sertings.
that "red dot for off" or "not ready for shooting" is quite common and logical ( think of the hasselblad A 12 film backs, and the film advance / camera cocked indicators)- it works exactly the same way!!, and the M 240 and M 9 / M 7 use this as their off switch too.
Great review and slick video as always. Actually I could say that you, David Thorpe and Darren Miles are the best reviewers on the tubesphere. It is refreshing to see an honest review slicing and dicing the equipment from the point of view of the actual user regardless of the adoration piece you might be assessing.
I have never cared about Leica, never stick around for any reviews on Leica. BUT, because it's you guys, I always enjoy seeing your reviews. Keep it up. And when are you coming to California! (just careful where you step, you might catch on fire)
You should have spent the time to really learn the menu system. If you had you would realize that it's very simple to use. You imply that the user is constantly changing the the function key. That's not it's purpose. It's to choose the one function that works best for you. In the menu you can pick up to the fifteen favorites that are most important to you as favorites. They come up first when you go to the menu. And of course you have to go to a different screen to change your choices. I also have a Sony. The Leica system is incredibly simple when compared to the Sony.
Are you already testing the New GH5? To Jordan, does this camera have CDAF? and hoe does it perform in CAF in video? - I wonder if there is any hope for a good CAF GH5s...
I don't think you guys have done a video on the nikon 16-80 2.8-4, if I'm wrong I'm sorry, but I would love to see that vid happen. Great work all around guys, love these videos.
Leica as well as a few others make adapters that convert M mount to the L mount. In addition Voigtlander recently release a 50mm in the L mount. No doubt others will follow.
I disagree with the viewfinder comment, it does have a lag...I tried it and I had my Fujifilm X100F to compared it against and the Leica CL viewfinder does lag. I also removed the battery and it was made by Panasonic, so the made in Germany is not so!
I never get tired of Chris’ real talk reviews. I have to make sure I stop laughing at the well placed comments and facial expressions. He’s truly knowledgeable. Great team!
Enjoyed your video Chris. Many Thanks. Leica is like the Morgan in the car world; you can get a far better car for the money you pay but still people love Morgan despite (or rather because of) its old technology. I use Sony A7 family for my work but still have Leica as a TOY (only those old second hand ones due to budgetary constraint). Keep up your good work, Chris; entertaining and educational.
Thanks Lenny ;) Yay! Hope to do some good for the UK :D Though we are not a camera store so the likelihood for us to play with hundreds of different products are limited, but I am a pro and we will bring in more shooting tips and stuff later on top of our usual gear reviews (stuff that I use), anyway, greetings from London!
When Chris said please click subscribe, they are so close to 300k, I don't know why I am so panic to find subscribe button but then found out I already subscribed...
I’m sure some business rationale underlies Leica’s decision to make this camera, but I really concur with Chris’ final thoughts. Cameras like this are almost a commodity that consumers choose based mainly on price-to-feature ratio, and Leica has seldom been known for building commodity products. I say stick to making unique products, and don’t try to slug it out with the likes of Sony, Panasonic, and Fuji for a share of the crowded market for mirrorless compacts.
do a comparison between sony rx100 mark v and sony a6300 with kit lens and show daytime full resolution shared on any of you blog or any website you prefer and also night time shoot with best you can do with particular camera in a particular scene not setting matching... means if in night what an a6300 can do and what it can produce with its kit lens and in the same light what sony rx100 v can do with its own best possible setting and also potrait mode comparison..both priced same in my country and maybe in all other countries its similar story..
There should be an option to subscribe twice - refreshing honesty and great charisma, combined with articulacy, makes for one THE best review channels - my only issue with it is... there should be more...;)
great video-Monochrome leica is about the only one I covet. Jordan EVA1 looks amazing, noticed no blow highlights. Where you shooting in Log? Let's see an EVA1 review.
This was all shot on Log. Glad you liked the look, I still need to practice working on these EVA1 files. Might do an EVA1 review, but I need to shoot a lot more with it first. Jordan @ TCSTV
MenuStruggleTV - I’m very far from being Leica fanboy, but this “review” was embarrassing to watch… So you don’t care/don’t see any difference in IQ, don’t like design or menus... The end.
That thumb support is more expensive than a nifty fifty f/1.8 from Canon and Nikon. Let that sink in. A piece of metal with a slight curve at one end (that stops you being able to mount flashes, bubble levels or any other accoutrement) costs more than an entire lens.
Great review and realistic look at what Leica is producing. But that's not what caught my attention in the video. Rather it was how tight that jacket looked on Chris. What's up with that?
I have the tl2, got the cl recently and I have to say it’s way better than the tl2 except design and built quality. If you shoot an M and looking for a smaller and lighter second camera, cl is the closest thing you can get. The tl2 is beautiful, but it’s not like an M.
A very honest video on a camera I liked the look and spec of (not that I can remotely afford!), but unfortunately seems to be a frustrating design. Surely Leica could have taken some tips from their partner, Panasonic, who have menus and ergonomics well sorted.
CHRIS LJ I care a lot more than most would think. Our channel owes everything to all of you and that's why we continue to be honest as possible. Chris@TCSTV
Maybe you´re telling me, that I don´t get this distinct Leica-je-ne-sais-quoi, but you know what: there are fantastic Sony A6000 deals out there at the moment! This camera may not have a touch screen and 4k (both of which you´d get with an A6500), but apart from that it technically has everything the Leica CL has and much, much more! And honestly: I´ve had a great time using my Sony for quite a while now! So if it´s just about getting fantastic shots.....
its not a lumix, i love the panasonic menu the touch screen and a small touch of leica look. @snippephotography the panasonic gx80 or gx8 looks the better choice 16mp and m4/3 ony i think a lot better grip and menu
Have to say from the very first look I didnt like this camera, I thought it was the ugliest body Leica has ever made. I bought the X113 unseen when it came out and was knocked out by how good it was; the image quality was astonishing to the extent that it ended a 30 year love affair with Nikon. What I most liked was the simple basic interface and the very Bauhaus style EVF. Clearly the CL was designed to upgrade the X range replacing the X113 (which never seemed as popular as the X1 & X2 for some reason despite having a superb Summilux lens; a true mini Q) and Vario (which nobody liked) to integrate the X line with the T system. If they had based the CL on the X113 and upgraded the interface by improving the touch screen to the T levels then I am sure this camera would have been a winner. As it is, your in-depth demonstration of the CL interface has convinced me that the camera is even worse than I thought at first. Myself I bought a used Leica T and some adapter rings and converted my legacy Nikkor primes to Leica M mount selling my Nikon digital bodies, I will keep the X113 as i love the interface and the images from the 23mm f1.7 Summilux are astonishing (has to be said the Nikkor primes give better images on the T than they ever did on a Nikon) and for my new Camera system I bought Panasonic; the Panasonic and the Leica X113 & T beautifully complement each other and the MFT system gives me all the performance I could ever want ;-)
Owning a Leica is like wearing a Rolex watch, why pay more for a device that doesn’t give you more than others, the emotional and ego satisfaction is a part of the charm. CL is like a Mercedes C class, sucks but does wear the red dot for people can’t afford the real stuff. I have admit I’m one of them, bought a Q2 and convinced myself I bought a Leica lens and the body is free.
He says you can't do this and you can't do that with it when you can. He says it doesn't do this and it doesn't do that when it does. He says the menu is confusing. It is for him because he's not worked it out yet. He obviously didn't get to know it well enough.
I have a CL and this review is out of date because of new firmware and many more lenses available, including many with OIS. There was no L Mount Alliance with Panasonic and Sigma when this review was done.
This is the second review of the camera that I ever see, and all the photos are amazing!
Chris always keeps it 100. Why I love this channel. Well, one of the reasons. He and Jordan also come across as likable fellas.
Tin Jos Totally agree. C and J has definitely put Calgary on my list of future travel destinations. Of course only to visit TCS - and some nice pub :-)
Completely likable. While driving across Canada last year, this was the the only place I stopped in Calgary. Jordan was incredibly patient in taking his time to understand my needs and super helpful in getting me the right gear once he had done so.
They're Canadians! They're all nice. Except for Steve. He's a jerk.
Hi Chris & Jordan,
Even though I'm not the slightest bit interested in this camera, or many you have shop windowed.. I must say I find Chris' presentation, enthusiasm, and personality totally infectious; and as such, I really look forward to your content.. As usual Jordan's filming makes all your stuff so slick and professional it's a pleasure to watch... really hat's off here...
This is only my second comment on your page.. first was on the Nikon F4, and I agreed with your Canadian buddy a POS.. , but felt here I needed to say I look forward to your posts.. cheers Gareth
Chris is a treasure to the camera community. I watch every video just like you.
And yet, I still want one
I come from Nikon World. Here are some of my comments from someone who actually uses/owns a CL:
SETTINGS: it's initially confusing and not intuitive but once you get used to it, it works fine. I think I could say the same for most other camera makes out there.
EVF: I'm coming from a Nikon D700 so having an EVF like this is a nice upgrade. I guess there are better EVFs but this works fine for me: bright and clear which is the most important thing.
RED DOT OFF: Initially I got confused as well but once you know, it's not a problem unless you regularly use multiple cameras - lol.
IMAGE STABILIZATION: not an issue for me; just use higher ISO. Adding this to the CL would have increased the cost and size, ie., Leica SL/SL2.
GRIP: yes, it sucks having to pay Leica prices for a grip and thumb holder so I got both from Lim's: Metal Grip Case and Thumb Holder for a lot less.
HIGH PRICE: yes, it sucks but this is a Leica. Get it used.
This is the perfect entry to LEICA image quality in a smaller body. Although this reviewer raises good points, the Leica CL is a really really good APC camera that allows use of Leica lenses. I think it's better than the TL2 but that's my opinion. If you want to get into Leica glass, want a compact body, and prefer more dials than touch screens, this is a good entry point.
The reviewer is somewhat entertaining but keep in mind, these are his OPINIONS and priorities on what he considers important; he's obviously a milennial with little patience and high expectations. Most of his issues are not deal-breakers, especially after having used the camera for some time.
I would recommend you try out this camera from your dealer. It's going for around $3K with the 18mm pancake lens which is a pretty good deal for a NEW Leica; start saving up!
Great comments, and I totally agree.
"Hate greyed out without feedback" yeah same here Fuji does that too. Drives me nuts at times.
At least it's expensive
A year ago I started shooting film. In August my Mom gave me a full auto Minolta Hi-Matic CS without a working shutter and a rangefinder. I’m a video guy who likes to manuell focus and do street photography and the instant I put my eye through the viewfinder, I fell utterly in love. It was like a calling when I turned the focusing ring. I started to inform myself on rangefinders and of course came across Leica.
I pretty much have no patriotic sentiments whatsoever but I have to admit that I am a tiny bit proud that I come from the same country the cameras out of Wetzlar come from. I never was a big fan of Zeiss lenses, they’ve always looked a bit sterile to my eye, but I really stated to like the Leica look. Technically almost perfect lenses but still with lots of character. I started to look for a range finder camera tried one like the Minolta for €20 and after I got the images back immediately started looking for an M. I didn’t even bother long with digital and decided on an M5 very quickly. I got one with some scratches but otherwise fully functional and CLAed and a 35mm pre war Elmar and a Jupiter 8 all for around €1100. And it’s been the best thing ever. Now that I have some training I can take a picture with all exposer values and focus in around 15-20 seconds (granted with negativ film). The camera has been an absolute tank, never let me down. My Jupiter did though so I just ordered a Leitz 50mm Summarit f1.5 from the 50’s and I cant wait to test that myself. Yes I sometimes dream of an M10 or the special editions like the M-D or the Monochrome but there is no way I could or would be willing to pay this much money when I can simply pop in a roll of Portra or Tri-X or Acros and get colors that even a little bit nicer than the maestro engine. I still think that Leica has a place in today’s world. But it makes me sad to think that they decided to become a luxury brand instead of the innovative tool makers they once were. My M5 cost around $7.000(adjusted for inflation) as well when it first came out. But it was tool made for artist and journalists, the first rangefinder with TTL metering and pretty much the only thing that will be able to fight the Nokia 3310. I wish they’d still make and price cameras for people who actually need them for their work and not for people to feel prestigious. I fully stand behind the current Leica M glass, in that I know the correlation between cost and the last 5% of image quality that they are trying to achieve but a Summarit f2.4 cost one and a half grand. How about a camera that aspiring photographers can save their money for? I couldn’t be happier with my M5. Sure film isn’t free but I need to shoot more than another year to get to the point where a Sony A7 III or even longer for the Leica CL (both with lens) would have cost the same as my M5 two and one broken lens and a whole bunch of film and development and scanning....
The Leica M5 would be an awesome camera for unsung cameras of yesteryears.
I tried it at Leica store and I loved it. Can’t wait to get it and go out for a test.
I love it when Jordan does the quick tl;dr sections for video.
I agree that the handling for the CL is a bit off, without the grip or thumb tab. HOWEVER, with those items, the camera is an absolute pleasure to use. The thumb rest provides space that effectively eliminates accidental turning of the wheels on the top, but they are still accesible. The grip is awesome, and the two in combination make it all the better. I shoot full manual with adapted M-mount lenses, plus the kit 18mm in manual focus mode.
I don't use or care about autofocus.
This review should specify the reviewer's personal preferences/use, for context. I find it funny him complaining about things that are actually reasons I love this camera. "it makes me have to slow down before taking a photo". EXACTLY. For people (like me) who are not needing hyper fast, fully automated modern functionality (which I understand for sports photography or working pros), the CL offers a great tactile shooting experience, especially when partnered with adapted M glass.
For me, this camera is pure bliss. I'm coming from a FujiFilm xPro2 (with grip) and GFX50r, and the Leica is hands down more enjoyable in all aspects. I can turn the rear screen off, there is a delightfully minimal presence of buttons (I hate rear screens and tons of buttons).
So, it goes to show you that not all people will find all cameras to fit their needs.
"The image quality is great and all, but" LOL! Best images I've seen on this channel so far to be honest. You sold me on this camera.
1:52 kai reference lul
Did you think to spend ten minutes learning the menu settings beforehand?
P Maitra there’s nothing to learn the menus are underpowered that’s his point. Have the Q2 and find his observations to be accurate.
Great work as usual! I was recently doing a lot of research on this camera and your channel is the only one that talked about the real issues in great details. Hope I wasnt too late to leave a comment.
The so-called issues are really non-issues and nitpicks. If your priority is getting a good shot, this is as enjoyable to use as it gets. I have the X100T and X-pro2 and I can honestly say they don't even come close to the joy of using the CL. And the image quality? Don't even go there.
There is a difference between a guy who is knowledgeable and a guy who appears to be knowledgeable.
I watched the video a couple of time in the last 6 months, went to a camera store and the Photokina for a hands on with the Leica CL and the Z6/Z7. As a long time Nikon shooter I decided buying the Leica CL over the Z7 in spite of this video (Z7 only costs a little more than the CL kit). Watching the Chris Niccolls video again after used the CL for a while lets me wonder whether Niccolls got a different Leica model or did this video unprepared.
Many issues mentioned in the video show that he did not take the time to read the manual, to consider the target of this camera, or reconsider his shooting habits. If you shoot a 24MP Leica in Fuji or Sony style, I agree, you end up with Fuji or Sony quality images since often their lenses are the limiting factor in particularly with today's high MP sensors. Then the Leica CL is indeed a waste of money for these people.
If you rethink your way of taking images, or would used to use the factor settings for a while to learn more photography, you are rewarded with stellar breathtaking images CL that sadly reveals the limitation of my f2.8 Nikon lenses at a fraction of the weight. But your millage might vary: a Fuji/Sony might be a much better option for some people who have different expectation on the IQ, an are not willing to invest the necessary time for improving their craft. People prefer to blame the camera for their personal limitations (skills, money etc).
Frithjof B I’d love to know what you’re actually saying
The EVA1 image looks great! Those colours👌🏻
Footage from the Panasonic EVA1 looks really good
my biggest problem was also no image stabilization, i never ended up buying it, but just wondering, in reality, does it matter that much?
Chris, you are the best talking head of the photo RUclips channels. You could easily be top anchor on any major tv news corp. Love the channel, loath the camera!
Wonderful little camera. Light and compact. It’s APS-C sensor matches my FF M10 in quality. It’s a perfect street shooter with the 18mm Elmarit 2.8 lens.
Takes M lenses wonderfully too. The EVF makes shooting a fast lens like the 0.95 Noctilux easy.
If you like the simply, slow shooting style of the M series then this CL will be a great camera for you.
However, the M lenses don't work that well on the CL as they're optimised for the M range
@@MikeKleinsteuber They do with the adapter
has anyone tested the Sigma 16 33 and 56 L mount with the CL ?
My first Leica was a CL, then after buying a TL2, I fell out of love with the CL due to its comparative ergonomics. I then bought an SL2 (which I refer to as ‘the brick’) but only take it out when I’m not travelling too far. When it becomes available, I’m now looking at getting a Q3 which looks a beauty!! Let’s see.
Great vid as always. Enjoyed the 10 sec cameo by Jordan!
You don't seem to understand Leica lens 'look' while going on about precision: Leica lenses aren't calculated on best possible sharpness and are oft crafted for a particular look rather than SLR workhorse industry standard sharpness and/or value.
Mercedes, Bentley, Rolex, etc, all luxury brands that started off as luxury brands and still at the forefront of technology in their respective fields. Leica today makes absolutely no sense to me with their business model. Who the hell would buy a Honda Accord with all the features removed "re-badged" as a Mercedes E class but at 5x the cost. Mercedes would be the laughing stock of Germany if they did such a thing. Leica is basically selling their name and "art" designswith these cameras. The Lotus Elise has the engine of a Toyota but that car is amazing because it was engineered *AND* designed by Lotus, they didnt strip a Camry to its frame and put new skin on it and called it a Lotus.
Too Shmart
Hmm. Mercedes use Renault engines and transmissions in several smaller models and have just launched a ‘premium’ pickup, the X-Class, which is a tarted up Nissan Navara NP300, complete with Renault four cylinder diesel engines and Aisin Warner seven speed automatic transmissions, exactly the same as Nissan use. It looks like Mercedes’ interpretation of the Hasselblad Lunar and is already getting more than a few laughs. It costs nearly double the Nissan version after discounts.
Huw, You are completely off in terms of price and the meaning of the word *skin* . Its great companies work together. The best Nikon cameras have Sony sensors, but is the D850 a Sony engineered camera? This Leica is Panasonic engineered and *skinned* as a Leica. Nikon, Mercedes,BMW, etc may use parts from other manufactures but that is just that.... *PARTS!* The elephant in the room is the price for what you get, you and I know that.
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I am old enough and been in the industry long enough to know badge engineering when I see it and am very into detail engineering. Mercedes and VAG are into it. Mercedes not so much but this new X-Class really is a potential laughing stock. It costs them virtually nothing to build and sell over the Nissan, in whose factories it is built, down the same production line.
The ‘name’ of a luxury product is hard earned and it is hard to lose loyal customers, but some brands do very hard, it seems, to try and lose their own reputation through taking the pish. You can only hoodwink your customers so far before reputation is lost.
Too Shmart - As a Leica M6 ttl user as well as several other brands I find I have to agree Fuji are way ahead offer a decent range of gear not cheap but not expensive and unlike Sony a joy to use.
Leica has never been a luxury product.
It has always been the camera with the best optics you could buy... in fucking 1970
We, the consumers let Leica continue with their ridiculous stupid prices.
Right now they are dying, that’s why they have made plastic cameras and sold their name to put it in the back of a cheap Chinese phone.
It looks a lot like my Leica Q2 which I love using. Yeah the price does seems a little high.
Chris - you seem to effortlessly and endlessly get great photos no matter what camera you’re reviewing 9even one you don’t like!). Maybe you could do a video and talk about how you compose shots?
Jordan - the colour on the Eva looks really nice. Would it be possible to emulate it on a GH5?
The colour is very similar to a GH5, with a bit of a magenta boost in the mid tones. Using V-Log on a GH5, you could replicate these colours without too much hassle, though you will have a bit less dynamic range.
Scott Maclean I really appreciate that Scott. Thank you. I'm not sure everyone would agree, but thank you.
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....that is true, and unlike many other reviewers (Steve H..cough..) who wouldn’t know a good photo if one infected their sd card. But also spare kudos for Jordan, the video guy with an equally sharp sense of composition... making Chris look good in the most mundane sertings.
C Macd very good point. I love Jordan’s work (it’s his fault I bought a GH5 - which I love actually)
that "red dot for off" or "not ready for shooting" is quite common and logical ( think of the hasselblad A 12 film backs, and the film advance / camera cocked indicators)- it works exactly the same way!!, and the M 240 and M 9 / M 7 use this as their off switch too.
Wow, the footage looks awesome. Bravo Jordan!
Great review and slick video as always. Actually I could say that you, David Thorpe and Darren Miles are the best reviewers on the tubesphere. It is refreshing to see an honest review slicing and dicing the equipment from the point of view of the actual user regardless of the adoration piece you might be assessing.
Sad that TCSTV no longer has Chris and Jordan. Watching this for the memories...
I have never cared about Leica, never stick around for any reviews on Leica. BUT, because it's you guys, I always enjoy seeing your reviews. Keep it up. And when are you coming to California! (just careful where you step, you might catch on fire)
You should have spent the time to really learn the menu system. If you had you would realize that it's very simple to use. You imply that the user is constantly changing the the function key. That's not it's purpose. It's to choose the one function that works best for you. In the menu you can pick up to the fifteen favorites that are most important to you as favorites. They come up first when you go to the menu. And of course you have to go to a different screen to change your choices. I also have a Sony. The Leica system is incredibly simple when compared to the Sony.
Efrom Adler the menus may be simple but they’re also anemically underpowered and that was his point. Speaking as a Q2 owner who hates the menus.
Always love the honesty in your videos.
Are you already testing the New GH5?
To Jordan, does this camera have CDAF? and hoe does it perform in CAF in video? - I wonder if there is any hope for a good CAF GH5s...
I don't think you guys have done a video on the nikon 16-80 2.8-4, if I'm wrong I'm sorry, but I would love to see that vid happen. Great work all around guys, love these videos.
What bag is that?
The Eva picture looks nice. What lens is on there?
Love your channel but we want more videos please... (maybe more types of cameras and lenses like the Sony RX0 & Nikkor 70-200 iii)
Why would you always switch the dial modes?
Can you use the Touch AF while looking through the EVF?
I want to buy a Voigtlander lens on my Leica CL, what kind of adapter do I need?
Leica as well as a few others make adapters that convert M mount to the L mount. In addition Voigtlander recently release a 50mm in the L mount. No doubt others will follow.
Thank you for making this nice video about the EVA1.
I disagree with the viewfinder comment, it does have a lag...I tried it and I had my Fujifilm X100F to compared it against and the Leica CL viewfinder does lag. I also removed the battery and it was made by Panasonic, so the made in Germany is not so!
I never get tired of Chris’ real talk reviews. I have to make sure I stop laughing at the well placed comments and facial expressions. He’s truly knowledgeable. Great team!
Talk about screen lag, at 4.00 he sets the back screen which show the store it came from even though he’s next to a lake. That’s some lag
Enjoyed your video Chris. Many Thanks. Leica is like the Morgan in the car world; you can get a far better car for the money you pay but still people love Morgan despite (or rather because of) its old technology. I use Sony A7 family for my work but still have Leica as a TOY (only those old second hand ones due to budgetary constraint). Keep up your good work, Chris; entertaining and educational.
Dear Camera Store team. Always good videos what i love to watch. helpfull and informative about new and old products. keep going :D
I am just not a mirrorless shooter...just can’t...but I do enjoy your reviews, keep up the great work!
Why do the photos show Leica TL? Typo? Ahh, just noticed it's the lens.
It's not a typo, it uses the same "TL" lenses as the TL... confusing :)
Red35 Photography yea I noticed and edited my comment. By the way, nice channel you have and nice to see you're for the UK too.
Thanks Lenny ;) Yay! Hope to do some good for the UK :D Though we are not a camera store so the likelihood for us to play with hundreds of different products are limited, but I am a pro and we will bring in more shooting tips and stuff later on top of our usual gear reviews (stuff that I use), anyway, greetings from London!
Beautiful footage with the EVA1 :o
Is it good for video?
11:39 . Short answer, no.
Jordan @ TCSTV
Just checking, you didn’t seem sure in the video :)
When Chris said please click subscribe, they are so close to 300k, I don't know why I am so panic to find subscribe button but then found out I already subscribed...
I’m sure some business rationale underlies Leica’s decision to make this camera, but I really concur with Chris’ final thoughts. Cameras like this are almost a commodity that consumers choose based mainly on price-to-feature ratio, and Leica has seldom been known for building commodity products. I say stick to making unique products, and don’t try to slug it out with the likes of Sony, Panasonic, and Fuji for a share of the crowded market for mirrorless compacts.
do a comparison between sony rx100 mark v and sony a6300 with kit lens and show daytime full resolution shared on any of you blog or any website you prefer and also night time shoot with best you can do with particular camera in a particular scene not setting matching... means if in night what an a6300 can do and what it can produce with its kit lens and in the same light what sony rx100 v can do with its own best possible setting and also potrait mode comparison..both priced same in my country and maybe in all other countries its similar story..
Well... did not expect that, but yeah... love and miss you too ^^''
Great video guys, a pleasure to watch :)
i love you and miss you too Chris!!!!
There should be an option to subscribe twice - refreshing honesty and great charisma, combined with articulacy, makes for one THE best review channels - my only issue with it is... there should be more...;)
great video-Monochrome leica is about the only one I covet. Jordan EVA1 looks amazing, noticed no blow highlights. Where you shooting in Log? Let's see an EVA1 review.
This was all shot on Log. Glad you liked the look, I still need to practice working on these EVA1 files. Might do an EVA1 review, but I need to shoot a lot more with it first.
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What bag does Chris have in this video ?
It's a Cosyspeed Streetomatic+ I think
2 of my favorite things : TCSTV & Leica gear ! Truly I was in a bad mood... but not anymore ! :D
Hi,
Think wanna switch to Leica, any recommend between Leica CL or Q?
Chris I heard you say "Spared no expense" in Richard Attenboro's voice.
Scott Wyllie I love saying that line in the reviews and everytime I do I go right back to Jurassic Park.
Chris@TCSTV
Now we just need you to start saying, "Clever girl..." whenever a camera surprises you with a new move. Keep up the great work TCSTV!
I'm curious. Does Jordan insist that you lean on everything 1:18 3:22 9:41 (examples) or do you like to do that anyway? ;-) hehe
Hooked on Photography I love to lean! Also we are perpetually exhausted.
Chris@TCSTV
You know I'm just messing with ya :-) Take a rest and keep up the good work
Great Jewellery?
And probably the most honest Leica review yet !
A good honest camera review, like it & keep it up.
THIS is the OG "Real world review". Always enjoy your videos. Even if I cannot often afford any of the gear!
Makes the XT-20 look like the deal of the Century. You can buy it with 18-55, 55-200, 23f2 & 60f2.4macro for the price of this body. Face/Palm/Slap
You probably have used only Fuji. Good that you are kept happy with whatever is available. Good luck.
Maybe try Leica lenses first... The glass should be the hart of your system... Not the body... 23f2 is too soft. Just compare it with a Summicron...
AF not as fast as Panasonic's DFD? I'm already worried lol 😋
dunnymonster i don't Leica the AF speed as well...
Eh? Panasonic DFD is lightning fast.
SteadyMTB he was probably referring to Panasonic's continous AF in video
MenuStruggleTV - I’m very far from being Leica fanboy, but this “review” was embarrassing to watch… So you don’t care/don’t see any difference in IQ, don’t like design or menus... The end.
Agree. Poor review (and I’m a non CL user)
Get a Fuji
great video!
really not sure if i should get a CL or a second hand M.
every video just makes my decision process just harder :P
what did you decide?
So, is it going to be TCSTV's Best Camera of the Year?
padam19 Umm....
Lol just saw this, kind of went south
I have an X Vario!!! Yes it is a pig to use but the lens and the image files are incredible. In my opinion :-)
That thumb support is more expensive than a nifty fifty f/1.8 from Canon and Nikon. Let that sink in. A piece of metal with a slight curve at one end (that stops you being able to mount flashes, bubble levels or any other accoutrement) costs more than an entire lens.
What was the video filmed on? Cheers
When can we expect the Kodak Fiesta review?
Great review and realistic look at what Leica is producing. But that's not what caught my attention in the video. Rather it was how tight that jacket looked on Chris. What's up with that?
Why have you labelled the pics with taken on the TL? Is that a mistake ? Should it be the CL?
TL is the lens mount. Confusing as Leica also produce TL & TL2 cameras, I know.
TL is a name of Leica lens mount like EF for Canon or AF for Nikon.
I have the tl2, got the cl recently and I have to say it’s way better than the tl2 except design and built quality. If you shoot an M and looking for a smaller and lighter second camera, cl is the closest thing you can get. The tl2 is beautiful, but it’s not like an M.
A very honest video on a camera I liked the look and spec of (not that I can remotely afford!), but unfortunately seems to be a frustrating design. Surely Leica could have taken some tips from their partner, Panasonic, who have menus and ergonomics well sorted.
We love you too guys :)
"I love you, I miss you ..."
And here we thought you didn't care! 🤗😘
CHRIS LJ I care a lot more than most would think. Our channel owes everything to all of you and that's why we continue to be honest as possible.
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Just kiddin' Chris, keep up the good work. 👍
I so want a Leica, and of course secretly I want you to like this camera
Maybe you´re telling me, that I don´t get this distinct Leica-je-ne-sais-quoi, but you know what: there are fantastic Sony A6000 deals out there at the moment! This camera may not have a touch screen and 4k (both of which you´d get with an A6500), but apart from that it technically has everything the Leica CL has and much, much more! And honestly: I´ve had a great time using my Sony for quite a while now! So if it´s just about getting fantastic shots.....
its not a lumix, i love the panasonic menu the touch screen and a small touch of leica look. @snippephotography
the panasonic gx80 or gx8 looks the better choice 16mp and m4/3 ony i think a lot better grip and menu
Oh man I agree so much. I love my M, but this thing just looks pure panasonic to me, same with the Q but at least that had a great lens
Cool video ... keep up the good work.
Have to say from the very first look I didnt like this camera, I thought it was the ugliest body Leica has ever made. I bought the X113 unseen when it came out and was knocked out by how good it was; the image quality was astonishing to the extent that it ended a 30 year love affair with Nikon. What I most liked was the simple basic interface and the very Bauhaus style EVF. Clearly the CL was designed to upgrade the X range replacing the X113 (which never seemed as popular as the X1 & X2 for some reason despite having a superb Summilux lens; a true mini Q) and Vario (which nobody liked) to integrate the X line with the T system. If they had based the CL on the X113 and upgraded the interface by improving the touch screen to the T levels then I am sure this camera would have been a winner. As it is, your in-depth demonstration of the CL interface has convinced me that the camera is even worse than I thought at first. Myself I bought a used Leica T and some adapter rings and converted my legacy Nikkor primes to Leica M mount selling my Nikon digital bodies, I will keep the X113 as i love the interface and the images from the 23mm f1.7 Summilux are astonishing (has to be said the Nikkor primes give better images on the T than they ever did on a Nikon) and for my new Camera system I bought Panasonic; the Panasonic and the Leica X113 & T beautifully complement each other and the MFT system gives me all the performance I could ever want ;-)
but the Fuji doesn't have stabilisation either. That is pretty maddening for me.
At least Fuji have a number of stabilized lenses...
But the Fuji FX 18-55 DOES HAVE OIS plus is weather sealed
But what do you think aboot the menus? 😆
“against the Sony a7R, are you F@*$%^!+ kidding me?” hahahahahaha too funny.
Owning a Leica is like wearing a Rolex watch, why pay more for a device that doesn’t give you more than others, the emotional and ego satisfaction is a part of the charm. CL is like a Mercedes C class, sucks but does wear the red dot for people can’t afford the real stuff. I have admit I’m one of them, bought a Q2 and convinced myself I bought a Leica lens and the body is free.
the criticism on the red dot for power on/off is just pedantic. there is a ton of goodness on this camera. the reviewer is just getting grumpy
"14:00" you could always use a monopod???
Great review. Thanks. Looking forward to the Leica TL2 review. LOL.
He says you can't do this and you can't do that with it when you can. He says it doesn't do this and it doesn't do that when it does. He says the menu is confusing. It is for him because he's not worked it out yet. He obviously didn't get to know it well enough.
better than tl. also can be armored by lens of SL.