Mark is the First Gospel | Dr. John S. Kloppenborg
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In this live stream, Professor John S. Kloppenborg returns to History Valley podcast to explain why scholarship concluded that Mark is the First Gospel and explains why Matthew and Luke are independently using Mark while not using each other. Some critics of Markan priority who believe in either a Proto-Mark or Matthean priority point to the minor agreements in which Matthew and Luke agree with each other against Mark in material seen by some as more primitive in wording than Mark and Dr. Kloppenborg will address this as well.
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Dear Jacob, can’t thank you enough for these great interviews with top-notch scholars!
Dr. Kloppenborg is a fantastic guest, a very clear thinker and very good at explaining these complex ideas. I also appreciate his honest and open minded approach to the various hypotheses.
This is an excellent summary of the issues and theories
most YT videos on religion and history I tend to just have on "in the background". your channel is the rare exception where I actually want to pay attention. I love this!
Always a good show
The best case for Q
The King James version says his friends said he is beside himself, but other translations say family or relatives. Why the different translations? Which is really correct?
Joses uncle of Jesus (see the clowns family-tree)
Dr. Kloppenborg's research is excellent, His interpretation of Mark based on its componsition in 70 CE is the literary version of astrology.
The version of Mark based on astronomy begins with Pilate's lost euangelion to Tiberius cited by Tertullian in Book V, Apolology, Cornelius was the executive editor of the staff appreciation of the combintion of Peter's testimony of campaigning with Jesus and the contents of Quelle, which was the intelligence archives of the 10th Legon that had a file on Jesus of Nazareth as a routine surveillence history, like a surveillene camera in a cold case.
The important connection is between the Talking Cross of the Gospel of Peter and Mark 15:1 - 16:8, which is based entirely on Roman testimony after the fact, beginning with the crucifixison.
Much of the dialogue in scriptures is Romantic in the sense that it is a description of moment of great emotion recalled in tranquility, The rececorded response of the centurion in Mark 15:39 is an interprelation of his actual first response, which was more like “Oops!” That whole “Father, Forgive them” thing took on a new meaning,
That's the verstion of Mark based on astronomy,
Cornelius and John were quarter-makers, tent-makers, an other name for John is actually Qartus. they cleared the way for Jesus.
@willempasterkamp862 @willempasterkamp862 I am not sure I quite understand what that means,
i was reminded from my notes that Dr. Kloppenborg coined the excellent metric "linguistic register" we are considering the scriptures from the perspective of 2999 years of an enormously expanded universe of words and concepts to co consider the actions of people stumbling around with vocabularies that lacked any perspective of what they were doing and experiencing in their immediate social context, much less the cross cultural context we can take for granted.
I mean, the reason why the Hellenistic Jews developed the Septuagint was because the Jews were delighted to the new realms the Greek lexicon of 250,000 - 350000 words opened for the Torah's 8000 words to fully explore Elohim the vert of Genesis 11
I have understood that the Hebrew lexicon at that time was about 80000 words, Lawrence Troster reflects that the Jews of the 1st Century Alexandria milieu of Philo adopted Greek's capacity to reduce any anthropomorphic characterizations of Elohim the verb, I have not doe a survey of Jewish scholars on my own, but Troster and Henry Abramson don't begin to demonstrate the ideological neurosis of Christian scholars over Josephus. My limited sample suggests that Jewish scholars accept Josephus pretty much at face value as delightfully authentic portrait of first century Jewish culture. They just love Josephus while Christian scholars who are hostage to the Marxist restrictions of Post Modern Historic Deconstruction pretty much have they collective panties in a knot trying to reconcile the primacy of Pauline theology to the pre-Christian Dead Sea scroll sources of Jesus's calling the children of the Syrophoenician woman's daughter a dog.
Like the global academe, universally, Dr. Kloppenborg is captive to the Post Modern Historical Deconstruction of the 60;s anti-war movement which rejects Hegel,. As a consequence, his scholarship is like that of an astrologer whose charts are organized by a geocentric solar system, The data of his charts is perfectly valid, which in actual astrology, became the basis for the Hubble Telescope, but he hasn't quite made the breakthrough hsi "linguistic register" insight promises,
Molly Worthen's recent testimony regarding the process they experienced which led her to accept the absolute reality of the historic reality of the Resurrection is an example of an astrologer reorganizing her charts around a heliocentric solar system, in this case, N.T. Wright,, who is as captive of the Post Modern Historic Deconstruction as John Dominic Crossan,
The difference being that Crossan, and Jimmy tabor of the Weather Underground, employ dialectical Marxism to eliminate the contradiction of Christology from their Jesus Seminar ideology while Wright is the personification of dialectical Idealism and his interpretation of Pauline Christology is imbued with, and suffused by, the Christology of Jesus of Nazareth, Messiah, Wright rejects Hegel as enthusiastically as the rest of the Boomer academics, but his sort of fussy Simply Christian righteousness caused a crack in the cosmic egg of Molly Worthen, who is still coming to grips with the mystery of her ephiphany,
And that's exactly the point: Jesus of Nazareth is a fucking mystery, He is a Paradox. No matter ow you may want to put the historic Jesus into your little secular box and put Him of a shelf with all your other action figures, like Seinfeld with Superman, He's not in John Dominic Crossan's Marxist box.
Apollo 11 is my best explanation for why Jesus IS, the 19th Amendment and Taylor Swift fall into that category, along with Joe Biden's re=election, including the cosmic drama of the Stop the Steal agenda of the anti-Christ. The Triangulation of N.T. Wright's interpretation of Pauline Theology, Molly Worthen wresting with the mystery of Resurrection and Dr, John S Kloppenborg's seminal metric, Linguistic Register, is absolute, metaphysical evidence that you don't have to believe in Hegel to arrive at the same place his Phenomenology of Spirt will take you,
And that place is the Talking Cross of Pilate's lost euangelion, Amen,
It looks like Matthew has a lot more from Mark than Luke has from Mark.
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Half of this video is him saying Uhhhh mmmmm Uuuuuuuuh Immmmm ummmmmmm
he ain't woke