I loved this video Teddy! And you are sooo right, this could really situate itself as the middleman between Seiko & Grand Seiko. I think it could be a really smart move!! The only shame, like you said, is the movement. It feels almost unforgivable... They release a watch that enthusiasts will primarily get excited about.... But then don't put in the movement it ought to have. So close to being perfection!!!
Great point. I have just bought an old King Seiko 5626-7111 (1973 model). Mint condition and has a 28,800vph movement - the same as most current luxury brands. I missed out on buying a vintage 5626-7000, which contained a hi-beat 36,000vph movement. The movement they put in is a joke. May as well have thrown an NH35 in. It's mass produced which isn't a problem, but it's in the Presage and other regular seiko models, which blurs the lines between 'seiko' and 'King seiko' that they're trying to re-distinguish. It's a bit counter productive from that perspective. They should have at least thrown a 28,800vph movement in, imo.
I don't know why some people are so obsessed with the movement. Most people just put on their watches on special occasions, or don't worry about the time being accurate to the second. I just see my watch as a fashion accessory that looks nice when I go out. Sometimes I don't even bother setting the time. Most of the time I am using my computer, or checking my phone anyways. So I'm not worried about the time.
I bought the vertically brushed version and absolutely love it when I wear it. I bought it from my AD and I got him to come down significantly on the price because we have an established relationship, having bought my Grand Seikos from him in the past. Sure the movement has historically been inaccurate, but I think they stepped up their QC to make sure the movements put in these get a little more attention (based on the great accuracy of my watch and, now, the example Teddy showed as well). The bracelet is what sold me on the piece and it has not disappointed. To me it's the best modern interpretation of the highly articulated bracelets of the past King Seikos.
They should change the logo like they did on Grand Seiko, remove the Seiko on top and replace it with King Seiko so that it can also stand out on its own.
I totally agree with you Teddy. Well said! I am very hyped right now and really hope that they are going to do a King Seiko project (watches between 1000-3000 $). If this watch had a 4-hz movement, see through caseback and just a little bit of finishing on the movement too, i'd be buying it by tomorrow. I love Seiko watches, but I want to go upmarket for my next watch and spend more on a good watch, but I'm not in the Grand Seiko budget yet. Fingers crossed they read that! 🤞
The sad thing is that the 4hz version of this King Seiko is almost $3000 used. Which imo isn’t even worth it with how close that is to Grand Seiko USED prices. Especially with the SBGW231 selling close to $3100 in like new used condition(and being a wayyyy better watch with a much better movement than the 4hz they used for the KSK)
I think you’ve totally nailed it Teddy… I love the idea of having a King Seiko in my collection, but at the price that they’re asking they must put a high-beat movement in the watch. Something within COSC Tolerances and high-beat are an absolute must
@@shuycg Sinn, Oris and about 30 other brands that use an ETA (or clone) Elaborate grade movement. 30 is just a guess it’s probably many more. Are those movements actually COSC certified? No, But they’re high beat in their tolerances are a whole lot better than the crappy movement they’re giving you in the ‘king Seiko’…. The King Seiko is a Presage/SARX line Watch ($400-900) with King slapped on the dial.
@@johnbuckmaster569 wait, are you calling 4Hz high beat? Also, those watches with non cosc certified calibers from Selita or ETA are sold with an promised accuracy far less that the chronometre standard. The fact that they are typically more accurate is not so different to the situation we have here with KS. They promise a pretty underwhelming accuracy but Teddy found this one to be much more accurate. Back to frequency. Most ETA calibers are either 40h Power Reserve (PR) with 4Hz or 80h PR but with 3Hz. Selita's version is mostly 40h/4Hz. But again I believe high beat is more than the usual 4Hz.
Hi beat for 1700$ gi drink some Swiss kool aid, while 6R35 is not the best but to ask for hi beat or 6L35 for only 1700$ is impossible unless you think of seiko as a garbage cheap brand
@@entroheat Seiko IS a Rubbish cheap brand. 😫 They're junks for the losers who take public transport to work and can't even afford generic Swiss ETA shitters 😂
I picked a LE lavender dial on a bracelet with a white strap with purple contrast stitching last week in Costa Mesa (for the Mrs - but I’d totally wear it.) Couldn’t be happier. As mentioned in the video, images don’t do it justice. I wish I could add an image because the purple is not shown here and it’s killer. Keep up the great work Teddy. You’re one of the few reviewer AND seller that I actually trust.
I really love the red dial variant of this release. It's an incredible piece in terms of finishing and the general overall looks. Unfortunately, I couldn't justify almost £1500 for one...
I have this one with the red dial. Quite a stunning watch. You have to handle them to see the case work and over all workmanship .it is super comfortable on the wrist. All it really needs is a better movement to be a great watch. Kind of reminds me of my SARX055. Almost a GS, if only for a better motor.
Not sure if I'd buy it immediately, but I would choose it over a lot of other competitors in that price range. Then again, I really like these sharp edges and the finishing on the watch, plus the size is just right from my perspective.
I just ordered one. The jeweler near me sells Seiko 20% off retail so I got a good deal. I'm starting to build my Seiko collection with the king Seiko, sne573 solar diver, save the ocean Antarctica baby tuna and I am on the waiting list for the alpinist spb121 is on backorder should have it by the end of the month. I'm already saving for the GS 007 mechanical and one of the GS heritage models spring drive. I thank you for your knowledge in helping me with my picks
I totally agree with you - a 4hz or 5hz movement would be a big reason to choose this over the top level Seiko (Presage) watches. This would also be consistent with the history of King Seiko and their Hi-Beat line of watches.
It would have been an easier sell for me if Seiko sold this range with close tolerance adjustment and regulation. Your example was running exceedingly well so make it a standard for KS models. This would be a clear differentiation from Seiko where the 4 and 6 series movements more often than not run well out of the box, but are not warranted to do so (I bought a Sumo recently that was at the limit). The watch looks, fit, and finish would take care of the rest of the price tag.
I have read some articles which pointed out that King Seiko and Grand Seiko were of the same level in the 1960s and in actual fact started as competition between the two factories to out best each other to bring their outmost best watchmaking. If that story is correct, then the finishing and quality of the King Seikos are on par or equal to Grand Seiko during that time. Of course, grand seiko won in the end and was adopted. If you see some King Seikos in the 1960s you can clearly see the 44 GS case finishing inspiration. 😊
There are finishes that even exceed Grand Seiko back in the day. Like check out the VANAC line from King Seiko. Some of those bracelets and case geometries were never achieved by Grand Seiko.
I've been wearing this watch (red dial) now for nearly two years. It's a great design and the 6R31 is very very accurate. On one occasion I had to demagnetise it because it was beginning to gain over a minute/day. I don't understand why people have been slating the 6R31: it's a great movement. interestingly the 6R35 does seem to attract the same criticism even though it is the same movement (but with the date complication). Eitherway, I can recommend this timepiece, even though I exclusively wear it on a leather strap. Thanks for your balanced reviews, Teddy.
I own the red dial version and it's a stunning watch. The finishing seems a step up from the presage. And the bracket is better than most GS bracelets. I initially thought I wouldn't buy it because of the moment but I was too mesmerized by the dial and finishing. And great news it seems that it keep time very well. For the money I wish it had a better movement, but I wouldn't say it's a terrible movement, it's average. Amazing watch tho. Feels like an affordable GS and has scratched that GS itch
Love the looks of the king Seiko. My only gripe is the movement. The price point calls for something better than a movement that can be found in their more economical models. Seiko might want to consider using the King Seiko brand for a line of watches from maybe $1500 TO $4500 with better movements and finishing. The lineup would be Seiko, King Seiko, Grand Seiko, and Credor. Each step you would move up a level of quality and craftsmanship.
The movement is fine. I regulated mine on arrival and now getting a steady +2/day. It is no worse than the 2824 in the Tudor Black Bay at nearly double what I paid for the KS. Watch is lovely and definitely a keeper.
@@dgbucko It is a reasonable movement but the point is that Seiko has placed 6r movments in watches at way lower price points. Have the Sarb 017 & 035, two great, punch above their weight, well finished watches with 6r15 movements. Both cost me around £400/$485 each. Have only seen the King Seiko on RUclips reviews, so can't comment on the finish but I dont really think an extended power reserve is worth the extra high cost.
Great review Teddy! I have a Grand Seiko and while it does not get a lot of wrist time, it's my favorite watch in my collection. p.s. you inspired me to start my own watch channel!
I have red version and I really like this watch! I bought it with 15% discount and it was around 1400$. In my opinion, the price is ok and watch looks great. Accuracy on my hand +3 sec per day. I didn’t find any other “red” watches which I liked, within this budget.
King Seiko NEEDS to be its own brand. It serves as an amazing buffer to carry people from their first watch to the most incredible pieces in the world. There is a great oppertunity, but i think many companies have learned before that you need to separate the market segments. Toyota and Lexus are separate for a reason
Great review Teddy and spot on. I have the red version. The finishing of the markers are not perfect with some scuff marks under macro view though. I guess the silver sun burst dial hides them well due to lower contrast compared to the darker dials. The movement is ok and frankly quite surprised that it's less than 5s drift. I suspect a more attentive adjustment is made on the king seikos. Anyway, I'm hopeful that Seiko will stay true to KS' mantra of superb accuracy and high beat movement (like in the past) at some point.
I picked up the red dial version. I love this watch. Until you see it and feel it in real life you simply cannot understand it. The movement will not win any arguments on paper but it will run forever, with less maintenance than a higher beat movement. And if I want to get it super accurate, I will have it regulated. This watch is for the seiko fans or the fans of mid century design or those that appreciate Japanese craftsmanship and culture. This watch is not a gateway into watch culture it is a sign you have picked your tribe. I am super happy seiko made a watch for the enthusiast that does not cost grand seiko money.
I personally like this king Seiko. A sensible looking and I'm sure we'll made watch that will last the tests of time. I may be in a minority here but I actually prefer solid case backs as well on mechanical watches.
Agreed on a solid case pack… Although nicely finish movements I consider an exception… How are of the movement of this watch is pedestrian and actually leans towards ugly.
I really love vintage seikos I have 2 aussie rogue variants blue and yellow and also have a lord marvel 36000 these are my favourite watches I currently own
I think positioning King Seiko as an independent brand that lies between Seiko and Grand Seiko as an affordable/entry-level luxury brand competing with the likes of Longines and Baume & Mercier would be a smart move for Seiko.
Great analysis. When considering a watch, I always check out the used market as well. If my criteria is a high quality Japanese watch, I would definitely prefer Grand Seiko SBGX models in the 37mm case, which can be found for 1000-1400 range easily.
The limited edition SJE083 is a modern King Seiko I’d love to see. But that package comes with a hefty price tag right around the GS territory. And Seiko would want to avoid this. It seems to me like KS was revived just to be forgotten again.
The only issue is that zaratsu used to be offered for both KS and GS. Now they’ve kinda shifted over to mostly GS, so having it go to KS more often would probably undervalue one of their main GS selling points
Anytime the seiko 6139 gets a mention I’m in. Also the blue👌🏼 that one you had on screen was not as nice as mine want me to send mine in for a review 😏😂
I bought the red dial version (SDKS009) at an AD when I was in Japan a couple months ago for a good price. You have to see the watch in person to appreciate it. The size, attention to detail even down to the bracelet, and charm justifies the price to me. Sure the movement isn’t the greatest but I have the most accurate clock in my pocket, my phone. End of the day its still a hobby. Many compared why buy this and not an entry quartz GS, which that AD also had but it didn’t have the charm the King Seiko gave off, and in my opinion a one of a kind design.
I’ve already bought the purple one, boutique edition. This is the most beautiful Seiko watch in my 6R caliber collection. The price is ok in my opinion for the unique design and excellent polished.
I would really like to see a review of the Tudor Style. I recently graduated with my masters degree and was gifted one from my parents. I was surprised by how much I love it. I am 24 so something like a datejust or globemaster was unreasonable for someone just starting in corporate America. I’d really love to hear your thoughts and see a review of something a lot of people didn’t even know existed.
The problem is movement, COSC rate of accuracy is the minimum you are going to expect once you get to $1500 . king sekio should be Tudor equivalent in terms of movement accuracy .
Good video,Teddy, and point well taken. Seiko needs to add some things (such as a hi-beat movmt) to make it more like their predecessor. I own a KS from Jan. 1969 and it has a hi-beat movmt STILL running at 36.6k/hour plus a date complication. A watch that is always in rotation and will never leave my collection!
Hi-beat wears out faster and is no more accurate in practice... In practical terms it's a gimmick. I wish they'd add a LOW beat movement to their range. Classic longevity. Still not paying a grand for this though.
@@johnsanabria3279 tee hee hee "over a year" sorry to laugh my friend, but that's no time at all. Not only are you a single-person-sample-size, but you'd want to look at more people over a longer period of time than that. Problems with products often reveal themselves just after repair warranties have expired. PS: I own two 1970s hi-beat grand Seikos myself, I'm sufficiently experienced in how durable they CAN be... I'm also aware however that mechanically hi-beat by definition adds more wear and tear than lo-beat would. That's just a fact, and top end watchmakers (those who submit pieces to Grand Prix competitions etc) agree with me.
@@jananilcolonoscopu4034 I understand your reasoning.....I'm just saying that I have had no trouble with mine. For all I know,the person I bought from had it serviced. Or they may have simply kept it in a drawer.
@@johnsanabria3279 exactly, there's no way of knowing the history of your particular item, except... The obvious. Which is selection bias: your watch and my watches *by definition* are in good order, or they wouldn't be working after 40 years. We are unable to experience those king/grand Seiko hi-beats that totally gave up the ghost after a year, simply because they went into the bin in the 1960s. Our watches tell us less than nothing about the reliability of hi-beat movements in general.
It's a valid substitution for someone who wants the luxury watch experience without paying the price of a luxury watch. I think we are so entrenched in the hobby that we forget most people don't care about movement or brands. Your coworkers would look at this watch or a JLC and think to themselves, "Nice watch", and not much else- but you would suffer the $5k difference in prices.
Yes and No. I agree with the whole point of wanting a nice watch without the heavy price tag. But it still doesn’t justify the price point for a watch that doesn’t offer much.
@@highpoints1983 Why does a tudor BB36 offer a lot? With an Eta 2824 that you can also find on a €400 watch? Yet passion goes far beyond these concepts and you buy it anyway even if it OFFERS little. So if Seiko does it, it's to be criticized (albeit with in-house calibres) but if others do it by offering little, it's fair to say WOW. This is not being objective sorry.
@@picchiero yes its subjective but still doesn’t warrant the hefty price tag my friend. It’s still just a seiko nothing more. It’s true what teddy said about seiko not figuring out how to market their watches.
@@highpoints1983 I just think that all RUclipsr channels don't say the same thing about watches that have been offering little for decades. Is it "just" a Seiko? "Nothing more"? And watches that cost almost like this with 0 history what are they? The list is long my friend.
Teddy - The next time you sit down with Joe Kirk could you ask him why there QC issues are rife in Seiko? I recently sent back an SPB239 due to the hour and minute hands not lining up at 1200. I've also seen online reports of misaligned chapter rings, even with some GS's. I don't see how Seiko can be taken seriously. On a side note I'm glad I ran into an issue with the SPB239 as it drove me to look around more and I ended up with a Sinn which I'm very happy with.
I'm not bothered by what the casual may think about the various KS lines, Seiko is an enthusiast's brand and those who care will do the research and dig through Seiko's extensive catalogue to find the piece that speaks to them. That said, what does bother me is what Teddy mentioned, it would be nice to see a higher end 6L movement in this watch. I'm not sure why they keep reserving those for limited runs of essentially the same watch but only "better". I tried this watch on, and I do like it, but there would have to be a decent discount from MSRP for me to pull the trigger on it, some ADs will be able to accommodate this.
Movement underperforms for the price point. Love the design and finishing. In my opinion, the text for "King Seiko" is too prominent, I guess I would scale that down a bit. Thanks for the great video, Teddy!
Mr. Bulbasaur ( I like the nickname not sure who came up with it ) I do like it actually in the red. Very nice. Would you do a video of your favorite dial colors amongst the brands . Would be nice to give your opinion even if you have 2 choices in your fav colors 😬
Great video! I think that just putting a COSC-accurate movement puts KS right up with Tudor and Longines, and maybe just writing "King Seiko" on the dial. Would like to see the development of this sub-brand :)
Lol, for those who want a Hi-Beat movement because of the price: if you look on Chrono24 for a brand new Hi-Beat Seiko you have to pay 4k euros 😂 I have tried one of these in a Seiko boutique here in France and they are just AMAZING on the wrist!
It would have been so much better recieved if they put the 8l series movement (from gs) into it. I know there aren’t many watches with that and they’re typically more expensive, but it would have really stepped up the watch.
I picked up the SJE087 limited to 1700 pieces on leather strap. I got it at Auction in bezel App for $1795. Unworn. It’s beautiful. I need a date and mine came with one. Grand Seiko watches are beautiful but their clasp suck. How long do we wait for a Tfit. Micro brands have Tfit already. Omega has the same problem
I love watching your video reviewed that's make me know what I wanted to buy easier to add to my collection I would like to see you review the new 60 anniversary omega James bond watch what you think ?
@user_TeddyBaldassarre01 Hi Teddy had been a great pleasure seeing you review watches I am a fan of yours but hopefully can see you review the omega James bond 60th years anniversary soon and merry Christmas to you and your family
The one and only reason to buy this King Seiko is the design and its complete lack of competition. It's an absolutely stunning design, and it's very well executed. Crucially, there's no real competition for this watch design wise. That's why it costs $1700 and there's no other reason. Want a 60s aesthetic small classy sharp edged fancy bracelet watch? This is your only option, so pony up the $1700. Does that make the price acceptable? That's an individual decision. If you want this watch's design it's the only option. Will you be more annoyed by the low end movement or by the lack of owning anything with this design? That's really what it boils down to for anyone thinking about it. If you ignore the design this watch is terribly priced, but watches are jewelry and you can't ignore the design. So this is where we are. I agree that Seiko is making a mistake here. They shouldn't rest easy knowing the design is great and has no competition. If another brand like Tissot makes something similar but comes in at $800 like the PRX Powermatic it will eat up every single shred of Seiko's market share here. No question about it. Personally I think there's a huge opportunity for Seiko to push the price closer to $3k by keeping the design and finishing, but adding a new high beat high accuracy movement (and a nice medallion on the case back) and myself and many others would be in love with it. The other option is a race to the bottom of pricing, but frankly, I don't think that's a good route for this design because this design has nothing to hide its finishing behind. The whole point of this watch is well done simplicity. It just needs the movement to match the complete package. Make it happen Seiko and you've got my money at almost twice this price. No question about it. I literally went and handled this watch in person and felt a ridiculous amount of confusion because of how incredibly well executed the design and finishing was but how lackluster the movement was.
I love the watch, especially the ruby red dial, the vintage vibe is all over the place. I also think that pricing of the watch is OK. If price of that Tudor 1926 is fine by the market I don’t see why 25% cheaper Seiko is not OK.
If you had to choose... King Seiko vs. Longines Herritage Diver ? Im between the two in the 1700 price point. Im mainly wearing when I go out, or go to work, kind of a one-and-done timepiece Thanks!
I think there's a market for modern, luxury pieces that adhere to a classic, mid-twentieth century aesthetic (think the stuff Omega, Longines and Patek were producing in the 50s, 60s and early 70s) - and I think this is the segment King Seiko could thrive in. Let Grand Seiko produce luxury, advent guarde modern pieces, and make King Seiko it's equivalent for classic dress watches. Otherwise you get this kind of mishmash that doesn't quite work - it's too pricey for Seiko's main collection and not as well made and luxury as Grand Seiko. For me, GS and KS should be equals (as they once were), both high-end luxury brands that each have their own distinctive identity.
Would you change your brighter backgrounds and make it darker with dimmer lighting set up which is soothing for the eyes. Even lowering the contrast really hurts the eyes with this broad daylight!!!!
Ten years ago I bought a Seiko SGG733P1. The price was 2.300 Danish kroner and it has Sapphire and titanium bracelet. Today you won't even get sapphire or titanium for that price. Totally ridiculous....
This is one of those watches where you know its not a good value per se, but that in and of itself is what makes it such a delectable purchase because... Damm the value, its just a beautiful fu*king watch.
I like the no date feature.
Lol "feature"
@@johnlocke4695 Should I have said "date complication" ?
@@lpg12338 it's fine but sounds funny sometimes
Agreed.
Great symmetry.
@@lpg12338it’s funny because you referred to the lack of a feature as a feature.
I loved this video Teddy! And you are sooo right, this could really situate itself as the middleman between Seiko & Grand Seiko. I think it could be a really smart move!! The only shame, like you said, is the movement. It feels almost unforgivable... They release a watch that enthusiasts will primarily get excited about.... But then don't put in the movement it ought to have. So close to being perfection!!!
Great point. I have just bought an old King Seiko 5626-7111 (1973 model). Mint condition and has a 28,800vph movement - the same as most current luxury brands. I missed out on buying a vintage 5626-7000, which contained a hi-beat 36,000vph movement. The movement they put in is a joke. May as well have thrown an NH35 in. It's mass produced which isn't a problem, but it's in the Presage and other regular seiko models, which blurs the lines between 'seiko' and 'King seiko' that they're trying to re-distinguish. It's a bit counter productive from that perspective. They should have at least thrown a 28,800vph movement in, imo.
@Haseeb Sheikh Agreed. If they put in a proper movement that the watch deserves I'll buy one in a heartbeat. Absolutely love the design!
I don't know why some people are so obsessed with the movement. Most people just put on their watches on special occasions, or don't worry about the time being accurate to the second. I just see my watch as a fashion accessory that looks nice when I go out. Sometimes I don't even bother setting the time. Most of the time I am using my computer, or checking my phone anyways. So I'm not worried about the time.
I bought the vertically brushed version and absolutely love it when I wear it. I bought it from my AD and I got him to come down significantly on the price because we have an established relationship, having bought my Grand Seikos from him in the past. Sure the movement has historically been inaccurate, but I think they stepped up their QC to make sure the movements put in these get a little more attention (based on the great accuracy of my watch and, now, the example Teddy showed as well). The bracelet is what sold me on the piece and it has not disappointed. To me it's the best modern interpretation of the highly articulated bracelets of the past King Seikos.
They should change the logo like they did on Grand Seiko, remove the Seiko on top and replace it with King Seiko so that it can also stand out on its own.
I totally agree with you Teddy. Well said! I am very hyped right now and really hope that they are going to do a King Seiko project (watches between 1000-3000 $). If this watch had a 4-hz movement, see through caseback and just a little bit of finishing on the movement too, i'd be buying it by tomorrow. I love Seiko watches, but I want to go upmarket for my next watch and spend more on a good watch, but I'm not in the Grand Seiko budget yet. Fingers crossed they read that! 🤞
The sad thing is that the 4hz version of this King Seiko is almost $3000 used. Which imo isn’t even worth it with how close that is to Grand Seiko USED prices. Especially with the SBGW231 selling close to $3100 in like new used condition(and being a wayyyy better watch with a much better movement than the 4hz they used for the KSK)
I think you’ve totally nailed it Teddy… I love the idea of having a King Seiko in my collection, but at the price that they’re asking they must put a high-beat movement in the watch. Something within COSC Tolerances and high-beat are an absolute must
What other watches do you know with a in-house hi-beat chronometre accuracy for that money?
@@shuycg Sinn, Oris and about 30 other brands that use an ETA (or clone) Elaborate grade movement. 30 is just a guess it’s probably many more. Are those movements actually COSC certified? No, But they’re high beat in their tolerances are a whole lot better than the crappy movement they’re giving you in the ‘king Seiko’…. The King Seiko is a Presage/SARX line Watch ($400-900) with King slapped on the dial.
@@johnbuckmaster569 wait, are you calling 4Hz high beat? Also, those watches with non cosc certified calibers from Selita or ETA are sold with an promised accuracy far less that the chronometre standard. The fact that they are typically more accurate is not so different to the situation we have here with KS. They promise a pretty underwhelming accuracy but Teddy found this one to be much more accurate.
Back to frequency. Most ETA calibers are either 40h Power Reserve (PR) with 4Hz or 80h PR but with 3Hz. Selita's version is mostly 40h/4Hz.
But again I believe high beat is more than the usual 4Hz.
Hi beat for 1700$ gi drink some Swiss kool aid, while 6R35 is not the best but to ask for hi beat or 6L35 for only 1700$ is impossible unless you think of seiko as a garbage cheap brand
@@entroheat Seiko IS a Rubbish cheap brand. 😫 They're junks for the losers who take public transport to work and can't even afford generic Swiss ETA shitters 😂
I picked a LE lavender dial on a bracelet with a white strap with purple contrast stitching last week in Costa Mesa (for the Mrs - but I’d totally wear it.) Couldn’t be happier. As mentioned in the video, images don’t do it justice. I wish I could add an image because the purple is not shown here and it’s killer. Keep up the great work Teddy. You’re one of the few reviewer AND seller that I actually trust.
Just got mine in grey,love it,so comfortable on the wrist,and it just pops on the eye,in a restrained way.
I really love the red dial variant of this release. It's an incredible piece in terms of finishing and the general overall looks. Unfortunately, I couldn't justify almost £1500 for one...
If you want something similar just get the Christopher Ward 36mm Acer Red Sealander C63 auto.
I have this one with the red dial. Quite a stunning watch. You have to handle them to see the case work and over all workmanship .it is super comfortable on the wrist.
All it really needs is a better movement to be a great watch.
Kind of reminds me of my SARX055. Almost a GS, if only for a better motor.
Funny thing is the King Seiko has a better movement than the SARX055.
Not sure if I'd buy it immediately, but I would choose it over a lot of other competitors in that price range. Then again, I really like these sharp edges and the finishing on the watch, plus the size is just right from my perspective.
I just ordered one. The jeweler near me sells Seiko 20% off retail so I got a good deal. I'm starting to build my Seiko collection with the king Seiko, sne573 solar diver, save the ocean Antarctica baby tuna and I am on the waiting list for the alpinist spb121 is on backorder should have it by the end of the month. I'm already saving for the GS 007 mechanical and one of the GS heritage models spring drive. I thank you for your knowledge in helping me with my picks
My jeweler says I have good taste. Lol.
I totally agree with you - a 4hz or 5hz movement would be a big reason to choose this over the top level Seiko (Presage) watches. This would also be consistent with the history of King Seiko and their Hi-Beat line of watches.
This was a good opportunity for Seiko to re-introduce a high frequency movement for the king Seiko line. Seems like they don't really want to.
It would have been an easier sell for me if Seiko sold this range with close tolerance adjustment and regulation. Your example was running exceedingly well so make it a standard for KS models. This would be a clear differentiation from Seiko where the 4 and 6 series movements more often than not run well out of the box, but are not warranted to do so (I bought a Sumo recently that was at the limit). The watch looks, fit, and finish would take care of the rest of the price tag.
I have read some articles which pointed out that King Seiko and Grand Seiko were of the same level in the 1960s and in actual fact started as competition between the two factories to out best each other to bring their outmost best watchmaking. If that story is correct, then the finishing and quality of the King Seikos are on par or equal to Grand Seiko during that time. Of course, grand seiko won in the end and was adopted. If you see some King Seikos in the 1960s you can clearly see the 44 GS case finishing inspiration. 😊
There are finishes that even exceed Grand Seiko back in the day. Like check out the VANAC line from King Seiko. Some of those bracelets and case geometries were never achieved by Grand Seiko.
Suggest bringing king Seiko to your site. Nice review.
I've been wearing this watch (red dial) now for nearly two years. It's a great design and the 6R31 is very very accurate. On one occasion I had to demagnetise it because it was beginning to gain over a minute/day. I don't understand why people have been slating the 6R31: it's a great movement. interestingly the 6R35 does seem to attract the same criticism even though it is the same movement (but with the date complication). Eitherway, I can recommend this timepiece, even though I exclusively wear it on a leather strap.
Thanks for your balanced reviews, Teddy.
I own the red dial version and it's a stunning watch. The finishing seems a step up from the presage. And the bracket is better than most GS bracelets. I initially thought I wouldn't buy it because of the moment but I was too mesmerized by the dial and finishing. And great news it seems that it keep time very well. For the money I wish it had a better movement, but I wouldn't say it's a terrible movement, it's average. Amazing watch tho. Feels like an affordable GS and has scratched that GS itch
Got mine for 1250 brand new, big steal
It definitely needs a true hi-beat (36,000 bph) movement, with that gold medallion on the case back.
Congratulations on getting Seiko. That's a huge win
Love the looks of the king Seiko. My only gripe is the movement. The price point calls for something better than a movement that can be found in their more economical models. Seiko might want to consider using the King Seiko brand for a line of watches from maybe $1500 TO $4500 with better movements and finishing. The lineup would be Seiko, King Seiko, Grand Seiko, and Credor. Each step you would move up a level of quality and craftsmanship.
Very good point made on the movement used.
The movement is fine. I regulated mine on arrival and now getting a steady +2/day. It is no worse than the 2824 in the Tudor Black Bay at nearly double what I paid for the KS. Watch is lovely and definitely a keeper.
@@dgbucko It is a reasonable movement but the point is that Seiko has placed 6r movments in watches at way lower price points.
Have the Sarb 017 & 035, two great, punch above their weight, well finished watches with 6r15 movements. Both cost me around £400/$485 each.
Have only seen the King Seiko on RUclips reviews, so can't comment on the finish but I dont really think an extended power reserve is worth the extra high cost.
@@hughmckendrick3018 I have the white sarb. There is no comparison. The KS makes the sarb look like a toy watch.
Great review Teddy! I have a Grand Seiko and while it does not get a lot of wrist time, it's my favorite watch in my collection. p.s. you inspired me to start my own watch channel!
Great video shots. Thank for sharing. I tried on this model at a dealer. Nice watch but did not wear nice as expected.
I have red version and I really like this watch! I bought it with 15% discount and it was around 1400$. In my opinion, the price is ok and watch looks great.
Accuracy on my hand +3 sec per day.
I didn’t find any other “red” watches which I liked, within this budget.
King Seiko NEEDS to be its own brand. It serves as an amazing buffer to carry people from their first watch to the most incredible pieces in the world. There is a great oppertunity, but i think many companies have learned before that you need to separate the market segments. Toyota and Lexus are separate for a reason
Love the bracelet as well as the red dial version.
Great review Teddy and spot on. I have the red version. The finishing of the markers are not perfect with some scuff marks under macro view though. I guess the silver sun burst dial hides them well due to lower contrast compared to the darker dials. The movement is ok and frankly quite surprised that it's less than 5s drift. I suspect a more attentive adjustment is made on the king seikos. Anyway, I'm hopeful that Seiko will stay true to KS' mantra of superb accuracy and high beat movement (like in the past) at some point.
Great video Teddy. You and Andrew Morgan are the OGs now
absolutely love the watch world! learning everyday, thank you teddy
I picked up the red dial version. I love this watch. Until you see it and feel it in real life you simply cannot understand it.
The movement will not win any arguments on paper but it will run forever, with less maintenance than a higher beat movement. And if I want to get it super accurate, I will have it regulated.
This watch is for the seiko fans or the fans of mid century design or those that appreciate Japanese craftsmanship and culture.
This watch is not a gateway into watch culture it is a sign you have picked your tribe. I am super happy seiko made a watch for the enthusiast that does not cost grand seiko money.
The Cybertruck of Seiko design. I dig it!
your cameraman does such a great job that every watch you review makes me want to buy it even though i may not care for the model!!!
If you like the watch, buy it. It is pretty simple. I love it.
Totally agree with you Teddy! Movements are the key to differentiating KS from Seiko.
Stick with the grand smart watch?
thanks for an informative vid Sir Teddy.
I personally like this king Seiko. A sensible looking and I'm sure we'll made watch that will last the tests of time. I may be in a minority here but I actually prefer solid case backs as well on mechanical watches.
Agreed on a solid case pack… Although nicely finish movements I consider an exception… How are of the movement of this watch is pedestrian and actually leans towards ugly.
I agree
TB, the best watch connoisseur on youtube!
I really love vintage seikos I have 2 aussie rogue variants blue and yellow and also have a lord marvel 36000 these are my favourite watches I currently own
@backupaccount196 bro don't do this man I only like real replies from the man himself not some scammer
I think positioning King Seiko as an independent brand that lies between Seiko and Grand Seiko as an affordable/entry-level luxury brand competing with the likes of Longines and Baume & Mercier would be a smart move for Seiko.
As a huge Seiko fan I must say this is an EXCELLENT REVIEW of a very beautiful watch
Great analysis. When considering a watch, I always check out the used market as well. If my criteria is a high quality Japanese watch, I would definitely prefer Grand Seiko SBGX models in the 37mm case, which can be found for 1000-1400 range easily.
King seiko 2022 ❤❤❤
The limited edition SJE083 is a modern King Seiko I’d love to see. But that package comes with a hefty price tag right around the GS territory.
And Seiko would want to avoid this.
It seems to me like KS was revived just to be forgotten again.
I bought the LE watch, was unimpressed and returned it. Never looked back.
The only issue is that zaratsu used to be offered for both KS and GS. Now they’ve kinda shifted over to mostly GS, so having it go to KS more often would probably undervalue one of their main GS selling points
Do you guys offer the 0% at 24 months outside USA? I am in canada
Great video sir
I like this watch alot! It’s right in between some $1,000 dollar seikos and the over z$3.500 GS I’m very much considering buying one!
Anytime the seiko 6139 gets a mention I’m in. Also the blue👌🏼 that one you had on screen was not as nice as mine want me to send mine in for a review 😏😂
Teddy,
Do a review on the new 2024 King seiko vs the 2022 collection options.
The 2024 Tiffany blue dial looks great.
I bought the red dial version (SDKS009) at an AD when I was in Japan a couple months ago for a good price. You have to see the watch in person to appreciate it. The size, attention to detail even down to the bracelet, and charm justifies the price to me. Sure the movement isn’t the greatest but I have the most accurate clock in my pocket, my phone. End of the day its still a hobby. Many compared why buy this and not an entry quartz GS, which that AD also had but it didn’t have the charm the King Seiko gave off, and in my opinion a one of a kind design.
As long as it makes you happy, the phone justification tells how uncomfortable you are with your purchase, just admit it
@@MrKobeFuentes wrong.
Cells have to recharge and last 2~years max.
How much did it cost you in usd
I’ve already bought the purple one, boutique edition. This is the most beautiful Seiko watch in my 6R caliber collection. The price is ok in my opinion for the unique design and excellent polished.
How comfortable is the white leather strap?
@@dsadik666 I’ve never used the white/purple leather straps. It will be fit for women.
@@jaur8183 it's a 37mm watch.
That will fit most women size.
I would really like to see a review of the Tudor Style. I recently graduated with my masters degree and was gifted one from my parents. I was surprised by how much I love it. I am 24 so something like a datejust or globemaster was unreasonable for someone just starting in corporate America. I’d really love to hear your thoughts and see a review of something a lot of people didn’t even know existed.
Take a look at the Cherry Red one!!
The problem is movement, COSC rate of accuracy is the minimum you are going to expect once you get to $1500 . king sekio should be Tudor equivalent in terms of movement accuracy .
Hi Teddy, are you wearing a Tissot PRX Powermatic 80 in this video?
In my humble opinion ; King Seiko is the Tudor of the Grand Seiko !
Good video,Teddy, and point well taken. Seiko needs to add some things (such as a hi-beat movmt) to make it more like their predecessor. I own a KS from Jan. 1969 and it has a hi-beat movmt STILL running at 36.6k/hour plus a date complication. A watch that is always in rotation and will never leave my collection!
Hi-beat wears out faster and is no more accurate in practice... In practical terms it's a gimmick. I wish they'd add a LOW beat movement to their range. Classic longevity. Still not paying a grand for this though.
@@jananilcolonoscopu4034 I disagree. I've had mine for over a year and have had no problems.....and the watch is going on 53-54 years.
@@johnsanabria3279 tee hee hee "over a year" sorry to laugh my friend, but that's no time at all. Not only are you a single-person-sample-size, but you'd want to look at more people over a longer period of time than that.
Problems with products often reveal themselves just after repair warranties have expired.
PS: I own two 1970s hi-beat grand Seikos myself, I'm sufficiently experienced in how durable they CAN be... I'm also aware however that mechanically hi-beat by definition adds more wear and tear than lo-beat would. That's just a fact, and top end watchmakers (those who submit pieces to Grand Prix competitions etc) agree with me.
@@jananilcolonoscopu4034 I understand your reasoning.....I'm just saying that I have had no trouble with mine. For all I know,the person I bought from had it serviced. Or they may have simply kept it in a drawer.
@@johnsanabria3279 exactly, there's no way of knowing the history of your particular item, except... The obvious. Which is selection bias: your watch and my watches *by definition* are in good order, or they wouldn't be working after 40 years. We are unable to experience those king/grand Seiko hi-beats that totally gave up the ghost after a year, simply because they went into the bin in the 1960s. Our watches tell us less than nothing about the reliability of hi-beat movements in general.
It's a valid substitution for someone who wants the luxury watch experience without paying the price of a luxury watch. I think we are so entrenched in the hobby that we forget most people don't care about movement or brands. Your coworkers would look at this watch or a JLC and think to themselves, "Nice watch", and not much else- but you would suffer the $5k difference in prices.
Yes and No. I agree with the whole point of wanting a nice watch without the heavy price tag. But it still doesn’t justify the price point for a watch that doesn’t offer much.
@@highpoints1983 Why does a tudor BB36 offer a lot? With an Eta 2824 that you can also find on a €400 watch? Yet passion goes far beyond these concepts and you buy it anyway even if it OFFERS little. So if Seiko does it, it's to be criticized (albeit with in-house calibres) but if others do it by offering little, it's fair to say WOW. This is not being objective sorry.
@@picchiero yes its subjective but still doesn’t warrant the hefty price tag my friend. It’s still just a seiko nothing more. It’s true what teddy said about seiko not figuring out how to market their watches.
@@highpoints1983 I just think that all RUclipsr channels don't say the same thing about watches that have been offering little for decades.
Is it "just" a Seiko? "Nothing more"?
And watches that cost almost like this with 0 history what are they? The list is long my friend.
Great video
Teddy - The next time you sit down with Joe Kirk could you ask him why there QC issues are rife in Seiko? I recently sent back an SPB239 due to the hour and minute hands not lining up at 1200. I've also seen online reports of misaligned chapter rings, even with some GS's. I don't see how Seiko can be taken seriously. On a side note I'm glad I ran into an issue with the SPB239 as it drove me to look around more and I ended up with a Sinn which I'm very happy with.
Hi Teddy! Would love to see you making a video on Bell & Ross watches
I'm not bothered by what the casual may think about the various KS lines, Seiko is an enthusiast's brand and those who care will do the research and dig through Seiko's extensive catalogue to find the piece that speaks to them. That said, what does bother me is what Teddy mentioned, it would be nice to see a higher end 6L movement in this watch. I'm not sure why they keep reserving those for limited runs of essentially the same watch but only "better". I tried this watch on, and I do like it, but there would have to be a decent discount from MSRP for me to pull the trigger on it, some ADs will be able to accommodate this.
Spot on. A watch that looks that nice and has that price demands a calibre more unique and less common than the 6R31.
Exquisite timepiece !
Movement underperforms for the price point. Love the design and finishing. In my opinion, the text for "King Seiko" is too prominent, I guess I would scale that down a bit. Thanks for the great video, Teddy!
The chocolate brown dial is gorgeous. But alas, the movement.
I love this watch and like others was put off by the price. My local AD has a nice discount but i'm still on the fence, BTW a great video.
You can have Nomos Tangente 35 for similar price. Hard sell for this Seiko. But finally some Seiko without date complication.
The Nomos has a manual movement and a very simple case design. The bracelet is laughable.
💯 you’re right. Nit picking but it bothers me having both Seiko and King Seiko on the dial. Just have King Seiko or Seiko King 👑
Mr. Bulbasaur ( I like the nickname not sure who came up with it ) I do like it actually in the red. Very nice. Would you do a video of your favorite dial colors amongst the brands . Would be nice to give your opinion even if you have 2 choices in your fav colors 😬
Great video! I think that just putting a COSC-accurate movement puts KS right up with Tudor and Longines, and maybe just writing "King Seiko" on the dial.
Would like to see the development of this sub-brand :)
Lol, for those who want a Hi-Beat movement because of the price: if you look on Chrono24 for a brand new Hi-Beat Seiko you have to pay 4k euros 😂 I have tried one of these in a Seiko boutique here in France and they are just AMAZING on the wrist!
It would have been so much better recieved if they put the 8l series movement (from gs) into it. I know there aren’t many watches with that and they’re typically more expensive, but it would have really stepped up the watch.
This is a must buy for me
I picked up the SJE087 limited to 1700 pieces on leather strap. I got it at Auction in bezel App for $1795. Unworn. It’s beautiful. I need a date and mine came with one. Grand Seiko watches are beautiful but their clasp suck. How long do we wait for a Tfit. Micro brands have Tfit already. Omega has the same problem
You should do a video on the higher end King aeikos
I love watching your video reviewed that's make me know what I wanted to buy easier to add to my collection
I would like to see you review the new 60 anniversary omega James bond watch what you think ?
@user_TeddyBaldassarre01 Hi Teddy had been a great pleasure seeing you review watches I am a fan of yours but hopefully can see you review the omega James bond 60th years anniversary soon and merry Christmas to you and your family
Hi teddy! Pls do a review of the AS0002S Orient Sun and Moon. This has been my dream watch for a while.
Love this watch. Seiko seems to be going a Scion-Toyota-Lexus thing.
Ted, do you discount the Seiko line?
Can't do the arrow hands. Love the design on all Grand Seikos, but strongly dislike the arrow shaped hands.
The one and only reason to buy this King Seiko is the design and its complete lack of competition. It's an absolutely stunning design, and it's very well executed. Crucially, there's no real competition for this watch design wise. That's why it costs $1700 and there's no other reason.
Want a 60s aesthetic small classy sharp edged fancy bracelet watch? This is your only option, so pony up the $1700.
Does that make the price acceptable? That's an individual decision. If you want this watch's design it's the only option. Will you be more annoyed by the low end movement or by the lack of owning anything with this design? That's really what it boils down to for anyone thinking about it.
If you ignore the design this watch is terribly priced, but watches are jewelry and you can't ignore the design. So this is where we are.
I agree that Seiko is making a mistake here. They shouldn't rest easy knowing the design is great and has no competition. If another brand like Tissot makes something similar but comes in at $800 like the PRX Powermatic it will eat up every single shred of Seiko's market share here. No question about it.
Personally I think there's a huge opportunity for Seiko to push the price closer to $3k by keeping the design and finishing, but adding a new high beat high accuracy movement (and a nice medallion on the case back) and myself and many others would be in love with it.
The other option is a race to the bottom of pricing, but frankly, I don't think that's a good route for this design because this design has nothing to hide its finishing behind. The whole point of this watch is well done simplicity. It just needs the movement to match the complete package.
Make it happen Seiko and you've got my money at almost twice this price. No question about it. I literally went and handled this watch in person and felt a ridiculous amount of confusion because of how incredibly well executed the design and finishing was but how lackluster the movement was.
Lovely shirt, where did you get it from?
Would love to see some King Quartz re-issues.
Looks great, but at that price point I would go for the Tudor rather......
Would you consider doing a review of king seiko 39mm date?
I love the watch, especially the ruby red dial, the vintage vibe is all over the place. I also think that pricing of the watch is OK. If price of that Tudor 1926 is fine by the market I don’t see why 25% cheaper Seiko is not OK.
i would buy a king seiko that shows king seiko in the dial. i just hope they keep the vintage look and small size.
If you had to choose... King Seiko vs. Longines Herritage Diver ? Im between the two in the 1700 price point. Im mainly wearing when I go out, or go to work, kind of a one-and-done timepiece Thanks!
what’s the model of the first red and blue seiko?
Can you do a video about companys like "Mr jones Watches" or "Project Watches"? Would be interesting to hear your thoughts.
I think there's a market for modern, luxury pieces that adhere to a classic, mid-twentieth century aesthetic (think the stuff Omega, Longines and Patek were producing in the 50s, 60s and early 70s) - and I think this is the segment King Seiko could thrive in. Let Grand Seiko produce luxury, advent guarde modern pieces, and make King Seiko it's equivalent for classic dress watches. Otherwise you get this kind of mishmash that doesn't quite work - it's too pricey for Seiko's main collection and not as well made and luxury as Grand Seiko. For me, GS and KS should be equals (as they once were), both high-end luxury brands that each have their own distinctive identity.
New drinking game.....you take a shot every time Teddy uses the phrase "leans into." 😄
Love your videos, I'm an amateur to the watch world and really want to get into it. Is the 0% financing through affirm?
Would you change your brighter backgrounds and make it darker with dimmer lighting set up which is soothing for the eyes. Even lowering the contrast really hurts the eyes with this broad daylight!!!!
I love the vertical brush but that 3hz annoys me
Ten years ago I bought a Seiko SGG733P1.
The price was 2.300 Danish kroner and it has Sapphire and titanium bracelet.
Today you won't even get sapphire or titanium for that price.
Totally ridiculous....
What was that bracelet on the 6309? It looks... interesting
This is one of those watches where you know its not a good value per se, but that in and of itself is what makes it such a delectable purchase because... Damm the value, its just a beautiful fu*king watch.