Don't hold both sticks of the pocket pinger when testing, your hand inadvertently applies pressure, which loosens the hold, and interrupts the natural resonance being generated by "variations of tension" by your squeezing the ends (this absorbs some of the kinetic energy from the strike, which lessens the 'vibrational translation of the shock wave through the metal' [ which is aligned according to it's composition ] ). Highly pure gold is denser, and has a much tighter alignment of the atomic structure. so, when pinched between opposite sides by non-conductive, non-vibrational surfaces at a tiny point (to minimize friction), the non-conductive striker (in this case, that wooden dowel) creates a cleaner and more long-lasting bell-like ring. The South African Mint once was headed by a musician by education, before he went into metallurgy. He knew this, and worked with designers to "balance the distribution" of weight and pattern surface area to maximize this phenomenon. Ergo, South African Kugerands are almost like chimes in just how clear and clean their tones and harmonics are, within the diminishing pitch of a cymbal-bell, as it's a closed-loop planar surface. Cymbals and triangles on the other hand make indeterminate pitch, with rapidly diminishing resonance in both frequency and amplitude. Cymbals and triangles have both a break in the loop, and are made of lesser metals. At the elemental level, fake coins (regardless of density) do not have the alignment of atoms that pure silver, gold, platinum, palladium and rhodium have; hence, like the cymbals, they CLANK! There is a whole discipline within metallurgy which studies thermal and electrical conductivity and vibrational resonance, as these metals are also used in the electronics, scientific and aerospace industries for their special properties, especially these properties in extremes of temperature, pressure and non-reaction to elemental exposure. Of course, it's a guideline. Nothing beats a good piece of hardware like a Sygma Metalytic tester. But for the average person, the pocket pinger is simple, and doesn't require a learning curve to get accurate and consistent results. So, for the beginner, it's a winner.
Yes I bought same one from Sound Money Metals on Facebook. I use the Pingcoin app. So far so good I do not have any fakes. I like I can do half dollars too.
@@bradsimpson1546 It’s the soft wood stick that comes with this pinger holder. Once you center the coin in the holder, you gently strike the edge of the coin with the stack stick.
This is the second time I have seen a demonstration on one of those. I agree with your assessment about not using the hard plastic to ping the coins. I do think I am going to get one of these. Thanks for sharing.
Actually, I think hitting a gold coin with a plastic pen would also cause a tiny amount of gold to be transferred to the pen. But since not the same pen may be used and the pen has different point of contact with the coin every time, the transfer of tiny amount of gold from the coin to the pen is not detectable by the eyes. Same with the stick provided for hitting the coins. I don't think the ping test should be used on proof coins.
@@NumisCanadawithBruce It believe it will be available on Amazon end of month/ Feb. 1 ordered the pinger and then decided I should have 2 and called to see if they could add another to my order. The guy said they could, but told me the above “” and refunded my cc too. Awesome. I will get 2 on Amazon! Then I can listen to 2 coins immediately.
Great video, just getting into coins and precious metals. I ordered it from your link. This will help me to not get ripped off if I feel something is a little shady about the seller.
Agreed about the suggested way of ringing the coin by twisting it and letting go. I never used mine like that, instead using a light wooden stick to lightly tap the coin. The pinger is plastic and I don't want to be stressing it or the coin held.
Great product. So, I order silver or gold from a reputable dealer. When it arrives at the house I check it. I find a counterfeit coin in the mix and contact the company. They’re not going to believe me anyway. These are good if I go into a shop and do this before buying.
@@SergiuM42 I think it was a hypothetical situation. Why would a dealer believe you? To rebut this, I think they would believe their video cameras etc. which would capture the coin in detail as it was packed. You can return coins and this would be a return similar to other reasons.
I don't know jack about junk silver, but I can tell. 999 just by touching it. Same with hardened steels. But then again, I carry an electrical charge like in the great Gatsby. Might have something to do with it.
I bought the off brand less expensive knockoff. I know shame on me. I did figure out a pretty nice hack for the stack stick that I am willing to share. I drilled a hole in the end of my stick and flush mounted a neodymium magnet in the tip of the stick. I used some good Locktite brand super glue gel and it's holding it in there nice. Now I can do 2 tests with the same instrument. 😊
@@SilverSeeker it's a slightly different design. Same concept though. I am no expert in patent law so I'm not sure how close it has to be to infringe upon it. There are a couple different designs on eBay, I can't imagine he hasn't checked them out for his sake, but maybe let him know they are there in case. Pass the magnet idea on to him while you're at it. Lol.
Seems like a merge between this and the Fisch Ringer would be ideal. Or just add rubber tips to the Fisch Ringer. On the other hand can be it's easier obtainable outside US. Fisch products are really expensive for what they are and IMHO the only real thing almost essential to have in you toolbox would be the ringer when dealing with smaller than ½ oz. Size and weight sure nice enought but who has to deal with so many that a scale (cheap one and cheap even cheap M3 calibration weight is quite sufficient) and a digital caliper isn't sufficient? In fact even better. Coins can be "significantly" under weight and still tip Fisch scales. Sure they might still be gold but if the same underweight coin is weighted then it'd sure be noticed as something is odd - especially if it's not worn enought to suggest so much under weight - then probably a fake - but still of gold if it rings.
With enough technology you can impose a matrix over reality with Gold, it seems it density and stability might help in marrying waves and electrons as it radiates energy
As an aid, the sustain ( duration of the ping) should last for about 5/1000 of a sec on the short end. Tested 90% silver Morgan and Peace dollars. Gold may have a longer sustain, have yet to test one.
what I perceived as a failed genuine coin test by ear was approved by the app. It's really sensitive, must have! Actually have a tube of silver Krug's I'm super scetch about and dying to test
The pitch changes quite a bit depending on the diameter, thickness and purity. So it's possible if you're expecting to hear and eagle and listen to a maple for example, you'll think it's fake! That's why I think a good listening app is important!
I think just 12 minutes of pinging coins over and over with No human voice would be better at portraying the good value this device brings to stackers.
the pocket pinger gets rid of that raised portion and I will buy one just to make it easier to hold a coin. I dropped plenty of coins testing them as it is.
I wonder if you could easily add a piece of felt to the plastic the coin strikes? I have seen felt that comes with peel and stick adhesive with the purpose of sticking to the bottom of figurines to not damage the surface they stand on. I wonder if the device would still work as intended with felt covering the striking mechanism?
I like this tool, not required but a good convenience andhelps eliminate the drop threat and creates a nice tight node for it to resonate around. I keep wondering about the plastic vs wood hitting it. Is the bic pen or wood any better than the pocket pinger plastic? Is there any evidence the plastic actually does dent the metal? I wouldn't be surprised with gold but maybe its just paranoia. Thanks for the video it was a good rundown
I watched you half dollar hunt stream last night but couldn’t comment I’m a Chanel subscriber why couldn’t I comment? I love your Chanel and have asked questions but last night I had a few but couldn’t ask them
@@SilverSeeker I was I don’t know what happened although I’ve been having issues with my wifi last few days I don’t stream on RUclips but I was live streaming my 4 box half dollar hunt on Facebook and kept loosing the feed to where I stopped my hunt for the night after 3 boxes. It stinks because I found silver in all 3 so far first box 4 90% silver 2 64 Kennedy’s and 2 benjis a 58 and 63 Denver 6 40% and 5 NIFC’s and as 50 pence foreign box 3 3 1964 90% and 6 40% 3 NIFC’s and box 3 I found 1 1964 in roll 37 saving the box from being a skunk box lol so not a bad hunt so far I wish I knew your Facebook I’d love to friend request you snd add me to my coin group your knowledge would be so helpful hopefully catch your next live stream and actually going to become a member of your Chanel and not only a subscriber love your videos keep up the great work
@@SilverSeeker thank you I’m gonna join now I’m gonna start with the $4.99 monthly and increase my membership as we go thank you so much of all the RUclips coin streamers you are my favorite
one big problem, i don't think coin dealers will let you get their coins out of a slab or cardboard flip to test it unless you buy it first, i don't think they will let any stranger handle or mishandle their BU/Gem coins and hit them with a stick or something else, and here's comes another question let's say you buy the coins and test them in front of the dealer if for some reason you need to sell them back to him , will he accept the same price he charged you in the first place or will he argue that because coins where taken out of their slab or cardboard flip he will buy them back at a lower price? i will also love to see a video of the faces ppl make when testing this in public specially the coin dealer face lol.
Coin Dealers will honor their coins though so test it in front of them after you buy it. That said, if it's a reputable dealer you shouldn't really have to worry about it in the first place.
No need to go to all that trouble. A clothesline peg (pin?) with a couple of small rubber bands wound around the tips and a plastic pen are all that's needed. I can vouch for the result...
Tried to make my own. It didn't work consistently. So I ordered one and it was very easy using the link you provided.
Don't hold both sticks of the pocket pinger when testing, your hand inadvertently applies pressure, which loosens the hold, and interrupts the natural resonance being generated by "variations of tension" by your squeezing the ends (this absorbs some of the kinetic energy from the strike, which lessens the 'vibrational translation of the shock wave through the metal' [ which is aligned according to it's composition ] ).
Highly pure gold is denser, and has a much tighter alignment of the atomic structure. so, when pinched between opposite sides by non-conductive, non-vibrational surfaces at a tiny point (to minimize friction), the non-conductive striker (in this case, that wooden dowel) creates a cleaner and more long-lasting bell-like ring. The South African Mint once was headed by a musician by education, before he went into metallurgy. He knew this, and worked with designers to "balance the distribution" of weight and pattern surface area to maximize this phenomenon. Ergo, South African Kugerands are almost like chimes in just how clear and clean their tones and harmonics are, within the diminishing pitch of a cymbal-bell, as it's a closed-loop planar surface.
Cymbals and triangles on the other hand make indeterminate pitch, with rapidly diminishing resonance in both frequency and amplitude. Cymbals and triangles have both a break in the loop, and are made of lesser metals. At the elemental level, fake coins (regardless of density) do not have the alignment of atoms that pure silver, gold, platinum, palladium and rhodium have; hence, like the cymbals, they CLANK!
There is a whole discipline within metallurgy which studies thermal and electrical conductivity and vibrational resonance, as these metals are also used in the electronics, scientific and aerospace industries for their special properties, especially these properties in extremes of temperature, pressure and non-reaction to elemental exposure.
Of course, it's a guideline. Nothing beats a good piece of hardware like a Sygma Metalytic tester. But for the average person, the pocket pinger is simple, and doesn't require a learning curve to get accurate and consistent results. So, for the beginner, it's a winner.
Yes I bought same one from Sound Money Metals on Facebook. I use the Pingcoin app. So far so good I do not have any fakes. I like I can do half dollars too.
I always have a pocket pinger and stack stick with me when I go to buy coins... Great tool!
Right on!
Whats a stack stick
@@bradsimpson1546 It’s the soft wood stick that comes with this pinger holder. Once you center the coin in the holder, you gently strike the edge of the coin with the stack stick.
This is the second time I have seen a demonstration on one of those. I agree with your assessment about not using the hard plastic to ping the coins. I do think I am going to get one of these. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks! Be sure to use my affiliate link in the description. :)
@@SilverSeeker I will when I have $ to spare the device is not expensive but the shipping to Canada is. UGH
Hi, did you find a place in Canada to buy the pinger and stick? I'm not having any luck.. Thx
Actually, I think hitting a gold coin with a plastic pen would also cause a tiny amount of gold to be transferred to the pen. But since not the same pen may be used and the pen has different point of contact with the coin every time, the transfer of tiny amount of gold from the coin to the pen is not detectable by the eyes. Same with the stick provided for hitting the coins. I don't think the ping test should be used on proof coins.
@@NumisCanadawithBruce It believe it will be available on Amazon end of month/ Feb. 1 ordered the pinger and then decided I should have 2 and called to see if they could add another to my order. The guy said they could, but told me the above “” and refunded my cc too. Awesome.
I will get 2 on Amazon! Then I can listen to 2 coins immediately.
It’s so simple but so affective
Effective*
Great product I will have to get a few of them to certify coins that I can purchase.
Great video, just getting into coins and precious metals. I ordered it from your link. This will help me to not get ripped off if I feel something is a little shady about the seller.
I like how it holds the coins with the rubber tips. Would make me feel safer about not dropping the coin lol
Agreed about the suggested way of ringing the coin by twisting it and letting go. I never used mine like that, instead using a light wooden stick to lightly tap the coin. The pinger is plastic and I don't want to be stressing it or the coin held.
Great product. So, I order silver or gold from a reputable dealer. When it arrives at the house I check it. I find a counterfeit coin in the mix and contact the company. They’re not going to believe me anyway. These are good if I go into a shop and do this before buying.
Would you mind sharing the name of the dealer? Wanting to know to avoid them
@@SergiuM42 I think it was a hypothetical situation. Why would a dealer believe you?
To rebut this, I think they would believe their video cameras etc. which would capture the coin in detail as it was packed. You can return coins and this would be a return similar to other reasons.
You will appreciate the pocket pinger even more when you get old. I find it soooooo much easier than trying to balance coins on my finger!
So cool l always learn so much from you.
You rock man thanks so much for watching!
Merci pour tes vidéos...
I think the deviation in the measure is due to the coin not being exactly centered...
I don't know jack about junk silver, but I can tell. 999 just by touching it. Same with hardened steels. But then again, I carry an electrical charge like in the great Gatsby. Might have something to do with it.
Oh man I would have loved to try this at the fraud booth at the coin show.
did he fix the problem with the residue left from the rubber silicone nipple thingies?
Where's my Bar Dinger 😁
It’s cool. Yankee did it the other day.
I bought the off brand less expensive knockoff. I know shame on me. I did figure out a pretty nice hack for the stack stick that I am willing to share. I drilled a hole in the end of my stick and flush mounted a neodymium magnet in the tip of the stick. I used some good Locktite brand super glue gel and it's holding it in there nice. Now I can do 2 tests with the same instrument. 😊
Which knockoff is that.
@@SilverSeeker I found one on eBay that was like 10 bucks. Looks 3 D printed.
@@Steelythestacker gotcha. I asked because his design is patented so I was making sure it wasn't some big company or something
@@SilverSeeker it's a slightly different design. Same concept though. I am no expert in patent law so I'm not sure how close it has to be to infringe upon it. There are a couple different designs on eBay, I can't imagine he hasn't checked them out for his sake, but maybe let him know they are there in case. Pass the magnet idea on to him while you're at it. Lol.
Seems like a merge between this and the Fisch Ringer would be ideal. Or just add rubber tips to the Fisch Ringer.
On the other hand can be it's easier obtainable outside US. Fisch products are really expensive for what they are and IMHO the only real thing almost essential to have in you toolbox would be the ringer when dealing with smaller than ½ oz. Size and weight sure nice enought but who has to deal with so many that a scale (cheap one and cheap even cheap M3 calibration weight is quite sufficient) and a digital caliper isn't sufficient? In fact even better. Coins can be "significantly" under weight and still tip Fisch scales. Sure they might still be gold but if the same underweight coin is weighted then it'd sure be noticed as something is odd - especially if it's not worn enought to suggest so much under weight - then probably a fake - but still of gold if it rings.
With enough technology you can impose a matrix over reality with Gold, it seems it density and stability might help in marrying waves and electrons as it radiates energy
As an aid, the sustain ( duration of the ping) should last for about 5/1000 of a sec on the short end. Tested 90% silver Morgan and Peace dollars. Gold may have a longer sustain, have yet to test one.
I want one
Fascinating! Thanks for the information Seeker! And a Happy Independence Day to you and your family! 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Love that sound...might try to make one
I "made" one using a plastic clothesline peg and an ordinary plastic pen as the striker. Works perfectly!
@@tonymcguinness3886 yeah, I never got around to that.
what I perceived as a failed genuine coin test by ear was approved by the app. It's really sensitive, must have!
Actually have a tube of silver Krug's I'm super scetch about and dying to test
The pitch changes quite a bit depending on the diameter, thickness and purity. So it's possible if you're expecting to hear and eagle and listen to a maple for example, you'll think it's fake! That's why I think a good listening app is important!
Excellent honest review as always 👍🏼
I like that silver and gold testing....
I think just 12 minutes of pinging coins over and over with No human voice would be better at portraying the good value this device brings to stackers.
That’s a pretty cool tool.
Loved those gold pings at the end!
5:45 he can't even get the 1/10 to ping and acts like it totally did 🤣
Will you please name the specific app you use for the ping test?
Lot’s of whacking going on in this video! 😆 Great review Seeker!
Cool
Sweet
the pocket pinger gets rid of that raised portion and I will buy one just to make it easier to hold a coin. I dropped plenty of coins testing them as it is.
I wonder if you could easily add a piece of felt to the plastic the coin strikes? I have seen felt that comes with peel and stick adhesive with the purpose of sticking to the bottom of figurines to not damage the surface they stand on. I wonder if the device would still work as intended with felt covering the striking mechanism?
I like this tool, not required but a good convenience andhelps eliminate the drop threat and creates a nice tight node for it to resonate around. I keep wondering about the plastic vs wood hitting it. Is the bic pen or wood any better than the pocket pinger plastic? Is there any evidence the plastic actually does dent the metal? I wouldn't be surprised with gold but maybe its just paranoia. Thanks for the video it was a good rundown
Cool info 👍👊
Hmmm getting one in Europse is expensive unfortunately (something like 42 US dollar with shipping).
But i want one anyway...looks very promising
I've seen it on other videos. Best review I've seen.
Great video, i think you should be holding it at or in front of the pivot point, jmho
I watched you half dollar hunt stream last night but couldn’t comment I’m a Chanel subscriber why couldn’t I comment? I love your Chanel and have asked questions but last night I had a few but couldn’t ask them
Umm no idea you should be able to comment during the live stream if you were watching it when live
@@SilverSeeker I was I don’t know what happened although I’ve been having issues with my wifi last few days I don’t stream on RUclips but I was live streaming my 4 box half dollar hunt on Facebook and kept loosing the feed to where I stopped my hunt for the night after 3 boxes. It stinks because I found silver in all 3 so far first box 4 90% silver 2 64 Kennedy’s and 2 benjis a 58 and 63 Denver 6 40% and 5 NIFC’s and as 50 pence foreign box 3 3 1964 90% and 6 40% 3 NIFC’s and box 3 I found 1 1964 in roll 37 saving the box from being a skunk box lol so not a bad hunt so far I wish I knew your Facebook I’d love to friend request you snd add me to my coin group your knowledge would be so helpful hopefully catch your next live stream and actually going to become a member of your Chanel and not only a subscriber love your videos keep up the great work
@@SilverSeeker how do I become a Chanel member I’m trying to find how to join?
@@coopite wow thanks! There should be a join button under the video but you can also go to ruclips.net/user/silverseekerjoin
@@SilverSeeker thank you I’m gonna join now I’m gonna start with the $4.99 monthly and increase my membership as we go thank you so much of all the RUclips coin streamers you are my favorite
I could listen to the gold ring all day WHY DID YOU STOP IT. Lol very cool review thanks for sharing see you on the next one👍🏻👊🏻
Wow that's crazy this is amazing
10:59 Sound like before 24k, about 22k. ;D That with silver, right? Does you can open that tool, like if you doing something bigger, then coin?
How about striking them onto a big flat piece of marble
Great Video, good pocket pinger 😀
Nice review, cool item, awesome sounds...thanks .
Thanks for the video. We see that there is a coin pinger app to test ping sounds, but what about for the silver bars?
Happy independence day
You can use second coin to point first one
I'd like to buy one kit now for my bf's birthday but how long will it be delivered
Kinda stupid question does it hurt or ding the coin at all? I know gold is a soft metal, what about silver?
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!
I’ve been curious about this!
Record the sounds for relaxation and sleep therapy beats counting sheep trying to going to sleep 😁
It's a great device! Love mine and will do a giveaway on my channel soon!. Cheers!
Excellent and honest review!
one big problem, i don't think coin dealers will let you get their coins out of a slab or cardboard flip to test it unless you buy it first, i don't think they will let any stranger handle or mishandle their BU/Gem coins and hit them with a stick or something else, and here's comes another question let's say you buy the coins and test them in front of the dealer if for some reason you need to sell them back to him , will he accept the same price he charged you in the first place or will he argue that because coins where taken out of their slab or cardboard flip he will buy them back at a lower price? i will also love to see a video of the faces ppl make when testing this in public specially the coin dealer face lol.
Coin Dealers will honor their coins though so test it in front of them after you buy it. That said, if it's a reputable dealer you shouldn't really have to worry about it in the first place.
well unless they got an Xray machine
Slabs are always risky. Ignoring ping, you also can't weigh the coin in the slab.
I'd like to know the name of the iphone app. I don't seem to be able to find it.
Thanks for the video.. Do you know, where in Canada, I can buy the Pinger and Stick?
Is the bullion test app free? Is there a specific app you got? Ty
I use a free app called Pingcoin available through google play store works fine for me.
Couldn't hear the sound. Accustomed to hearing something after a strike. You made the sound proper 1/3 of the time
Wear headphones maybe it sounds great to me
Trying to buy but can't find the link
Link is in his description!
❤ thx for the info
So where can you buy a ping tester in Canada.
What is it about them that make that sound and why doesn't platinum?
Are ASEs supposed to ping the same way a Morgan does? I haven't been collecting that long so I know where all of my coins came from.
Wow 🤩✌️🌻🌻
I really need to stop watching these videos 🤣 I don't even have fiat or whatever it's called 🤣🤣🤣 lmao
will it micro scratch the coin...
Sucks I can’t get this app on iPhone so mad
Szczypnąć kruszec, fajnie.
I love it
will it work for 1 oz bar
With my APMEX 1oz silver rounds I only get 2/3 stars every time. Wondering if you know why this is
Better Review then LivecoinQ&A had of this product!! JJ
We did not review this, BlueRidgeSilverhound did but thanks for the kind words!
@@livecoinqa8330 Sorry Paula, I Didn't Mean you Personally!! But You Guys Review was GOOD!! JJ
@@livecoinqa8330 HUGS!! LOL JJ
How did you get the bullion test app?
What bullion tester app do you use?
Hey Seeker, do you have a electronic gold and silver tester?
Not atm but I've been eyeballing the sigma pro mini
@@SilverSeeker currently using the original PMV ... thinking to upgrade to PMV Pro
I’m thinking about making my ring tone the sound of a legit ping $$$
What is this prise?
What is the app called
Can it be used to test bullion bars?
What is the exact name of the app?
Do SD Bullion branded 1oz silver rounds have a very short ping? Shortest of any of the silver (ASE, Apmex, BGAGSC and a generic buffalo) I own
Honestly I don't know, I've never ping tested a SD round. I will try it soon though! Could be a number of different reasons though.
@@SilverSeeker Well I downloaded the Precious Coin Tester app for iphone and used the pinger, all of my coins including the SD Bullion passed
@@paulbritton1436 Good Deal! Glad to hear that :)
Good morning,whats the name of the App ?
What’s the name of the app
Did the guy who sent you this give you a discount code for your followers to save some money?
What is that app? I need one.
Could you 3D print something similar designed the way you want it
No need to go to all that trouble. A clothesline peg (pin?) with a couple of small rubber bands wound around the tips and a plastic pen are all that's needed. I can vouch for the result...
Measure the density
What app are you using on your Phone?
What app is that?
Pocket vise
Does this work with generic 1 oz rounds and bars?
rounds yes, bars no
Just ordered one
what bullion test app are you using?
It is called Bullion Test app😊