A QuinVigintic Equation (A 25K Special!)

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  • @jasoncetron233
    @jasoncetron233 3 года назад +52

    One small nuance that I tell my students all of the time: there are not 24 complex solutions, but instead there are 25, since the real solution is also complex. There is 1 real solution and 24 non-real solutions.
    As always, an excellent video! Congrats on 25k!!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад +6

      That's right!

    • @mokouf3
      @mokouf3 2 года назад +1

      Yes. I also made the same mistake for infinitely many times!

    • @JohnRandomness105
      @JohnRandomness105 2 года назад +1

      Let's be careful both ways. Let's avoid gotchas. So one should understand what is meant by one real solution and 24 complex solutions.
      One routinely refers to "integer spin" and "half-integer spin", with the understanding that the half-integer means non-integer. I don't really like saying, "integer-plus-a-half spin".

    • @squeezy8414
      @squeezy8414 2 года назад

      What do you mean the real solution is also complex?

    • @denismilic1878
      @denismilic1878 2 года назад

      @@squeezy8414 all real numbers are also complex number with zero imaginary part

  • @MathElite
    @MathElite 3 года назад +21

    Congrats on 25K man! You deserve it so much
    I think 100K could come by the end of the year

    • @brentwilson6692
      @brentwilson6692 3 года назад +4

      I'll look forward to seeing the proper term for a 100th degree equation at that time!

    • @infinitymodone4314
      @infinitymodone4314 3 года назад +2

      definitely

    • @leecherlarry
      @leecherlarry 3 года назад +1

      Congrats, 25k, just awesome!!

    • @HaiNguyen-qx3db
      @HaiNguyen-qx3db 3 года назад +1

      @@brentwilson6692 So...how about an equation with 100 fraction mark and a radical?

    • @aashsyed1277
      @aashsyed1277 3 года назад +1

      No even more.
      Btw, i can't see the join button
      And i think it is only in the USA

  • @HemantPandey123
    @HemantPandey123 3 года назад +7

    Equation 1 uses the property that both functions are inverse of each other and satisfy f(x) = x.

  • @snejpu2508
    @snejpu2508 3 года назад +20

    Congratulations on another milestone! Hmm, as I had no intention to deal with 25th degree polynomial, I started by being creative this time and it did its job. : ) I won't spoil all the solution, it's your part. But one little tip for solvers: it might be helpful for you if you know where a function and its inverse meet.

    • @leickrobinson5186
      @leickrobinson5186 3 года назад +2

      Although you have to be careful. Some functions can also intersect their inverse off the diagonal.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      Thank you! 💖

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      @@leickrobinson5186 That's interesting! You mean they will not intersect on the diagonal?

    • @leickrobinson5186
      @leickrobinson5186 3 года назад +1

      @@SyberMathI believe that you can show that any continuous function will intersect its inverse either not at all (as with y=e^x) or on the diagonal. However, in the latter case, it may also intersect its inverse off the diagonal as well. (E.g., the function y=(x-10)^2 will intersect its inverse in four places, two on the diagonal and two off the diagonal.)
      However, you can also construct a *discontinuous* function that only intersects its inverse *off* the diagonal. For example, the function defined by
      y = {1, x=0}
      will intersect its inverse at 2 locations, both off the diagonal [at (-1,1) and (1,-1)].

    • @sonalichakraborty6830
      @sonalichakraborty6830 3 года назад +1

      @@leickrobinson5186 bro the functions u gave as example aren't even bijective how in the world are u talking about the graph of their inverses? 😂

  • @carloshuertas4734
    @carloshuertas4734 3 года назад +7

    Another great explanation, SyberMath! I actually figured out the real value of x in my head. I did not know that there are 24 complex solutions in this math problem. Thanks!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад +2

      You're welcome! Thanks!

  • @henrydenner5448
    @henrydenner5448 3 года назад +1

    Good day. Congratulations on the subs. You got me as a new one. I love the way you describe the solutions and I also find your vocal tone very pleasing to listen to. And most importantly, I love your tempo of explanation. I think it is JUST RIGHT. Awesome!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад +1

      Awesome, thank you and welcome aboard! 💖

  • @coolmangame4141
    @coolmangame4141 3 года назад +1

    Congrats on 25K!!! 🎉

  • @derpycreeper2338
    @derpycreeper2338 3 года назад +2

    Congrats on 25K subscribers! 👏🤯🎊🥳

  • @tl1989
    @tl1989 3 года назад +2

    Congratulations for 25k subscribers!!!

  • @valentinodrachuk5692
    @valentinodrachuk5692 3 года назад +2

    Wow! Already 25k! Congrants!

  • @rssl5500
    @rssl5500 3 года назад +1

    Hello sybermath congrats to you on getting 25k I learned a lot from your RUclips channel including wlog assumptions using inequalities in smart ways and using Simon to solve fractional equations
    Thank you so much sybermath :D

  • @alatus2844
    @alatus2844 3 года назад +3

    I tried 2. Considering that you have to subtract x to get 30 (0 as ones digit), x should have the same ones digit as its 5th power.

  • @mustafizrahman2822
    @mustafizrahman2822 3 года назад +1

    Congratulations for 25.2k !!

  • @e-learningtutor1351
    @e-learningtutor1351 3 года назад +1

    congratulations on 25k,you deserve it brother :)

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      Thank you very much! 💖

  • @PunmasterSTP
    @PunmasterSTP 3 года назад

    This was a wonderful video, and I definitely learned new stuff and had fun in the process. I suppose you could say that now, things are…five-by-five!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      Awesome! Thanks! 💖

  • @laokratis55
    @laokratis55 3 года назад

    Congratulations for the milestone! I am looking forward for more geometry related problems ! In the equation you presented, the solution method could be similar for any number m that can be written as m=a^5-a, 30 being one case . Then the initial equation becomes (x^5-a^5+a)^5-a^5-(x-a)=0. If you factor the first two terms you get (x^5-a^5)(20th order pol. in x)-(x-a)=0 which again gives the real root a. This is essentially the same with what you presented, but factorization is applied to the first step. As a second remark any number m can be written as m=a^5-a since this equation has one real solution for the number a (positive or negative) as you showed by the graphic solution, therefore the initial equation has exactly one real solution for any real m.

  • @emmanuellaurens2132
    @emmanuellaurens2132 11 месяцев назад

    This is late, but:
    you can rewrite the original equation as (x^5 -30)^5 -30 = x
    f is used in the video, so to avoid confusion let g(x) = x^5 - 30
    We now have g(g(x)) = x
    But g(x) is an easy function to analyze, it is a simple translation of x->x^5, so it is a strictly increasing bijection, and it increases faster than x->x, so it will have a single point where g(x0)=x0, which we can either solve or guess is x=2, g(2)=2 and g(g(2))=g(2)=2.
    For yy, so again no possible solution.
    This, x=2 is the only real solution.
    As for complex solutions, I feel there should be a way to find them through the same functional analysis, but I'm afraid it's beyond my knowledge and skill :/

  • @yoav613
    @yoav613 3 года назад +1

    Very nice!

  • @rjamesmontejo
    @rjamesmontejo 3 года назад

    Congraaats!!

  • @quantumobject3815
    @quantumobject3815 3 года назад +2

    Is anybody else wondering about the logo

  • @tonyhaddad1394
    @tonyhaddad1394 3 года назад +2

    Congratulation mst sybermath for 25k sub , keep on !! ❤

    • @aashsyed1277
      @aashsyed1277 3 года назад

      You commented eallier today!

    • @tonyhaddad1394
      @tonyhaddad1394 3 года назад +1

      @@aashsyed1277 yes so what ? 😂

    • @aashsyed1277
      @aashsyed1277 3 года назад +1

      @@tonyhaddad1394 you don't comment this early!

    • @tonyhaddad1394
      @tonyhaddad1394 3 года назад

      @@aashsyed1277 yes bro it depend if im free or not

    • @aashsyed1277
      @aashsyed1277 3 года назад +1

      @@tonyhaddad1394 oh

  • @mcwulf25
    @mcwulf25 2 года назад +1

    I could see the X=2 solution at the start. The difficulty is proving it's the only solution. Nice problem 👍

  • @aashsyed1277
    @aashsyed1277 3 года назад

    Wow sybermath thanks so much!!!!!

  • @aashsyed1277
    @aashsyed1277 3 года назад

    Wow thanks for these joyful moments 😊😊☺️☺️😊😊

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      No problem! Thank you! 😊

  • @-basicmaths862
    @-basicmaths862 3 года назад

    (x^5-30)^5-x=30
    Rearrange the equation as
    (x^5-32+2)^5-32-(x-2)=0
    A=x^5-32
    (A+2)^5-2^5-(x-2)=0
    A{(A+2)^4+(A+2)^3*2+(A+2)^2*4+
    +(A+2)*8+16}-(x-2)=0
    Now x-2 is factor of A and so factor
    ofLHS.x=2

  • @moeberry8226
    @moeberry8226 3 года назад +1

    Right from the start if you add oaks to both sides of the equation and take the 5th root on both sides you will realize that the functions are inverses of each other and therefore the only real solutions come from Y equals X and then you can solve from there.

  • @harshsinghal5898
    @harshsinghal5898 3 года назад

    Man this guy is a champion at solving higher degree equations!

  • @suhail_69
    @suhail_69 3 года назад +10

    That's a strong term !! Quinviginticgigantic equation 😎

  • @txikitofandango
    @txikitofandango 3 года назад

    Congrats on your subscriber milestone! ... kilometerstone...

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад +1

      Thank you very much! 💖

  • @oscar5535
    @oscar5535 3 года назад +3

    I hope your channel has an exponential growth :D

  • @Frankyang819
    @Frankyang819 3 года назад

    amazing

  • @paragswarnkar6858
    @paragswarnkar6858 2 года назад +1

    Please tell me how you got other 24 complex solutions 🥺 which method you used...can you make a video on it please

  • @speakingsarcasm9014
    @speakingsarcasm9014 3 года назад +2

    I substituted x=2 r8 aftr seeing the eqn. 😎 my guess turned out correct!

  • @pardeepgarg2640
    @pardeepgarg2640 3 года назад

    Congratulations

  • @manumano3887
    @manumano3887 2 года назад

    Wish u get a million subs soon

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 года назад

      💖 Thank you! 💖

  • @user-mx8sj1nc6v
    @user-mx8sj1nc6v 3 года назад +1

    Guessing x=2 is simple. We have a line y=x+30 and f(x)=(x^5-30)^5. It is not difficult to find its derivative and conclude that increasing function, slightly before x=2 it is zero, and it is increasing very fast... almost like a straght vertical line... Do you think it is acceptable to explain like that ? that x=2 is the only intersection ?

  • @policarpo4816
    @policarpo4816 3 года назад +2

    How do we demonstrate that x^4+2x^3+4x^2+8x+15=0 has no real solutions? With similar steps I concluded that x=2 is a solution, but I wasn’t able to show that it is the only solution.

    • @dqrk0
      @dqrk0 3 года назад +2

      u can easily see it because u are adding a bunch of terms and u have x⁴ as a leading term which will PROBABLY ALWAYS going to exceed other terms. for the whole proof u will need to express it as a sum of perfect squares.

    • @policarpo4816
      @policarpo4816 3 года назад +3

      @@dqrk0 Well, the leading term tells us about the limit to +infinity and -infinity, it doesn’t really tell us what happens “in between”.
      Anyway, I used your strategy and this is what I found: x^4+2x^3+4x^2+8x+15 = (x^2+x)^2+1/3(3x+4)^2+29/3, which is a sum of positive terms (actually, two are non-negative and one is positive), therefore the polynomial is always positive and has no real roots.
      Thanks a lot for your tip!!

    • @dqrk0
      @dqrk0 3 года назад

      @@policarpo4816 yes, i agree, its not really a proof, but its a really good sign when u have a bunch of terms that are just adding up, it USUALLY means it doesn't have any real roots. of course u need a rigorous proof of that, but u know that u are chasing ,,no real roots" as a result. great job, i am glad i have helped :)

    • @MicheleCaine
      @MicheleCaine 3 года назад

      The hard way is to do long division in order to prove that the quotient has no real solutions

    • @policarpo4816
      @policarpo4816 3 года назад

      @@MicheleCaine if there are no solutions there is nothing to divide the polynomial by (without a remainder). If you mean dividing x^5-x-30 by x-2, I used synthetic division, there is really no need for long division

  • @JohnRandomness105
    @JohnRandomness105 2 года назад

    Just try out nice numbers, such as x = ...
    So how the heck do we divide out x-... from that polynomial?

  • @michaelempeigne3519
    @michaelempeigne3519 3 года назад +2

    I got x=2 as an answer by inspection

  • @mamaklu9518
    @mamaklu9518 2 года назад

    To test x=1,x=2 find key x=2 it is very simple.

  • @Grassmpl
    @Grassmpl 3 года назад

    Here's why the quartic has no real roots. Rewrite 4x^2 as 2x^2+2x^2 so now you have 6 terms in decreasing order of exponents. The sum of the first 3 term is >=0, and last 3 terms is >0, both by the quadratic formula.

  • @gemeni0
    @gemeni0 2 года назад +1

    Oh! No! We needed other 24 solutions not aproximations.

  • @Umbra451
    @Umbra451 3 года назад

    Nice solution! I assume all the complex solutions have the same absolute value as the real one?

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      That's a good question! Why would that be the case?

    • @Alians0108
      @Alians0108 3 года назад

      @@SyberMath Because all solutions are written as
      R(cosv+isinv) = z
      IzI = sqrt(R^2(cos^2(v)+sin^2(v))) = R

    • @user-ei6rd7ei7x
      @user-ei6rd7ei7x 3 года назад

      Let all 25 complex roots have absolute value 2. By Vieta's formulas, product of roots equals to -(-30^5-30), but it's absolute value equals to 2^25 by assumption. 30^5+30 is divided by 3, but 2^25 is not divisible by 3. Therefore, 30^5+30 ≠ 2^25. Contradiction.

    • @Umbra451
      @Umbra451 3 года назад

      @@SyberMath Oh no, that was just a guess. I would love to see them mapped out and see if / why they make any kind of shape.

  • @aviratnakumar5847
    @aviratnakumar5847 3 года назад

    That's awaome now supposedly someone asks to find all the four complex solution to the other factors then how to proceed.

  • @elmurazbsirov7617
    @elmurazbsirov7617 2 года назад

    Красивое решение.Спасибо.Привет из Баку.

  • @Germankacyhay
    @Germankacyhay 3 года назад +1

    👍

  • @GGR1986228
    @GGR1986228 3 года назад

    (x^5 - 30)^5 - x = 30 = 32 - 2
    (x^5 - 30)^5 = 32 --> x^5 - 30 = 2 --> x^5 = 32 --> x = 2
    answer: x = 2

  • @michaelempeigne3519
    @michaelempeigne3519 3 года назад

    (x^5 - 30 )^5 - 30 = x ==> Let f ( x ) = x^5 - 30
    so f ( f ( x ) ) = x
    and as a result f ( x ) = f^( - 1 ) ( x )

  • @leecherlarry
    @leecherlarry 3 года назад +6

    compi finds 25 solutions (24 complex, 1 real), here is the real solution:
    *Solve[(x^5 - 30)^5 - x == 30, x, Reals]*

    • @archiebrew8184
      @archiebrew8184 3 года назад +1

      weird bot

    • @MathElite
      @MathElite 3 года назад +1

      @@archiebrew8184 lol by the way it isn't a bot but it looks like one a little

    • @leecherlarry
      @leecherlarry 3 года назад +2

      @@MathElite "it" = "bot" = "compi" ?
      yee .

    • @pardeepgarg2640
      @pardeepgarg2640 3 года назад +1

      Yeet

  • @alnitaka
    @alnitaka 3 года назад

    So what kind of an equation is (x^9-19680)^9 - x = 19680? I guess it would be an unoctogenic equation.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      Probably unoctogintic 😁

  • @tuongnguyenduc2291
    @tuongnguyenduc2291 3 года назад

    Let y = x^5 -30 and we have system sym !

  • @paultoutounji3582
    @paultoutounji3582 2 года назад

    I think you forgot the coefficient of the Pascal Triangle (1-4-6-4-1) in your demo....

  • @Wurfenkopf
    @Wurfenkopf 3 года назад

    Another solution:
    From the manipulation at 2:27 we know that x is a fixed point of f(f(t)), where:
    f(t) = t^5 - 30
    But the succession a[n+1]=f(a[n]) is strictly increasing for initial condition a[0]>2 and strictly decreasing for a[0]

  • @mathsfamily6766
    @mathsfamily6766 3 года назад

    So why do yo know the second factor is complex solutions? Sir

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      Because the function is increasing, it can only have one intersection point with a horizontal line

  • @inkkouttritue6142
    @inkkouttritue6142 2 года назад

    ở VN cái này gọi là hàm đặc trưng đấy mn ạ :))

  • @ieatgarbage8771
    @ieatgarbage8771 2 года назад

    ok fine maybe I won’t plug and chug
    (x^5-30)^5-(x+30)=0
    well, x+30 isn’t a factor…
    ((x-2)(x^4+2x^3+4x^2+8x+16)+2)^5-(x+32-2)=0
    This gives me no insight
    Maybe we can use recursion, although I already peaked a comment saying there were 25 solutions and woah Woah WOOOooah, I think I just got something whatever I’ll think about it later.
    x=-30+(-30+x^5)^5
    you understand
    x=x^5-30
    x^5-x-30=0
    This is a quintic. I guess old habits die hard.
    32-2-30=0
    x=2
    (x-2)(x^4+2x^3+4x^2+8x+15)=0
    great. Now I have a quartic with no rational roots. whatever, (x^2+ax+b)(x^2+cx+d)
    c=2-a
    d=3-b-2a+a^2
    b(2-a)+(3-b-2a+a^2)d=8
    b(3-b-2a+a^2)=15
    Oh I give up!

  • @tonyhaddad1394
    @tonyhaddad1394 3 года назад +1

    11:06 but you didnt prove it (its another case ,not like (x^5+x =y^5+y)

    • @tonyhaddad1394
      @tonyhaddad1394 3 года назад

      I have a proof :
      We have f(x) = x^4 + 2x^3 + 4x^2 + 8x + 15 = 0
      my claim is that its always > 0
      f(x) can be writen as
      (X+(1/2))^4 + (5/2)x^2 + (15/2)x + 239/16
      the first term is >= 0 (since 4 power)
      and the rest has negative descrimenent (and the coefficient of x^2 is positive) so the rest is always strictly bigger then 0
      therefor f(x) is always > 0

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад +1

      Nice!

    • @tonyhaddad1394
      @tonyhaddad1394 3 года назад

      @@SyberMath thank u 😍

  • @Egitimci-my9vf
    @Egitimci-my9vf Год назад

    Çok uzun bir soru.Belki işlem sırası ve işlem geliştirmye faydası var belki.Orijinal; kullanışlı bir işlem değil bence

  • @3r3nite98
    @3r3nite98 3 года назад +1

    Ok,also adway kumar pls respond to me,Its my bad that I made u feel bad,I dont mean to make u feel bad.

  • @Teamstudy4595
    @Teamstudy4595 3 года назад

    X=2

  • @udibaraj6714
    @udibaraj6714 3 года назад

    Only mathematicians can solve this

  • @aashsyed1277
    @aashsyed1277 3 года назад

    You should say in the title real solutions.
    Btw, how did Wolfram alpha solved a 25th degree polynomial cause there is no 25th degree solution.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      It probably approximated

  • @gemeni0
    @gemeni0 2 года назад

    I think the right spanish-latin word is quinvigesimic or quinvigesic not the way you've put it.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  2 года назад

      I think the right word is viginti quintic. I don't know why I used quinvigintic which is 10^78
      en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quinvigintillion 😜

  • @ezequielangelucci1263
    @ezequielangelucci1263 3 года назад +1

    -30 -30 = 0?????

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад +1

      -30 - (-30) = 0

    • @ezequielangelucci1263
      @ezequielangelucci1263 3 года назад

      @@SyberMath ohhhh, srry i was thinkinf like 10 minutes that i dont figure how
      thnxs a lot! i love your videos

  • @rocketsroar1
    @rocketsroar1 3 года назад

    It is difficult for me to see any point to these videos, since the "solutions" involve a huge amount of prior knowledge which cannot be explained or justified within the video. I would recommend abandoning this kind of effort.

  • @mustafizrahman2822
    @mustafizrahman2822 3 года назад +3

    Congratulations for 25.2k !!