Video 1/3 JonBenét Ramsey: This multi-discipline approach points overwhelmingly to Patsy
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- the JonBenét Ramsey case has baffled the public for years.
Reality is, it is a lot simpler than it looks like. Stick with the facts and it solves itself.
Occam's razor states, "the simplest solution is typically the correct one".
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The idea that someone would break-in, snatch the little girl from her bed and carry her down those wooden stairs without anyone hearing. Then spend all that time binding her up like that and THEN go back up and sit down at the kitchen table for another half hour writing that long-ass note while there's still 3 other people in the house. And when the cops show up in the morning, Patsy's still wearing her outfit from the night before? And then they refuse to speak to the police and hop on a plane to leave the state? C'mon man!
@@nbenefiel So the killer broke into the house on some previous day and took sheets of paper from Patsy's notepad? Then went home and wrote that long rambling note which somehow included the exact amount of John's Christmas bonus? And then brought the note back with him on Xmas day but then killed Jon Benet instead of kidnapping her and still left the note? Sure that makes perfect sense.
@@nbenefiel The Ramseys left the State and flew to Atlanta. They weren't sticking around to cooperate with the investigators. Murder is State crime, so they even had Jon Benet shipped to Atlanta and buried her there.
@@nbenefiel They left the State because they didn't want to cooperate with investigation...obviously.
Don't forget rummaging around John's desk to find pay stubs, going back upstairs to get different clothing to dress JonBenet in after wiping her down and removing whatever clothing she had been wearing before she was "kidnapped". And no one woke up or heard a thing. In most crimes, the criminals bring their own tools of the trade. Rather suspicious that most if not all of everything used in this crime came from within the house. Some will say it was to frame Patsy. Why? Did she anger another pageant mom maybe? None of the intruder theory makes any sense to me.
@@nbenefiel You are assuming a lot, here. You cannot unequivocally state what happened, unless of course you were there. This is just conjecture, your opinion. The evidence of the wrists being tied shows they were not tightly tied around her wrists. That came from JR. And yet he was able to easily slip one of the cord ligatures off one of her wrists. The coroner also stated that he was able to fit one of his fingers in between her wrist and the cord that bound her wrists. He also noted that there were no marks on the skin under the bindings. They were not tight. Further, after examining the duct tape, investigators found that there was a perfect set of imprints of JBR’s lips on the sticky side of the tape. There was also mucous from her nose. Both suggest that the tape was not applied at the outset of “the abduction”, but rather most likely after some time had elapsed.
Of all the things I have read and watched about the brutal murder of JonBenet Ramsey, this analysis is the most reasoned and the most scientifically intelligent. Many of us long suspected that a member of the Ramsey family was responsible, not an "intruder".
Also, why would any kidnapper write a 2-1/2-page ransom note? The information about John's bonus amount in the note is also telling. The handwriting analysis clinches it.
Why the hell would someone in the house write the note AND leave the body in the basement showing it wasn’t a kidnapping??
@nbenefiel again, your opinion is not based in reality. Good luck to you.
@@nbenefiel handwriting analysis is about as legit as polygraph machines. Pseudo science
@@nbenefiel That simply isn’t true. They did not exonerate her. The only family member whom they determined they did not think wrote the note was John.
@@nbenefiel Respectfully, I disagree. All the verifiable evidence does NOT exonerate the Ramseys. They have not been charged because it was feared the evidence might not be enough for a jury to convict, not because the evidence exonerates them. The grand jury did vote to indict on the charges of child abuse resulting in death and of being accessories to a crime. The DA at the time, Alex Hunter, was not being truthful when he held the press conference announcing no charges. It all came out later. Alex Hunter’s actions throughout the entire investigation are questionable. In 2006, based upon new dna testing, the DA Mary Lacy made the unprecedented decision to apologize to the Ramseys and announce that she was “clearing” them. This was based upon the finding of a 3rd person’s dna on one place, JBR’s long Johns. This decision was widely criticized. Firstly, the sample tested was minute and could have been the result of inconsequential contact with other people, or have been transferred from another piece of clothing. Secondly, the presence of this dna neither proves nor disproves the intruder theory, neither does it exonerate the family members. Typically when someone is cleared it’s because the real perpetrator has been found and charged. This case is still unsolved and Lacy’s decision is not legally binding. In the words of the DA who followed Lacy in office, “it’s a good faith opinion and has no legal importance but the opinion of the person who had the job before I did…”
Patsy was all about keeping up appearances first and foremost.
She covered for John.... No father would strangle his own child for no one but himself. He is the Garrote maker n that means he killed her!!
@diannenash2703 in principle, I agree. Context is needed and changes things.
I do believe John placed and staged with the garrote. However, I also believe that Patsy struck at John with the power to hit an adult and accidentally hit JonBenét. They believed in their panic she was
dead, and decided to cover it up to avoid jail.
Patsy struck at John because she believed incest was taking place. This is why the a dictionary was opened and ear marked the word incest.
No....a former beauty queen that parades her 5 year old in sexy outfits and tours house at Christmas? lol
Right." She was just a Patsy"
@@MarcelElfersit’s clear Patsy wrote the note, but it’s so hard to imagine the kind of accident that would have killed JB that was so damaging to their reputations that staging a sick sex killing and writing a long ransom note was a sensible option out of their dilemma.
I don’t know who killed JonBenet, but Patsy 100 percent wrote the ransom note. In an interview, she was asked if she believed whoever wrote the ransom note had something to do with JonBenet death. She hesitated, but stated, yes. Guilty as sin!
True. I am not sure what interview you are referring to, but in this Larry king interview, she states with compassion that “the killer wrote the note”. ruclips.net/video/Ugy-kimRJ7Y/видео.html
@@MarcelElfers She says the same in this interview. Once again, guilt! If she had not written the ransom letter, I would have never ever believed she had anything to do with her daughter’s death. At the end of the day, you just never what persons are capable of.
@@MarcelElfers Patsy had to get emphatic to lie like that on the Larry King Live Show. Patsy did not kill Jonbenet. & there was no intruder.
Exaggeration is a trait to convince of the opposite.
@@MarcelElfers Patsy knew she wrote the ransom essay however she also knew she did not kill Jonbenet. Steve Thomas kept saying "so do you agree whoever wrote the ransom note killed Jonbenet." Patsy did not want to answer so she had to build up momentum to lie. I have done it myself when i have had to lie when I did not want to but kept being needled about it. I recognize her behaviour. (do you really think John would trust Patsy with Burke if he knew she murdered Jonbenet ?)
She took this to her grave and her husband knows this.
John did it not patsy
I’m not convinced the housekeeper didn’t do it with her husband and son in law. They had the key and they had handwriting samples of PR’s
@courtneyschwab4301 the housekeeper has been excluded as the author of the note.
Also, it is extremely hard to accurately mimic someone’s handwriting. For a trained eye, it’s nearly impossible.
@@courtneyschwab4301from what I have heard, a lot of people had keys to that house. I feel that this was a very well planned crime. That involved more than one person with possibly more than one motive. Obviously, that note was set up to make it point right to the Ramseys, including the bonus amount. But that would serve two purposes. It would implicate the Ramseys if the perpetrators didn’t get their money and would be more easily accessible from a bank for the Ramseys to withdraw and pay out if they did. I do wonder if Patsy was forced to write the note at gunpoint or something, believing that her daughter had been kidnapped. I think the motive may have been money and murder for different parties involved. And that’s possibly why Jon Benet was hidden in that room in the basement. I obviously don’t know and these are only speculations, but I just don’t believe that the family committed this crime.
@@cici2562 the family didn’t commit the crime. The son Burke accidentally fatally injured John Benet, with either a flashlight or some heavy object when they were roughhousing possibly arguing over food. Anyone who has grown up with boys as siblings knows how crazy it can get sometimes and violent even kids don’t care and don’t measure the severity of their actions. When the parents realize what happened they had to make a decision say goodbye to both their kids because Burks going to Juvie or set up a scene and save burke. They had all night to think about it and set the scene. Patsy was still in her clothes, and Patsy wrote the note. That’s just common sense. Can anyone prove Patsy wrote the note? Well that’s a little more difficult because handwriting analysis much like teeth work analysis is not an exact science. There’s no DNA in handwriting. But when you read the note and look at it, common sense kicks in and they should’ve arrested Patsy and let a jury decide rather than not charge them for fear of not winning because they couldn’t prove that Patsy wrote it. But if Patsy wrote that note which she did then the case is over.
Also, with all of the media attention given to this case, and with all the time that it’s gone by, they still haven’t found the killer? Wouldn’t you the father be completely and totally outraged that no one has been charged? Wouldn’t you be going on the news criticizing the police encourage encouraging others to help or even demanding that the FBI take over the case you’d be doing something you wouldn’t just be going in living your life saying oh well we never found the killer. Also, as the father wouldn’t be spending the rest of your days on this earth committed to searching for this person much like the family from England McCann.? John has remarried moved on with his life. Burke is giving interviews laughing with a smirk come on. We’re not stupid.
I can't belive they got away with it
@moanamoonlight698 If you look in to the case you wouldn't be able to believe the BPD ignored likely suspects like the housekeeper, Linda Pugh, Michael Helgoth, Santa Bill, and Chris Wolf.
But...did they?
I agree
They didn’t get away with it. Believe because John and Burke are both alive.
Best analysis, clear, simple, and logical. Throws away all other nonsense investigations. As to why, this crime has never being officially solved is mind boggling. I think this crime is straightforward and points out to only three suspects. I also believe that John had or has a lot of political influence and therefore made every attempt to cover and protect themselves.
High probability that he was a M-son, as is G. McCann and ex PM G. Brown.
This is how they work.
There are many similarities in both cases.
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Without the ransom note, no one would have thought an intruder entered. Since we know the ransom note was written inside the house, this makes it more likely it was part of a ruse.
@@nbenefiel The DNA is blended, and could have come through incidental contact. Here's the problem with the print theory. The supposed intruder was smart enough to wear gloves when writing the letter, handling the pen and flashlight, but took off his gloves when he attacked her?
The DNA was very recently found to be DNA from several people. New testing dismissed the theory it was one " Hispanic person "
@@protochris Exactly. The DNA evidence is weak IMO, certainly not a slam dunk to make the intruder case. The palm print found in the basement on the door of the wine cellar that was first unidentified was later identified as being made by JR’s daughter Melinda.
@@Giorgiafan78 electricians and workers were in that basement. No hard DNA of intruder.
Anyone who still believes there was an 'intruder' involved is either in denial or extraordinarily gullible.
exact, people who believe in intruder theory in that case are mal intended people that engage in heavy neglectfull thinking and shouldnt be talked 2 and should be ignored fully
Exactly' There was no intruder. Patsy wrote the note to cover for whichever male in the house committed the murder, and I very much suspect John.
No intruder period excellent job as always sir God bless u and yours And always justice 4. jonbenet
very well said yes Patsy wrote the note Do. U believe that John was molesting Jon Benet at one point u had said yes 2 that and Patsy went 2 hit John and accidently hit JonBenet
Thank you! I couldn't believe that Dr. Phil Mcgraw bought into the the Ramsay's garbage.
I teach my criminal psychology students: if the scene seems staged, who would want to throw off law enforcement? If it seems like somebody doesn't want the crime solved, who would want that and why? The people muddying the water are the people in the house in this case. A stranger knows the entire world are suspects and an investigation must narrow it down. If it was someone in the house they would NEED to complicate the scene.
It's just another good example of extremely poor, no, egregious CSI performances. It was right in front of the first responder officers, right there, and they either didn't want to believe it or they were just plain stupid. It's probably the latter. Mom and Dad were probably in on it. Dad probably got a little too frisky with Jon Benet, and she was probably going to talk, so.....Look at how Dad talks. Observe his body language. Observe Mom's while you're at it. Stupid cops. Terrible forensics. Did they check Dad for any fibers or hairs? Apparently not. Stupid.
I am 53, so I was in my 20's in the 90's and clearly remember this case, along with OJ, Menendez, etc. The 90's were CRAZY and memorable, to say the least. I always wanted to know the results and when Gary Oliva was looked at I felt a sense of relief, but after seeing your 3 part series I am CONVINCED you are correct. It's so tragic, and needless, especially if she was terminally ill with cancer, but that speaks to the narcissist in Patsy.
Yes, very good point.
Not only was the crime scene staged but it was done in a way to try to direct attention towards the Ramsey's.
*The Samsonite suitcase under the broken window in the basement. Inside was a duvet with John Andrew's semen stains on it. Who was in charge of doing his laundry?
* The broken window. Why wasn't it repaired? Both John and Patsy said in separate depositions that the Pugh's knew about it. Mervyn was supposed to repair it while the Ramsey's were in NYC at Christmas time and Patsy said she and Linda Pugh worked together to clean up the shards of glass when Patsy and the kids returned from the summer at Charlevoix MI.
* The favorite white blanket and Barbie nightie. Who knew that they were JonBenet's favorites and that there was a second floor dryer that was used just for Jonbenet's laundry?
* Burke's knife. Linda Pugh said she hid it and only she knew where yet it showed up in the basement crime scene.
* The unflushed excrement that was in the basement toilet. Patsy testified under oath that she had given Pugh the task of cleaning it up and Linda later told the press that there was excrement smeared on JB's box of Christmas candy. Since she wasn't in the house after the 23rd how would she know about this? If it were true why wasn't it listed on the lists of evidence collected? Why wasn't it tested for DNA?
* Why would the amount of John's Christmas bonus be used for the ransom? Who would have thought that only the Ramsey's would know this amount? It seems unlikely the Ramsey's would have chosen this if they were guilty since a much larger demand would be reasonable considering their wealth and the fact that kidnappings are not undertaken for chump change since they can involve the FBI and bring the death penalty. Furthermore, the Ramsey's would have known they would not have to pay a red cent since they would have realized there were no kidnappers if they did it.
* The oversized "Day of the Week" panties were stored high in a closet as they were bought for JB's older cousin. Who knew they were there and could have told their location to co-conspirators?
* The flashlight. A neighbor heard a clank of metal on a hard surface around the time of Patsy's call to 9-1-1. Why would the flashlight have been left upstairs yet a baseball bat with carpet fibers from the basement rug was thrown outside the Butler Kitchen door?
* Another basic aspect of crime investigation you know as a criminology professor is that of "Cui bono?" Who benefits?
In this case, we know it would not be the Ramsey's. They had an idyllic life. A large beautiful house, two healthy, successful children, a great income, free time to vacation and many friends including from their congregation.
Of course, the claim is that rage caused the crime so the person was not rational who committed it and later tried to make it look as if someone else did. Yet the two rage theories, bed-wetting and purloined pineapple do not fit the medical evidence. If killed in a rage Jonbenet would have been unconscious from a severe 8 1/2 " skull fracture. But that would have left her incapable of scratching her throat getting her own skin's DNA under her fingernails. It also would have made it impossible for her to have been the one who screamed at about 2:00 as heard by neighbor Melonie Stanton.
So why on earth would the parents write a not pointing the kidnapping when they know the bodies in the basement where they have to assume it’ll be found?
This makes just as little sense as a stranger doing it.
Whoever did it… the note is bizarre. The writings of a confused mind.
If anything it seems more likely a crazy perve would write it than educated reasonable people
How did the police never ask the obvious: why would an intruder leave a ransom note when the ‘hostage’ was already dead there in the basement of the home…??
@@nbenefiel True. The crime scene was botched but worse was the failure of the BPD to follow up on the true perpetrators of this horrible crime.
*There was the Facilitator - The housekeeper Linda Pugh. Linda Pugh was the one who provided the key, the paper and pen, the insider's knowledge of the house's layout including Jonbenet's room, The Guest Room, The Spiral Staircase, the Wine Cellar and the In Ground Safe. Very importantly she told where important the telephone notepad and pen were located.
Planning started at least since Thanksgiving when the Ramsey's were away doing Christmas shopping in NYC and she discovered the in ground safe in the Wine Cellar Room.
She knew that she and her husband Mervyn were not up to the task of writing the ransom note or subduing John after he'd opened the in ground safe. For that they chose a mastemind and some muscle men.
The Mastermind, Chris Wolf was provided samples of Patsy's handwriting, with examples from the many handwritten work assignments Patsy gave Linda Pugh. In her book "The Death of an Innocent," Pugh boasted of knowing Patsy's expressions and handwriting and of having these samples of her handwriting.
*There was the Expediter - Santa Bill
*The Mastermind - Chris Wolf had the education and training to compose the ransom note and the expertise about movies of the adventure genre. From practice he was able to write in a manner very similar but still different from Patsy's. You can see how similar his handwriting was to the Ransom Note here:
*There were two Muscle Men - Michael Helgoth and one other. Helgoth had told John Kenady in late November that he and an accomplice had a "killer deal" lined up for around Christmas. Each would get fifty to sixty thousand dollars which amounts to roughly the ransom demand of $118K. He had told Kenady he wanted to find out what it would feel like to crush someone's skull. He was a known sadist, a sniper, and a pedophile. He liked to roam around at night dressed all in black. He had a weird collection of video clips, one of which was of a Disney Santa waking up a little girl. He was found dead after Valentine's Day and the BPD said it was a suicide but it had the earmarks of a murder. He was right handed but the bullet entered in his lower left side. There was a pillow shot clear through with his blood next to the bullet hole. Who would care about noise if they were committing suicide? There were stun guns, a hat with SBTC on it, a wolf dog pup matching the hairs found on JB and Hi-Tec boots. Most tellingly, he had not one but TWO strong depressants in his system. See Real Crime: Who killed the Pageant Queen. ruclips.net/video/wGIcrsgPXX4/видео.html
The second muscle man was never named but he left his DNA under JB's fingernail, in blood spots in her underpants and on her leggings. He was excluded from being a Ramsey by this DNA.
*The Expediter - Last but not least there was The Expediter. This was Professor William McGovern AKA Santa Bill. He was enamored of Jonbenet and wanted his ashes mixed with the gold glitter she'd given him. He himself had had a kidnapping of his own daughter and her friend 22 years to the day earlier. Oddly only the friend was sexually accosted. His wife even wrote an award winning play of a young girl who disappeared but was found strangled in her own basement.
He set Jonbenet up for being taken from her bed. She told her friend Meghan's mother that Santa was going to come after Christmas but it was a secret. Trip DeMuth also found a card from Santa telling of a present after Christmas.
The fly in the ointment was that the Ramsey's did not heed the warning and instead immediately called 9-1-1. Hearing Patsy's screams and hearing the terrified phone call, they knew that there would be no safe opening. A baseball bat was found outside the back door which was left ajar. On it were grey fibers from the basement rug. The fled in to the night and the BPD did not have sense enough to call in scent dogs right away.
The bat was the coup de grace because we know JB was alive during at least part of the strangulation as she'd scratched her throat area and had her own skin under her fingernails. But the 8 1/2" skull fracture bled very slightly indicating she was either very near death or dead after she was struck.
@vernonfrance2974 your analysis is very similar to what I believe may have happened. Well done.
@@gulfside98 Thank you! At last a positive comment about what I believe from the investigations of great criminologists like Lou Smit, Ollie Gray, John Douglas John San Agustin and more. Also, the detailed account of the events of that morning by Lawrence Schiller, the brave attempts to inform the Police by Jackie Dilson and John Kenady, the odd connections of Pugh, Wolf and Santa Bill, many depositions under oath available on line, Wolf's letter to Carol McKinley of Fox News and his handwriting similarities to the Ransom Note, the obvious murder, not suicide, of Helgoth, lies of Linda Pugh, Santa Bill's promise to Jonbenet he'd come AFTER Christmas, neighbors' observations, the media and BPD's obsession with the Ramsey's supposed guilt and more.
I think a big stumbling block has been the assumption that one person did this without recognizing the amount of planning and time and effort to carry it out it would have required.
@@nbenefiel
True. And there are some reasons to believe that the blow to the head came AFTER the strangulation.
As you indicate, the attack was of a sadistic nature and sadists would not derive their sick satisfaction without the victim's conscious suffering.
JB had her own skin under her fingernails and also skin from an unknown male. A neighbor said she heard a child's scream around 2:00 am. These things could occur if she had an 8 1/2 " skull fracture because she would have been unconscious.
There are many signs that intruders were there but some would rather believe it was her parents who had NO history of any kind of physical or sexual abuse. No indication that the parents had been anything but model citizens. No evidence of pornographic materials or prurient interests.
Signs of intruders: .) Animal hair, alleged to be from a beaver, was found on the duct tape. (SMF ¶ 83; PSMF ¶ 83.) Yet, nothing in defendants' home matches the hair (SMF ¶ 83; PSMF ¶ 83.), thereby suggesting either that the duct tape had been obtained from outside the home or that it had been carried outside the home at some point. Dark animal hairs were also found on JonBenet's hands that have not been matched to anything in defendants' home. (SMF ¶ 84; PSMF ¶ 84.)other fiber evidence supports an inference that some of these items from outside the home were, at one time, in the second floor area near Jon-Benet's bedroom. That is, fibers consistent with those of the cord used to make the slip knots and garrote were found on JonBenet's bed. (SMF ¶ 168; PSMF ¶ 168.)
other fiber evidence supports an inference that some of these items from outside the home were, at one time, in the second floor area near Jon-Benet's bedroom. That is, fibers consistent with those of the cord used to make the slip knots and garrote were found on JonBenet's bed. (SMF ¶ 168; PSMF ¶ 168.)
Then there is the case of the young woman ac costed in her own bed nine months after the JB assault and murder. There were piles of Camel blue cigarette butts found near both sites. In both cases, the attacks occurred after the families had been out for the afternoon and early evening. The girls had gone to the same dance school. In both cases the BPD failed to turn up adequate evidence to justify an arrest.
@@nbenefiel My posts are so long that I sometimes I don't include all the documentation even though I should.
In the case of Linda Pugh the evidence comes from her own statements first to Lawrence Schiller in his "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," and in Pugh's own chapter she called "The Death of an Innocent." This reveals contradictions between the two accounts. First, Patsy is "a wonderful kind person." . COMMENTS ON BEDWETTING: "She just put a plastic cover on the bed. No big deal to her. By the time I'd come in the morning, Patsy would have all the sheets off the bed and in the laundry."
In her chapter, someoneisgettingawaywithmurder.blogspot.com/2010/11/death-of-innocent.html
she claims to have seen Patsy, "many times" take JB to the bathroom, shut the door and then hear JB scream. I don't believe this because if it had been true she would have reported it from the very beginning when the BPD showed up at her door and subsequently found she had identical pens and paper as Patsy's. In fact, it was from Patsy's supplies. She brags about knowing Patsy's expressions and handwriting very well and had many specimens of it from Patsy's handwritten instructions to her for her work details.
There are many other contradictions from newspaper accounts. For example, she first said that only she knew where she hid Burke's knife and later she said only the Ramsey's knew. ”'That showed up where JonBenet was," said Hoffmann-Pugh. 'I would stake my life that an intruder wouldn't know to get that out of the cupboard. Someone took that knife out of the cupboard WHERE I PUT IT."' "Hoffmann-Pugh SAID SHE DIDN'T TELL JONBENET'S PARENTS WHERE SHE STOWED THE KNIFE." www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-knives.htm
She knew Santa Bill and her husband as a handyman would have known Michael Helgoth, an electrician. .. PUGH KNEW SANTA BILL who told Jonbenet he was going to bring her a present after Christmas. "I stuck around with my daughter Ariana to see Santa. This year Mrs. Claus was there too. Santa looked kind of sick." PM,PT"
00. 1996-12-24: JBR: "Santa Claus promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas" (PMPT Pg50sb)
00. 1996-12-24: JonBenet insisted. "He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret." (PMPT Pg50sb)
"Looking back, I always thought that if anybody wanted to do major damage to this family, they could do it at Christmas, because they all adored Christmas. -Bill McReynolds" (PM,PT) P 292
www.acandyrose.com/s-neighbors-barbara-kostanick.htm
Chris Wolf revealed a lot and confirmed a lot of what his informer, his former girlfriend at the time of the murder, Jackie
Dilson had said to Steve Thomas the investigator who resigned to cash in big time on his "Patsy did it theme" which was and is so popular. Eventually the Ramsey's sued him and won. At Wolf's libel trial against the Ramsey's Thomas was forced to admit his leaks and how worried he was that a contact named Shapiro would divulge his unethical behavior. He had big rea$on$ to go with the Patsy Did It Version - his book, his lectures for hire, and his talk show and news paid interviews.
As to Chris Wolf, in his deposition under oath he had to admit Bill McGovern was his faculty adviser, that he was an expert knot tier, that he had written negative things about John both before and after the murder and these confirmed what Dilson said about his preoccupation with Third World Countries and claims that John was a "Merchant of Death," for his company's alleged arms sales.
There are also depositions at that trial from Steve Thomas showing he had leaked to the press, that he had discounted Dilson's information even though it was confirmed by the letter that Wolf wrote Fox News" Carol McKinley who Thomas said was his "friend" and who discussed the case with him.
Police Chief Mark Beckner was also deposed and he admitted that he did not know a lot about Wolf's background such as that he had been a stripper and a convicted sex offender. He had no explanation as to why Wolf had been so quickly dismissed as a suspect despite the fact he had to be hobbled in January, 1997 then released and not brought back in until February, 1998 at which time his DNA was taken. Beckner did not know if it had ever been compared to the significant DNA not revealed until 2003 from the second blood spot.
There is a lot of good information about Michael Helgoth in "Real Crime: The Killing of the Pageant Queen." I looked up his autopsy report and found that he had two strong depressants in his system on autopsy. ruclips.net/video/wGIcrsgPXX4/видео.html It is more likely he was murdered than a suicide according to Detective Ollie Gray.
The Burke Ramsey v CBS case is also available on line and gives a long, long list of the times in which Burke has been deemed uninvolved in any way by both the BPD and the DA's on the case.
If you have any more specific questions about a particular claim I've made I would be happy to look it up again for you. I notice you have been one of the few who has tried to ward off the unreasonable attacks on the Ramsey's and it is wise that you ask for sources. No statements can be taken at face value without backup.
Hopefully this will be declared a cold case and the evidence files will be analyzed. For example, I hope the source of the unknown dark hairs, not the beaver hairs, will be analyzed. DNA if available, would reveal what kind of animal it was from. I suspect it was from Michael Helgoth's wolf dog pup brought to "surprise" JonBenet.
Keep up your posts and inquiries as much as you can. Thanks.
The fact the writer said you better get rest is absurd, no kidnapping, just murder.
I totally agree that all the evidence points to Patsy. I have been saying this for years. Thank you!!! ❤
You’re welcome. See also episode 2 and 3. It all ties together. And especially when we realize it was not an intentional death.
It's just another good example of extremely poor, no, egregious CSI performances. It was right in front of the first responder officers, right there, and they either didn't want to believe it or they were just plain stupid. It's probably the latter. Mom and Dad were probably in on it. Dad probably got a little too frisky with Jon Benet, and she was probably going to talk, so.....Look at how Dad talks. Observe his body language. Observe Mom's while you're at it. Stupid cops. Terrible forensics. Did they check Dad for any fibers or hairs? Apparently not. Stupid.
@nbenefiel your words: “ you cannot believe everything on the internet” … and your comment multiple cuts on neck and hands is either fabricated by you or rehashed from the internet. So, …, “cite your source” (also your words). So much for 20 years experience in research. Google does not count as an FYI. it’s time.
I know this is old but check out Red Dragon Gnosis ..he expains it well.very interesting If you haven't seen it already.
It was just like mcCanns case. The dogs solved the case but money can buy anything, even innocence, supposedly.
Not like the McCann case! That was indeed an intruder -- a German pedophile.
Yup!!! Exactly!!
No Ransom note. Killing in a less comfortable (vacation) environment. No strange behavior afterward. Parents did not find the body. No body found. Yep. exactly the same. How would the McCanns have hidden the body where it was literally NEVER found, when there was so little time to do so, and in a place where they would not know, or have access to a reasonable hiding place. Your hypothesis is unsupportable and emotional.
Can you tell me about this ? I mean i know about this case but i don’t know about dogs
I think McCanns are Guilty. I don't think Patsy is guilty! Or Burke. I'm not sure about the Father
No doubt in my mind that Patsy wrote that note. Only question is which Ramsey killed poor Jonbenet. RIP, Jonbenet.
@handybunny There should be since many experts did not think she wrote the note. Furthermore, in science, there is always room for doubt as scientists will always look at any new information whether they think it is accurate or not. It is called keeping an "Open Mind."
A lot of people say Burke now-well at least he struck the blow & the rest was them if not her. Idk did you see a layout of their basement? Look at Dr Oz’s shows on JonBenet. Wow!!
Yeah it was Burke with the flashlight @@marielollini9763
Wealthy beauty queen socialite, wife, and mother dodges investigators for a sustained period of time, responding only through lawyers. This is not the behavior of an innocent party, regardless of the size of one's bank account. When Patsy finally condescends to speak, she consistently relates implausible, unbelievable stories of the demise of her daughter with a patronizing tone of voice and arrogant, imperious air about her.... To anyone with a functional BS detector, it was clear from the beginning there was no intruder.
I remind people who are unsure of intruder or not. The behavior tell us they were deflecting suspicions away from family. Without a kidnapping there would be no easy way to explain the body of their daughter. They would be suspects no 1 and 2. Burke was cleared early on.
@@markr.devereux3385. “Burke was cleared early on” may have been true. But all 3 of the Ramseys were cleared at one point. The question is were the detectives correct in clearing them? It was one of the Ramseys, and I don’t think Burke can be ruled out.
@marti220 the DA “cleared the Ramseys of suspicion”. Mary lace (the da) wrote this letter in 2008 upon her retirement. This was political. She has been protective of them since the start.
For many years I’ve believed it was “an inside job” and that the ransom letter was most certainly penned by Patsy.
I decided to listen to this video, on the alert for things I disagree with. I agree with you on all points, and particularly on all observations about that unrealistically long and dramatic ransom note. 👍
If you are so inclined, share with those who may be interested. Thank you for your comment.
Agreed, the other thing that got me was the oddly specific $ amount. It seems like that was just talked about and then while nervous writing the note, that was the first # that popped up and was used. Who else outside of his work and his wife would have known that amount? Marcel, first time here and very well done, the writing examples shows so much more than what I have known about this case, wow.
Yea the letter should have been enough to convict her. After finding the practice letters as well, it had to take over 30-40 min to do. Then the police allowed her friends there while they and the cops messed so many things up. Then the father was asked to take one more search from TOP to bottom of the house and the first room he chooses is downstairs where she was found. That was odd. Even if he wasn't involved and carried her up and took the restraints off her, the cop also moved her. DNA was screwed up. I was a couple years older than JonBonet and this has always haunted me on what people are capable of.
So you have long agreed with the hypothesis he is arguing for and ultimately ended up agreeing with him?
@@MrNickpeck36 You are right that that is certainly a very odd amount. You are also right in asking who but the Ramsey's would know that. The fact is that Linda Pugh, the housekeeper, and her husband Mervyn, had complete run of the Ramsey's house around Thanksgiving 1996. While the lucky Ramsey's were vacationing and Christmas shopping in NYC the Pugh's were toiling away in the Ramsey's house. They were washing windows, not a fun task in any season but especially uncomfortable in winter. Mervyn was supposed to fix the window that John had broken in the summer. And together they were to take the artificial trees up from the basement that Patsy liked to put in each room during Christmas time. They found those trees in the same basement room that was called a bit pretentiously, "The Wine Cellar Room," since there was no wine stored there and the floor was covered with a kind of fungus or mold that left footprints. There was also an in ground safe down there and the Pugh's were hurting for money. In fact, Linda asked Patsy for a loan of $2K just before the Ramsey's were going to head out for ANOTHER VACATION on December 26, 1996. This time they were going to visit John's adult kids and their friends in Charlevoix MI and then take Burke and Jonbenet on The Big Red Boat tour offered for kids and their families by Disney in Florida.
So you can bet Linda did some poking around while the Ramsey's were gone on vacation. She would have had little difficulty finding out the amount of his '95 Christmas bonus, $118K since it was on every check stub he had from '96. Like most people, the Ramsey's were very busy with work, school, church and JB's pageants. The left these stubs in drawers around the house since they were of no value. Showing that Linda knew a lot of things that only an INSIDER would know, she also saw a plaque in a basement closet which John got from serving in the Philippines when he was in the Navy. It was from Subic Bay and she probably assumed that it was called the Subic Bay Training Center (SBTC) but actually it was formally called the Naval Base Subic Bay. When she 'helpfully' told the police it was SBTC she was wrong.
She scoured the place for things to implicate the Ramsey's so she could get that safe opened up. She probably imagined the the $118 K would be "chicken feed" compared to what was in the safe. So, at the end of November Michael Helgoth, a Hell Raiser and former sniper with a too great fondness for little girls and a sadist told John Kenady that he had a "killer deal" lined up for around Christmas. He and a partner would each get about $50 - $60K. That adds up pretty close to that #118K. The reason they didn't want to make the ransom too high is because they wanted John to come to the basement safe to get the money without involving the police. The ransom note demanded that he not talk to the police and also said JB could be returned earlier if they paid sooner.
The Pugh's hatched the idea but they were too old to be able to jump out from hiding to subdue John after he opened the safe to carry out the plan. They needed muscle. Helgoth was an electrician and Mervyn a handyman so it is likely they would have know each other. They also needed someone to write the note. Linda had copies of Patsy's handwriting she told us in her "book" and she also knew Patsy's expressions and where she kept her note pads and pens. In fact, she had helped herself to them as the police discovered when they went to her house the same day as the murder. Besides Linda was not that great at composing letters so they needed outside help. She knew Santa Bill a professor of journalism at the U of Colo and she knew how found he was of little JB. There were probably rumors about how his own daughter and a friend had been kidnapped the day after Christmas 22 days earlier. She probably thought it odd that only the friend, not Santa's daughter, was sexually molested. Details of this are not available on the internet to my knowledge.
But guess who Santa knew. He was the faculty adviser to a Chris Wolf who had written and said some pretty bad things about John Ramsey. Being old and not in good health Santa could not take an active part but he could set JB up and she was set up. Someone told JB Santa would be coming AFTER Christmas. She told her friend Meghan's mother that and Det. Trip DeMuth said he found a card in JB's trash that also said that. What better way to get a sleepy child, just awakened, to go with a stranger than to pose as Santa Claus.?
There was a Santa Suit found in the basement and listed on the evidence warrant. Coincidentally, Michael Helgoth had a video clip of a young girl wakened up by Santa and on the same reel he had a clip of his girlfriend's little daughter. The girlfriend had come home and found him under the covers naked with the daughter on the bed. Another clip he had was of the LIVE TV broadcast of the news that a little girl had been found strangled and stuffed in a duffel bag near Boulder. Odd he had that clip copied at the same time as it came out in the news. He had been a sniper so he probably did have a duffel bag. In February he would be found dead obviously murdered but the hapless BPD claimed it was a suicide. I can give you details as to why it was a murder and not a suicide if you wish.
Look up Real Crime: Who Killed the Pageant Queen Part II if you want to see the details about Helgoth.
There is amazing insight into Patsy's character and frame of mind in the short novel "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie". In this book, there is reference to a special dessert of pineapple & cream, the word "Attache" is included, and the word "possession" is intentionally misspelled, just like in the ransom note. Patsy was obsessed with this book and used it to win the title of Miss West Virginia.
Oh?? That is news to me. Thank you for sharing that.
@@MarcelElfersyyes, many Brodie references in the note
Interesting. I'll have to give Miss Brodie a read.
@@bellagrace9812 There is a good movie also. I think it came out in 1968 and it stars Maggie Smith.
Rest in powerful peace 🙏
JonBenet Patricia Ramsey
6 August 1990 ~
Christmastime 1996⚘
We don't even know if the letter was ever on the stairs, that was Patsy's claim. no pictures. the fact that Patsy had the same clothes on the next morning indicates she did not go to bed. when the police made their video, patsy's side of the bed was still made up.
@mikeyknows1587 John Fernie saw the ransom note there looking through the back door's window.
Patsy was leaving on a private plane and no one would be seeing her who had seen her in the party. After a trip, of course, she'd change clothes. She needed to economize on time in order to get her kids and herself ready for the trip.
How do you know Patsy did not put the covers back in place when she got up? I haven 't seen the photo you are talking about so I don't know if it has a chain of evidence that is unbroken.
@@vernonfrance2974 who the hell is John Fernie and why was he looking thru the window in the middle of the night. your whole paragraph doesn't make sense. the video the police took that morning shows patsy's side of the bed untouched. someone in that house killed this little girl. there was no way someone came in thru a basement window when there were Cobwebs untouched across the bottom of it. as wealthy as they are she would not have put back on the same clothes. she would have been in a nightgown. Also explain the pineapple that was in her stomach and the bowl on the table when they said she was asleep when they got home, and john put her to bed himself. a lot of the story does not add up. the ransom note says specifically to not call the cops. this was the first thing she did. also, the 10 am phone call, no one was sitting by the phone waiting for the most important part of the note.
Let’s keep in mind that aesthetics meant everything to Patsy. She loved being “elevated,” and from her elevated perch she loved to reach out below her “station” to the ‘less fortunate.’ She wanted to be admired and esteemed, but mostly she wanted to be “where the air is rare.” She enjoyed her status and enjoyed being looked up to.
She needed to be envied
Minnie, if you do not know the Enneagram, you may not know how on point you are. Patsy was a 2w3 (whereas John a 3, probably with a 4 wing). Regardless, your observation is sound from a psychology angle. Excellent points.
@@MarcelElfers Thank you. Just the observations of an old lady.
@@minnietrout814 age and wisdom often go hand-in-hand. ;)
@@MarcelElfers😅
I think this comment needs its own statement analysis. ✍️ 👀
Yeah, I’ve thought for a long time the parents knew the older brother did it and not wanting to lose him, too, John concocted the ransom demand and had Patsy write the letter, designating the $118,000 to make it look like someone with that knowledge had a grudge against John.
Thank you Marcel, I've agreed with you on all points for years now. Patsy loved her role as a corporate wife, and wouldn't have wanted anything or any deed to interfere with that.
@@nbenefiel It was an accident, then a coverup not to enhance social status but to hold on to it.
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@nbenefiel Patsy Ramsey was a likely s3>< @buse survivor and beauty pageant queen with a severe untreated mental illness and likely multiple personality disorder. Look at JBRs pageant photos and videos. She was literally a living "doll", a creation of Patsy Ramsey. Patsy wanted OUT of COLO big time and she wanted to go back to ATL, to the South.
JBR was an unwitting sacrifice.
There had been prior abuse of the child. I believe the bed wetting could be a cause. Patsy was ambidextrous.
The multiple personality disorder explains some of the linguistic issues in the ransom note.
@@paulinebuckles2310 whats the accident?
Totally intriguing analysis of the ransom note. Many others have always believed Patsy wrote it; the main giveaway being the "kidnapper's" precise knowledge of the bonus John had earned instead of a vague ransom figure being demanded.
Watching Patsy's reaction to being asked during a television interview some years later if she had been responsible for JonBenet's death there was something about her denial which didn't ring true. To me, there was no natural maternal upset at being reminded of her daughter's murder, she denied any involvement enhancing her reply with unnecessary information about why she wouldn't have even considered killing her daughter.
It's sad that JonBenet is unlikely ever to get justice but I can't help wondering why the local police screwed up so badly.
Yes. The Larry king interview in which she said, “the author of the note is the killer” and said it with conviction. Also, when she was told by Steve Thomas she should have been charged, she said, “ I wish I was and it would’ve been a fair trial and you would’ve found your Waterloo” and immediately looked down for half a second. She could no longer face him. She probably realized in that moment it would or could be her Waterloo.
Obviously the ransom note is given to police to deflect suspicion away from the family. It follows then that the 911 call was staged and badly acted. Boy they were weaving themselves a web of lies and it hard to keep the story straight. So they lawyered up left Boulder and stalled the investigation. I have a suspicion who it was and it fits all the evidence. Who is ruled out ? A family friend because they wouldn't leave a mess for John to clean up and no evidence seems to incriminate any partyers present on that Christmas eve. An intruder seems out of the question. It is a family member maybe not the parents but John has other children he's fathered.
@@MarcelElfers Whether or not one believes that Patsy Ramsey assaulted and murdered her own daughter, it's fair to say that she never came across to the media as anything but uptight, defensive and sometimes downright belligerent. Unfortunately for Patsy, her multimedia presence became her own Waterloo. She was either being given terrible advice by her media consultant (or deliberately ignoring potential GOOD advice), or, like Richard Nixon, Patsy's seemingly endless neuroses got in the way of the public persona she tried so hard to construct. Even as one feels sorry for the Ramsey's family's horrific loss, an attentive viewer will NEVER feel sorry for Patsy. Simply put, although there are many surprising--even shocking--ways a grieving mother may feel, Patsy Ramsey's way was not one of those.
P.S. By the way, Patsy's public behavior was NOT that of a poised and thoughtful former beauty queen who knows how to mask a bad case of nerves. She couldn't last two minutes without yelling at a reporter.
@maxalberts2003 had to be doped up in most interviews. John sitting there stoic. I don't see either parent doing such damage to the girl in their own home unless there is something so shameful that they decided to coverup the murder and John buy his way out and it worked not very well but it worked.
The information you present in your videos is fascinating. Thank you, Marcel.
Yes, Patsy wrote the note however Burke accidentally killed his sister with a heavy flashlight. They set up the scene to save their son.
I've always thought that, too. He hated JonBenet and his anger went too far. That long note is something a woman would concoct...the lettering, the excarnation points, the fancy language Patsy like to use...it all points to her writing the letter with alittle input from John.
@pinkfreud62 pink freud. Ha ha. Brilliant.
This explanation is what I have believed to be true for years! Patsy was very much involved!
My thoughts exactly!
Agree. They decided they didn't want to lose Burke, so they penned the letter & came up with a story.
They never went to prison because they never once spoke to police without a lawyer present.
Yet they MADE A PLEA DEAL!!
The RAMSEYS PLEAD OUT!!!
Interesting. It has always been my opinion there was an accident and the part that doesn’t fit is the treatment of Jon Bene’s body. How could a parent sexually mutilate their child’s body?
ALL THE PEOPLE WHO THINK THE RAMSEY'S ARE INNOCENT NEED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree its ridiculous for an intruder to murder a child in their own home then hang around to write a long rambling ransom note. Patsy or John killed Jon Benet and they got away with it. I think a lot of caregivers get away with murder because noone wants to believe a parent would kill their child. I also think the beauty pageant stuff was creepy.
@darwinstith6663 Horrible things done to JB and none of the Ramsey's had ever been known to be violent or cruel. It would not only be out of character for the Ramsey's but totally illogical. If they had done it, why leave her body there to be found instead of dumping it somewhere? Why use the amount of John's bonus as their ransom demand when they would have known it never was going to have to be paid anyway? They could have made the amount a more realistic fee, like $1,000,000.
Why did John admit he broke the basement window? It would make a perfect ploy to say it was the route of entry.
Why did the turn over the pad that the perp had copied the Ransom Note on to the police which John did that very first day? They could have disposed of it and given them other samples of their handwriting.
*Dr. Ann Botash, expert on pediatric sexual abuse, and advocate for abused children, found no evidence of prior sexual abuse. www.dailymotion.com/video/x5x3wx4 www.jameson245.com/doc1of2.htm
* BPD: Many months of investigation into possible sexual abuse, according to one law enforcement official, had yielded zero - "Friggin' Zero!"
The looked through every book, tape recording and VHF tape and found nothing related to sex or pornography.
@@nbenefiel "The evidence" in your private Universe, perhaps?
@@nbenefiel Try as I might, I simply cannot understand any kind of sane (if evil) motive for some outsider to DELIBERATELY TARGET PATSY BY KILLING HER DAUGHTER. Who do you suggest? Some disgruntled pageant mom? John's secret, jealous mistress? The HOUSEKEEPER????? Really????? Just to rob a safe????? A psychotic torture killing just to rob a SAFE????? For a quarter mil? A child's life for a quarter mil? People, particularly comfortable respectable middle class people, simply do not think that way.
Why the hell would the parents write a random note when they know the body will be found in the basement??
The note makes no sense no matter who wrote it
@@ransakreject5221 So.true 🤣🤣
I always thought the so called ransom note was suspicious. Leaving the note and the body in the house just didn't make sense.
Your explanation through your professional knowledge, is right on. I have read books on handwriting analysis. They are interesting. Having you teach on the topic brings forth a depth that exposes so much more! Thank you.
Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to share.
I always thought it’s incredibly unlikely that someone would try to get a ransom when they don’t even have the victim. Sure you could lie and say you have someone in hopes of an easy payday perhaps but would you do this knowing the body is in the victims house and will soon be discovered ? It’s as simple as once the body is found you’re not getting whatever money you asked for. Nobody thought they were going to collect any money the ransom note was staged.
@jf2849 At the Wolf v Ramsey Libel Trial six expert graphologists found it unlikely that Patsy wrote the letter. On a scale of one to five, with five being the least likely she came out as a 4.5. And these included graphologists hired by the CBI. One of them even thought Wolf was the more likely to have written it.
The Ransom note has indications that it would have been illogical for the Ramsey's to have written it.
*Why would the use an amount that only they would be expected to know ($118K) was the amount on John's Christmas bonus of 1995. It was on every check stub but only Linda Pugh would have had access to those stubs except for the Ramsey's.
*If they had written Ransom Note they would have known they'd never have had to pay it so they could have made it for a more believable sum, like a million dollars.
* Why would they used the very same pad with a pen just like the one they kept by their phone if they were the ones writing the note? They would not have been that stupid.
It's just another good example of extremely poor, no, egregious CSI performances. It was right in front of the first responder officers, right there, and they either didn't want to believe it or they were just plain stupid. It's probably the latter. Mom and Dad were probably in on it. Dad probably got a little too frisky with Jon Benet, and she was probably going to talk, so.....Look at how Dad talks. Observe his body language. Observe Mom's while you're at it. Stupid cops. Terrible forensics. Did they check Dad for any fibers or hairs? Apparently not. Stupid.
@@nbenefiel well yeah this is exactly why there was no kidnapper. The Ramsey’s were almost certainly involved.
@@vernonfrance2974 For fair context, it should be noted that 2 of the graphologists were hired and paid for by the Ramseys, and even they could not rule Patsy out as the writer. The experts that had worked on the case with LE and the CBI could not rule her out either, and two stated it was probable that she did write the note. I think it is more illogical to think that an intruder wrote the note. It makes no sense that someone who has broken in to the house would take that amount of time to write a lengthy ransom note and risk being found in the house. Additionally, after the death of the child, there are only two scenarios that make any sense if it were an intruder. The intruder flees the scene of the crime because the kidnap victim is dead. Or, the intruder takes the body from the scene so as to make the parents believe it was a kidnapping and not a murder. There would still be hope of getting the money. But for an intruder to leave the dead body AND a rambling ransom note that they took the time to write makes zero sense to me. I believe that whatever happened to JonBenet that night was an accident. The Ramseys made the decision to cover it up. But they are not familiar with covering up the scene of a crime and a death, and they were also most likely in a state of panic. They did the best they could which has turned out to be pretty effective, but they made mistakes along the way. Which is why so many are convinced that someone in the family is responsible. Why use a pad and pen from the home? Because it was convenient. The mistake was not to dispose of those items amongst the other items that were disposed of. I think it's an assumption that Linda Pugh would have had access to John's check stubs. I would imagine that someone like John Ramsey would have kept those under lock and key.
Patsy worked for John at Access Graphics at one point, so she knew the amount of his bonus.
yes, ..., and I think the reason why that amount was asked, was ease of access if they had to follow through.
Don Wanderley, The reason for the amount was to let the BPD think it was someone that worked for John,
@@MarcelElfers it was to point the finger at someone at John's job.
@@MarcelElfers Exactly. That money was direct deposit into his bank account...
Easy access...
Money wouldnt be "Marked"...
@@freddie3206 The reason for the amount is that the intruders, with help from the housekeeper, wanted it to point to the Ramsey's. But it does not make sense that the Ramsey's would not have placed a much higher demand if they had written the note. They would have known they were never going to have to pay it. Moreover, the notepad and pen would not have been left in its usual place and they would have replaced the one they used with a new one which they had available.
The housekeeper had identical pads of paper and pens found at her home the very first day by the BPD. She ended up changing her story about a lot of things which is a good sign of untruthfulness.
She had full run of the house at Thanksgiving while the Ramsey's were in NYC Christmas shopping. John had check stubs from '96 in drawers and they all had the amount of the '95 bonus on them.
Linda Pugh changed her story about how Patsy reacted to JB's bed wetting, about Burke's knife, about the broken window. She knew where JB's clothes were washed, where the room was with the hidden safe, the Ramsey's schedule and the fact that the dog was going to be with the neighbors during the Ramsey's trip to Michigan and then to take a cruise with the small kids on Disney's Big Red Boat in Florida. She had a key and by claiming she needed a loan from Patsy but said she couldn't pick it up she had an alibi for not coming in before the Ramsey's went on their trip. But if she were really worried about her sister evicting her for back rent she would not have waited to come get the $2K that Patsy agreed to.
She claimed that feces were smeared on a box of Christmas candy but since she wasn't in the house after the 23rd how would she know?
She bragged about how well she knew Patsy's expressions and handwriting and that she even had many copies of Patsy's handwriting from the assignments that Patsy would write out for her each day she came.
At first she said Patsy did not make a big deal about bed wetting but in her Chapter she claimed she "many times" saw Patsy take JB to the bathroom, shut the door and then hear JB scream. If this were true she would have told Lawrence Schiller that for his book but instead she claimed Patsy was the nicest, sweetest person.
When people radically change their stories they are lying. Why they would want to lie is generally because of guilt.
I believe that she was being abused by John and others and killing JBR was her way of stopping it. It really speaks to the culture of “keep problems hush hush”
Possible. But plausible?
I wonder if you are familiar with dr Andrew G Hodges’ work. He came to similar conclusions. He thinks Patsy hit the girl to somehow punish John for betraying her, as she saw her own daugther as a rival at this particular moment.
Personally I think it was an accident, however according to the evidence as well as statement analysis there unfortunately must have been SA going on.
This I think stopped John from calling for help as they could not explain the marks on JBs body to the doctors. In order to confide and cover theyboth had had some involvement in the tragedy and both didn’t want this matter to come out.
What would you say?
I don' think, she wanted to stop the abuse, but maybe was envious. She sound like a very narcissitic person.
Mine &, several law enforcement official I knew, felt Patsy had come across John( & possibly someone else) molesting JonBenet. She picked up the baseball bat to club John (or other person) over the head accidently hitting her daughter. JonBenet struggled strangling herself with the garotte. That's why they couldn't determine what actually caused her death. Having killed their daughter they proceeded to wipe all traces of DNA from her body, clothes & everything. I figured they wanted to get the body out of the house & tried the kidnapping idea but something fell though. Her body was probably hidden in the suitcase. Then they called 911, a bunch of friends to leave DNA & clean up. Later John disappeared moving the body where he could later " discover it". The house was so large that Burke could have slept through everything. He probably still doesn't know what happened. I knew pretty much everyone involved in this case. We had Christmas Eve dinner with the police chief at My in-laws house. My mother-in-law was second in command of the Boulder police. My best friend's brother was the City attorney. My son(12( & daughter( same age as Burke) knew the children. We went to the same church. My older daughter was good friends with Alex Hunter's daughter, and My husband's band played for Alex's birthday. I also knew several medical people involved in the autopsy.
@AllisonLansberry JonBenét struggles and garrotes herself? Really?
the ransom note contains sentences taken from a book photographed on the Ramseys bedside table.
the Ramseys got away with murder because they had connections. For everyone who longed for Justice to be done, people like Mr Elfers are medicinal. To have someone demonstrate the obvious problems with Ramsey Version gives us all a little peace.
Burke said "I KNOW what happened!" to a counselor.
All he meant was what we only know what happened. She was choked unconcious an coroner said baseball bat found outside basement area is the 8 inch skull crack which coroner believed finished her off. He said she was choked he never mentioned who he saw do it. That's what I've heard from resarchers believe what he said an meant to bekieve
Something interesting. The kidnapper wrote the letter “a” with a cap. Many places in the U.S., by the time Patsy entered school, stopped teaching this style but not in Parkersburg, W. Va. which taught this well into the 70’s to elementary school students. This is where Patsy went to school as much of my family did and they women in particular wrote their “a’s” this way. John did not. And if you think it easy to imitate when you have not written that letter this way most of your life it is not. Your instinct is to make and uncapped letter and then attach a cap to it, realizing afterward and none of the handwriting analysis shows a post script cap, added but one
Oh! I didn’t know that. That is interesting and why she used it in the ransom note
Very interesting
The cobweb is covered in dust. Its been there a long time. The obvious simple answer is someone in the house did it. Only mystery to me is what one of the 3 did it.
Burke had said that the night she died that he snuck down stairs to play with his toys. Also the last thing Jon Benet ate was pineapple even though the mom said she fell asleep in the car and they put her right to bed. The pineapple can was open in the kitchen with Burke's and his mother's finger prints on the can. I think that Burke went down stairs like he said and I think Jon Bonet also went down stairs. I think Burke opened the pineapple and they both had some. I think she did something that made him mad and he hit her in the head with a hammer. There was a hammer in evidence. He has hit her before with objects and has smeared poo on her stuff. He was jealous of her. I think the parents felt they had to save Burke and made the kidnapping up. If you look at the videos with the integrator just after her death you will see and here a kid who didn't have a problem in the world why because he was now getting all the attention now that she was gone. No sadness, no guilt nothing. I also think this is why Burke has been kept in basic hiding and see very few people.
I am 54, so I was in my 20's in the 90's. While I remember the case, I never followed it or payed attention to the details. This is a very good analysis. I went and ordered the book based off the enneagram discussion.
I believe John is still covering up for Patsy to keep the Ramseys "good" name. Even tho its already has been tarnished.
Agreed.
@@nbenefiel what has he done to find the killer? He spent his money on attorneys to keep him and Patsy out of jail.
The ransom note was written with misleading evidence. Or an attempt to mislead. Why would a kidnapper point to themselves in such nonsense.
That is a good question and it took me a long time why the rambling ransom note was written in the first place. I think it’s fairly easy to explain. Her demise was an accident and both parents are in the grieving stage (denial, anger), panicked, and cannot think straight. They didn’t know what to do, are highly anxious, and, in this state of mind, had to negotiate with each other how to move forward. The coercion in the note shows John was not on board but he felt compelled or handwriting would have been ousted for something nefarious. And so, the rambling note came to be.
@@MarcelElfersThe sheer range of emotions, questionable comments, and passive aggressive attitude revealed in the ransome letter, in of itself indicates the author as someone deeply and dearly connected to the victim of this tragedy, just so sad.
@@nbenefieland get rid of the child’s underwear and put on other underwear that’s way too big. And the paint brush in her private. Poor baby was tortured and more than likely had been at some degree (bed wetting).
The best explanations I've heard...very well done! I know it's controversial but I continue to believe Burke accidentally harmed her and the parents took over to protect him. Just my opinion.
I agree. Your post is 11 months old. I am late to the thread. I agree with you 💯. This has been my theory from the beginning. Everyone says the boy was too young. I wonder if anyone watched the videos of him at his official interview or at the funeral service. That was very interesting. I believe the parents covered for him.
The length of the note correlates with the fact that Patsy studied Journalism in college.
That wasn’t simply a “note”.
It was an essay!
Bingo! It’s more a letter and a directive aimed at John than a note. Her degree in journalism shines through indeed.
6:24 This is the main point I get hung up on -- why would an intruder leave a ransom note and then leave the body? I believe the Ramseys have not told us everything and now we will never know. RIP JonBenet
@jimsim777 The scenario was like this: they wanted John to come down to get the very small ransom amount out of the safe which was in the same room where the body of JB was found. When Patsy called 9-1-1 instead of paying the ransom, they knew the kidnapping would not be consumated with cash and valuables from the safe so they bashed JB with a metal bat which was later found outside with fibers from the basement rug on it. They threw it down there when they ran out leaving the door ajar. A neighbor reported hearing a clanging sound around 6:00 just before the police arrived. Scent dogs would have unraveled this right away but the BPD did not have the sense to bring them in even though they did discuss it. Contrary to the myth there was no snow back there and it was still dark.
@@vernonfrance2974 I have not heard mention of a safe being in the room where she was found nor have I heard about a bat being recovered. Where did you hear about those things?
Your scenario is interesting and not something I thought of before. I don't believe an intruder would have stayed in the house during the kidnapping. I don't see any purpose that would serve. it would be very risky to stay in the house. There is evidence to support the intruder theory but I believe Patsy wrote the ransom note which implicates the Ramseys.
@@vernonfrance2974Really? So there is incontrovertible evidence the safe contained $100,000.00 in cash? And how would the kidnappers know that if in fact, the money was in the safe?
You really simplify detailed connections between Patsy's handwriting and the RN. I greatly appreciate that. At the same time, you are able to give a view from 1000 feet. I feel much more in favor of the idea that PDI and possibly BDI now.
Thank you 🙏
your're a genius - I wish this all came out back then.
That ransom note phrase " don't try to grow a brain John" sounds like Patsy speaking to John. Also there's something odd about using your child -in the beauty pageants- to get satisfaction and/or recognition for the mother.
How did you get the score through? How fun is that?!
@@nbenefiel True. Each kid has two parents and if, let's say there were a mere two thousand kids, that'd be four thousand parents. Statistics show approximately 2 to 4 percent of the population are psychopaths and/ or sociopaths. Out of those a smaller percentage could actually kill others. Even with a low number of two thousand kids - I'm sure there are more- that'd mean there's a possiblity of at least 20 to 40 of psychos out there floating around. How's that grab you? Patsy Ramsey was one. She wrote the ransom note.
I think having the dots and coma in 'E.T.C.,' and 'F.B.I.,' as well as the coma after 'Ramsey,' and after 'if you want her to see 1997,' are all particular characteristics. Also, the dot after the Mr., and the dash in pick-up. These are indicative of a well educated person and definitely not a 'foreign' faction if their first language is not English. Also in an interview, John used the words 'proper burial' when talking about JonBenét which caught my attention. I have a master's degree in literature and I have never used the excess of dots used in the note - they are the correct ways of writing, show an educated person, and, as I believe, are a particular characteristic of the way this person writes. They stood out to me, anyway!
Excellent point. They are written fast and habitual suggesting educated.
You have a master's degree yet you have mis-spelt "comma"?
@MissJensk1 look at the name "Sequin" ... "comma" is spelled "coma" in Spanish suggesting English is her or his second language. From that perspective, I am pretty pleased.
@@MissJensk1 Anyone can hit a wrong letter typing. You sound pissed because he told us the truth. Most people knew it was an inside job and that Patsy wrote the RN. You could very easily tell during their interviews that they were both liars. We don't know for sure who did the killing or the staging,
@MarcelElfers you have presented some serious good information. I think we can just agree about the notes author. The handwriting analyst found 200 markers and the note was long enough to give an expert plenty of content to give a strong match.
I am 53, so I was in my 20's in the 90's and clearly remember this case, along with OJ, Menendez, etc. The 90's were CRAZY and memorable, to say the least. I always wanted to know the results and when Gary Oliva was looked at I felt a sense of relief, but after seeing your 3 part series I am CONVINCED you are correct. It's so tragic, and needless, especially if she was terminally ill with cancer, but that speaks to the narcissist in Patsy. EDIT 22:05 : Oh, "Mr Ramsey COMMA" the comma was a form of respect.
@@nbenefiel I agree that I can't imagine the garot, but in my opinion after seeing this, she had to be heavily involved and it was maybe an accident.
Funny. I am 54 and I remember the case. But I never followed the details.
@@nbenefielDid you know & talk to Patsy Ramsey?
@@nbenefiel Many others "know the evidence" as well. Your opinion is not superior or free of bias. You are extremely invested in lashing out at those who present their own pragmatic deductions as if you have some kind of inside scoop.
I also found it interesting that the writer of the letter, being Patsy, (no stranger would know where you put your own notepad & pen in your own house) also put accents on certain words in the letter, which not only indicates higher education level.....but it is the same thing she did to her only daughters name, JonBenet!
This was an excellent analysis and I actually had the same exact theory!
If Patsy had been a prior victim of abuse as a child herself, she would have developed the coping mechanism to shut off reality. You can hear this in 911 call extended version at the end, which was an extreme difference in tone/manner.
Excellent work!
Thank you. I didn’t think of the accents matching JonBenét …
Yeah well I'm only a dumb Australian but its as simple as the 911 call , Patsy says upon the operator answering.........YES WE NEED AN AM,,,POLICE. Freudian slip. Nearly said Ambulance. 😂
@nursedaniel72. Yes I picked up on that too, this is speculation on my part, because calling an ambulance would have been their first action to take, but they abandoned it?
Not dumb in the slightest. Good catch.
I never caught that.
I've always thought the change from "Mr Ramsey" to "John" in the same note was very odd.
Yes. From official to personal. Does not make sense.
Marcel Elfers
Your take on from from official to personal is 100% incorrect and I am
not sure why people can not grasp why it was changed as it seems very simple to me.
What it did do was give JR control over the situation and in charge of decision making , that is why it was scrapped and rewritten to ONLY himself.
Patsy wrote the note. John has been excluded as the author. He may have contributed in idea/word selection. He did not do the actual writing. And if he contributed furthers the idea they were both involved as I propose.
The word bussiness is misspelled in the note.
""Mr. Ramsey, Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. We xx respect your bussiness. but not the country that it serves."
It is business not bussiness. That is a clue in itself. They should have gotten Patsy and John to write a short paragraph with the word business in it a couple times to see if they misspell it. There are other words in that note that they could have easily misspelled but they got them right. This is a quirk that this particular person has where they always misspell the word business "bussiness"
Also, they used periods (F.B.I.) after the letters in FBI. Notice how they use them in S.B.T.C. at the end. I bet they would write CIA C.I.A. this is a spelling quirk they use over and over.
Very good points! Especially the editing of letters after initial writing. Very telling indeed.
Without that letter and ransom ruse everyone would have believed someone came into the house and done this to little Jon benet.
It is this letter that has always caused the discord.
Great analysis. Thank you
@sparksie7906 The ransom note is an indication that it was written by someone who had access to Insider information. Linda Pugh, the Housekeeper had the exact pens and pads of paper as Patsy's found in her house by the police the very first day.
Chris Wolf's handwriting and knowledge of movies plus his hatred of John and his statement that men would want to have sex with JB all point to Wolf. He did not cooperate with the police and had to be shackled but they still did not re-interview him for 13 months, until February 1998.
He and Pugh both knew Santa Bill. Santa Bill's own daughter had been kidnapped along with a friend, also the day after Christmas years earlier.
00. 1996-12-24: The day before Christmas, JonBenet was at Megan's house playing (PMPT Pg50sb) and she told Meghan's mother that Santa was coming After Christmas.
00. 1996-12-24: JBR: "Santa Claus promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas" (PMPT Pg50sb)
00. 1996-12-24: JonBenet insisted. "He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret." (PMPT Pg50sb)
www.acandyrose.com/s-neighbors-barbara-kostanick.htm
"Bill McReynolds, who’d been the Santa at the Ramseys’ Christmas party, got up to talk. He told us that JonBenét had given him fairy dust for his beard. He rambled and he was almost incoherent. He was so strange that some of us were uncomfortable." Schiller "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town"
I don't think McReynolds did it but I think he may have given advice to two who did. He knew both Linda Pugh and Chris Wolf. His own daughter had been "kidnapped" allegedly two decades earlier to the day. Also a friend of hers was kidnaped and the only one who was sexually molested. HMMMM! Santa Bill was so enamored of JB that he wanted the gold dust she gave him mixed with his ashes when he died.
00. 1996-12-24: The day before Christmas, JonBenet was at Megan's house playing (PMPT Pg50sb)
00. 1996-12-24: JBR: "Santa Claus promised that he would make a secret visit after Christmas" (PMPT Pg50sb)
00. 1996-12-24: JonBenet insisted. "He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret." (PMPT Pg50sb)
www.acandyrose.com/s-neighbors-barbara-kostanick.htm
Bill McReynolds www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/santa-and-the-housekeeper-the-forgotten-jonbenet-suspects/news-story/c921605802d5086911a1a34780225a4d
"Family friends said Mr McReynolds, who died in 2002, “struck up a friendship” with JonBenet, and he allegedly handed the pageant queen a note found in her bin saying she would “receive a special gift after Christmas.” One particularly bizarre detail is that Mr McReynolds and his wife Janet were involved in a remarkably similar incident 22 years earlier, when their daughter was abducted on Boxing Day 1974 and saw a friend being sexually assaulted. Mrs McReynolds wrote a bizarre play in 1978 based on the real-life murder of an Indianapolis 16-year-old, who was molested and tortured before her body was left in a basement. Her husband adored JonBenet, who had given him vials of gold glitter that he took with him when he had heart surgery. He described her as “pensive, almost retiring,” to the Denver Post. “I felt very close to that little girl,” he said. “I don’t really have other children that I have this special relationship with - not even my own children or my own grandchildren ... “When I die, I’m going to be cremated. I’ve asked my wife to mix the star dust JonBenet gave me with my ashes. We’re going to go up behind the cabin here and have it blow away in the wind.” The couple provided hair and handwriting samples to police, but were never formally linked to the murder. After speculation over their possible involvement in the case, they quietly moved to Cape Cod."
That style of flashlight helps explain greatly why Patsy accidently killed JonBenet. It's heavy (especially when loaded with batteries) and long. When Patsy swung it towards the back of JonBenet's head as a gesture of frustration, she underestimated the strength required to stop it and she struck her and killed her.
You can see this in Patsy in so many interviews. She's got a short fuse and she flails her hands and arms to express herself. I can see it happening in my head. Patsy was tired, she does so much for JonBenet, and the girl pops off while eating the food Patsy just prepared. Bam!
They proved the murder weapon was a baseball bat found outside the basement window, probably thrown out after the murder
Right. Many people don’t understand that Jon Benet would only eat fresh pineapple, not canned. The pineapple left in the bowl was fresh cut. So, it’s possible Patsy cut up some fresh pineapple after they got home, or served leftover pineapple from the cut glass bowl.
The evidence does not support your theory. Food she prepared?you mean pineapple dumped out of a can?
@@isabellavalencia8026 Investigators perfectly aligned the edge of the flashlight with her skull fracture. Facts are stubborn things.
@@NickCager You misunderstood, yes she was hit in the head with a flashlight but that is NOT what killed her. She was strangled to death with the guillotine made from the broken paintbrush from Patsy's artist kit and a wire
Someone in the house had molested JBR such that her autopsy disclosed injuries inflicted days to a week before her death. Whoever set up the coverup of JBR’s accidental death was trying to make it appear as a sexually motivated murder to cover up the signs of prior abuse that would be revealed upon JBR’s autopsy. It seems John’s first impulse was to try to flee by his private plane, perhaps planning to take JBR’s body in the suitcase. But once the decision was made to call 911 it was necessary to ensure that JBR was not discovered to have been a sex abuse victim for some time prior to her death. Not understanding that science cannot be fooled between injuries inflicted at or near the hour of death as compared to injuries that are older by days or up to a week.
The fact that the letter "a" was later corrected to put the hood on it afterwards is very telling. Why would a genuine kidnapper bother doing such a thing? It makes no sense at all - unless it was someone who was trying to disguise their normal handwriting.
Here's another question. Why would a genuine kidnapper not actually kidnap her? Are we to believe that this person, or persons decided at some point, "hey, let's tie her up and sexually abuse her while we're still here!" Any authentic kidnappers would have quickly taken her and left the premises. Spending such an inordinate amount of time at the crime scene makes zero sense. It only increases the risk of being caught in the act.
That person could have been Chris Wolf who had a motive which was a hatred of John Ramsey expressed both before and after the murder. He has handwriting very like the writing of the ransom note. In the opinion of one expert it was MORE like it than Patsy's was. His name is Lloyd Cunningham and he was one of the six graphologists who didn't think Patsy wrote the note who were quoted in the Wolf v Ramsey case.
@@vernonfrance2974 His DNA did not match crime scene DNA.
@vernonfrance2974 can you send me the handwriting sample you looked at that is strikingly similar to the ransom note author?
I couldn't believe the costumes that child wore I read that one of her dresses cost $750.00 there are so many pics of JB in such elaborate costumes and Patsy and John always said it was just for fun on a Sunday afternoon for parents and grandparents thats a lot of effort and money for just a casual Sunday afternoon
Thank you🙏
Justice for Jonbenet!
Thank you. I was watching the Prosecutor’s Podcast, which I loved on the Adnan Syed case (thought they nailed it), but I got into part 6 of their JBR series and couldn’t follow it anymore. They were explaining things away with things like “someone just forgot.” And things like that.
I'm so glad you brought up 9 Enneagram types because in the private school where I work we take our students' enneagram types into consideration to assist them better. They take tests and so did we and I'm a 5 wing 4.
The Enneagram is a very useful (and powerful) model. Thank you for recognizing that. And for teachers (and parents) a most important tool n
Most people come to the same conclusion. It's not so much the writing of the notes but the fact they exist at all. J R will keep talking because he knows no one will be found he needs to keep the narrative going.
John never went with Patsy to get treatment for her illness.
John liked Patsy when he met her because she was a quick liar.
John didn’t participate in anything with his family like reading to the kids. Yet he loves video taping Jon Benet.
The note mentioned a specific number that they could afford to lose if they had to drop it off
really ? he said he read to both kids before they went to sleep on the night the murder happened. I don't know that happened for a fact but I know it was told at one time - at another time they said she was asleep when they got home from the friends house .
Everything you say makes perfect sense! I never realized the basement window was as you said, I always believed someone came in it. Patsy could have been overly tense after the holidays. Who knows, and taken it out on her daughter!
I’ve worked in law enforcement for 14 years and I can tell you that domestic violence increases dramatically during the holidays.
@electsteveallen yes. I call Xmas “the great equalizer party”.
There were stunn gun marks on her. Would the family have a stun gun in the house acailable to use.
There were no stun gun marks. They’re were two marks but not from a stun gun. A stun pistol would have puncture marks and there were none. A handheld stun gun would show “wound travel” as the body is moving and shaking around. There was no wound travel. The stun gun was non existent and perpetuated by Lou Smit for whatever reason.
Why would JR support patsy in such deception? The loss of a second daughter, at the hands of his wife; mistake or not?
Patsy knew something nefarious about John and he was coerced into cooperation although he was not inclined to. The question is what? And that “what” must have been significant. They also found a dictionary opened with the page folded and the corner of the page pointing at the word "incest". I believe it is entirely possible Patsy walked in on JonBenét and John and she swung at him and hit the child accidentally with a force meant for an adult. Hence the coverup. Hence the lack of cooperation. Hence the use of tragedy. The rest is history. The truth will come out once John passed away. Somebody will have something written down.
@@MarcelElfers Wow, never did I think of this scenario. If so, it's totally possible and explanatory.
She walks in and sees him doing **** stuff with her 😱. Man I would have hit him hard / but he deflects and then you hit your child. Damn 😭
BTW, John is still alive?
exactly. And the reason I believe this to be close to the truth is her skull fracture. She was hit with a heavier object in the shape of a Maglite. The fracture shows she was hit -- from behind! And that virtually eliminates the Steve Thomas theory. He believed at that time in a bedwetting scenario and the mother lost control. An angry mother who lashed out at her daughter would more likely slap with an open hand while facing her. To hit a child willfully and deliberately with a heavy object from behind with the child not being able to see it coming is incomprehensible. That punishment would be way out of line especially for a mother like Patsy who, from all accounts, loved and cherished her daughter. The bedwetting - anger model does not make sense to me. (see my book "JonBenét; the final chapter" for the complete version and evidence)
The murderer was in the house, but it wasn't Patsy. She wrote the letter to cover up for her son.
That makes the most sense to me. Burke was eating the pineapple at the table and JonBenet snatched a piece or /2 and ate them. Burke was ticked and chased his sister through the house with the maglight. He catches her in the basement and whacks her hard over the head, fracturing her skull and knocking her out. He then takes a train track from his model train (which was set up in the basement) and pokes her in the back to test if she can come to. She doesn’t. The parents discover the horrible scene and make the decision to stage a crime scene. The adults did that but that’s the most shocking part: whoever staged that scene with the noose tight around the child’s neck and poking her in the vagina with the end of a paintbrush had to be really sick and twisted. The brutality of the crime is horrifying; how could a parent do this to a child? There’s a missing piece in this crime that would explain it, and the world doesn’t know that piece. It’s doubtful we’ll ever know.
So did Burk also strangle her? She died from the choking, not blunt force.
The ransom note is the key to solve this case.
Yes absolutely. As does the pineapple in bowl on table. Then found in JonBenet's stomach at autopsy. Someone was awake with JonBenet to feed her that. I believe that was right before whatever event transpired to cause JB to receive the massive head injury. Remember - that head trauma was closed - no bleeding. But I believe it caused JB to either die at that point or come close to it. Only way out was all steps after. Staged scene and ransom note. Both parents were in on that. After JB was struck - it was too late for them to call 911. They would have no explanation for head injury / comatose state or death.
This was very interesting! A different take on the similarities of the writings. Thank you for your dedication to detail!
It’s too complicated for them to arrange a kidnapping, just isn’t logical.
I agree with you 100%. Accident or not, the crime scene was plastered with evidence pointing more to patsy than anyone else involved/suspected in the crime. Whatever the need for a coverup, the Ramseys were protecting far more people than their own family here. Their wealth and power, combined with the amount of people willing to go along with the coverup, shows just how much was at stake here.
The Ramseys social circle was littered with people “likely” involved in nefarious activity, any of which stood the chance of being exposed.. whether or not they were involved in the crime.. and regardless if the Ramseys actually got arrested alot.. there were many reasons for people to offer their help or silence in order to avoid anything more coming to light.
John and patsy ramsey must have been anxious beyond belief knowing the truth behind what led up to that night and knowing they only had 1 chance to stage the crime scene and begin the coverup. Going back to the first 24 hours of the crime, what you address and discuss here makes more sense than anything else I’ve ever come across.
It takes a village to raise a child. Equally, it takes a village to cover up wrong doing
💯 percent correct
It was Petsi's House. I wonder who it could point to more than her?’🙈😅
Nonsense🥴
@@MarcelElfers what a lot of folks don't recognize is where this took place, and the culture in the state, and who does what for whom in that area.
Oh my gosh. Ive never seen it laid out so intelligently. I always thought these things- myself 100% with that almost comically ridiculous B-grade movie-villain letter and it being the notepad from the home and the pen etc, but I couldn’t have imagined it being so provable. And m certainly following you now
“Ridiculously B-grade movie-villain letter” ha ha ha. Isn’t that the truth! Thank you for your encouragement.
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I do believe Patsy wrote the fake Ransom note and not just because of her handwriting but because John defended the author of the fake Ransom note saying they probably did the best they could why would he defend the person who wrote The Letter assuming they killed his child know it was Patsy who wrote The Letter that's why he defended her
Thankyou Marcel excellent analysis as always. I always look forward to and enjoy your videos. I have always believed 100% patsy was the author of the "ransom" note. Off to watch part 2
Thank you TCA. Very much appreciate the encouragement.
This was fascinating to watch I never understood why there was doubt about her writing the note. Very unique handwriting to me and I am far from an expert but this was good explanation of the writing.
This is the most logical answer. I enjoyed your book too. Thank you.
thank you.
Totally in agreement. Thanks for the upload. 👍👍💖
I understand that thanks to this video, you have come to realize that the handwriting in these ransom letters closely resembles the writing habits of the woman. I find it curious that the ransom letter is unusually long, and personally, I find it strange that the paper used for the letter is from her bedroom.
The paper was from under her phone pad and was used to write her telephone messages. Linda Pugh had the same notepads she'd taken from the Ramsey's house found by the police at her home the very same day that Jonbenet had been found.
I agree!! Been saying all things point to Patsy, John may have helped cover it up
This case is so reminiscent of the Madeleine McCann case. The unbelievable -intruder- that didn't exist in both cases... In both cases a parent or both parents got away with murder or covering up an accident
Brilliant video thank you. I agree with your points.
Some bits of the random note stood out to me, such as 'I advise you not to provokethem'' - it seems to me that Patsy tells us in the note why she did what she did to Jonbenet, Jonbenet provoked her.
"Don't think that killing will be difficult" Patsy is telling us in the note that it was easier than she thought , doing what she did to Jonbenet.
These are two interesting observations. Projection may very well be at stake here.
Patsy was provoked. By whom is questionable. Good points.
Case solved. Great analysis!! I am certain you are spot on
Thank you.
Excellent breakdown of the evidence! Best analysis I’ve heard so far.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
the one dislike is John
I think she's covering for Burke.
But WHY did Patsy do it? Perhaps JonBenet didn’t like the pageants and would fight back? Maybe it was an accident and nobody wanted to take the blame.
I always thought it was Burke, and his motive was unmitigated jealousy. Makes the most sense to me. Then the parents wrote the letter and covered it all up.
I thought the same. Isn't Patsy dead now?
@@sheilabuchanan8619 yes
What I think:
1. Burke was molested and probably Jonbenet saw/witnessed something she shouldn't have seen.
2. Jonbenet was molested and said she would tell everything.
@@gaykolargol by who?
@@bkb04g This I don't know
The basement door was locked from the inside and they put a blanket in the dryer before she left that was a blanket that they use to cover her so how would an intruder know but there's a blanket in the dryer
Imo, Burke accidently killed JB with a blow to the head. Instead of calling 911 immediately, she chose to stage an intruder crime scene. She already lost a daughter; and didn't want to lose her son along with the social stigma.
you are absolutely right with everything.
Jennifer Naso a forensic document examiner recently examined the ransom note.
She said Patsy could have written the note and she also said someone else could have written it.
I am not convinced she did write it soz.
I am a forensic document examiner. Here are my findings.
ruclips.net/video/Vlb2YqvyfjU/видео.htmlsi=7r7w-8P9ZKYd86q7
Patsy was ambidextrous!
During an interview they were asked about the death penalty
John said absolutely but Patsy looked away and got very emotional.
She didn’t answer that question
Very telling
Thanks! Marcel
This is t he BEST analysis is the BEST I have EVER heard, wow! Stellar. Kimberly
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I believe the brother hit her in the head, but she didn’t d!e right away. She went to bed and then passed away. Then the crazy coverup started. I don’t think the brother even knew he was responsible. ThAt explains why the parents allowed him to be interrogated. And to this day, he still may be unaware he is responsible for her de@th. If John did it, we would see more hints of hostility towards John in interviews. And vice versa. The only motivation not to break would be to protect the son. Just my thought.
She didn' die bc of the blow, she died of asphyxation
Another thing. Why handwrite? If the Ramsey's wrote the note, using their computer, then printing it out would have left a time stamp somewhere within
the computer. And John being a computer guy would have known that. If They did it, it would have been time consuming to have cut out letters and paste from books. And also a trail would have been left behind with that method. The only recourse if they did write the letter was to hand write and attempt disguise the writing style. Would a former employee have written it and risked being identified by the writing, since it is clear from the note, the person(s) who wrote it had some intimate knowledge of their lives? An intruder just doesn't make sense. It all turns on the note. It is the lynch pin of evidence.
I never questioned “why handwrite” other than expediency. You make a good point re computer time stamp. (It’s how Dennis Radar (BTK) got caught).
you are one of the few that got this case 100% correct 👍
Thank you. I will leave as to what happened open. To me, this the the most logical explanation.
See Steve Thomas's book. He gets it all correct as well.
Wow what your saying makes the best sense I’ve heard yet
Just finished a new book, JonBenét Ramsey, the Great America Tragedy. It explains a lot about the case.
I always believed it was her father. Ridiculous to think it was an intruder with that crazy note
This is most informative,thank you.