The extra contrast at 4:40 in the prores clip is due to a levels issue where many NLE interpret prores as legal legal range instead of full when recording log. That is why the image is more punchy. The only difference should be in level of detail and maybe a little more saturation
I have an S5II and pretty happy with it just recording in 5.9K/6K h.265. I like to power the camera with USB-C batteries as I do long shoots so I find having one USB-C PD battery for me is better than carrying around a bunch of internal batteries, especially since I use a tripod most of the time. On the X you can't use an SSD and power the camera via USB-C at the same time which isn't so good as the reason to get the X is to use SSDs for the high bit rate recording options. 3:59 - The GH6 never got a UHD ProRes record option and I asked Panasonic a number of times about it and they couldn't get an answer from the Japanese team as to why not, so maybe the S5II X won't have it either, but if so, it seems a strange resolution to miss out in ProRes when it's such a common resolution nowadays.
I think you can power the x with a dummy battery hooked up to a power bank that can output 9v 2a. That way the usb-c is still free for the external ssd.
the de-facto standarization of Davinci as the edition tool and BRaw fit nicely together. Personally I miss 6k 3:2 in all those new formats, but I do not need raw or all-i with the good 10 bit codecs, so no X for me.
With the ProRes appearing more contrasty, Resolve often interprets footage slightly wrong if there's no metadata being read. Have you tried switching from video levels to Full-Range on the Resolve clip attributes? Right click, clip attributes and then data levels to full?
Possible to confirm if all the HD modes are downsampled from the 6k sensor? Especially the ProRes. If so, that could be a great option for quick turnaround work or clients who only need HD. Thanks!
You really can’t. The only that comes close with value for money is the BM Pocket 6K pro, but that’s a very different camera. Or perhaps the GH6, but that’s micro four thirds.
@@carlyates2487 What about the Canon R6 MKII? OK, there are some differences such as it can't record internal 6K or 5.9/5.8K and it only has a micro HDMI.
@@DynamixWarePro it's also $300 more expensive, doesn't have features like direct SSD recording, 6k Blackmagic RAW recording support, All Intra recording, Internal ProRes, Real time LUT shooting, Custom LUT monitoring, Anamorphic desqueeze, Anamorphic stabilization, shutter angle, synchro scan, monitoring tools like waveforms, vector scopes, false colour. On top of this, just image quality wise, the Lumix has a full stop better dynamic range, better low light performance, better IBIS. The R6ii has some advantages like 4k60 oversampled no crop, faster rolling shutter, better autofocus in higher frame rates and 6k60 ProRes RAW support, but a lot of these also suffer from overheating.
About the look, I love it. I might miss the red part just a bit, but white, NO. The lumix sighn for me was bad idea from the start and to be muted dark is clever. It also can be removed completelly. Panasonic sighn will make more sence to me
The all-i and prores just take up so much space and most modern computers can handle h265 anyways. I would say the more interesting feature is actually the SSD recording with the new kondor blue top handle.
My computer can do 265 very easy and its not the fastest. All i in fact is easier on your computer than long gop. Its canon files that are hard to edit. Panasonic files are great
Would like to get the sii x but when manufacturers advertise low light performance would Panasonic make the dials etc on the sii x unreadable, especially in low light!
Hi! Whay is your microphone? Can you help with few tips how to not get sound noise when using external mic with a camera? A have DJI MIC and Sony A6400 - so much noise in the audio :(
Is there any option to record full sensor open gate 3:2 as ProRes 4:2:2 10bit? Either internal or via ssd? Not the 17:9 5.8k mode. From what I understand the full open gate is only 8bit long gop which totally defeats its purpose…
Who cares about you UHD… You can take DCI and turn it into UHD with a simple crop. I’ve been a Sony user my whole life, and for stills I will stay with Sony but for video, this blows away everything. ProRes and blackmagic RAW for this price? Are you kidding me!?
It’s superb value for money, and excellent quality as well. The image quality and performance is really comparable to the flagship Sony and canon cameras.
I prefer the non-blackout look of the original Lumix S5 II since the button labels and marks are easier to read. Having the option to record high-resolution (4k and beyond) ProRes files to external storage is good but I would rather do it internally. Hopefully the Lumix S1H II will provide that feature through the use of CFexpress cards.
Yes hopefully! I’d love to see a S1H II This is pretty insanely capable though as a camera… not a huge amount left for them to add on an S1H. Perhaps internal Raw?
@@2424rocket You are right about outselling the SH1, but not the next iteration of it. Since Panasonic hasn't upgraded their proper cinema cameras (EV1 and Varicam) in years, it seems like they are focusing in the Lumix series as the answer to that market. Remember, the S5 series is their entry level mirrorless camera.
Unless you can write off the cost of CF Express as a business expense, I really don't know why people shun the usb out, over having to pay over 50 cents per gigabyte for CF Express. Is a $30 mount and cable sticking out the side of the camera really worth hundreds, if not thousands of dollars? Best Buy has a 4 terabyte San Disk usb c drive for $250. Paying almost $400 for 500 Gb is gross, I really don't understand it vs USB-C out.
For the price increase, I'd get the R6 Mark II as it has full frame, oversampled 4K 60 (the mode I would use most) and better/faster photo features vs the crippled/cropped 4K 60 on the S5II/X (as well as crippled AF modes even in 1080p high frame rate modes). James Reader did a great comparison of the S5 II and A7IV and R6 II and the S5 II fell behind in image quality for video (noise and sharpness) though it did have very good IBIS.
@@prayagpankaj9237 The Canon R6 II is selling majority to photographers and not videographers. If you watch the video you see that the presenter is talking about video tools and features, not photography. Does the R6 Mark II has Apple ProRes RAW and Blackmagic RAW external? Does it have ProRes 422HQ and ProRes 422 internal recording to SSD? Does it have Open Gate recording? For videographers all this features are more important.
Except it's dynamic range is severely limited for a camera of its caliber by the absolutely abysmal Analog-to-Digital converter capping linear data from the sensor to around 12 stops dynamic range. Canon's applying a ton of noise filtering and sharpening to the footage. Panasonic does the opposite - leave it majorly untouched and make the image look more organic. You can check this by running the footage through a color channel splitter to separate the Y, Cb and Cr channels and you'll see just how much under-the-hood processing they are doing to reduce noise.
The extra contrast at 4:40 in the prores clip is due to a levels issue where many NLE interpret prores as legal legal range instead of full when recording log. That is why the image is more punchy. The only difference should be in level of detail and maybe a little more saturation
I have an S5II and pretty happy with it just recording in 5.9K/6K h.265. I like to power the camera with USB-C batteries as I do long shoots so I find having one USB-C PD battery for me is better than carrying around a bunch of internal batteries, especially since I use a tripod most of the time. On the X you can't use an SSD and power the camera via USB-C at the same time which isn't so good as the reason to get the X is to use SSDs for the high bit rate recording options.
3:59 - The GH6 never got a UHD ProRes record option and I asked Panasonic a number of times about it and they couldn't get an answer from the Japanese team as to why not, so maybe the S5II X won't have it either, but if so, it seems a strange resolution to miss out in ProRes when it's such a common resolution nowadays.
I think you can power the x with a dummy battery hooked up to a power bank that can output 9v 2a. That way the usb-c is still free for the external ssd.
the de-facto standarization of Davinci as the edition tool and BRaw fit nicely together. Personally I miss 6k 3:2 in all those new formats, but I do not need raw or all-i with the good 10 bit codecs, so no X for me.
How about the blackout style? Hahaha 😅😅
@@eliovisita Can't see different mods on the camera in low light because of this dark color...
With the ProRes appearing more contrasty, Resolve often interprets footage slightly wrong if there's no metadata being read. Have you tried switching from video levels to Full-Range on the Resolve clip attributes? Right click, clip attributes and then data levels to full?
Very good point. That might well be what’s going on
@@carlyates2487 Was common with the Fuji external Prores and that's how I fixed it, thought I'd share. Are you able to confirm?
Lovely camera but I'm waiting for the s1h mk2 that will be even better I think the flagship camera for panny
I’d love to see an S1H II. Rumours are that it won’t happen and they will stick to just this, but who knows!
@@carlyates2487 let's hope that they do bring the s1hmk2 because it could be one of the best
The next thing is always better 🙄
Possible to confirm if all the HD modes are downsampled from the 6k sensor? Especially the ProRes. If so, that could be a great option for quick turnaround work or clients who only need HD. Thanks!
It's a fantastic camera, definitely up there.
Monstrosity for the price you can't beat it.
You really can’t. The only that comes close with value for money is the BM Pocket 6K pro, but that’s a very different camera. Or perhaps the GH6, but that’s micro four thirds.
@@carlyates2487 What about the Canon R6 MKII? OK, there are some differences such as it can't record internal 6K or 5.9/5.8K and it only has a micro HDMI.
@@DynamixWarePro it's also $300 more expensive, doesn't have features like direct SSD recording, 6k Blackmagic RAW recording support, All Intra recording, Internal ProRes, Real time LUT shooting, Custom LUT monitoring, Anamorphic desqueeze, Anamorphic stabilization, shutter angle, synchro scan, monitoring tools like waveforms, vector scopes, false colour.
On top of this, just image quality wise, the Lumix has a full stop better dynamic range, better low light performance, better IBIS.
The R6ii has some advantages like 4k60 oversampled no crop, faster rolling shutter, better autofocus in higher frame rates and 6k60 ProRes RAW support, but a lot of these also suffer from overheating.
About the look, I love it. I might miss the red part just a bit, but white, NO. The lumix sighn for me was bad idea from the start and to be muted dark is clever. It also can be removed completelly. Panasonic sighn will make more sence to me
I agree. To be it’s like if Sony had Alpha written in that space, it’s a strange branding choice.
The all-i and prores just take up so much space and most modern computers can handle h265 anyways.
I would say the more interesting feature is actually the SSD recording with the new kondor blue top handle.
The new Kondor Blue handle does look fantastic. It’s an excellent idea for neatening SSD recording.
My computer can do 265 very easy and its not the fastest. All i in fact is easier on your computer than long gop. Its canon files that are hard to edit. Panasonic files are great
Would like to get the sii x but when manufacturers advertise low light performance would Panasonic make the dials etc on the sii x unreadable, especially in low light!
Would the S5II be good for hybrid run and gun shooting - sports, documentaries, travel and portable?
I want one!
Same!
Thanks for you video, will the S5II do what the X does with the $200 upgrade/update?
Hi! Whay is your microphone?
Can you help with few tips how to not get sound noise when using external mic with a camera? A have DJI MIC and Sony A6400 - so much noise in the audio :(
External harddrive drains the battery of camera right? And you can’t open screen properly. So why any of youtubers do not talk about that.
When are you starting to ship these?
The 60fps crop is hard no
any info on rolling shutter?
don’t about best… but it’s certainly the latest!
OLPF would have made this wayyyy better.
Yeah, I think that would have really sold me on the camera. Or if the 5.8K Prores or RAW was internal.
@@geoffreybassett6741 I didn’t pounce only due to lack of OLPF.
Is there no front filter workaround?
@@fellowcitizen I guess no. And even though we try to do 3rd party it’ll cost more compared if Panasonic installed one.
@@MesaVerdeProductions Luckily, there are deep discounts for the S1H with OLPF now that the S5iix has released.
Is there any option to record full sensor open gate 3:2 as ProRes 4:2:2 10bit?
Either internal or via ssd?
Not the 17:9 5.8k mode.
From what I understand the full open gate is only 8bit long gop which totally defeats its purpose…
Not in ProRes, no. h.265 yes, which is 10 bit 420.
S1H or this camera?
This by faaaaaaaaar🎉
S5 II X. Because of Phase detect AF & ProRes for me.
Carl, tbh you are built sturdy. Built diff.
No comparison… This camera is 100 times better and every possible way. The SH1 has absolute crap auto focus.
S1H has a cleaner sensor and additional options for HDMI output. Timecode port.
Who cares about you UHD… You can take DCI and turn it into UHD with a simple crop.
I’ve been a Sony user my whole life, and for stills I will stay with Sony but for video, this blows away everything. ProRes and blackmagic RAW for this price? Are you kidding me!?
It’s superb value for money, and excellent quality as well. The image quality and performance is really comparable to the flagship Sony and canon cameras.
False Color can be easily added as a lut!
I prefer the non-blackout look of the original Lumix S5 II since the button labels and marks are easier to read. Having the option to record high-resolution (4k and beyond) ProRes files to external storage is good but I would rather do it internally. Hopefully the Lumix S1H II will provide that feature through the use of CFexpress cards.
Yes hopefully! I’d love to see a S1H II
This is pretty insanely capable though as a camera… not a huge amount left for them to add on an S1H. Perhaps internal Raw?
@@carlyates2487 4k 60fps with no crop?
I in my humble opinion, the SH1 series is a dead animal, and will stay dead. This will outsell the Sh1 camera by 100 times.
@@2424rocket You are right about outselling the SH1, but not the next iteration of it. Since Panasonic hasn't upgraded their proper cinema cameras (EV1 and Varicam) in years, it seems like they are focusing in the Lumix series as the answer to that market. Remember, the S5 series is their entry level mirrorless camera.
Unless you can write off the cost of CF Express as a business expense, I really don't know why people shun the usb out, over having to pay over 50 cents per gigabyte for CF Express. Is a $30 mount and cable sticking out the side of the camera really worth hundreds, if not thousands of dollars? Best Buy has a 4 terabyte San Disk usb c drive for $250. Paying almost $400 for 500 Gb is gross, I really don't understand it vs USB-C out.
4k 60 crop...I'll pass!
The S1R has full frame 4K60 if that's what you're after
For the price increase, I'd get the R6 Mark II as it has full frame, oversampled 4K 60 (the mode I would use most) and better/faster photo features vs the crippled/cropped 4K 60 on the S5II/X (as well as crippled AF modes even in 1080p high frame rate modes). James Reader did a great comparison of the S5 II and A7IV and R6 II and the S5 II fell behind in image quality for video (noise and sharpness) though it did have very good IBIS.
The r6 mark ii only shoots 8 bit unless in clog3. No one has time for that outdated camera
@@Yupthereitism yet the number of sales of R6 mark ii is the best answer for your comment 😅
@@prayagpankaj9237 The Canon R6 II is selling majority to photographers and not videographers. If you watch the video you see that the presenter is talking about video tools and features, not photography. Does the R6 Mark II has Apple ProRes RAW and Blackmagic RAW external? Does it have ProRes 422HQ and ProRes 422 internal recording to SSD? Does it have Open Gate recording? For videographers all this features are more important.
Whipped
Except it's dynamic range is severely limited for a camera of its caliber by the absolutely abysmal Analog-to-Digital converter capping linear data from the sensor to around 12 stops dynamic range.
Canon's applying a ton of noise filtering and sharpening to the footage. Panasonic does the opposite - leave it majorly untouched and make the image look more organic. You can check this by running the footage through a color channel splitter to separate the Y, Cb and Cr channels and you'll see just how much under-the-hood processing they are doing to reduce noise.
Still cropped 4K 60... Nobody has time for that in 2023
No ProRes in canon….makes it pretty much useless
Lumix has uncropped options with the S1R or the m4/3 lines
Canon shooter 😂
Mine failed on me at a wedding. Returned straight away.
It’s too sharp for a cinematic image