Mary visits Elizabeth (Becoming Elizabeth)
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Mary Tudor visits her sister Elizabeth in her "exile" in the country, after she hastily left the house of their stepmother Catherine Parr - surrounded by gossips.
Becoming Elizabeth episode 4
The fact that Mary knew exactly what happened to Elizabeth without Elizabeth having to say a word to confirm it
Well, it wasn't hard to confer...
what happened to her? 😅
The casting of Mary in this show was just stellar. She even looks exactly I would expect Mary to look. Wow. Props to everybody involved.
A very strong Mary in this show.A very daring Mary who doesn't beat about the bush and Tells Young Elizabeth a piece of her mind.
Mary has been the breakout star and character of this show. She is perfectly casted, perfectly strong and deserve a spin off.
It helps that she is played by Romola Garai. My god is she awesome
@@TrulyMadlyShallowly you know I've never seen her in a thing before now I'm looking up everything she was ever in to watch now.
@@williethomas5116 If you are into period pieces: she did the absolute best Emma (Jane Austen) out here, and then there was excellent The Crimson Petal & The White.
@@TrulyMadlyShallowly thank I will watch today and let you know what I think.
Best portrayal of Mary on film hands down. Not a caricature but a real person of faith with agency.
She had no faith. She was deceived, and deceiving and believed in a false Christ, false church, false prophets, and false teachers - tragically.
@@EmilyGloeggler7984 She wasn't ''deceived'', she chose what to believe in, and her faith/religion isn't any more or less false than ANY religion in this world.
@@EmilyGloeggler7984Vrigin Purtian.
@@EmilyGloeggler7984 I am sorry for your ignorance.
No god but Allah
Islam way for peace and real monotheist
Search about the truth with honest heart
And first ask Allah to help you to find the way
Here, Mary is exactly the kind of older sister that everyone deserves, but what not every teenager wants. And Elizabeth, while strong, is the kind of teenager everyone WAS. I love how deeply the delved into the broken and yet loving relationships of all three half siblings!
How about not generalizing? Speak for yourself only, what can you know about anyone's teenage years?
I wish I had an older sister like her
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849No, you’re right, I don’t know everyone’s feelings. Just commenting on what I see on the show! 😊
"...I know you think yourself cleverer than me, and in truth, you may well be right. But even the cleverest need LEARN, and for that, they must LISTEN to THOSE WITH EXPERIENCE! Trust me, sister, I have PLENTY!" - Now THAT is a real bull's-eye as well as a real understatement. For out of Henry VIII's three surviving children, Mary is indeed the one with the MOST EXPERIENCE, and EXPERIENCE that is one of a kind at that: once upon a time, she had been their father's sole legitimate heiress, and viewed and treated as such, then she became illegitimate, and had to contend with being a powerless pawn in the ceaseless, cruel, and merciless games between the Kings of Europe. Oh, and of course, she had seen, heard, and SURVIVED Henry VIII's very best and very worst. Yes, she could have taught and helped her siblings SO VERY, VERY MUCH if they had not let their respective differences and the surrounding vultures tear them apart. 😞
this is the first show about this period that really dives into the relationship between mary and elizabeth. i wish there was more records as to what their relationship was like. it must have been so incredibly hard for both women
These dramatizations tend to be "off the rails" historically. Elizabeth's "success" as queen was predicated upon what Mary did as queen when she finally was able to ascend the throne. Mary HATED Elizabeth and more importantly what she represented. Her very existence/being was the product of her mother being shunt aside for Anne Bolynn. Her father treated both she and her mother awfully and separated them when Mary was in her teens; not allowing Mary even the courtesy of attending her mother's funeral when she died. Then Mary was essentially declared a bastard, confined under house arrest and essentially tortured and Anne commanded that if Mary even suggested she was an heir she was to be smacked/struck. No wonder Mary became almost fanatical in her attempts to assert not only her place as Henry VIII's daughter but also to recreate the world as it had been when her mother was queen---with one heir, one queen and one religion.
@@creativewriter3887 You are right in saying a good portion of Elizabeth's success as Queen was founded on what Mary did before her. When Elizabeth ascended the throne, no one questioned the fact of a ruling queen. Mary has already fought that battle. Mary had also begun several reforms that Elizabeth's government claimed credit for.
The relationship between Mary and Elizabeth was far more complicated that most portrayals show us and honestly much more tragic. Mary hated Anne Boleyn. That fact is utterly unquestioned. In truth, Mary loved Elizabeth through her childhood and there is even evidence to show that Mary is the one who supported her financially in the aftermath of Anne Boleyn's fall from grace and execution. She wanted Elizabeth to join her household after King Henry's death, but Elizabeth choose to live with Katherine Parr. Mary only came to hate Elizabeth when Elizabeth became a threat to her and her aspirations of a catholic England.
@@hakkyounotenshi It's shortly after Mary comes to the throne, when Elizabeth reveals she is a loyal daughter of Henry (Elizabeth was utterly determined to gain his approval), and refuses to convert to Catholicism. She publicly refuses to attend a Catholic Mass several times, and it pushes Mary into hating the sister she once rode alongside to seize the throne from a usurper with an army of the people.
@@creativewriter3887 I don’t think they ever really hates each other, even when Elizabeth became a threat to Mary. Undoubtedly, Mary hated Anne Boleyn (Elizabeth’s mother) because it caused Mary to lose her claim to the throne and that her mother Catherine of Aragon was no longer the Queen. It also suggested that Catherine had been living and sleeping with a man who was not her husband for 24 years. Thus would have completely destroyed Catherine’s reputation. As such, they refused to accept it and were refused permission to see each other. Catherine and Mary were strong and prayed that the loving husband and father they knew would see sense. But he didn’t. In the end, Henry had Mary sent to work as a Servant to her infant half-sister. Mary refused to do most of her work and also wouldn’t eat with the other Servants. After Anne Boleyn was beheaded, Mary was restored into favour by Jane Seymour, the third wife. After this, Mary became a mother-figure to Elizabeth. They were actually close for a long time. During Edward’s reign, they were still close. It wasn’t until Mary came to the throne and found Elizabeth threatening when they lost their closeness.
@@creativewriter3887 None of what you said proves that Mary ''hated'' Elizabeth but only that she hated Anne Boleyn.
"Don't hand me the power to destory you and then ask me not to use it." Mary
This actress is stellar as Mary!
I knew she was one to watch when I saw her in Emma
This Mary is the best mary I have ever seen in anything to about Elizabeth. I am really ticked off that they only did one season of this great show. This show is not like the other movies where they make up things for the show are the movie they go by history. I wish they would bring it back .
I love how Mary looks like an older version of Elizabeth outstanding casting
What an amazing conversation between them here, Mary is so wise and indeed gives great advice to Elizabeth, so sad to see her rather lost and not knowing what comes next! The two actresses are wonderful here. Thanks for posting Lili!
Wow the woman playing Mary has done a good job in this role! Good actress!!
Literally my favorite portrayal of Mary!! I feel this is an accurate portrayal of Mary and Elizabeth's relationship at the time. There was a time that Mary cared deeply for Elizabeth, but as time went on people started to turn the sister against one another.
The actress who plays Mary is in a class of her own. A tour de force.
Romola Garai is!!!
This Mary stands out more than Elizabeth
Well, it makes sense. At this point, she was a mature woman in her early thirties while Elizabeth was still a teenager.
I dont know why people are so surprised that Mary's character is played so well. Romola Garai is quite the accomplished actress. She is brilliant. I'm very disappointed there won't be a Season 2 for this series. It left us up in the air about the fate of all the characters (even though historically we all know what happens). It would've been nice to at least end S1 with SOME closure to the plot.
Is it correct information about 2 season? I read that they have plan to make it...
She is not just highly skilled in het deliverance, but she brings such an energy and emotion to everything he does. She is exceptional.
Agreed! Romola Garai's versatility is out of this world! Loved her as Bel Rowley in The Hour and as Emma Woodhouse
This series makes Mary a very interesting character and the actress is really good!
We need a becoming Mary now with this actress
Mary's right, it's safer for Elizabeth to trust her secrets to God than any living person, including her own sister. Mary is smart enough to admit she is only human, and humans are easily swayed regardless of how loyal they are. Not only that, but this involves Sovereignty, and the Crown, and so many people in history have killed or been killed because of it. Well, that and Religion.
Mary was the first victim. Then Elizabeth.
It's sad to me that time & circumstances put Mary and Elizabeth against each other. I totally empathize with Mary and how she felt about everything she and her mother went through. But also with Elizabeth. Being a monarch sounds like one of the worst jobs 😭
They relived their mothers animosity.
So cool that so many of our responses have to do with the incredible performance by the actress who plays Mary. Best ever. I hope they do the next seasons when she becomes Queen.
Mary knew that Thomas Seymour was a lecher. At one point, for political purposes, he even made a play for her.
I do love this portrayal as Mary. You can feel that this rebuke is coming from a place of love, right down to her telling Elizabeth not to outright tell her the truth, so it can’t be used against her. It helps us see that a reason why Mary never could bring herself to be rid of Elizabeth, as so many of her Catholic courtiers wanted, was because she loved her little sister. It would’ve been painful, caught between her love for her God and love for her family.
Plus, all too often, portrayals of Mary have her hold Anne Boleyn’s actions against Elizabeth, completely ignoring the fact that 1. Mary spent enough time with her siblings and would’ve loved them for themselves and 2. One of Anne’s last request was to send Lady Kingstone to beg Mary’s forgiveness for not doing better by her, which was carried out. As a true Catholic, I can’t imagine Mary wouldn’t have wished to hold a grudge against Anne because she knows God is the only judge, so the idea she’d have continued to hold that anger against Elizabeth is unfair to Mary.
Mary I loved Philip II of Spain but he didn't feel the same way-He was only there to fulfill his father's wish(...) He ended up abandoning Mary on her death bed. To add insult to injury; He was trying to seduce Elizabeth while Mary was still alive.
Sigh...like her mother Catherine of Aragon... Loyalty to disloyal husbands.
@@ThePharaoho Philip never wanted to marry her; his daddy made him marry her. Loyal and trust doesn't mean A thing if you can't do the simple thing and that's give birth.
@@savagedarksider5934 That was their role. If he didn't like her, he certainly wouldn't like to bone her as much. It seems he stayed in Spain the majority of the time and only visited once or twice a year...now how was she suppose to conceive like that?
@@savagedarksider5934 Felipe was away on the continent during most of their married life, attending to his own realms. So there wasn't much opportunity to get pregnant. She should've married Edward Courtenay or some other Catholic nobleman who would have been by her side throughout the marriage.
@@cg8397 True, but she wanted to marry into Span and copy the marriage of her mother's parents.
Mary loved Elizabeth. She had almost no one left to love, after her mother's death. She was also too Christian to blame an innocent child for the sins of her parents. Then, when they were both in & out of favour, they had so much in common. Elizabeth was a loveable child, as well, bright as all Tudors were, & impish. I believe she became for Mary the child the 17-years-older woman should have had for herself by 1536, if her life had been sane. And by the end of Mary's reign --- painfully ill, death looming, all her precious reforms facing failure, her advisors all clamoring for the death of Elizabeth --- I believe it was only that complicated love, so pure of heart, which stood between the younger woman & the axe. 🪓
I wish it had been renewed!! Id love to have seen how they navigated Mary seizing the throne from Jane Grey and then the breakdown of the relationship between Mary and Elizabeth during Marys Reign.
Just found this clip and there's so much to say on the relationship between the real life counterparts. And also a lot to say on the conversation where in some instances the sisters didn't even have to say anything to each other to understand each other, which was brilliant. Thomas Seymour was a straight up pig, Catherine Parr wasn't the first "queen" he made a play for, he tried with Mary I and failed, probably because she saw right through him, and I feel like when Mary mentioned the part about Elizabeth listening to the experiences of others was her subtle way of saying Thomas may have tried to woo her, but if she had straight up said it it would also compromise her, since Mary was seen as this paragon of virtue by many (before her Bloody Mary arc) I also resent that these children were used by people and some of them from their own factions...
Imagine if Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were never killed and they were both still alive during Mary reign and instead they got a divorce from Henry the 8
Fantastic scene between these two. We see the manipulator in Catherine Parr and a very wise woman in Mary.
This show was so good. I am so disappointed they cancelled it.
While I like the Mary here, it's not extremely true to real life, and Elizabeth seems a bit dumb here. She knew much better than to confide in Mary or anyone, and Mary would not be so forgiving if Elizabeth "had given in to temptation."
Elizabeth’s actress looks freakishly similar to Ruairi O’Connor, who played Henry VIII in The Spanish Princess.
It's the red hair and pointed face. And Elizabeth did look very much like Henry too. Kind of fitting, don't you think?
I love their voices! And the movie too!
So bummed this was not picked up for second season.
If I was Mary, I would have snatched custody.
They both look very similar as well like true sisters
Mary Just took the show love hoy truly raw BUT honest BUT cleaver also
This was really good.
Romola Garai is soooo good!
I hope this is picked up for season 2
This scene alone makes me want to watch the show - but is the camera always so shaky?
It's Emma!
We need a mary mini series or movie with this actress
Was this house also used as a filming location in the white princess? It looks familar
It was.
I've seen this house used a few times now, White Princess, Spanish Queen, and this show.
Deep down I think they lovd one another and knew that others were to blame for their misery and by othets I mean Daddy! Ole Henry the 8th Himself he was resonsibe for these 2 not getting along and for their misery wel most of it
Am so enjoying this show....when is ep 9 screened?
This actress is too beautiful to be Mary.
she’s not when younger Mary was an considered to be very beautiful and when she was older she was described as “plain” but she was never described as ugly.
The show historically got their appearances accurate but they don’t seem close at all . And around this time they had a bond . Mary did serve as her maid when she was an infant and they spent time with Edward and their father so this is bs lol . But overall I liked the show
They do have a quite close bond in this tv series
Romola has been in two shows I'll never get over them canceling early. The Hour and Becoming Elizabeth. Why!?
I don't envisage that Elizabeth was ever vulnerable or in need of Mary's advice. She was much too tough and shrewd, even at a young age.
I'm pretty sure that is true actually. But I still love watching this Mary. 😍
Even the strongest of people need a kick in the pants from an older sibling from time to time lol
@@Rat_Queen86Elizabeth's relationship with Mary would not have been a normal sisterly relationship. From an early age Elizabeth would have been aware that she and Mary were on opposite sides due to their religious beliefs. In reality they were not close. Mary of course never forgave Anne Boleyn, Elizabeth's mother, for the harm she had caused to both her and her mother. Mary wanted Elizabeth to become a Catholic and return England to Catholicism. Elizabeth of course did not do this; however, she had to use all her wiles during Mary's reign in order to survive. Before Mary died she requested to be buried with her mother Catherine of Aragon and a tomb to be erected for both of them. Elizabeth ignored this request and she shares a tomb with Mary. Indeed Mary Queen of Scots, Elizabeth's cousin, was in exactly the same position Elizabeth had been during her house arrest, Elizabeth knew every trick in the book and exactly how to trap Mary which led to her execution.
@@susangavaghan why couldn’t Mary be buried with her mother?! That’s awful!
She wasnt as strong. I mean people back in the age were strong they deal with toughness on daily basis. You could die next week. So Elizabeth toughness has been exaggerated as part of her propaganda done during her reign painting her as tougher that she probably was or can be as a teen.
I am of another faith... (Elizabeth to her sister, "Elizabeth R")
There's parts on your videos it looks like an movie tho but its good tho anyway hope I get likes for this tho I just want an like I'm new here okay plssssssss
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Romona Garai is terrific but the series is not very good. Not surprised it didn’t get a second season. And haven’t the Tudors been done to death already? How about series about other historical characters, earlier monarchs?
Tbh most Tudors have been done to death but Edward's reign was an exception so far, so in that aspect it made sense to do this series. They just should have done it better.
I could do with some Plantagenet series
@@waverider8549 The movies we do get usually revolve around John in the case of the Robin Hood movies, or around the time when Henry II's sons all revolt against him. My question is: why has there never been a series about William the Conqueror, Matilda and Stephen, Edward I (that isn't Braveheart), Edward II, Edward III, or Henry II early reign? Those are all packed full of drama and war. Not to mention there's the pre conquest stuff that I'm damn sure hasn't been touched with the exception of The Last Kingdom. If there are any other movies they were done pre 90's and therefore I really don't know much about them nor do I think you can really find a copy.
@@Lily1127channel or focused on Mary or Edward the Tudors have been done to death as in elisabeth and Anne maybe Henry but you legit could do any other player and still have lists of tv Stuff to do
Yes, the Tudors are great, but it's time for other historical figures to get the attention they deserve. Apparently Starz is working on a series about Eleanor of Aquitaine, so there's that.
None of this took place. Fact. The words they speak are of 21st Century writers.
this series was trash, but Mary was played well and rather sympathetically, which I think was fair. It wasn't until Elizabeth became too great a (unwilling?) threat that she turned so vicious towards her
Didn't Mary have dark hair? Plus Mary was something like 17 years older than Elizabeth.
This is her right hair color. Both her parents had red hair.
Mary was 17 years older than Elizabeth, Romola Garai is 11 years older than Alicia von Rittberg.
@@Lily1127channel essctly Mary casting age is spot on they either needed to cast a younger actress for elisabeth or one that could pass off as 13-15 while looking 27.
Mary had red hair that turned dark auburn or chestnut, it seems, as she got older. Henry had red hair and Katherine of Aragon had blonde or maybe strawberry blonde hair.
It’s a common trope in media set in this time that if a character is from Spain, well, they must’ve had black hair. Not the case, especially not with the Spanish royal family - who were famously fair haired.
Who on Earth picked this actress for the role of Elizabeth. She seems very miscast.
Ugh cuz she is I am
Sure she’s lovely and a good actress but she tanked it for me.
She’s the worst Elizabeth I ever to be put on screen.
Did our father turn you utterly against the true Church, Sister? I pray God it is not so. Our Lord is merciful to those who truly repent of their error.
Mary >>>>>
"you may well be right" Elizabeth was in no way cleverer than mary irl... She just stole Mary's ideas and schemes
That’s not true. Elizabeth’s intelligence was noted from a very young age and Elizabeth’s reign lasted far after Mary died.
Elisabeth had a much greater education than Mary,not to mention that Elisabeth was extremely smart and this comment is stupid.
Smart people learn from other people, they learn from experiences and not just theirs.
@@francescabuonanno2333 lol what? Mary was more well educated compared to Elizabeth. Her only mistake was falling in love with Philip II like her aunt who fall in love with Philip I.
@@QWERTYUIOP-wu6ht due to Elisabeth's intelligence when she was a girl, She received a "male education" She would join lessons with her Brother because Elisabeth was considered a male,even during her reign the people thought she was a male.
Mary can be a bit delulu
Every comment on videos of this show seems to be full of “fans” of Mary who are convinced this show is righting past wrongs and are spreading anti-Elizabeth propaganda. If a lot of it is due to taking this incredibly inaccurate show as gospel, then the main issue with this show is in the casting that is leading people astray. Mary is played by a much more skillful and convincing actress than the actress who plays Elizabeth. In fact, I find the actress playing Elizabeth to be the weakest actress I’ve ever seen play her. I like that this show is giving Mary some more character and depth but they’re overdoing the “rewriting” history to “reveal new truths” with this. This show is also overdoing the innocent, young naive girl who starts out of her element and will “become” Gloriana. Elizabeth was never this confused acting even when she was confused and unsure how to wade through the next predicament she was put in. I hope viewers know this show is most fanfiction written by people who simply are being guided by seeing more accurate portrayals from older decades and deviating from it to provide a “fresh” perspective…even if the fresher view is more inaccurate than the inaccurate traditional perspective.
The fans of Elizabeth started it first since their time up to now. Spreading anti-Elizabethan propaganda is just a revenge for the disgrace they caused to Mary. Anti-Spanish, Anti-Catholic and Hispanophobia were also famous during the time of Elizabeth and not to mention the Spanish black legend were also spread. If there's someone who's rewriting history, it's the protestant writers who discredited and disgraced both Mary Tudor and Mary, Queen of Scots.
The fact that Elizabeth chose to bury herself with Mary says loads! It implies that she saw Mary as her family. After all her mum died when she was just 3 and Mary took pity of baby Elizabeth and took her to her care at least in the early years. They even bonded a bit more when both were rejected by their father having so much in common. So it has to be assume that Elizabeth had some misfeelings, but saw Mary a bit like her motherfigure. During edwards reign she indeed was as they both were now free from the burdens of succession. When Mary reigned, she almost signed Elizabeth's death sentence when the devout protestant plot was discovered. Yet she didnt last minute cause she couldnt kill her own sister, her remaining family when logically, it was what made the most sense. Mary and Elizabeth walked together to Mary's coronation in the same charriot parading united through the streets of London. And Mary had Elizabeth made her heir instead of Mary of Scotland who had assured catholicism in the country. So she chose her sister above her religion even f that implied undoing catholicism. And even in their burial Elizabeth says "Here we stand as sisters". Also most of the tricks she learned she got them from Mary btw. So their relationship is way closer than most people believe.
Elizabeth was 13-15 yrs..Mary was in her thirties..Theres no way a 13 yr old, no matter how bright, can upsurp a sister in her thirties..
You wear the cross of our Lord around your neck. Are you of the true faith, Sister, or are you a heretic?
They never met each other.
No they did
You're thinking of mary queen of scots
In case no one else has mentioned this: Elizabeth and Mary never met. Not in secret, not in public. Never.
The two sisters never met? 😀
It is Elizabeth Tudor and her older sister Mary Tudor
This Mary I of England, not Mary Queen of Scots
This person playing Mary is way too pretty by far. Mary was an ugly goblin judging from artists portraits which tended to be flattering but even that could only go so far.
Agreed the actress is obviously much more attractive but her acting I think encapsulates the real Mary's personality
Interesting
She could have murdered Elizabeth as did wirh Jane and solved the problem of the anglican-protomasonic and cabalaistic question.