I truly love the bond between Elizabeth and Mary in the series. They both truly care about eachother, Mary trying always her best to advice her sister and both of them being for one another whenever one is upset. I just really love that about them❤️❤️
Yes, I thought their relationship was portrayed very well in the Tudors too. Actually, it was even better mostly because of the actress playing Elizabeth lol. I wanted to like Alicia in this show but God bless her she just isn't very convincing as the Great Queen Elizabeth. Here Mary comes across as the smart one and Elizabeth is a bit dim.
I was always under the impression that there was a deep rift between Mary and Elizabeth on account of their religious beliefs, but in this series it seems they get along rather well.The fact that they had both lost their mothers on account of their father´s whims and fickleness might have brought them together.
yes actually they got along very well before. Mary was a good sister and motherly towards Edward. However, the succession changed her alot. She shows how fierce she was when she fought for her throne even when she was crowned she had Elizabeth walk with her in streets of London. she was very popular when she was crowned. unfortunately Mary did not see the violence that was about to take place when she took in alot of the catholic courters she did. Esp bishop gardner. they all hated elizabeth and saw her as a threat. They all wanted her dead becuase of her in between beliefs. she wasnt catholic but she wasnt a hard protestant like her brother. Elizabeth became a rallying point which made her dangerous. the'r relationship deterioated when mary became more obsessed with turning england back catholic.
@@thehistoryfreak13 I knew that Mary was very popular when she became Queen . Hard Protestants sacrificed young Jane Grey to their religious and political goals, but to no avail.Most of the English politicians and nobility were loyal to Mary then. I think that Mary never gave up trying to turn England back into a catholic country.In my opinion Elizabeth only made up her mind which side and religion to back, after she witnessed that Mary was losing popularity and that her politics were failing.
@@Belinda8881 no actually I disagree. Elizabeth was more Protestant leaning from beginning Kat Ashley her nanny basically was one who raised her and did so with Protestant teachings or rather leaning. Also the influence of Catherine pare growing up who was more of an interested party in new religious ideas than a stout Protestant. I say this because during Mary’s reign Elizabeth got in trouble for constantly having excuses for not going to mass until she was finally force way before Mary popularity went down. Mary popularity went down starting with her insistence with marrying Philip II who wasn’t king of Spain yet at the time. The marriage was highly unpopular and that’s what started the downward trend in addition to forced war with France yhag lost Calais for the English and her false pregnancy and etc.
@@thehistoryfreak13 I see. Sometimes, people from foreign countries like me, may have an unclear perspective of the facts. I was always under the impression that Elizabeth only decided which way to go, when she knew her sister ´s politics were a failure, but it seems it wasn´t so.
To be true, Catherine Parr was hardly the model of decorum on at least one grisly occasion. She held Elizabeth while Thomas Seymour proceeded to tear apart her dress with a sword until she was left standing in her undergarments. He was apparently ready to get at those as well until Kat Ashley, Elizabeth's guardian, stormed in and broke things up. Catherine, Elizabeth and Thomas would also get into various "wrestling romps", I hate to think what those consisted of.
@anikethchakraborty3238 At this point, even an academic essay would not require extensive resources. It's well documented that Thomas Seymour was grooming Elizabeth, and Catharine Part was deliberately blind to it if she wasn’t complicit. Any scholar of the Tudor era would say Elizabeth was abused, even though the extent of the abuse is not known.
@@jonathanraithel5726 I feel sorry for Elizabeth, I always wondered why the "auntie" of the wives, Anne of Cleves was never considered. From the sources I remember, she specifically told Henry in a letter that in return for annulment that she would still like to see his children.
If I were Mary, I wouldn't care if Catherine mocks Henry. After casting aside my mother for another woman and then going further as making me illegitimate and then not letting my beloved mother contact me for good...yeah that man deserves all the mockery. I'd spit on his grave, too.
Here here yes I totally agree. Poor Mary this was her worst problem in life she refused to blame Henry for everything that went wrong and instead took her anger out on others. I sympathize with her pain but she shouldn't have taken that sorrow out on the wrong people.
@@heatherwaetzig2633 I read a comment somewhere that in Mary's last will, she asked that the mass would always be said for the souls of her mother and her grandparents Isabella and Ferdinand but she didn't mention anything about Henry. I guess she blamed Henry later on when she became Queen.
Wondered what would have happened if Elizabeth would have moved in with mary. I know later on that Mary tried to get Elizabeth to marry some Duke to get her out of the country. But I wonder if there was a moment where they really could have been sisters. And reconciled.
It was treason that killed Richard III. Henry Percy, William and Thomas Stanley all swore allegiance to Richard III. They held back to see who was winning. Thomas Stanley was Henry Tudor's stepfather so he had a vested interest in the outcome of the battle. Both Henry Percy and William Stanley got their just deserts. Henry Percy went to York to put down a tax related riot. The good citizens of York dragged him off his horse and killed him after Percy's bolted. (I've been to York) William Stanley was beheaded for treason by Henry VII. Thomas Stanley was demoted.
Despite all we know about their fates and conflicts most cause of People 's greed they always care and respect maybe in a diferente World, times. Im not surprised why Elizabeth decided to ne bury besides Mary that action tells it all at the end Somehow it Will be not durprising that that kind sobre of scnario May happened
I feel like Mary probably knew what that man was trying to do to Elizabeth and I think she deplored it and wanted to protect her little sister it was only when Mary ascended to the throne and her paranoia and mental issues began that the rift happened
Not really Mary didn't spend very much time with her. Anne and Mary didn't get along and Mary probably wouldn't have wanted to discuss Elizabeth's mother with her.
Not really only person since there were much more who were closer to Anne Boleyn like Kat Ashley. Most of Mary's interactions with Anne Boleyn were the passive aggressive letters they wrote each other.
I'm loving the portrayal of Mary Tudor more and more. and Romola Garai shines so bright. Thanks for sharing
I swear she is such an underrated actress
Same❤❤❤
I truly love the bond between Elizabeth and Mary in the series. They both truly care about eachother, Mary trying always her best to advice her sister and both of them being for one another whenever one is upset. I just really love that about them❤️❤️
Yes, I thought their relationship was portrayed very well in the Tudors too. Actually, it was even better mostly because of the actress playing Elizabeth lol. I wanted to like Alicia in this show but God bless her she just isn't very convincing as the Great Queen Elizabeth. Here Mary comes across as the smart one and Elizabeth is a bit dim.
Love how Mary is becoming a favorite character
Mine too ❤ Although I may be biased too because I love Romola
I really wanted this show to make it! Great acting!
I was always under the impression that there was a deep rift between Mary and Elizabeth on account of their religious beliefs, but in this series it seems they get along rather well.The fact that they had both lost their mothers on account of their father´s whims and fickleness might have brought them together.
Well the rift happened after edward died due to sucession issues and Mary tudor felt threatened and religion did get in the way as well
yes actually they got along very well before. Mary was a good sister and motherly towards Edward. However, the succession changed her alot. She shows how fierce she was when she fought for her throne even when she was crowned she had Elizabeth walk with her in streets of London. she was very popular when she was crowned. unfortunately Mary did not see the violence that was about to take place when she took in alot of the catholic courters she did. Esp bishop gardner. they all hated elizabeth and saw her as a threat. They all wanted her dead becuase of her in between beliefs. she wasnt catholic but she wasnt a hard protestant like her brother. Elizabeth became a rallying point which made her dangerous. the'r relationship deterioated when mary became more obsessed with turning england back catholic.
@@thehistoryfreak13 I knew that Mary was very popular when she became Queen . Hard Protestants sacrificed young Jane Grey to their religious and political goals, but to no avail.Most of the English politicians and nobility were loyal to Mary then.
I think that Mary never gave up trying to turn England back into a catholic country.In my opinion Elizabeth only made up her mind which side and religion to back, after she witnessed that Mary was losing popularity and that her politics were failing.
@@Belinda8881 no actually I disagree. Elizabeth was more Protestant leaning from beginning Kat Ashley her nanny basically was one who raised her and did so with Protestant teachings or rather leaning. Also the influence of Catherine pare growing up who was more of an interested party in new religious ideas than a stout Protestant. I say this because during Mary’s reign Elizabeth got in trouble for constantly having excuses for not going to mass until she was finally force way before Mary popularity went down. Mary popularity went down starting with her insistence with marrying Philip II who wasn’t king of Spain yet at the time. The marriage was highly unpopular and that’s what started the downward trend in addition to forced war with France yhag lost Calais for the English and her false pregnancy and etc.
@@thehistoryfreak13 I see. Sometimes, people from foreign countries like me, may have an unclear perspective of the facts. I was always under the impression that Elizabeth only decided which way to go, when she knew her sister ´s politics were a failure, but it seems it wasn´t so.
It seems they handled the relationships of the siblings well
Wonderful scene between the sisters, so many layers and things said here, it really helps understand what comes next. Thanks for posting Lili!!
To be true, Catherine Parr was hardly the model of decorum on at least one grisly occasion. She held Elizabeth while Thomas Seymour proceeded to tear apart her dress with a sword until she was left standing in her undergarments. He was apparently ready to get at those as well until Kat Ashley, Elizabeth's guardian, stormed in and broke things up. Catherine, Elizabeth and Thomas would also get into various "wrestling romps", I hate to think what those consisted of.
can you provide sources?
@anikethchakraborty3238
At this point, even an academic essay would not require extensive resources. It's well documented that Thomas Seymour was grooming Elizabeth, and Catharine Part was deliberately blind to it if she wasn’t complicit. Any scholar of the Tudor era would say Elizabeth was abused, even though the extent of the abuse is not known.
@@jonathanraithel5726 I feel sorry for Elizabeth, I always wondered why the "auntie" of the wives, Anne of Cleves was never considered. From the sources I remember, she specifically told Henry in a letter that in return for annulment that she would still like to see his children.
If I were Mary, I wouldn't care if Catherine mocks Henry. After casting aside my mother for another woman and then going further as making me illegitimate and then not letting my beloved mother contact me for good...yeah that man deserves all the mockery. I'd spit on his grave, too.
Here here yes I totally agree. Poor Mary this was her worst problem in life she refused to blame Henry for everything that went wrong and instead took her anger out on others. I sympathize with her pain but she shouldn't have taken that sorrow out on the wrong people.
@@heatherwaetzig2633 I read a comment somewhere that in Mary's last will, she asked that the mass would always be said for the souls of her mother and her grandparents Isabella and Ferdinand but she didn't mention anything about Henry. I guess she blamed Henry later on when she became Queen.
@@madamesatan5761 Interesting thank-you for sharing! I will look into that.
People also forget that she had to sign a document acknowledging that she not only was a bastard but a bastard born of incest
@@madamesatan5761 Well better late than never to actually realize that your spite was misdirected.
I am rewatching Tudors just to start watch this show
Wondered what would have happened if Elizabeth would have moved in with mary. I know later on that Mary tried to get Elizabeth to marry some Duke to get her out of the country. But I wonder if there was a moment where they really could have been sisters. And reconciled.
To think: the whole Tudor dynasty started because Richard III took the Throne from Edward V.
It was treason that killed Richard III. Henry Percy, William and Thomas Stanley all swore allegiance to Richard III. They held back to see who was winning. Thomas Stanley was Henry Tudor's stepfather so he had a vested interest in the outcome of the battle. Both Henry Percy and William Stanley got their just deserts. Henry Percy went to York to put down a tax related riot. The good citizens of York dragged him off his horse and killed him after Percy's bolted. (I've been to York) William Stanley was beheaded for treason by Henry VII. Thomas Stanley was demoted.
Butterfly effect 🦋
I feel for Mary and Elizabeth.
Despite all we know about their fates and conflicts most cause of People 's greed they always care and respect maybe in a diferente World, times. Im not surprised why Elizabeth decided to ne bury besides Mary that action tells it all at the end
Somehow it Will be not durprising that that kind sobre of scnario May happened
I feel like Mary probably knew what that man was trying to do to Elizabeth and I think she deplored it and wanted to protect her little sister it was only when Mary ascended to the throne and her paranoia and mental issues began that the rift happened
The actress playing Mary is awesome, the one playing Elizabeth is too old.
I love Mary Tudor. 😍😍😍
Mary was more Trastámara than the halfwitted Tudors.
Excellent acting!
Its sad honestly. The only person who could’ve told Elizabeth about her mother in detail would’ve been Mary. Mary knew her mom better than she did.
Not really Mary didn't spend very much time with her. Anne and Mary didn't get along and Mary probably wouldn't have wanted to discuss Elizabeth's mother with her.
@@heatherwaetzig2633 that’s why the word could’ve is there dear. Because of the rest.
Not really only person since there were much more who were closer to Anne Boleyn like Kat Ashley. Most of Mary's interactions with Anne Boleyn were the passive aggressive letters they wrote each other.
I love Elizabeth tudor
She is so attractive