Something I have noticed too: SP RFE seems tuned to MP. Several of the upper end POIs simply have too many NPCs to fight for one person, and many of the space POIs call in so many higher end response CVs that beating them alone without a massive dreadnought simply will not happen. Ravien swears this is not the case. But I have played this game for a long time, and the difference is totally noticeable.
Glitchin into thing...yeah, I know that all too well. Like: Hello astroid-field my old friend, I came to cuddle you again. Gettin my ships nose glitched in, Zirax ambushes get the win. So I am driftin through space in my EVA-suit, until a drone shoots.... - yeah could be pretty much a song :)
If you look at the Legacy ships in the workshop you can see that not only are they overclocked on CPU but in generators as well. The NPC core turns off all checks however and allows the Eradicator to run its 96 disruptors on that NPC core plus a few generators. A player ship would implode or simply lock up.
the old infested station also DOES NOT have quantums. Vermillion removed them as he thought the stations were too easy, and allowed for to many. The new stations are s'pose to be guaranteed quantums, in an indestructible box.
Sorry it was really hard to get anything, you held out much longer than I could ever try😕. But I thank you for at least trying 😌.See you later for whatever you chose to play. Thanks for the vid.😉
I feel you Sir, after say midgame I noticed the numbers of players dropped hard this season also it s not more difficult I think but just lot s more of everything which adds to the grind and yeah ..people s time. will be there for the next vid ofcourse have a good day after this ..;-)
found the crashed infectors on the planet a lot of fun.. SV to drop the shields with fixed lasers ..pop the turrets with fixed rail guns... try to keep the shields down with turrets focused on generates...while you run in to pop the shield gen.. work out the maze of opening up everything and loot the quantum box
as a casual observer, it seems they made legacy for factions to have a challenging experience. shame if legacy loot is basically unavailable to solo players
It's not. Almost every black hole has one or two asteroid fields with 1-3 Legacy ships and/or POIs like the Anomalous station or Matter Converter. If you find one with infestor, you can either lure the Infestor away from the rest (if there are any) or the other way around, lure the others away from your target. Then you can kill and loot the Infestor alone. It will be messy in the beginning, but after few fights and few Quantums :), you will know how to kill & loot it really fast.
agree with MechanizedSoul.. can be done solo.. I personally find it easier to do not using the spinney play style with a hardened ship that does not rely just on shields and fixed Arty.. My current build is a size class 3 with a baston shield.. 4 EMP turrets and 9 Fixed Arty to do all the work... there are a lot of other turrets but they are manly for drones now days
Thanks for the video Spanj. Sorry you had such a hard time in this video. As the mod creator said below there are some balance issues that he is addressing. The ships are clearly OP and are unbalanced. I think though at the same time shield tanks are not the way to go and I think Raiven is removing the spin-spin mechanic (which myself and plenty others hate as a mechanic). As you said in the video for space you want something with loads of armor and with a lot of fixed fire guns. On the planet is think a modernised ground pounder would do the job. For anyone interested in a solid armor based capital I am presently hard at work making the 'MCRN Discovery B' for reforged, which exactly like the vanilla version will combine a heavy armor space combat ship and a ground pounder into a single hull.
Nice content as always. Nothing about the current state of combat in Empyrion suggests "come play again". I have had many hours of fun however and I keep hoping they'll make a game of it someday. Thank goodness for these scenarios.
This looks like it could be a job for the IWC strike force again. A few more colleagues helping you out will definitely make short work of those Legacy vessels and installations. ;)
Have not taken the R.F. jump yet... but over time space just seems to be getting silly hard... spend a year gathering and still not going to happen. Not dumping on the game just DAMN! If i cant solo then some of this stuff is a bit pointless. lol Again i know only what i see hehehe Good try cant always hit home runs, and you didnt lose 1 block. Still a good watch. Vermillion hates us! :)
I'm sorry to laugh but it was kinda funny especially that ending which summed up the the whole episode, poor old Spanj sounded like a broken man which I guess was the idea behind the title and thumbnail..!! 😥 No doubt the comeback will be raw aggression 🤬
😂 that is one disappointed Spanj. I feel with you. This is frustrating that there is literally no feasible reason to fight that faction anymore. Might as well focus on Taweras for Quantums.
So the way to make this harder they have made ANY POI or ship a bullet sponge with a shield and an unending amount of enemy anything, and this would work in single player HOW ? yup, like many others a big pass on this scenario until is re balanced to a point that is playable. And then the disappearing ships are still a thing LMAO, the battles have turned in to just a " Pyrrhic " scenario in witch you win. . .your really loose and you loose and you just loose.
This is the unfortunate reality of Reforged Eden; a great mod and scenario being dragged down by some harsh tuning focused on server play and poor risk/cost/reward ratios.
the ridiculousness of the legacy space battles are what stopped me playing this scenario last time. think either they need a tune down, or need to be much weaker / less common when in SP mode. i get RE is supposed to be harder, but it currently crosses the line into non-fun frustration.
Eradicator's aren't very fun to fight and the loot stinks. The infector ground bases got some steroids as well. Used a modified Groundpounder to defang one and within 15 seconds my shields were down, 3 layers of combat steel and all the bait generators were gone, breaches everywhere. Barely got it out of there while it could still fly and the infector base shields were only down to around 70%. It's all admin now so even the sapper approach is borked. Only way that I got in was tunneling and using the laser drill fill function to make a corridor to the door and again, the loot stunk. They have gone past the balance point of a tough fight to the point of making it not fun. A couple of hundred hours on this play and haven't found one quantum, had to go aux cores and extra gens. Haven't played in weeks, first long break in 5 years. RE definitely isn't solo friendly anymore. Have you noticed that very few people are putting out RE content now? Of the 5 RE content channels that I watch only you have put out a RE vid in the last two weeks, that's very telling.
There is [The Legacy] (teal) and [Legacy] (purple:), don't ask me why. And they can spawn in the same playfield, it's fun to fight for example [The Legacy]Devastator and Legacy Devastor next to each other. Ravien probably updated the purple version of Matter Converter.
Sad Spanj noises make me sad. I watched the the ships just teleport and merge. That was just bonkers. Hopefully you can sort that out and come back stronger!
I asked about the matter converter in our discord and the creator told me the body is indestructable. Said the best strategy is to take a heavy SV in and use that body as a shield, and snipe at the turrets. Made an SV specifically to try that, but, every one I've found is guarded by several of the heavy new ships, and I haven't been able to beat one, yet. The last time I tried, it cored my frigate. Thankfully they stop firing at that moment. I just didn't notice it cut through all that armor. It's 2 hits to destroy a combat steel or xeno block, so they rip armor apart. Made a new battleship specifically for that challenge, but, it needs 10 aux cores which I have, AND 10 of the cores from the legacy, and the new infected station never has a core, only those plasma charges. So... kinda locked up at the moment ;-). Been playing New World and Valheim ;-). I'm north of you on other side of swamp in House Bangarang ;-).
You don't lose the loot when you blow up matter converters. Target gens and be done with it. The loot boxes will be floating around in space. And it can't call in reinforcements if it's blown up 🤔
New Matter converters have admin core so they cant be blownup.. you have to take down the shield and turrets and board the converter... can be done easy.. I was like Spanj using fixed arties to pop the turrets... this was done in my size class 3 gun boat with adv shield, combat steel and zeno build.
I find the shield only ships find it a lot harder trying to use the fixed arty, I have not had a huge amount of problems taking on the legacy ships including the new ships.. using 4 EMP turrets for shields and 9 fixed Arty to pop the cores or turrets or thrusters.. its a lot easier to lead the arty shots when not spinning all over the place worrying about getting hit and losing shields
I can understand Spanjs frustration here...the end game..particularly in Reforged seems pretty bankrupt. RE gives us SO much more In terms of firepower and content than Vanilla...but looks like it had to ramp up the end game difficulty and grind to maintain a challenge...I suspect particularly for MP groups ( slightly off thread..but I also wonder how shield fighter style combat holds up combined with MP lag? Not well I suspect, tho I haven't seen anyone try it) I'm still enjoying Empyrion ( Vanilla and Reforged,) in the early to mid game...with plenty of "cheese" ( console cheats and shopping at the IMall to make the game playable for me,) and taking a no pressure no grind approach. But I can respect and understand how grind and frustrating it is for you "dairy free" high end players...doubly so for mod and dev teams trying to extend the fun gameplay even deeper into endgame...not an easy balance to hit..particularly since MP and Solo style play inhabit the same space. Could this be the end of Spanj EGS content? I hope not...but it's got to be harder and harder to make each new episode fresh and entertaining...especially since so much of what makes EGS fun doesn't easily translate to a video series. If there was an easy fix..It'd be fixed..if its a harder fix, for Spanj or EGS we will see...Good luck. I keep playing, and will keep watching, for as long as I can tho 😎👍
Legacy have always been a coin toss when it comes to quantums, just takes persistance. Also Spanj want to let you know for the Symbiots, sental flak turrets work beautifully with gats they die quicker, plus lasers get damage reduction against drones. : \. the ammunition amount that ship hold is enough to take out the other ships, its just a matter of 1) the experience of the spinny playstyle 2)just knowing the ships. The eradicators you can genuinly target the generators to take them out, same with the devestators. Targeting turrets are just going to waste more ammo than it would take to incapacitate them. either way love your videos as always. always look forward to your videos no matter what you play :D
I guess one of the reasons i don't play RE anymore is the huge waste of time while grinding. Call me weak and unpatient, but i'm not sitting through hundreds of hours on this, watching Spanj doing it is pain enough. The rewards in this game aren't worth it anymore, which is sad, because RE is actually a great mod on the story and overall possibilities. It would be more realistic and fun if the damage output of all weapons is increased to 1000%. Why? Check real WWI and WW2 battleship battles and how many large caliber shots or bombs you need to sink a dreadnought for example.
Hi Spanj , Getting those ground based poi’s for the quantum’s is something we farm. It is all about getting the targeting fixed on a turret you then hide, then these are defanged quite quickly. My cv will do these out of the box at T4 but they are tricky if it’s just one of those days where terrain is not helpful. Standard tactics we have found are not very effective. All the best Alkemmi
There seems to be a problem with your Legacy homeworld. It's spawned all vanilla POIs on the planet and in orbit and none of the Reforged ones. You got the new Matter Converter in the asteroid field, but the vanilla one in planetary orbit. 1.7 will see an overhaul of combat mechanics since as you noticed, it's not quite fair at the moment because of those "spinny-spinny" ships ruining the gameplay meta for everyone.
WHAT?!?! I started to write longer response but YT is horrible for discussion, I'll post it on Reddit. But seriously, do not ruin the dodging playstyle.
Huu? What is wrong with agile ships? Eve for example has shield tanks and armor... while shield has its times, armor also has its value. Why are u trying to make ppl play one style in a sandbox game no less.
How tf does a how u put it ''spinny spinny" ship ruin anything for ANYONE? Not everyone feels like being retarded and standing still and getting shot to shit hopeing that does the job, some ppl like to use piloting skill and actual technique to tackle space battles. On another note these pois are a little more challenging but still more than doable for a single person, I've done it myself and the CV I did it in was barely size class 2.64 with slightly over 50 turrets, mind you all upgraded but still.
Well said. This is your vision of EGS..and you put the time and effort into making it work...and adding so much to the basic game. And, more than that, you are taking the time and effort to share it with the rest of us. If folks are not pleased with where you decide to make your changes work...well, no one is forcing them to play a modded game.🙂
@@chowjappa6470 He's not. He's modding a game so that he can play the game in the way he wants...and just happens to, very generously, shared that mod with us. No one is forcing you to play Reforged.
I feel for you. I've just realized my CV I got down from 10m to 2.5m CPU max will be utterly useless against them :) I fell a long Zeus grind coming on.
They fall into the old mmo trap of turning harder enemies into bullet spoonges and rotary railguns, no skill but pure throwing the hurt on them until you win. I{ do not know if that is something i would label "fun" Yes one can attack with more people in multiplayer, but what exactly would be the point as long one did it once.
Another option for Quantums is the Xenu Fortress POI, that can be found on Barren Metal planets. Also, railguns would be much better suited for taking out POI turrets, if you get some on your SV, your life will be much easier against those bastards. Enjoy the EGS content, pls keep it coming.
Ya know, sometimes if you mention things in a really open forum like Spanj's discord or like RUclips like that it is the equivalent of saying 'Ravien please nurf.'
@@andrejunqueira4085 my faction had a do not discuss policy on things like that. Lost a lot of stuff we did before we started that. Admittedly, a lot really was cheaty.
I just did a Legacy Infector and Matter Converter in RE2 July 2024. The infector was tough but the rewards were great and the Matter Converter had many laser turrets on it. I don't do spinny spinny so I had to use my best ship the Ono by Movado andf let it do its thing. However after the thing was done being trounced it still had a decoy generator and the core, but nothing would touch them and they were only protected by some Xeno blocks which never showed any damage. I robbed it and left it. I had tried to use my newest ship the Hero V2, but it was outclassed and I had to make a run for it. The Hero takes down Zirax like nothing but wouldn't touch the Legacy stuff. I guess I'll keep using the Ono now that I have upgraded it to 347K shields with turbines bringing the consumption down to a few hundred kw.
The game is becoming more tedious, not because of any code or content issues, but because of the drama associated with those that write the code and content. If you "spinny spinny" they whine that you're cheating. I guess if you move out of the way of incoming fire you're considered a cheater. If you manage to defeat a difficult ship/poi using the proper weapons and tactics it seems to get their panties in a wad and they buff the ship/poi as soon as they can or nerf your ship/ammo. Hard can be fun, even in the absence of comparable reward, but to be forced to play a certain way using ONLY the developer's ideas of tactics isn't so fun or engaging. I guess it's the way of modern society, though. Follow the path and don't have a unique thought or you're an enemy of the establishment/state.
Or just ignore the argument entirely. If you already choose to play a non Vanilla save...then use console options to play as you prefer. The only occasions where that's not the case are where you are competing against other players ( mp pvp or solo competions) where all agree the acceptable changes. It's your game...play it how you want.🙂
@@Interdacted 👍 There's always options...private multilayer servers if you want to choose the rules..but in a public MP you accept the server rules. That doesn't work for me...so yeah..its Solo games or nothing 🙂
The Legacy ships have been beefed up all hitscan shield devouring turrets now, shields are gone in seconds. Spinning doesn't help and plastic ships melt.
Ok. I just started the tutorial for the game and got to the step "Place the survival tent".... I'll be damn if it explains or shows how to do it. I could not find any way to craft one .. nor could I find one in my inventory. How do you create/place a survival tent? Can't get past this simple step... HELP!
it should be in your inventory, if not select survival constructor on the right, iirc you can make one in there. Once you have one, place it on your toolbar and then you can place it down.
The thing we also noticed this patch and had a lot of discussion about in the faction... what worked in 1.3 and 1.4 does not always work in 1.5 and 1.6 .. we made a lot of changes to our tactics and play styles and ship designs to work out ... HOW TO ... in this version... lost a few SVs against the crashed infectors.. but had them on farm after a few changes to our tactics.. same with space legacy ships...
so the legacy space requires a dreadnought but i need legacy quantum for a dreadnought. WTF..... Hope this combat rebalance in 1.7 involves nerfing the legacy cause thats crap. We have been finding legacy in random systems away from their terrioty and harvesting them their but rng curse us with nothing but dirsupter chargers
Re brick vs dodge - brick is better ONLY IF you can't fly/fight why moving. These fights have clearly shown that you are brick player ;) You should watch some of the videos by ArtemisRouge where he showcases his ships and how they fight. Very fast kills if you know what you are doing. And cheaper, although I don't get the obsession with saving ammo and agonizing over few pennies it costs to refill at any station.
so i tried a eradicator like how Artemis flys in his video.....yeh, lost the front half of the Ayamara, nearly the core, 1 block away. getting that close to a legacy ship, to try and bullseye its core..not possible, even a bastion shield cannot take it, i got about 3 arty shots on target before i had to fall back and how fast that thing moved it chaces you and its in range still at 1.5k, shields down, that plastic armor doesn't last at all.
@@Spanj Yeah, that's exactly my experience.Well, close, I lost the entire ship (-s because of course you can't give up after just one loss , right? :). I don't know where people are getting the idea that 'spinny-spinny' is OP (or even 'cheating' as Vermillion said). Just doing the maneuver against strong enemies is _useless_, you will get wrecked. It's the knowledge/piloting of the individual that makes it powerful, not the dodging itself.
@@Spanj Verm specifically changed a number of ships since Artemis made his introduction videos (mainly because he hates how Art takes stuff down). Specifically he changed a number of turrets to be what we call 'hit-scan' meaning they autohit - because the hit is calculated by turret when it fires - not whether or not the projectile lands. Personally I hate hit-scan as a mechanic, because i think it is very misleading to players - they will see a projectile shoot, without realising that the projectile is purely cosmetic, and the hit has already landed as soon as the turret fired. Feel free to pop into the JVI (the faction me and Art are in on HWS) discord if you ever want to chat some of this stuff through, as we do regular group building / mechanics discussions on voice.
Certain textures applied with the Paint gun tool in-game have a glow map. I'd recommend hopping into a game and experimenting with the different textures until you discover which ones glow.
You are half right. For instance, xeno steel blocks have a texture unique to them glows the best. All other block types (armored/concrete, carbon composite, steel, hardened steel, combat steel) do not have this particular texture available to them. But they still have access to the textures that do glow.
if a ship is already in a playfield when you arrive its most likley a patrol ship, so you can loot those ones if you disable them. If you approach a POI and you get the reinforcement warning, those ships that arrive after that warning are a complete waste of time
Perhaps a silly question, but was this particular play field reloaded before you entered it? If it's so empty, does this mean that other players have cleared it firstst?
Something I have noticed too: SP RFE seems tuned to MP. Several of the upper end POIs simply have too many NPCs to fight for one person, and many of the space POIs call in so many higher end response CVs that beating them alone without a massive dreadnought simply will not happen.
Ravien swears this is not the case. But I have played this game for a long time, and the difference is totally noticeable.
Agreed. it doesn't take many missions before you reach a POI that has so many respawning NPCs, that it becomes a real chore.
Gotta remember that Reforged Eden is the combination of both Reforged Galaxy and Project Eden, so Vermillion is also in play here.
Glitchin into thing...yeah, I know that all too well. Like: Hello astroid-field my old friend, I came to cuddle you again. Gettin my ships nose glitched in, Zirax ambushes get the win. So I am driftin through space in my EVA-suit, until a drone shoots.... - yeah could be pretty much a song :)
If you look at the Legacy ships in the workshop you can see that not only are they overclocked on CPU but in generators as well. The NPC core turns off all checks however and allows the Eradicator to run its 96 disruptors on that NPC core plus a few generators. A player ship would implode or simply lock up.
the old infested station also DOES NOT have quantums. Vermillion removed them as he thought the stations were too easy, and allowed for to many. The new stations are s'pose to be guaranteed quantums, in an indestructible box.
Sorry it was really hard to get anything, you held out much longer than I could ever try😕. But I thank you for at least trying 😌.See you later for whatever you chose to play. Thanks for the vid.😉
Risk vs Reward ... please fix! Sad solo player noises.
I feel you Sir, after say midgame I noticed the numbers of players dropped hard this season also it s not more difficult I think but just lot s more of everything which adds to the grind and yeah ..people s time. will be there for the next vid ofcourse have a good day after this ..;-)
found the crashed infectors on the planet a lot of fun.. SV to drop the shields with fixed lasers ..pop the turrets with fixed rail guns... try to keep the shields down with turrets focused on generates...while you run in to pop the shield gen.. work out the maze of opening up everything and loot the quantum box
as a casual observer, it seems they made legacy for factions to have a challenging experience. shame if legacy loot is basically unavailable to solo players
It's not. Almost every black hole has one or two asteroid fields with 1-3 Legacy ships and/or POIs like the Anomalous station or Matter Converter. If you find one with infestor, you can either lure the Infestor away from the rest (if there are any) or the other way around, lure the others away from your target. Then you can kill and loot the Infestor alone. It will be messy in the beginning, but after few fights and few Quantums :), you will know how to kill & loot it really fast.
agree with MechanizedSoul.. can be done solo.. I personally find it easier to do not using the spinney play style with a hardened ship that does not rely just on shields and fixed Arty.. My current build is a size class 3 with a baston shield.. 4 EMP turrets and 9 Fixed Arty to do all the work... there are a lot of other turrets but they are manly for drones now days
Thanks for the video Spanj. Sorry you had such a hard time in this video. As the mod creator said below there are some balance issues that he is addressing. The ships are clearly OP and are unbalanced. I think though at the same time shield tanks are not the way to go and I think Raiven is removing the spin-spin mechanic (which myself and plenty others hate as a mechanic). As you said in the video for space you want something with loads of armor and with a lot of fixed fire guns. On the planet is think a modernised ground pounder would do the job. For anyone interested in a solid armor based capital I am presently hard at work making the 'MCRN Discovery B' for reforged, which exactly like the vanilla version will combine a heavy armor space combat ship and a ground pounder into a single hull.
Nice content as always.
Nothing about the current state of combat in Empyrion suggests "come play again". I have had many hours of fun however and I keep hoping they'll make a game of it someday. Thank goodness for these scenarios.
In soviet Empyrion, Legacy farm you.
This looks like it could be a job for the IWC strike force again. A few more colleagues helping you out will definitely make short work of those Legacy vessels and installations. ;)
Have not taken the R.F. jump yet... but over time space just seems to be getting silly hard... spend a year gathering and still not going to happen. Not dumping on the game just DAMN! If i cant solo then some of this stuff is a bit pointless. lol Again i know only what i see hehehe Good try cant always hit home runs, and you didnt lose 1 block. Still a good watch. Vermillion hates us! :)
I'm sorry to laugh but it was kinda funny especially that ending which summed up the the whole episode, poor old Spanj sounded like a broken man which I guess was the idea behind the title and thumbnail..!! 😥 No doubt the comeback will be raw aggression 🤬
😂 that is one disappointed Spanj. I feel with you. This is frustrating that there is literally no feasible reason to fight that faction anymore. Might as well focus on Taweras for Quantums.
So the way to make this harder they have made ANY POI or ship a bullet sponge with a shield and an unending amount of enemy anything, and this would work in single player HOW ? yup, like many others a big pass on this scenario until is re balanced to a point that is playable.
And then the disappearing ships are still a thing LMAO, the battles have turned in to just a " Pyrrhic " scenario in witch you win. . .your really loose and you loose and you just loose.
Yep I feel for you mate. That really was an exercise in futility 🙁
This is the unfortunate reality of Reforged Eden; a great mod and scenario being dragged down by some harsh tuning focused on server play and poor risk/cost/reward ratios.
That's not the only way to get Quantums. I kill Toveras for two guaranteed Quantums every time. No gambling
The legacy and quantums are a ammo suck now. Hours farming ammo for a chance of a quantum not a proper balance.
Agreed. That's why I switched to farming Toveras
Of course there will be a next time :-) You just showed us all a glimpse of what we feel every time we play 😛
the ridiculousness of the legacy space battles are what stopped me playing this scenario last time. think either they need a tune down, or need to be much weaker / less common when in SP mode.
i get RE is supposed to be harder, but it currently crosses the line into non-fun frustration.
Eradicator's aren't very fun to fight and the loot stinks. The infector ground bases got some steroids as well. Used a modified Groundpounder to defang one and within 15 seconds my shields were down, 3 layers of combat steel and all the bait generators were gone, breaches everywhere. Barely got it out of there while it could still fly and the infector base shields were only down to around 70%. It's all admin now so even the sapper approach is borked. Only way that I got in was tunneling and using the laser drill fill function to make a corridor to the door and again, the loot stunk.
They have gone past the balance point of a tough fight to the point of making it not fun. A couple of hundred hours on this play and haven't found one quantum, had to go aux cores and extra gens. Haven't played in weeks, first long break in 5 years. RE definitely isn't solo friendly anymore. Have you noticed that very few people are putting out RE content now? Of the 5 RE content channels that I watch only you have put out a RE vid in the last two weeks, that's very telling.
Yeah, I noticed the same thing, too much for solo play. The good stuff is behind a pay wall that is not worth it.
DONE! Time to call in Da Boyz for some epic hunting!
You gave it a good old college try. Here Here Bully !!
I'm in the neighborhood, if you need some backup with the Eradicators. My carrier is parked at Verrughi: Sun Right. I'll be off work in about 5 hours.
Annnnnd that is why i quit EGS RE for a bit lol i feel your pain spanj :) now i host a server for me and a few mates now for a bit of fun
Sorry Spanj, we may or may not have forgotten to take our core out of a couple of legacy ships.
There is [The Legacy] (teal) and [Legacy] (purple:), don't ask me why. And they can spawn in the same playfield, it's fun to fight for example [The Legacy]Devastator and Legacy Devastor next to each other. Ravien probably updated the purple version of Matter Converter.
Sad Spanj noises make me sad. I watched the the ships just teleport and merge. That was just bonkers. Hopefully you can sort that out and come back stronger!
You did fine, so I know what to say "Eleon needs to fix their @#!?"
I asked about the matter converter in our discord and the creator told me the body is indestructable. Said the best strategy is to take a heavy SV in and use that body as a shield, and snipe at the turrets. Made an SV specifically to try that, but, every one I've found is guarded by several of the heavy new ships, and I haven't been able to beat one, yet. The last time I tried, it cored my frigate. Thankfully they stop firing at that moment. I just didn't notice it cut through all that armor. It's 2 hits to destroy a combat steel or xeno block, so they rip armor apart. Made a new battleship specifically for that challenge, but, it needs 10 aux cores which I have, AND 10 of the cores from the legacy, and the new infected station never has a core, only those plasma charges. So... kinda locked up at the moment ;-). Been playing New World and Valheim ;-). I'm north of you on other side of swamp in House Bangarang ;-).
You don't lose the loot when you blow up matter converters. Target gens and be done with it. The loot boxes will be floating around in space. And it can't call in reinforcements if it's blown up 🤔
New Matter converters have admin core so they cant be blownup.. you have to take down the shield and turrets and board the converter... can be done easy.. I was like Spanj using fixed arties to pop the turrets... this was done in my size class 3 gun boat with adv shield, combat steel and zeno build.
@@ausmarvin3444 oh I gotcha. Can you not target gens and kill the power still?
@@samsquatch7285 Nope - because you can't destroy blocks on an admin core - so you can't get to the Gens.
I find the shield only ships find it a lot harder trying to use the fixed arty, I have not had a huge amount of problems taking on the legacy ships including the new ships.. using 4 EMP turrets for shields and 9 fixed Arty to pop the cores or turrets or thrusters.. its a lot easier to lead the arty shots when not spinning all over the place worrying about getting hit and losing shields
I can understand Spanjs frustration here...the end game..particularly in Reforged seems pretty bankrupt. RE gives us SO much more In terms of firepower and content than Vanilla...but looks like it had to ramp up the end game difficulty and grind to maintain a challenge...I suspect particularly for MP groups ( slightly off thread..but I also wonder how shield fighter style combat holds up combined with MP lag? Not well I suspect, tho I haven't seen anyone try it)
I'm still enjoying Empyrion ( Vanilla and Reforged,) in the early to mid game...with plenty of "cheese" ( console cheats and shopping at the IMall to make the game playable for me,) and taking a no pressure no grind approach. But I can respect and understand how grind and frustrating it is for you "dairy free" high end players...doubly so for mod and dev teams trying to extend the fun gameplay even deeper into endgame...not an easy balance to hit..particularly since MP and Solo style play inhabit the same space.
Could this be the end of Spanj EGS content? I hope not...but it's got to be harder and harder to make each new episode fresh and entertaining...especially since so much of what makes EGS fun doesn't easily translate to a video series. If there was an easy fix..It'd be fixed..if its a harder fix, for Spanj or EGS we will see...Good luck.
I keep playing, and will keep watching, for as long as I can tho 😎👍
Legacy have always been a coin toss when it comes to quantums, just takes persistance. Also Spanj want to let you know for the Symbiots, sental flak turrets work beautifully with gats they die quicker, plus lasers get damage reduction against drones. : \. the ammunition amount that ship hold is enough to take out the other ships, its just a matter of 1) the experience of the spinny playstyle 2)just knowing the ships. The eradicators you can genuinly target the generators to take them out, same with the devestators. Targeting turrets are just going to waste more ammo than it would take to incapacitate them. either way love your videos as always. always look forward to your videos no matter what you play :D
I guess one of the reasons i don't play RE anymore is the huge waste of time while grinding. Call me weak and unpatient, but i'm not sitting through hundreds of hours on this, watching Spanj doing it is pain enough. The rewards in this game aren't worth it anymore, which is sad, because RE is actually a great mod on the story and overall possibilities. It would be more realistic and fun if the damage output of all weapons is increased to 1000%. Why? Check real WWI and WW2 battleship battles and how many large caliber shots or bombs you need to sink a dreadnought for example.
Hi Spanj , Getting those ground based poi’s for the quantum’s is something we farm. It is all about getting the targeting fixed on a turret you then hide, then these are defanged quite quickly. My cv will do these out of the box at T4 but they are tricky if it’s just one of those days where terrain is not helpful. Standard tactics we have found are not very effective.
All the best
Alkemmi
There seems to be a problem with your Legacy homeworld. It's spawned all vanilla POIs on the planet and in orbit and none of the Reforged ones.
You got the new Matter Converter in the asteroid field, but the vanilla one in planetary orbit.
1.7 will see an overhaul of combat mechanics since as you noticed, it's not quite fair at the moment because of those "spinny-spinny" ships ruining the gameplay meta for everyone.
WHAT?!?! I started to write longer response but YT is horrible for discussion, I'll post it on Reddit. But seriously, do not ruin the dodging playstyle.
Huu? What is wrong with agile ships? Eve for example has shield tanks and armor... while shield has its times, armor also has its value. Why are u trying to make ppl play one style in a sandbox game no less.
How tf does a how u put it ''spinny spinny" ship ruin anything for ANYONE? Not everyone feels like being retarded and standing still and getting shot to shit hopeing that does the job, some ppl like to use piloting skill and actual technique to tackle space battles. On another note these pois are a little more challenging but still more than doable for a single person, I've done it myself and the CV I did it in was barely size class 2.64 with slightly over 50 turrets, mind you all upgraded but still.
Well said.
This is your vision of EGS..and you put the time and effort into making it work...and adding so much to the basic game. And, more than that, you are taking the time and effort to share it with the rest of us.
If folks are not pleased with where you decide to make your changes work...well, no one is forcing them to play a modded game.🙂
@@chowjappa6470 He's not. He's modding a game so that he can play the game in the way he wants...and just happens to, very generously, shared that mod with us.
No one is forcing you to play Reforged.
I feel for you. I've just realized my CV I got down from 10m to 2.5m CPU max will be utterly useless against them :) I fell a long Zeus grind coming on.
They fall into the old mmo trap of turning harder enemies into bullet spoonges and rotary railguns, no skill but pure throwing the hurt on them until you win.
I{ do not know if that is something i would label "fun"
Yes one can attack with more people in multiplayer, but what exactly would be the point as long one did it once.
Another option for Quantums is the Xenu Fortress POI, that can be found on Barren Metal planets. Also, railguns would be much better suited for taking out POI turrets, if you get some on your SV, your life will be much easier against those bastards. Enjoy the EGS content, pls keep it coming.
Ya know, sometimes if you mention things in a really open forum like Spanj's discord or like RUclips like that it is the equivalent of saying 'Ravien please nurf.'
@@dunnpahineh640 Yeah, 'cause those infos that I put here are rly big secrets at this point...
@@andrejunqueira4085 my faction had a do not discuss policy on things like that. Lost a lot of stuff we did before we started that. Admittedly, a lot really was cheaty.
Empyrion Wahoo!
I just did a Legacy Infector and Matter Converter in RE2 July 2024. The infector was tough but the rewards were great and the Matter Converter had many laser turrets on it. I don't do spinny spinny so I had to use my best ship the Ono by Movado andf let it do its thing. However after the thing was done being trounced it still had a decoy generator and the core, but nothing would touch them and they were only protected by some Xeno blocks which never showed any damage. I robbed it and left it.
I had tried to use my newest ship the Hero V2, but it was outclassed and I had to make a run for it. The Hero takes down Zirax like nothing but wouldn't touch the Legacy stuff. I guess I'll keep using the Ono now that I have upgraded it to 347K shields with turbines bringing the consumption down to a few hundred kw.
Wow. That’s insane.
The game is becoming more tedious, not because of any code or content issues, but because of the drama associated with those that write the code and content. If you "spinny spinny" they whine that you're cheating. I guess if you move out of the way of incoming fire you're considered a cheater. If you manage to defeat a difficult ship/poi using the proper weapons and tactics it seems to get their panties in a wad and they buff the ship/poi as soon as they can or nerf your ship/ammo. Hard can be fun, even in the absence of comparable reward, but to be forced to play a certain way using ONLY the developer's ideas of tactics isn't so fun or engaging. I guess it's the way of modern society, though. Follow the path and don't have a unique thought or you're an enemy of the establishment/state.
Or just ignore the argument entirely. If you already choose to play a non Vanilla save...then use console options to play as you prefer. The only occasions where that's not the case are where you are competing against other players ( mp pvp or solo competions) where all agree the acceptable changes.
It's your game...play it how you want.🙂
SP for life got no body keeping me down. XD
@@Interdacted 👍 There's always options...private multilayer servers if you want to choose the rules..but in a public MP you accept the server rules.
That doesn't work for me...so yeah..its Solo games or nothing 🙂
@@solospirit4212 or put all kinds of this crap on the game settings list, ya know toggles - hard to do i am sure - to make it user friendly.... but...
@@sanguineshade9545 Would be nice 😁
The Legacy ships have been beefed up all hitscan shield devouring turrets now, shields are gone in seconds. Spinning doesn't help and plastic ships melt.
Ok. I just started the tutorial for the game and got to the step "Place the survival tent".... I'll be damn if it explains or shows how to do it. I could not find any way to craft one .. nor could I find one in my inventory. How do you create/place a survival tent? Can't get past this simple step... HELP!
it should be in your inventory, if not select survival constructor on the right, iirc you can make one in there. Once you have one, place it on your toolbar and then you can place it down.
so painful too watch. It's a big part of why I stopped playing. The grind is fine bt making the endgame impossible is just meh.
The thing we also noticed this patch and had a lot of discussion about in the faction... what worked in 1.3 and 1.4 does not always work in 1.5 and 1.6 .. we made a lot of changes to our tactics and play styles and ship designs to work out ... HOW TO ... in this version... lost a few SVs against the crashed infectors.. but had them on farm after a few changes to our tactics.. same with space legacy ships...
That infested station doesn't regenerate right? Why not pop a core on it and search for the quantum box in the p menu?
cannot put cores in regenerating bases
Seems so many people play this in clans.....that it is now clan based gameplay.......go figure.
did the guy with the god complex, remove the Q cores from the downed infectors on the home world also?
no the infectors on planet still have Q cores
How do you get an advanced core? The Thing you exchanged with the normal core?
I'm from brazil. Good movies, i like all :)
so the legacy space requires a dreadnought but i need legacy quantum for a dreadnought. WTF..... Hope this combat rebalance in 1.7 involves nerfing the legacy cause thats crap. We have been finding legacy in random systems away from their terrioty and harvesting them their but rng curse us with nothing but dirsupter chargers
nice ships, any BP available?
Maybe you can tp while in your seat? That should tp your ship with you but not the zeus I think? There must be a way to fix that abortion of ships...
yes, i had to TP to orbit and fly back
Re brick vs dodge - brick is better ONLY IF you can't fly/fight why moving. These fights have clearly shown that you are brick player ;) You should watch some of the videos by ArtemisRouge where he showcases his ships and how they fight. Very fast kills if you know what you are doing. And cheaper, although I don't get the obsession with saving ammo and agonizing over few pennies it costs to refill at any station.
so i tried a eradicator like how Artemis flys in his video.....yeh, lost the front half of the Ayamara, nearly the core, 1 block away. getting that close to a legacy ship, to try and bullseye its core..not possible, even a bastion shield cannot take it, i got about 3 arty shots on target before i had to fall back and how fast that thing moved it chaces you and its in range still at 1.5k, shields down, that plastic armor doesn't last at all.
@@Spanj Yeah, that's exactly my experience.Well, close, I lost the entire ship (-s because of course you can't give up after just one loss , right? :). I don't know where people are getting the idea that 'spinny-spinny' is OP (or even 'cheating' as Vermillion said). Just doing the maneuver against strong enemies is _useless_, you will get wrecked. It's the knowledge/piloting of the individual that makes it powerful, not the dodging itself.
@@Spanj Verm specifically changed a number of ships since Artemis made his introduction videos (mainly because he hates how Art takes stuff down). Specifically he changed a number of turrets to be what we call 'hit-scan' meaning they autohit - because the hit is calculated by turret when it fires - not whether or not the projectile lands. Personally I hate hit-scan as a mechanic, because i think it is very misleading to players - they will see a projectile shoot, without realising that the projectile is purely cosmetic, and the hit has already landed as soon as the turret fired. Feel free to pop into the JVI (the faction me and Art are in on HWS) discord if you ever want to chat some of this stuff through, as we do regular group building / mechanics discussions on voice.
I am still trying to figure out how to do the glowy bits on the ships - can not find a tutorial
Certain textures applied with the Paint gun tool in-game have a glow map. I'd recommend hopping into a game and experimenting with the different textures until you discover which ones glow.
In addition to VV comment, only some block types glow.
You are half right. For instance, xeno steel blocks have a texture unique to them glows the best. All other block types (armored/concrete, carbon composite, steel, hardened steel, combat steel) do not have this particular texture available to them. But they still have access to the textures that do glow.
im pretty much new to taking on ships, how do i know which ones are lootable and which ones despawn?
if a ship is already in a playfield when you arrive its most likley a patrol ship, so you can loot those ones if you disable them. If you approach a POI and you get the reinforcement warning, those ships that arrive after that warning are a complete waste of time
Ah great cheers for the answer, im miles away from doing anything like that yet but good to know.
Perhaps a silly question, but was this particular play field reloaded before you entered it? If it's so empty, does this mean that other players have cleared it firstst?
it was not and yes, other players most likley killed off the other Patrol ships
whats the name of you challenged some legs with?
96 blaster cannon turrets on that monkey, along with a few other weapons. And the ability to spawn drones just to mess your targeting up.
Stopped playing Empyrion after i realized that the ships from JRandal became battlewise crap.
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try going underground