Kinda miss the point of the lesson. Palpatine IS in pain around the crystal. He doesn't deny the pain. He embraces the suffering as fuel for his power. Yes, Vader is always in pain. But, he defies it. There is no Pleasure from it.
Not only that. Them binding colors to persnalities and having them change depending on who wields them is a moronic change. This was never a thing in the old EU.
@@CommanderBohn Exactly. It's almost as if they don't respect the intelligence of the audience. If I was in charge I'd give them the benefit of the doubt to accept the variety of crystals and their unique properties as well
… but… but… this is the exact same thing Vader says to Luke? Also, if the Exegol fleet was already built, why did it take *40 years* to use them? And why bother wasting all those resources on a second Death Star, when you could use them making a larger fleet. Nothing about this makes sense. Everything about the sequel trilogy is just so much pudoo…
I'm mostly ok with the khyber crystals not being explored too in depth, because they create potentially lore shattering consequences. As cool as unique lightsaber crystals sounds, some of them are described as being able to "cleave another lightsaber in half". Well, that's a really, really bad idea from a story perspective. In the movies, we've only ever seen lightsabers fight on par with one another, with the weapon itself never being the deciding factor. If you suddenly add in crystals that allow a lightsaber to break another lightsaber, you've opened a can of worms you will never be able to stuff back in. You'll get powercreep in lightsabers that will destroy lightsabers as a concept. The lightsaber itself will cease to be important. Only the crystal will be important. I don't really want to see that.
Yes, let me give another example, it has been established that individuals are born with different sensitivity to the force, with potential to increase capacity to use the force through training. Sometimes is better to leave concepts alone, the idea was there, but as soon as George implemented specific details it kind of made it worse (midichlorians). Anyway, time goes on and Vader loses his potential in the force because he has been corrupted mentally and physically, so now Palpatine remains the stronger Sith, makes sense. But now you have a... Kyber crystal that sort of augments your power? Apparently this Kyber crystal gives you (in Sidious's words) "unlimited power...", I understand it's an additive to a Sith..... So the Jedi have it easier then, they don't have to torture the crystals to "corrupt" them, the Jedi who wears the biggest, heaviest Kyber crystal armor wins? Now you don't need the chosen one! Oh but even though it augments your abilities in the force only Palpie can use it, not Vader, Vader screams. Okay I think I've seen enough😅 Cool drawings though I loved them.
I was thinking the same thing too. There was at least a little bit of Anakin still in Darth Vader. Palpatine had absolutely no speck of good in him so that’s why he didn’t feel pain too
Vader and Anakin are the same person.Embracing the dark side doesn’t mean that you can’t have thoughts about redeeming yourself.There’s no such thing as fully embracing the dark side or embracing it only partially,you either are a Force user or a dark sider.Anakin has chosen the dark side,it has nothing to do with having light or dark in oneself,serving the dark side is a decision.
I'm with you. A Sith hopeful meditating for weeks or months to synthesize a red crystal from sheer will is so much more "metal" than that bleeding crystal jackassery.
These bogus comics have become nothing but Palpatine vs Vader. The stuff between them is so intense it makes no sense within the canon of the movies. It is extremely lame.
Okay before I get to the impact this has on the original triology let's address something: Palpatine isn't in pain from his mountain of bleeding Kyber, which I have to again pause to admire this, it's because of one thing nobody ever seems to notice: he has only himself. His love of power is his only love and because of it he can never feel true pain from another being and experience this as suffering. To him it's a fine wine and correction in their nature. All things should be in pain and bow to Sidious. Also this is explains why Vader is so loyal to Sidious. He didn't just break him in one movie he continued t torture Vader until only a sliver of Anakin Skywalker remained and Vader LOATHED that light in himself instinctually. Sidous knew Vader would attempt to betray him but not to fulfill some ancient prophecy no he would destroy Sidious when the time was right and take his place as The Dark Lord of the Sith!! Power unending! Then Sidious would arise again from the dead and take his place to remind Vader who was the Master of his destiny. Comics Sidious as actually better than film Sidious because we see just how depraved and scheming he really is. Like think about the forethought he put into all these plans and the risks he ran allowing Vader to rebel but being sure that he would always return to kneel.
😂😂😂😂 yeah no not really as Anakin and Luke are the chosen ones their force abilities literally know no bounds as explain in the early clone wars Anakin has the ability to become more powerful the actual representations of the force the force gods
So this fleet sat around since the Palpatine's reign and he just... DIDN'T use it? Kinda makes him look like a dumbfuck for not using what were effectively MULTIPLE death stars. Only a few here seem to agree this makes NO SENSE??
Trying to justify the sequels just isn't working. The stories are rushed and unbalanced. It all but completely nullifies the need for most of the events of the previous movies. The story's been butchered at the hands of the dark mouse
Rewatch the movies, the sequels build on the other trilogies, with Anakin, Luke, and all the other Jedi helping to defeat the Eternal Emperor Palpatine
Palpatine was stronger than Vader but not by as much. George Lucas said Vader was 80% as strong as Palpatine which is still really strong and only leaves a 20% difference.
@@DatMandalorian He is only 20% more powerful according to GL, thats not so much that he should manhandle Vader every single time they come into conflict. Disney canon doesnt say Vader's physical injuries are what is holding him back, its his mental injuries. That being said, Palps is not worlds stronger than Vader. Its always plot armor that shows Palps as that much stronger because otherwise there is nobody else in SW that can be a threat to Vader, and if theres no conflict or threat to Vader then it wouldnt be much of an exciting story to follow.
20% stronger in the force, on top of being one of the most powerful force lightning user ever, then on top of having mentally enslaving Vader, has more knowledge and experience in the force, completely in tune with the dark side compared to Vader who still have that tiniest bit of a light holding him back. They didn’t nerf Vader, Palpatine have been dominating Vader since the EU era. Vader is YOU, but Palpatine is HIM
Sidious is the purest depiction of a psychopath that there is. I think the only reason that Vader was affected but Sidious wasn't is because Sidious is incapable of feeling empathy or anything else. The crystal isn't in physical pain (that we'd be able to recognize) but it's in agony, which is fundamentally different from pain in philosophical terms.
I don't care what kind of power you have. If it melts flesh as the video said, not even Palpatine should survive. He never should have been in the new movies.
I sort of combined my thoughts of this video with how he survived being thrown into the Death Star Core by Darth Vader. He may want unlimited power, but that was ridiculous.
The problem with Kira, much like Darth Maul, was that she was too cocky and underestimated her opponents. Specifically, she thought she could take on Vader, which was an absurd notion.
Not only that but the fleet makes the Sequels and part of the Originals make even less sense. Thrawn and a few other officers had complained that the resources of the galaxy went to building a single Death Star instead of a large encompassing fleet. We now know that Palpatine had both a Death Star and a fleet. So why does he lose then? Also, if he just switches bodies why doesn`t he just continue the war with his remaining fleet? The whole thing makes no sense.
@@cowboybeboop9420 not to mention, why build the deathstars if you can make star destroyers that are just as powerful? I mean maybe we can assume it was when building the original deathstar that the tech was developed, but if that's the case, why build the second one instead of dedicating that time, effort and materials to finishing even just a few of these planet killer star destroyers?
Any one know for sure who came up with the idea that kyber crystals have to suffer to bleed red and generate so much power? Because I'm pretty sure it wasn't Lucas, but I'm not 100% sure
@@TheGuyYouStillDontKnowalso as soon as kyber chrystal and the comic was mentioned I knew what the video was about. That was enough to know the video was extremely good.
Is this what the prophecy meant? That Anakin would bring ballance to the force by killing Palpatine? Even when he had to go to the dark side for most his life? Talk about jobs nobody wants.
Going to the dark side was his decision alone and not the Will Of the Force.The ROTS novel states that Anakin doesn’t listen to the Will Of The Force but only to himself.
@ledzeppelin820 Your hatred towards Rey is unjustifiable. You just hate her because you are part of a hate bandwagon cult. It's quite clear that you can't think for yourself.
@@chandlersleziak6416 Not at all mate i love so many female characters dont assume i hate them :). i dislike her because she had bad character development and was able to defeat kylo ren instantly and just had an anoying attitude imo. but u didnt answer my question why do you think shes a good character
Power and immortality in all, does that crystal grant absolute control of one's destiny, or is there a terrible price to pay for any who seek power of total power, which leads to becoming either darker or filled with an aim to rule everything and Vader may regret where his heading if his destiny is not to becoming emperor for himself, and possibly changing from darkness to the light of the Forse a conflict of consciousness and doubts he has always tried to keep hidden deep inside his mind, but even this betrays him with views of his son Luke. Of course, this is only one possible outcome of many in the destinies of the forces? Crystal or not, Anikin Skywalker is still part of his subconscious, a rare opportunity for a future event, perhaps as future events will unfold from this point on? Possibly in an alternative time, Vader could draw a new line in the cosmic scheme of his own destiny without failure, an option to become emperor by becoming a Sith and Jedi master and becoming the Chosen One Red Vader Emperor Master Of The Federation and Forse? Destiny Vader and Skywalker's family, Lea , Luke, and Han, and many stories might be a different path, not Chose? I recall the movie The Man Who Would Be King and a book from which taken from and wonder if this could apply to Vader?
Of course vader is destined to destroy Palpatine, it is quite simply the rule of 2, and both plagueis and sidious said it, gone are the old days when an apprentice must be more powerful, simply more cunning, and by staying close to the emperor, vader is right next to his greatest adversary.
I'm not going to let Disney or Star Wars "purists" stop me from enjoying what comes out of Star Wars. I've been loving these comics and I've got very few complaints about the sequel trilogy or what came after the Disney acquisition. Just goes to show you can't please everybody because those same people complained about the prequels 🤷🏾
Kinda miss the point of the lesson.
Palpatine IS in pain around the crystal.
He doesn't deny the pain. He embraces the suffering as fuel for his power.
Yes, Vader is always in pain. But, he defies it. There is no Pleasure from it.
So basically Palpatine is the Galaxy's biggest Masochist?
@@hallowedgrimm5954 Why do you think Death Sticks are in such high demand?
They messed up the whole crystal thing with the bleeding bullshit.
It's infinitely more interesting than just being able to somehow build a magic crystal like the Sith did in legends.
Too generous, aren't we?
I'd say it adds more depth than red blades being used by dark siders just because that's the trend.
Not only that. Them binding colors to persnalities and having them change depending on who wields them is a moronic change.
This was never a thing in the old EU.
@@CommanderBohn Exactly. It's almost as if they don't respect the intelligence of the audience. If I was in charge I'd give them the benefit of the doubt to accept the variety of crystals and their unique properties as well
… but… but… this is the exact same thing Vader says to Luke?
Also, if the Exegol fleet was already built, why did it take *40 years* to use them? And why bother wasting all those resources on a second Death Star, when you could use them making a larger fleet. Nothing about this makes sense. Everything about the sequel trilogy is just so much pudoo…
It's like poetry, it rhymes
"Why waste resources on a Death Star" is the exact reason the Empire failed, my guy. The Tarkin Doctrine is the very reason the Empire fell at all
I'm mostly ok with the khyber crystals not being explored too in depth, because they create potentially lore shattering consequences. As cool as unique lightsaber crystals sounds, some of them are described as being able to "cleave another lightsaber in half". Well, that's a really, really bad idea from a story perspective. In the movies, we've only ever seen lightsabers fight on par with one another, with the weapon itself never being the deciding factor. If you suddenly add in crystals that allow a lightsaber to break another lightsaber, you've opened a can of worms you will never be able to stuff back in. You'll get powercreep in lightsabers that will destroy lightsabers as a concept. The lightsaber itself will cease to be important. Only the crystal will be important. I don't really want to see that.
Yes, let me give another example, it has been established that individuals are born with different sensitivity to the force, with potential to increase capacity to use the force through training. Sometimes is better to leave concepts alone, the idea was there, but as soon as George implemented specific details it kind of made it worse (midichlorians).
Anyway, time goes on and Vader loses his potential in the force because he has been corrupted mentally and physically, so now Palpatine remains the stronger Sith, makes sense.
But now you have a... Kyber crystal that sort of augments your power?
Apparently this Kyber crystal gives you (in Sidious's words) "unlimited power...", I understand it's an additive to a Sith..... So the Jedi have it easier then, they don't have to torture the crystals to "corrupt" them, the Jedi who wears the biggest, heaviest Kyber crystal armor wins? Now you don't need the chosen one!
Oh but even though it augments your abilities in the force only Palpie can use it, not Vader, Vader screams.
Okay I think I've seen enough😅
Cool drawings though I loved them.
To me it kinda proves Anakin is stil in there not fully embrace the Darkside.
That's exactly what I was thinking when I first seen this story.
I was thinking the same thing too. There was at least a little bit of Anakin still in Darth Vader. Palpatine had absolutely no speck of good in him so that’s why he didn’t feel pain too
yeah well Luke's been saying that for years. "There is still good in him....I've felt it.".
Vader and Anakin are the same person.Embracing the dark side doesn’t mean that you can’t have thoughts about redeeming yourself.There’s no such thing as fully embracing the dark side or embracing it only partially,you either are a Force user or a dark sider.Anakin has chosen the dark side,it has nothing to do with having light or dark in oneself,serving the dark side is a decision.
I want to see Teal, Pink and Beige lightsabers in the saga.
All that power and all Vader had to do was lift him over his head and throw him off a ledge....
Palpatine was force-drunk and caught off guard by vader in his moment of triumph. Thats why Vader beat him
@JohnDoe-vm2di similar to how Palpatine killed Plagueis
Honestly I kind of hate this kyber crystal lore Disney added
I'm with you. A Sith hopeful meditating for weeks or months to synthesize a red crystal from sheer will is so much more "metal" than that bleeding crystal jackassery.
Wait, so now you literally have to beat up a kyber crystal to make it bleed?
That's right. It's literally a rape And torture. With your mind as the tool.
Yeah, such a cup of sh!t, huh?
If you're a cultist with no real power yes.
These bogus comics have become nothing but Palpatine vs Vader. The stuff between them is so intense it makes no sense within the canon of the movies. It is extremely lame.
Kyber crystal is such kiddy bs… Disney sucks so bad with all our beloved characters
Okay before I get to the impact this has on the original triology let's address something: Palpatine isn't in pain from his mountain of bleeding Kyber, which I have to again pause to admire this, it's because of one thing nobody ever seems to notice: he has only himself. His love of power is his only love and because of it he can never feel true pain from another being and experience this as suffering. To him it's a fine wine and correction in their nature. All things should be in pain and bow to Sidious.
Also this is explains why Vader is so loyal to Sidious. He didn't just break him in one movie he continued t torture Vader until only a sliver of Anakin Skywalker remained and Vader LOATHED that light in himself instinctually. Sidous knew Vader would attempt to betray him but not to fulfill some ancient prophecy no he would destroy Sidious when the time was right and take his place as The Dark Lord of the Sith!! Power unending!
Then Sidious would arise again from the dead and take his place to remind Vader who was the Master of his destiny. Comics Sidious as actually better than film Sidious because we see just how depraved and scheming he really is. Like think about the forethought he put into all these plans and the risks he ran allowing Vader to rebel but being sure that he would always return to kneel.
Only for the comic's case it's 100% BOLLOCKS
Power scaling in Star Wars comics is all over the place tbh. Darth Vader isn’t Goku when it comes the force, his power has limits.
😂😂😂😂 yeah no not really as Anakin and Luke are the chosen ones their force abilities literally know no bounds as explain in the early clone wars Anakin has the ability to become more powerful the actual representations of the force the force gods
So this fleet sat around since the Palpatine's reign and he just... DIDN'T use it? Kinda makes him look like a dumbfuck for not using what were effectively MULTIPLE death stars. Only a few here seem to agree this makes NO SENSE??
What if Qui-gon jinn trained anakin skywalker from birth and anakin skywalker became a jedi sentinel. Kind regards from Daniel Harman.
Trying to justify the sequels just isn't working. The stories are rushed and unbalanced. It all but completely nullifies the need for most of the events of the previous movies. The story's been butchered at the hands of the dark mouse
Bro Disney is ruining the balance
They have to start somewhere,stop stating the obvious and just hope for the best,repeating this over and over like a bot does no one no good.
The stories aren’t rushed or unbalanced? The movies are good, and it adds to the lore, not take away from it…
@ChaosReprobate You're 100% wrong about everything that you just said. The Sequels were great. Stop crying about a bunch of nothing.
Rewatch the movies, the sequels build on the other trilogies, with Anakin, Luke, and all the other Jedi helping to defeat the Eternal Emperor Palpatine
I hate how much they nerf Vader. Palpatine isnt THAT much more powerful than Vader
Yes Palpatine IS that much more powerful...and they didn't nerf Vader, he nerfed himself when he lost to Obi Wan on Mustafar.
Palpatine is the unlimited sith
Palpatine was stronger than Vader but not by as much. George Lucas said Vader was 80% as strong as Palpatine which is still really strong and only leaves a 20% difference.
@@DatMandalorian He is only 20% more powerful according to GL, thats not so much that he should manhandle Vader every single time they come into conflict. Disney canon doesnt say Vader's physical injuries are what is holding him back, its his mental injuries. That being said, Palps is not worlds stronger than Vader. Its always plot armor that shows Palps as that much stronger because otherwise there is nobody else in SW that can be a threat to Vader, and if theres no conflict or threat to Vader then it wouldnt be much of an exciting story to follow.
20% stronger in the force, on top of being one of the most powerful force lightning user ever, then on top of having mentally enslaving Vader, has more knowledge and experience in the force, completely in tune with the dark side compared to Vader who still have that tiniest bit of a light holding him back. They didn’t nerf Vader, Palpatine have been dominating Vader since the EU era. Vader is YOU, but Palpatine is HIM
Call it “canon” all you want, this stuff is every bit the fan fic legends ever was
Don't know, I'd probably call the new canon "Fan Fuc". At least the Legends stuff respected the brand and the lore, for the most part.
@@LarsonPettythe early stuff was good, but it got pretty bad eventually too
5:34 Palpy said the quote!
For the last time, it’s _kaiburr_ and only a specific TYPE of crystal.
A Kirby crystal.
corona crystal@@JacobGen
3:06
It's CommentBait...
Yeah, narh. It’s a Clobber crystal…
Enough with the jokes already. Kaiburr is the correct way. End of story, goodbye. The End. @@duckmcf
Sidious is the purest depiction of a psychopath that there is. I think the only reason that Vader was affected but Sidious wasn't is because Sidious is incapable of feeling empathy or anything else. The crystal isn't in physical pain (that we'd be able to recognize) but it's in agony, which is fundamentally different from pain in philosophical terms.
So what did they finally release? Cause this comic issue has been out for quite the while.
"it melts your skin away"
Vader - "Jokes on you I already did that"
I don't care what kind of power you have. If it melts flesh as the video said, not even Palpatine should survive. He never should have been in the new movies.
Palpatine’s force barrier is far stronger
Sidious has pre-melted flesh; he is immune. Like Chicken Pox.🐔
I sort of combined my thoughts of this video with how he survived being thrown into the Death Star Core by Darth Vader. He may want unlimited power, but that was ridiculous.
Star Wars comics: 0:00-0:02
Me: okay… i guess i won’t believe it then
Good story huh? Imma end this whole story's career
-Darth Disneyues
We need a palpatine show
The problem with Kira, much like Darth Maul, was that she was too cocky and underestimated her opponents. Specifically, she thought she could take on Vader, which was an absurd notion.
This stories are all fine, but in the end it just needs an untrained woman to kill Palpatine. So no big deal :)
the death star crystal needs more lore
Yes it does need more lore
why did they make the mini deathstars a thing i hate it XD
the exegol fleet could've won the war .
if only they knew how to move upwards without a beacon to guide them. 🤡🗺
Not only that but the fleet makes the Sequels and part of the Originals make even less sense.
Thrawn and a few other officers had complained that the resources of the galaxy went to building a single Death Star instead of a large encompassing fleet. We now know that Palpatine had both a Death Star and a fleet. So why does he lose then? Also, if he just switches bodies why doesn`t he just continue the war with his remaining fleet?
The whole thing makes no sense.
@@cowboybeboop9420 not to mention, why build the deathstars if you can make star destroyers that are just as powerful?
I mean maybe we can assume it was when building the original deathstar that the tech was developed, but if that's the case, why build the second one instead of dedicating that time, effort and materials to finishing even just a few of these planet killer star destroyers?
totally.
in the disney alternate universe anything is possible, even if it's illogical, contradicting or just flat out idiotic.
@@johnpatz8395 It's about troop movement. Star Destroyers can hold up to 45,000 - 50,000 people, a Death Star could sustain 1.2 million.
Any one know for sure who came up with the idea that kyber crystals have to suffer to bleed red and generate so much power? Because I'm pretty sure it wasn't Lucas, but I'm not 100% sure
It was first mentioned and shown in the Darth Vader comic series in 2017.
Og star wars the sith red crystal was manufactured
Star Wars is the most unique thing ever!
The fact that you commenters canters can't get names right means you don't really know Star Wars. Who is Goku? Who is Ray? It's Kyber Crystal.
feel like if i seen it before
Yes, Papa was destroyed in the last Jedi movie. But he still came back as a force ghost, which intern he was obviated finally in the end later on.
WTF did you just say to me?
@@AlbeezKneez 🤣🤣
didn't this come out years ago?
I would like it if you said which comics you're pulling from instead of just "The Comics", I'd like to read the comics and then come back to the video
Absolutely love it! And also the video is so perfect bro👍🏼
bro watched the video in 7 seconds lmao
@@TheGuyYouStillDontKnow I actually skipped ahead to watch main bits
@@TheGuyYouStillDontKnowalso as soon as kyber chrystal and the comic was mentioned I knew what the video was about. That was enough to know the video was extremely good.
Mounting him what??????
ngl i came here fully expecting gta 6
So did I until I saw the kyber chrystals before he even spoke lol
Even the most powerful of the Old Republic Jedi or Sith wouldn't be able to look far enough into the future to see that....
Is this what the prophecy meant? That Anakin would bring ballance to the force by killing Palpatine? Even when he had to go to the dark side for most his life? Talk about jobs nobody wants.
Going to the dark side was his decision alone and not the Will Of the Force.The ROTS novel states that Anakin doesn’t listen to the Will Of The Force but only to himself.
I hate ray even more now
Well, they're giving us three more movies just to make sure.
@ledzeppelin820 Your hatred towards Rey is unjustifiable. You just hate her because you are part of a hate bandwagon cult. It's quite clear that you can't think for yourself.
@@chandlersleziak6416 how?? rey is an anoying character finn shoulda been the jedi imo. could u explain why you enjoy rey as a character
@@Hyde_way1 She's not annoying at all bud. You just sound like you hate her because she's a chick.
@@chandlersleziak6416 Not at all mate i love so many female characters dont assume i hate them :). i dislike her because she had bad character development and was able to defeat kylo ren instantly and just had an anoying attitude imo. but u didnt answer my question why do you think shes a good character
Power and immortality in all, does that crystal grant absolute control of one's destiny, or is there a terrible price to pay for any who seek power of total power, which leads to becoming either darker or filled with an aim to rule everything and Vader may regret where his heading if his destiny is not to becoming emperor for himself, and possibly changing from darkness to the light of the Forse a conflict of consciousness and doubts he has always tried to keep hidden deep inside his mind, but even this betrays him with views of his son Luke. Of course, this is only one possible outcome of many in the destinies of the forces? Crystal or not, Anikin Skywalker is still part of his subconscious, a rare opportunity for a future event, perhaps as future events will unfold from this point on? Possibly in an alternative time, Vader could draw a new line in the cosmic scheme of his own destiny without failure, an option to become emperor by becoming a Sith and Jedi master and becoming the Chosen One Red Vader Emperor Master Of The Federation and Forse? Destiny Vader and Skywalker's family, Lea , Luke, and Han, and many stories might be a different path, not Chose?
I recall the movie The Man Who Would Be King and a book from which taken from and wonder if this could apply to Vader?
He better come back from the dead. I feel like Star Wars needs him to live.
Nahhh
This is amazing
Of course vader is destined to destroy Palpatine, it is quite simply the rule of 2, and both plagueis and sidious said it, gone are the old days when an apprentice must be more powerful, simply more cunning, and by staying close to the emperor, vader is right next to his greatest adversary.
Thanks 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 👼🏻🎁🕯🎄📯🎶
Not good.
I'm not going to let Disney or Star Wars "purists" stop me from enjoying what comes out of Star Wars. I've been loving these comics and I've got very few complaints about the sequel trilogy or what came after the Disney acquisition. Just goes to show you can't please everybody because those same people complained about the prequels 🤷🏾
We complain because it doesn't make any sense.
Disney Star Wars is horrible
You shill.
Nice art, BS writing.
If star wars is that bad then just stop watching it and moaning