1995's Snetterton Track day SHOOTOUT - Ducati 916 VS Honda CBR 600F
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Join me and these 2 awesome 1995 bikes for a couple of laps around Snetterton to find out which one is faster!!
We took the bikes down to Snetterton on Monday 29/05/2023 for a bank holiday track day and it was a belter of a day! Loads of fun, great company and some fast track time on the bikes.
Let me know what you think of these bikes down in the comments section and if could give the video a thumbs up and hit the subscribe button that would be awesome. Thanks for watching and see you on the next one 🔥
saw a guy on one these old Ducatis going down the freeway. the sound of it was amazing. But I do love the sound of my f3
The Ducati 916 is still in my opinion the most beautiful bike Ducati have built, the newer stuff might be faster but the look of the 916 is still a hard one to beat. Mind you a 500 quid CBR where did you find that I must start looking on the classifieds.
I think so too!! What an amazing machine, it was a dream come true to have one for a while to be honest! Even if it was the cheapest one on eBay haha! Stunning bike. CBR was from a friend who needed the money out of it, not bad for a non runner! Thanks for watching 👍
I agree with You, back in the day the Ducati 916 was every young man's dream. It still has stood the test of time and I still want one till this day and good luck finding one or a 95 CBR600 in decent condition. Oh the good old days.
In 1992-94 I had I had serial number 38 900rr after waiting like 6 long months to get it. It was a really impressive bike, it worked really well on the track especially after putting putting Kaz Yoshima's upper triple clamp on it, which made it much more stable. But when I heard about the 916 and read all the specs I ordered one and waited like 12 long months, and it was easy to ride fast on the track, amazing, I still have it and it was one of my best decisions ever!! two days later, I had a cop pull me over just to look at it. Then the founder of what was later the largest Ducati club flaged me down from his 851 Ducati to invite me to one of the first meetings. I also had an RC30 for 10 years, and it was sweet, but the 916 is easier to work on and the power and sound is almost soothing, allowing you to concentrate better when riding. Thanks for a great video.
Two very important bikes from the nineties. And both looked like a blast
Your vlog is just fantastic, different way of showing the 90s things
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching. 👍
I’ve had a CBR 600F 1995 since 2007, it’s nice to see the bike is far more capable than I will ever find out, man you pushed it hard 😅 mine is the same on the front, quite wollowy and little feel but a great bike, it is on its original suspension, brakes, even the chain and sprocket 😅
Awesome bikes! Thanks for watching 😁
You're nuts for riding those classics around there! Great job man!
Thanks!
I had the same CBR600 1995 new. K&N dynojet/+4 advancer and a full race Micron system. it was a flyer.
Surprisingly fast!!
There's no question who had the most fun out on the track that day. Great video, Sir. . Cheers from the USA.
Couldn't agree more hahaha! I had such a great day on these bikes!!
Awesome videos, absolutely love them, keep them coming. Would love to see full reviews of both bikes
More to come!
Loved this. Nice one.
Super cool...and a bit scary, that wobble on a Honda...the Duc was stable as hell.
Absolutely amazing. To also be able to do commenting while doing all this, exellent stuff!
Much appreciated! Love comments like this 👍 thanks for watching
Was laughing out loud watching you laugh out loud on the bikes there, fantastic content! You've got great character. New sub, keep making content 😎
Ah man thanks very much for that! Made me smile 🙌🙌 Much appreciated and thanks for subscribing! Got a new Suzuki video coming out soon 👍
That CBR looked dangerous, you were laughing when I'd have been shitting myself 🤣
Well ridden mate!
Thanks very much mate 👍
Great video. Thanks. I must say, it doesn't matter that the 916 isn't the fastest bike in the paddock. What it does exquisitely is define poetry in motion. I've had a 748 and it really is too much bike for the streets, but it does everything with precision and mountains of feedback - like the 916 but less ballistically.
Well said!👍👍
500 quid? Outrageous! So much bike... Used to want it bad in 1995, but I got a Ducati M900 to blast around London instead. Those were the days... Can't beat the 90s for automotive. Such as the Porsche 964.
90’s are proving to be very special! Wish I had the ££ to keep all these in a big garage!!
You'd be surprised how much difference a few changes to the suspension settings makes. I had an 01 CBR600 and used settings from either Fast Bikes or Performance Bikes magazine, I can't remember which one.. Totally changed the bike. I bet a few tweaks would settle that Honda down, if it had adjustability that is, not sure if it does.
Interesting! Thank you
These both bikes was my teenege dream
The thing that immediately struck me about the ducati is even after all these years its still pin sharp in the corners with a wave of torque to carry you in to them at crazy speeds, it's still my dream bike after all these years, i had a mini ducati, a cagivia mito I loved,, amazing styling and handling with a mental engine for a 125cc..I'm now currently owning a aprilia rsv 1000 first generation,, costing me a fortune,, but I love Italian bikes,, even there expensive "character"....drives me potty,, but I mainly love the big low down torque all the through the rev range pulling me alone from nothing to silly speeds even after all these years my bike flies. 😂..i subscribed and gave you a big thumbs up 👍 👌 👏
Thanks very much 👍
Loving your vids. Now subbed 👍
Welcome aboard!
I remember in 1995 there was a local race, a guy rode cbr600 won the race followed by ducati 916 and zx-9(ridden by my friend) in Pasir Gudang race track, Johore, Malaysia....
Awesome thanks for sharing
Excellent video bud 👍🙂
Thanks for the visit! Appreciate that 👍
Saying you got the best of what you could from both bikes. Your comparison shows that the CBR 600 is outstanding and with a bit of work it would be as quick as the 916 cc Ducati. We also don't know how both bikes have been maintained. Great video!
Thanks mate! Yeah I mean both could have been ridden harder, especially the Ducati but it was a fun day out!!
Thx mate, great riding. If you ever can test a 90s 750 like a zxr or gsxr etc against the 916 in the same manner that would be the ultimate.
That’s true! However I don’t think I can keep it as need to buy more bikes to do reviews 🤣
I had the '98 CBR600F and have many nice memories of it until I plowed it into the back of a twat in a van braking in front of me for no reason on the Smallbrook Queensway. Brilliant bikes would buy another if I saw one in good condition. I currently have a '97 748 for the track - with a suspension tweak and some rearsets it was absolutely awesome at Snetterton earlier in the year. Need to get some time off work to get another trackday in, but this bloody weather... 🤦♂🤷♂
Planning a 748 as my first bike, anything more sounds like trouble !
Glad that accident didn't keep you from riding - keep on with 2 wheels down : )
@@explosivehotdogs Thanks! I bought a Honda SP1 immediately after the CBR so the accident didn't keep me from my dreams :)
Good luck with yours!
This was great fun! Those old CBRs are great I've ridden a few and they're better than they have any right to be for the money, I'm at croft on the 14th of June on my 2011 street triple 😎 can't wait!
Haha couldn’t agree more! Hope Croft was good! 🙌
Loved my 996 SPS
Fantastic bit of content and very skilled round the track. Distinct lack of steering damper on the Honda 😂 well done!
Haha thanks bud 👍🙌
Loved my 996 mono. Forks on the 600 looked f@cked 😂
Those Honda Brake Lines from decades ago are scary
Haha adds to the fun 🤣
Nice riding mate
Thanks ✌
Had a '94 F3, Loved it.
Very nice!
amazing riding, you can pick your lines!! great stuff man, love your channel
I appreciate that!
That was great! Love the onboard commentary! 😄👌🏼
Thanks 🙌 It was a fun day!
Nice riding! Was the video of the 2CTs before you took them on track? You were ripping that track, and they don't even look like they got hot.
It was after!! They didn’t suffer too much! Great tyres!
What is the noise tested sticker on the Ducati ?
That was so good seeing someone enjoy riding so much. Great job.
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks very much for watching 😁
I have a 95 CBR too. Get the front suspension dialled in and you will have the best fun. I have worn the pegs and scrapped the exhaust and I'm not that good a rider !
Stock suspension?
@Kyre5049 yes. Everything is stock...and old 🤣 including the rider 🤣
@@nickknights6890 that’s funny. The 95 generation came out when I was 10! Am about to put the original spring in 0.7kg rate from 1.00kg rate. How about the fluid is that original? Had 5wt in.
@Kyre5049 . Not sure, I suspect not. A racing friend said he would use 10wt cause I'm a large load 🤣
I think that’s the most fun you can have with £500 😂
Honestly I think it is too 🤣
James, are these stock suspension components on your Honda CBR 600 F3?
Yeah the bike was stock 👍
is there something wrong with the 916 tacho? should have been limiting before 11.
Hi Brad, not sure mate probably just how it comes from the factory….it’s Italian 🤣
Original the limit is set at 10,500 for a 916, but with a different chip the rev limit can be adjusted.
Although people recommend not to go over 10,000 since the rockers can barely keep up and the lifespan of the engine decreases.
Also most make peak torque around 9,500 so there is no reason to pull the engine above 10,000.
Ducati specilist Kaemna in Germany does make lightweight rockers, so maybe they are safer to rev high, in combination with modified heads.
Bloody Snet. Blew up my 3 month old 916 on the back straight in 97. Then I got fired and couldn’t afford to fix it for months. Parallel import = dodgy warranty. Then it blew up again on the way to Brands.
Oh dear sorry to hear that
Try a srad 600 against the 916 😅
You’re a great rider. Wonder how my big old Zzr1100 would do with a good rider on it?
2:15-2:17 👍🏻 it have power if its derestrictedd not some 💩 restricted version and punch harder than cbr 600 f3 on straight with true 100-200 km/h acceleration time on 7-7,5 sec level with 125-130 hp at back whell 👍🏻 vs cbr 600 f3 is like 9 sec tested f2 on 9,5-10 sec level 👌🏻 duc 916 like 8 sec 👌🏻 but weight 260-270 kg full tank and realtively low centre of gravity didint help around corners espeicallly that footpegs also are relaitvelu low both those factor mean lean angle be fast closed 100% befpre bike reach actuallly true grip border in corner on fast tire like a supercorsa sc1 tested this against cbr 1000 f which have much higher centre of gravity and footpegs lil higher it was 5-10 km/h faster in 90 degreee corner 90 vs 97 km/h 😎👍🏻 …. most likely somewhere aroudn 2:15 -2:16-- on supercorsa sc1 lzzr 1100 should be on this track +/- 👌🏻 the longer straight lesss corners the more in favorable position be zzr 1100 in regard to bike like cbr 600 f3 on some track it can be veen faster with its back wheel power advantage 👌🏻but the more corners with shorter and lesss dtraights and cbr 600 f3 be in favorable positiion so on like 70-80% of tracks around the world but you know zzr 1100 is sporttouring bike not sport bike 🤷🏻♂️😉👍🏻but it still beat bike like h-d vrod 1250 2:30 on this track which innstraightnis similar fast to cbr 600 f2 and on corner masiively slow due to very low centre of gravity + low footpegs + wide rear tire with flat profile its catastrophic setup for corners 😂👌🏻 but its again comletely diffrent bike =power cruiser with no intention to be fast around corner at all 😎👌🏻or yamaha mt01 like a 2:18-2:20 most likely 🤭ok all 3 bike push to absolute limits each 10-15 laps for setup best posible time the same tire everything else stock than duc 916 2:10 ,cbr 600 f3 2:12 zzr 1100 2:15 on this track +/- 👍🏻and if vrod 1250 go under 2:30 it be miracle 😂🤮
Wow what a reply.!
I rekon it would do a 2.10 😉
@@jamescrawshaw71 what zzr 1100 ? assuming this duc do 2:10 and cbr like 2:12 ? than stock zzr on the same tireno way be able do 2:10 👌🏻 2:15 max like im write it have beteer acceleration at straight but is not as capable in corners as duc and cbr due to much biger weight and high centre of gravity to footpegs proportion to tire size = corner speed level is not to goood 😉👍🏻
To be fair. The Duc is lighter and has more power and torque. But I am totally with you: One can just have fun with the Honda and dont mind if one crashes it.
Couldn’t agree more! Duc was obviously miles better to ride but boy was the Honda fun hahaha
Suggestive video that describe how to go on track with one iconic bike ( 916) and one fast and cheap bike, one answer...but I look one exahust for cbr and nothing for 916, so they're all stocks?
Pretty much 👍
Honda again proving who’s best
That incarnation CBR 600 was known as a 'stealy' because of the frame.
I don't know whether you knew that?
The previous incarnation was the jelly mold and as ugly as it was, it was a fantastically competent bike in 1989/1990.
I had the prettier FZR 600 and a friend had a CBR jelly mold.
There was no real world differences between them.
I didn’t know that! Thanks for sharing
Steely.
Alright James, are you looking to sell the Honda?
It’s sold mate 🙈 Got a lovely V4s on eBay though 😉🤣
I will say the Honda. Because I owned a 99´ CBR 600f and I will ignore the answer anyway if it´s the 916:-)
You can't compare a 600 to a 916 😂
Similar power 😉 lap times aren’t too far apart haha both 1995 😁
@@jamescrawshaw71 I have an original stock 916 in my Ducati collection here in Australia with 3,800Km's on it. Hasn't been ridden on road in over 20 years but I run it on the dyno very gently every few months up to temp for 30 mins. They look and sound great but I recall my first ride back when they launched and I was like wow is this thing gutless!? Build and component quality was truly terrible back then but I still keep a few MINTERS for the punters. Cheers. Good luck with your channel!
Why not ?
He just did so there.
As beautiful as the 916 is it was never a fast bike, a good rider on a cbr600f shouldn't have to much trouble keeping up with the ducati.
super corsa are faster better tire than michelin pilot sport 2 ct is like 3-4 sec off on avg track lap 👌🏻 so not really fair comaprsision but 916 would still be probabaly lil faster bike here as it have couple hp more 114 vs 100-103 hp + offcorse true diffrenc came put not only on the same tire but also alot lap later when you really drive into each bike reallly good 👌🏻
Neither tyres were near the limit at all so I don’t think they really came into it. Was just a bit of fun to see how they both compared riding pretty steady 👍
@@jamescrawshaw71 asssuming you reach clearance border and go perfect line in both than its not only ruubber type and thread but also tire construction and profille 😉👌🏻
Great channel glad i subscribed :)
Welcome aboard! And thank you means a lot 👍👍
The older( up to mid 00)1000cc v-twins are no match for a modern inline 4 600cc on track, at least my experience. but lets see how the old supersport 600 actually fairs against a much more high end duc. hits play :)
916 vs cbr 600 rr 2020 ? give both the same tire both 100% stock it be quiet close 👌🏻 916 actuallly make similar power at wheeel 105 hp its maybe 10 kg heavier not big deall i say max 1 sec off with pro rider on both for avg 4 km lenght track 👌🏻
@@mociczyczkiany v2 1000cc from old vs any super sport 600.
@@Pillokun show telemetry data 👌🏻 like im say it be close duactti 996 r with 136 hp ohlins suspension can give close fight with very fast rider on it to any modern 600 supersport like r6 ,zx6r ,cbr 600 rr, gsxr 600 or triumph daytona 675 👌🏻
@@Pillokun m.ruclips.net/video/1c_0yUP0LuE/видео.html desmosedicii rr no road legal trwck bike go behind 996 r on tsukuba track like you seee 996 r is very capable bike on track 😉👌🏻 offcorse its not 100% race we dont know how suply each rider have here and there without telemetry graph asf hwowever we seen like they left alot placess here and there 🤷🏻♂️🫣 but whatever …. ,here you have some cup race on hampton down track gsxr 600 vs 996 except first lap where rider on duc probably ridde slower due to tire temeprsture they basicallly go head to head 🤷🏻♂️ gsxr 600 2013 👉🏻m.ruclips.net/video/r-DWZhtleMM/видео.html again i have no idea whats theyr level of skill in track riding but whatever 🤷🏻♂️ for solve this you wpuld need all data about each stuff fin both motorcycle kike weight distribution track topography and aloooooooor math 🫣 or put on both fastest superbike /motogp or from so e cup fastest rider on both on the same tire give tham track for themselfs for couple hpurs riding than ypu would know which be faster but trust me there b no big diffrence 😉👌🏻 once you put on 996 r noob vs on supersport 600 rider from fastest group its game over for duc but ….. vice versa as well put on superpsort 600 some noob and 996 r smoked him on track 🤷🏻♂️
@@Pillokun again close fight on track gsxr 600 vs 996 🤷🏻♂️👉🏻m.ruclips.net/video/sZ2oeSHLWhk/видео.html in someplaces out of corner duc 996 lil left behind it look like it can have less weight at front wheeel or its rider errror 🤷🏻♂️ it cant be solved from such video 🤭🤷🏻♂️ its 50-50 weight distribution or rider fault but most of time when trafk is clear they go close 👌🏻offcorse i have no idea about those bikes setup and basic is tires at first place and like ypu onow weveryhing can be tune so but whatever 👌🏻 me last word is like this 👉🏻 duc 996 r 136 hp stock vs some of modern sueprsport 600 like r6 125 hp both the same tire perfect pressure setup on both the same weight fastest rider posiible which dont left placesss anywhere on track for bull💩 story and those bike be so close like nobodys bisnesss most likelly 😉👌🏻 the only chance for get advantage 600 supersport is mention earlier wight distribution cos in V engine case constructors have trouble with setup everything in such way that front wheeel will have good weight push it to the ground prevent understerrr out of corner accelerstion like in me sv 650 s 👌🏻😎 they fix this in comapre to inline 4 be feg setup more agresivveleey rider position more at front and more handlebars down and couple pther stufff but it can be issue in road 996 r i. comapre to supersport 600 which can in fact give 600 win on track lap time battle /race thanks that those ss600 with more wieght at front wheel can open theotle soooner and use max power soooner for acceleration 🌪️ 👌🏻 out of corner without end behind tarmac at outisde of corner and on this catch some advsntage for overall lap time be 1-2 sec faster for avg track 2 min lap time but i dont have data about this stuff it can be not true at all and cosntruction those V2 1000 cc old can have not wprse weight distribution than modern 600 ssupersport 🤷🏻♂️👌🏻…. so for me atleast for now its draw untill i get more info/data about this stuff i dont know 🤷🏻♂️😉👌🏻 and i quees you take your assumption like 99% similar to ypu people from 💩 🤭 even if you smoked some old 1000 cc V2 sport bike on your 600 cc supersport on track it not necccessery must be advanatge those 600 cc against those 1000 V2 🤭 maybe you are very fast track rider and dude on this V2 1000 cc just dont have so much skill and experienced in track riding like you 🤷🏻♂️ or you was on slick track tire and he on some 💩 road tire dude fastest track slicks tire can be 10 sec or even more faster than some 💩road tire 😂🤷🏻♂️ …. and many other stuff can be tune like suspension asf if ypu have pure track bike prepare with slick and you comapre to fully road 916 or 996 whatever on some wet road tire on dry condition than what i can write more its BS COMAPRISION ALL THE WAY especially if like im mention ypu are fast rider and guy od duc slower rider than thers nothing what we can reallly comapre here 😂🫣🤷🏻♂️ ….its BS story for me at least at this point 👌🏻😎
got a cbr600f3 for £1100 and its amazing. possibly the best bike ive ever had, no plans to sell it.
Great bike!! Thanks for sharing 👍