You can see the degradation and more things missing since your older video of this machine. Still very cool you covered some details left out from the first one. The kid in me would love to gut the interior of a machine this size and finish it as a house to live in.
@@tomrogers9467 I had thought about that. Possible scrappers got it but plausible the owner salvaged items for a similar machine. My bet is on scrappers/treasure hunters.
Haha! Remember the first video!? Yes, when I first saw this machine the inside was still intact. I was pretty amazed to see how much people have scrapped out of it in 10 years time
I've thought about that too, & I absolutely agree. It seems so wasteful & short sighted to allow a machine that was designed & built to last (& be repaired) well beyond the time it was no longer used, to be abandoned & become deteriorated. But only the Gov't can (regularly) waste expensive equipment with the reckless abandon of hundreds of $millions of tax dollars, often with little or no use of the wasted equipment. Gov't waste is truly staggering in its scale.
Good move on your part to get a video of this old equipment. Sooner or later this along with most of the remaining abandoned mining equipment will have a date with Mr. Cutting Torch.
Cool old shovel, kinda surprised it wasn’t diesel powered. Interesting none the less. I’m guessing You probably have not ever , at least I don’t recall, done a video on the 10B . Mammoth unit. Have one setting in the back 40, and My cousin has one in working condition. Thanks again Justin.
THANKLS Pal, and that used to be a big machine. K wonder if the electric system was maybe called Ward/Neonard but I barely know about that as in the Hullett ship unloaders years ago. A shovel can sure do the job. HAPPY SPRING, Thanks and God Bless Yall!
Interesting but what ran the generators? Electrically powered machines I have seen on TV typically have a diesel motor that generates the electricity. I have seen huge shovels that are connected to a large electric cord, was this shovel like that?
I was also curious about the power source. How did the power cable work? Would there have been a generator on site? How did they keep from running it over?
On TV I saw a huge excavator in motion and the cable was being dragged behind the machine. A machine that large is not moving very fast, probably several hundred feet per hour would be my guess. There probably is a man walking along with it to ensure it doesn't get snagged on anything. There must be a huge generator close by cuz I can't imagine it would be far off as electricity loses power the farther it travels.@@michaelweilmuenster5754
Very good question! You've inspired me to make a short to explain, but the answer is this: The sync motor is a 7200 volt AC motor that drives the generators that make DC for the hoist, drag, crowd, and swing motors
I was wondering about that too. Interesting. I assume that type of electromechanical conversion was smaller or more efficient than all the transformers and rectifiers it would take to get the 7200 AC down to whatever the DC needs were.
This is great proof that electric machines and indeed cars are absolutely not "eco friendly" and not particulary good for businesses to buy. A traditional diesel engined machine can be operated for many years and there is plenty evidence of abandoned/unused machines being brought back to life decades after being stood. Rescuing an old diesel engined machine can put it back into service and therefore these machines have extensive service life compared to electric. Can you imagine trying to save this old electric machine? You have no chance without a huge output generator. So, with just the one example cited above, any business buying an electric machine would eventually have a major problem in how to deal with an aging machine. Trade it in and buy new I hear you say. Yeah, great idea to burn up more natural resources and create more waste.
No but there was a machine similar to this out there! I can't remember if it was a 280 or not but it was another BE. We went looking for it in 2010and it was scraped
Crying' shame these fine old machines get such sorry treatment after they're done working. Yes, they are beasts of burden but, time and scarcity has a way of reviving interest in the engineering qualities that went into these giant mining machines.
8 cubic yards= 6 cubic meter. Specific gravity = 1.5 kg/liter, so a small bucket contains 9000 kg of coal. That's 20,000 pounds. 2,500 pounds per cubic yard. So an 18 cubic yard bucket contains 45,000 lbs or 20 tons, in adult units.
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You can see the degradation and more things missing since your older video of this machine. Still very cool you covered some details left out from the first one. The kid in me would love to gut the interior of a machine this size and finish it as a house to live in.
I wonder if the fields of the motor/generators were removed by scrappers, or to repair other similar units still operating.??.
@@tomrogers9467 I had thought about that. Possible scrappers got it but plausible the owner salvaged items for a similar machine. My bet is on scrappers/treasure hunters.
Haha! Remember the first video!? Yes, when I first saw this machine the inside was still intact. I was pretty amazed to see how much people have scrapped out of it in 10 years time
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As always a joy to watch, thanks for sharing.
Its amazing to me all the time, materials, and effort that is put into machines like this only to be abandon , at some point.
I've thought about that too, & I absolutely agree. It seems so wasteful & short sighted to allow a machine that was designed & built to last (& be repaired) well beyond the time it was no longer used, to be abandoned & become deteriorated.
But only the Gov't can (regularly) waste expensive equipment with the reckless abandon of hundreds of $millions of tax dollars, often with little or no use of the wasted equipment. Gov't waste is truly staggering in its scale.
Always fun listening to these. A lot of research into these machines. Thanks,
I'm really glad you enjoy them!They are fun to put together
Now that would be some piece of yard art. 😊
Very interesting!! Thank you Sir for taking the time to make this video.
My pleasure! 😁
Great job on researching all of the technical details of this beast!
Thank you!
Awesome footage and documentary as always, thank you Justin
Glad you enjoyed it! 😎 Thanks!
Amazing machine. Thanks for the video.
Would love to have seen this machine when she was brand spanking new and operating . Cool vid Justin 👍
Thanks for sharing Justin! An amazing peace of mining history!
You're welcome! 😁
Let's see a will it start video on this guy😂. Thanks for making these cool videos good show!
Blahaha!! That would be more of a repair video than a start lol. You're welcome 😁
That shovel is three years older than me. And I feel rosty too. 😅
Hahaha!!
Good move on your part to get a video of this old equipment. Sooner or later this along with most of the remaining abandoned mining equipment will have a date with Mr. Cutting Torch.
Absolutely correct. Thanks!
Cool old shovel, kinda surprised it wasn’t diesel powered. Interesting none the less. I’m guessing You probably have not ever , at least I don’t recall, done a video on the 10B . Mammoth unit. Have one setting in the back 40, and My cousin has one in working condition. Thanks again Justin.
Electric was way more common in older shovels, even ones as small as 5yd. Thanks!
@@PAmining That’s interesting.
THANKLS Pal, and that used to be a big machine. K wonder if the electric system was maybe called Ward/Neonard but I barely know about that as in the Hullett ship unloaders years ago. A shovel can sure do the job. HAPPY SPRING, Thanks and God Bless Yall!
You're welcome buddy!
Carrry on Palley and Be BLESSED Richly!@@PAmining
The filbert flange is connected to the grapple grommet?
is this equipment that was used on your jobsite or do you travel to do this? greatly appreciate what you post, be safe out there.
Interesting but what ran the generators? Electrically powered machines I have seen on TV typically have a diesel motor that generates the electricity. I have seen huge shovels that are connected to a large electric cord, was this shovel like that?
Yes it would have been fed by a power cable like all electric machines. Thanks!
I was also curious about the power source. How did the power cable work? Would there have been a generator on site? How did they keep from running it over?
On TV I saw a huge excavator in motion and the cable was being dragged behind the machine. A machine that large is not moving very fast, probably several hundred feet per hour would be my guess. There probably is a man walking along with it to ensure it doesn't get snagged on anything. There must be a huge generator close by cuz I can't imagine it would be far off as electricity loses power the farther it travels.@@michaelweilmuenster5754
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5:44 help me understand this. These electric motors drive electric generators to produce electricity from electricity?
That's what I was wondering. It must have an engine powered generator to get it all started.
@@Ottos_ScLm_Race_videos_2009_onI can only think of 1 thing: the AC motors drive DC generators.
Very good question! You've inspired me to make a short to explain, but the answer is this: The sync motor is a 7200 volt AC motor that drives the generators that make DC for the hoist, drag, crowd, and swing motors
I was wondering about that too. Interesting. I assume that type of electromechanical conversion was smaller or more efficient than all the transformers and rectifiers it would take to get the 7200 AC down to whatever the DC needs were.
Was wondering the same. Yes please! Short video to explain this!
If you ever run in to old Robbins drill RR10S Id love to see a documentary on it. Thanks
Absolutely, will do!
My dad ran one at Michigan ston Ottawa lake mi in the late 50s that's a shoval
Machine has a good amount of Electrical parts with the Steel and Manganese of crawler assemblies.
This is great proof that electric machines and indeed cars are absolutely not "eco friendly" and not particulary good for businesses to buy.
A traditional diesel engined machine can be operated for many years and there is plenty evidence of abandoned/unused machines being brought back to life decades after being stood. Rescuing an old diesel engined machine can put it back into service and therefore these machines have extensive service life compared to electric. Can you imagine trying to save this old electric machine? You have no chance without a huge output generator.
So, with just the one example cited above, any business buying an electric machine would eventually have a major problem in how to deal with an aging machine. Trade it in and buy new I hear you say. Yeah, great idea to burn up more natural resources and create more waste.
I can tell they kept the house spotless back in the day
The cleaning rags are still hung nice and neat somewhere!
Was this by chance sitting above Trevorton in by the Mile?
No but there was a machine similar to this out there! I can't remember if it was a 280 or not but it was another BE. We went looking for it in 2010and it was scraped
Poor old girl is dying from the inside out. Where is the bucket trip control? I’m assuming a button on one of the boom controls?
The bucket trip would be on one of the hand levers. Thanks!
We used to be a serious country. One with company names that sounded as strong as the machines they made.
Crying' shame these fine old machines get such sorry treatment after they're done working.
Yes, they are beasts of burden but, time and scarcity has a way of reviving interest in the engineering qualities that went into these giant mining machines.
So how much does 8 to 18 yards of coal weigh? Give or take .......
8 cubic yards= 6 cubic meter. Specific gravity = 1.5 kg/liter, so a small bucket contains 9000 kg of coal. That's 20,000 pounds. 2,500 pounds per cubic yard. So an 18 cubic yard bucket contains 45,000 lbs or 20 tons, in adult units.
Its sad things like this are not saved and kept in better condition
Is this a remake?You already made the same documentary 13 years ago,and its the exact same machine😅
the surrounding trees are much bigger now,
Of course it is! Have to do better than I did when I first started doing videos lol