Will There be Pets in Heaven? | Douglas Wilson
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2024
- Ask Doug question: "I really enjoyed your Easter message about the resurrection of the world. In that sermon, you alluded to the world being brought along with us in Christ. With this in mind, will animals be resurrected on the new earth? If so, will they be the animals who have lived on this earth? More specifically, will our pets be resurrected?"
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During the many tragedies I have had God always somehow sent me a pet to comfort me Gods gifts to us
I never thought this little topic would be the one to radically change the way that I see the scope of the resurrection.
I had asked my priest if our pets are in heaven and will we see them again, he told me absolutely they are and we will be with our pets when it our time, l asked what makes you so sure? He told me he had a massive heart attack 2 years ago, he was pronounced dead for 7 minutes, in that time his deceased brother came to greet him and also the priests dog that he had put down 6 months prior, l said to him God Bless you and Thankyou, l needed to hear that because l had put down my cat 1 week prior and lm so heartbroken , he than blessed me with a prayer and l went on my way.🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Excellent response. Don't forget the story of King David. After his sin with Bathsheba, God sent Nathan the prophet to convict him of his sin. Nathan told the story of a man who owned a ewe lamb. The lamb played with his children and slept in his arms at night. One day a rich man came and seized the lamb, slaughtered it and fed it to his guest. An outraged David said "Who is this man? He should be put to death." Nathan the prophet declared "You are the man". I think it's interesting that God used a story about a person and their relationship with their animal to convict David of his sin. This tells me God understands the relationship people have with their animals, and he is good with it.
Baji Kimran this is good.
Amen good point !
nice to believe it but why did god create animals predutator/ pray, with pain recepters too? And then drown them if U believe in Adam and Eve and the flood. Then theres the lake of fire, coming down and burning all the animals to dealth.If thats not to be interpreted literally, theres still the great tribulation with mass horendus dealth for man and beast alike. Im sure theres no rapture for animals. Also, didnt Jesus let the demons possess 2,000 swine. He also was very dismisive of the doves in cages in the temple. " Get these things out of here". Even inamimate objects were not imune to his rath. Jesus curses the fig tree for not bearing fruit when it was out of swason. Yes,, its doubably simbolic. Even so, the gospel writers could have avoided making making him look like a petulant child. As far as Paul indicating all animals get reserected, my hunch is Pauls speaking unilaterally as hes projecting his own inocents to God. In the same vain, Pauline theology is often cited as evidence for universalism.
@@chriswest6652 I read hog shit recently but wow, the amount of misconstrued nonsense here is amazing.
Let's put some stuff straight, if we are believing Adam and eve and the great flood, ie.we are believing the Bible, then the God of the Bible, God is Israel created all those creatures and can do as he sees fit. He can remove them from existence any time. He has that authority.
@@chriswest6652 but you have no basis to declare any of that wrong or unjust
I just had to put my dog down yesterday and this greatly comforted me.
I hear ya. Coming up on 2 years for me and it still hurts.
@@left0verture he wrong tho. The text he uses to support his beliefs doesn't say what he says it says
@@jonpool9030 there’s a good dose of sobering reality.
But do explain, I’m curious
@@tyd3407 all I'm say is that nowhere in the text that he cited supports his conclusion.
@@jonpool9030 I see
Its sucks listening to this right now that my beloved dog passed away this evening 💔💔💔 till we meet again choochoo i love you more than you can imagine thank you so much for 8years of bonding im very grateful you came into our lives 😭😔😥😭😭😭 i really do hope youre in heaven so we could meet again
RIP choo choo. You were a real one. 2012-2020 Never forget. Gang gang. *Brap Brap* 🙏🏼 🙌🏼 ❤️ 🔫 🐕 🌈 ☁️
It's the worst pain and emptiness when they're gone. It's been 4 years for my first one and only a month since my second. Dog spelled backwards is God, I pray they're there having fun and not in pain. Miss them sooooo much!
God brought Josephine, my dog, into my life. Having to let her go a few days ago, I realize Josephine was the greatest gift God could give me, besides Salvation. How she came into my life, our time together, our adventures, she was a devoted companion with unconditional love. The bond we developed is now part of my soul. I didn't say good bye, I said I will see you soon. I am crushed, destroyed, but I know we will be together again when I die. God is a loving, merciful God, he is far greater than we can comprehend. Don't sell God short, he gave us gifts of love with our pets. God will reunite us with our pets because he loves us and our pets. Animals are a main component throughout the Bible. Psalm 36:6 is one scripture that shows God's love for animals. Reuniting us with our pets, would be a loving thing to do. As humans, we underestimate God's compassion and love. To all of those that have lost your dear companions, You will see them soon, until then, they reside in your heart and soul. Before I go to sleep, I look at Josephine's pictures and videos, then I meet her in my dreams.
The Lord said He would not withhold ANY good thing from His children! Concerning our beloved pets, why would He withhold them from us is the question. No eye has seen , no ear has heard, nor has it entered into the heart of man, the things God has prepared for those that love Him!!!
amen
@Caleb P So, loving your pet that He gave you is idolatry? Are you feeling ok?
So a good thing he gave us was marriage. So, why will none be given to marriage (Matt. 22:30), in heaven if what you're saying is what was meant by that Scripture?. I feel this is just our desire to want something to be true, so we read it into the Scriptures. Animals are often used in Scripture to paint pictures, just as was said in the video of dragons. Many use the "lion laying with the lamb" to say animals will be in heaven, but clearly, that is making a statement about ultimate peace. A lion and a lamb laying together is the clearest picture that could be humanly painted for humans to comprehend the immense peace that will be in eternity.
I find it very odd that all pets will be in heaven without any regeneration process of being drawn by God and raised to life in Christ and yet Uncle Larry who dies apart from Christ will go to hell. This makes zero sense Biblically. This is a clear attempt to read our earthly wants and desires into a heaven that we can't even fathom with our earthly minds. This argument you make falls flat when we ask the same question about our spouses. "Why would God withhold our spouse and kids if "we can't fathom all the things He has in store for us? ""And He wants us to have all these good things," mean what you claim it means? This is reading something into this verse that was not intended when you start talking about animals and other earthly desires.
I believe the problem is that what you think is a "strong desire" or yours now will not be in eternity. You're using your earthly mind to comprehend things the Bible says we can't comprehend.
@@kennethstandridge1205 Your “argument” falls flatter! You don’t know either! I hope your dog bites you.
My dog is dying, and I've been wondering about this while also just trusting that God is good, -- knowing that His will is better than anything I could ask or imagine. However, even though this topic has been on my mind, I've not searched for any answers online or elsewhere. This title just popped up in my recommendations today, and I'm glad it did.
knowing from what I've experienced, it would not surprise me at all if God gifted me with all the dogs I've owned in the new earth.. God is so gracious and knows how to give great gifts!
one of the arguments I have heard over and over again against animals being in eternity is the argument "so you think mosquitoes, cockroaches etc... will be in eternity?" The answer to that in my book is VERY simple. We look at those creatures thru the lens of the curse - we have NO idea what the mosquito was like before the fall and the curse. In eternity the mosquito and cockroach etc... will be back the way they were originally intended and we will have no problem with them whatsoever. Maybe I am crazy but that's the way I see it anyway.
Even today, mosquitoes largely eat from flowers. It's only the females who suck human blood to feed their young. We can see hints of their original purpose even in their corrupted state.
Two pieces of Scripture that I feel are relevant to this, the first obviously and the second less so.
The first is from Proverbs (don't know chapter and verse but you can look it up), it says that a righteous man has regard or care for the life of his beast, and animal that he owns or has dominion over. Now if a relatively righteous but still sinful human being cares about his animals, surely the perfectly righteous God cares about of His animals even more. God loves your dog more than you do.
The second is from Numbers. It's part of the story of Balaam, where he's on the road riding his donkey and is intercepted by an angel with a drawn sword which at first only the donkey can see. It (she? don't remember) tries to avoid walking toward the angel several times but Balaam keeps getting it to go back to the road and getting angry at it. Eventually he's so angry he starts to hit the donkey beyond what is necessary to prod it in a certain direction. Scripture says God "opens the mouth" of the donkey, and it speaks. What it says is not (it seems to me) God delivering words through the donkey, the donkey speaks from its perspective about how bad it is that Balaam has gotten this angry and hit it when the donkey has been faithful to him for many years. It seems to me that God temporarily gave the donkey the ability to communicate what it in some sense was already thinking and feeling. I believe this brief event offers us a rare glimpse at the inner world of animals and may help us to see what their nature is. That's critical to me to the question of whether individual animals that lived on Earth will be resurrected versus there just being new animals in Heaven. If animals don't have some kind of soul or spirit like we do, I would say they wouldn't be individually resurrected, it just wouldn't be part of their nature to be able to do that. But this look into the donkey's mind makes me lean towards thinking animals do have some sort of spirit and would be individually resurrected.
Though I might be weird in taking it a step further. I think if any earthly creature besides humans have spirits and can be individually resurrected, they probably all can. An ant might seem like a much lesser creature than a dog or a horse, but all creatures are lowly before God. I would not be shocked if not only large animals but also insects and even plants and microbes might be individually resurrected. I also suspect that if animals are individually resurrected they might also be glorified. You might have a conversation with your dog or a crow or a mosquito just like Balaam had with his donkey.
Ultimately I don't know. I *do* know that God is free and sovereign over all things and that His will is perfect. Whatever eternal fate or lack thereof He has planned for all of the living creatures is better and more glorious to Him than anything I could come up with. As far as pets go, my dog is old currently and every day I pray that he would have a place in God's eternal Kingdom, but that even if he doesn't and this life is the end for him I always give thanks that God has blessed us both with so many years together. I'm a wicked sinner, and each day I still have my dog with me in this life is a blessing and mercy I don't deserve but receive by His grace.
@Caleb P I agree in principle. However, I think in modern times people overcorrect too far in the direction you're talking about. Many people today who think along these lines might describe the poor man's treatment of his one sheep in Nathan's parable to David as overly pampering, yet it is clearly held up as virtuous in Scripture.
Having a "house pet" i.e an animal you keep purely because you enjoy having it around is never condemned in Scripture. Though indulging and spoiling is condemned (also in Proverbs as well as elsewhere) in the case of one's own children. In wisdom it is clear this should be applied just as much if not moreso to domestic animals including ones not kept for labor. Proverbs is clear that holding back discipline is a sign of hate and disregard, not love.
@@Bane_questionmark your fucked up
Years ago, I saw that the word Seraphim was related to the word for snake. I always found that interesting. I'm glad to hear someone else more learned than I point that out too. I never thought of Seraphim looking like reptiles though. Something else for me to think about!
I hope this is true. I really miss our family rabbit. I was the only one there when we had to put him down. It still hurts to think back on.
Ted, What are you talking about?????? You need to go take a look at your Bible: animals in heaven??????? I do think so:
Rev 5:13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!"
You need to read When the Man Comes Around, a commentary on the book of Revelation. www.amazon.com/When-Man-Comes-Around-Commentary/dp/1947644920/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1QM67MVS0OXTL&keywords=when+the+man+comes+around+douglas+wilson&qid=1571179325&sprefix=when+the+man+comes+around%2Caps%2C838&sr=8-1
ROMANS 8:21
That means that our deceased pets' spirits are in heaven now....and when someone tells a child that their pet is in a better place after they die, it's the truth. Thank you so much for this reassurance. So many times I hear that animals can't go to heaven because they're not saved. But they are innocent. God does not condemn the innocent. Combined with everything else I've studied, it makes perfect sense that all creation is redeemed. Only man has a choice because man sinned and caused the fall. That sure takes the sting out of losing a pet and thinking you'll never see them again. Thank you.
interesting points. thanks.
Seems like this video could have been a five second "Scripture is silent on this", because it is.
But then you wouldn't need to watch the video. :) It's good practice for young exegetes (as long as they're not binding anyone's conscience with the the results).
Ah, but Scripture is NOT silent on the subject, reformedfruit.
_Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals. .... All go to the same place;_ *ALL COME FROM DUST, AND TO DUST ALL RETURN."* (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20, NIV)
_There is hope only for the living. As they say, "It's better to be a live dog than a dead lion!"_ (Ecclesiastes 9:4, NLT)
@@IsaacNussbaum was Solomon talking about humans or animals?
@@OldMovieRob Solomon was referring to both humans and animals, reformedfruit.
@@IsaacNussbaum so does the atoning sacrifice of Christ apply to critters too? If so, I hope it doesn't apply to fire ants... 🤔
In this case, it’s Doug who’s getting his theology from The Far Side.
I once heard a poor little boy, whose dog had recently died, call Harold Camping and ask this very question. In the most Harold Camping way he could say it, he told the mourning child, "Your dog will be annihilated."
Hahaahaaaa!! I'm going to Hell for laughing.🤣 Poor kid.
Hahahahahha
Wow........and you are the very people that are supposed to be witnessing to lost a souls. Christians are some of the most morally disgusting people I've ever come into contact with.
Mind blown 🤯
According to John MacArthur, another great preacher, says that no, there will not be any dogs in Heaven and gives Biblical Scripture to back it up. So it is a bit confusing as some say yes and others say no.
Willie was a very good dog. He was Reformed.
actually Paul used the term 'different flesh' when talking about humans, the birds, animals and fish, not different seed. Saying that it means different seed for different types of flesh for the sake of creating a new life in resurrection when the scriptures are talking about the resurrection of humans is engaging some creative eisegesis. I don't think the case that Doug tries to make is sound. Personally I don't know the answer to the question because I don't believe the bible answers the question conclusively, but I'm comfortable with that. From a pragmatic standpoint, and this is just my personal logic, I can't imagine every animal, fish, and bird that ever lived being resurrected. If we're talking about the earth, the planet would be overrun with creatures.
Do the math. Of course God can do as he pleases but I have to wonder what the point would be in doing that.
his eye is on the sparrow.................
I agree, his argument is weak. I would like it to be true though. Your point about the earth being overun? Possibly, the new heavens and earth may be massively bigger than our present one.
I really would love my fur babies to be thier but the truth be known only God knows.
I am a huge Animal lover and many (All) were sent to me by chance But that being said some were more my HEART than others but I enjoyed most even the Hissy Cat & Evil Snooky attack cat!
@@stuartwest8836..................... so?
Finally a solid clear scriptural truth about this. Also Romans 8 is clear.
very interesting stuff. a couple of great jokes in there too. lol
awesome.
TroddinSod, sounds like you believe in talking animals in heaven. Is this correct?
Im lost how did you conclude that 1 Corinthians 15 says "All flesh is seed? "
1 Corinthians 15:38
But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
This is reference is talking about the things we sow in contrast to how we are sown, it doesn't say birds and Other animals are sown it only speaks about other kinds of flesh.
Lost my dog about a year ago and his name was Willy.
My Boy Alvin went to heaven today 💙🙏😿
so the steak i ate last night where did it go heaven or hell?
Had to put my dog down today, great take and comforting.
Anecdotal story, but a true one: A couple years ago we put our cat down. Feeling sad so we took our dogs for a walk right after we got home from the Vet. A small hawk landed near us on a branch with the sun shining directly behind it. Said to wife, 'that's Phoebe giving us a sign that she's ok.' It could have been just a pleasant coincidence. This year, upon learning my best childhood friend had died I suffered great guilt for losing touch, and that very day went for a walk with my wife in a park at night. An owl decided to land very near us on a short light pole with the moon directly behind it. I said to her, 'that's my friend sending me a sign that he's ok.' Could just be a coincidence again, but the odds of those rare animals appearing before us on those specific occasions are pretty steep. If you factor in the odds of those heavenly bodies being directly behind both the hawk and the owl the odds become astronomical, given a 360 degree probability of placement. God doesn't speak to everyone, but my whole life he's spoken to me very directly in many ways. I believe your dog is in a better place and you will be reunited : )
@@georgem5589 Thank you for sharing your story of paganism.
The lack of bible for his position was disappointing. Explain how animals are saved (all Wilson had to do) :(
Does an animal know the difference between good and evil? That is the key question.
... I'm a LOT more interested in the fate of children that die very young... and those "who have never heard" the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
look at Job 1:1-4 notice the number of children and animals, now look at Job 42: 10-13 notice that God doubled the number of animals but gave him the same number of new children as before 10, why? because in the end Job will have 20 children in heaven so God did double his children but because animals do not go the heaven God doubled the number of animals on earth.
Spot on!!
one of the words in hebrew in Gen. meant SOUL was used for animals and man.some think only animals but original text says animals or ma.word in hebrew was CHAYA- and greek=nephesh
Soul in some places soul really means life. The soul of the beast that goes downward. Ecc. It really means life. Animals are truly dead after death whereas man is not. It does not prevent the animals from being resurrected though. If you ask how seeing they don't have a soul, well they don't have one now being yet alive. It makes no difference.
What about all the animals i've eaten? Will they be there?
After the resurrection, all car fenders will be stamped on the inside with "Guaranteed safe at highway speeds. --JC"
-- Calvin Seerveld
1 Corinthians doesn't say that flesh is seed. Paul wrote metaphorically.
Both humans and animals have a soul. It's called nephish in Hebrew in Genesis. The difference is that humans are made in God's image as well. Humans must repent and get to the Cross and live for our Savior. But I fully expect our loving God to take the souls of animals back to Himself when they die.
That's exactly right. How often have you heard preached "only man has a soul"? But it's false! "The man became a living soul" according to Genesis but Genesis 1 also uses the same word nephesh of the sentient animals! Can God do it? Yes. So the only question is "why wouldn't he?" Since Adams sin brought death to animals why wouldn't the second Adams obedience bring life?
Incorrect
They do not “ have “ a soul. Nephesh means” living soul”. A living being
It’s not som e separate the thing from a body
Hmmmmmm........ I am going to have to go with Piper on this one.
in the new eart the lion lays down with the lamb
But are they one's from earth or new ones?
@@traceylok675 the new earth that God will create after 1 thousand years in heaven
The lion and the lamb is purely symbolic of the NT church incorporating the gentiles.
Also that the church is no longer an exclusive nation, meaning it will not engage in war. "Neither shall they learn war anymore."
I do believe in a animal resurrection. Romans 8
Actually its the wolf and the lamb. Isiah 6:11
I like to think that A Street Cat Named Bob is in Heaven.
Lassie? Old yeller? Marmaduke? Sassy?
My cat is going to need some assistance getting out of that box. She's not going to be pleased, but I do miss her so :(. I wonder why Dr. Brown recently (2017) said that animals will not be with us.
I don't believe this is something one can be dogmatic (excuse the pun) about either way. The Bible is not clear on this subject.
Dr. Brown also only responds, "Maybe," to the question, "Does Genesis 3:15 refer to Jesus?"
I wonder if everything comes back if certain places will not be overcrowded. Dinosaurs, mastadons and mammoths take up a lot of space, but I am pretty sure that if everyone who ever lived in London or New York City comes back the populations there will be problem. Standing room only.
Lol, hence the New Heaven and New Earth (Revelation 21). I don't think the Lord is unaware of the size of His creation!
if animals get resurrected, it will very crowded, and who gets my dog me or the others who lived with me?
I’ve wanted someone to explain to me if we eat meat in heaven or if we go back to a pre fall garden state
Interesting question. I don't know but Jesus ate fish and honey (both animal products) after he was resurrected.
Canon Press yeah that’s the scripture that always comes to my mind as well. I guess we’ll find out!
@@kaycaskey3895 Amen!
Tofu every day
If we ate meat in heaven that require the death of an animal in a place where death does not exist. We will probably go back to the Garden of Eden state where we ate fruit and vegetables.. Scripture tells, in describing heaven that "The lamb and the wolf will lie down side by side, and they will eat STRAW".
Jumping spiders dream and are much smarter than other types of spiders. So I expect a few of them to be there too tbh. And without any harm, there’s no need or inclination to be afraid of them. They’ll probably be jumping around bushes and trees and snagging fruit to eat.
That's cool but "jumping spiders dream" is still one of the more unsettling sentences I've ever read.
Mark 16
Go and preach the Gospel to all of creatures
I would say it's weird because how can they be put in the same situation as man, yet there is no mention of the ability of animals to be regenerate. So unless Larry will go to hell for rejecting Christ, bit Old Yeller will be in heaven? This makes no sense.
I love dragon, and glad to hear there is such things as dragon.
I was told by another believer they are not real but, my answer why then are they in the bible?
They are in both the Bible AND the fossil record. I mean what do they think dinosaurs were?
Yo, no trash talking the cats, bro!
New Creation where Christ will be all and in all? I don't know. Isn't the "general resurrection" grounded in Christ's shared nature with us as humans and his resurrection? But then humans are animals and animals are life who knows.
Foolishness and agnostic might be true to those who are not in relationship with the Most High
1Corinthians 15 is Paul’s response to the doctrine of the Sadducees who were trying to convince new believers that they were wrong about Jesus and the resurrection.
Applying this to animals is stretching the context pretty thin.
A better scripture is Romans 8 where Paul says that all creation is groaning under the curse of man’s sin and is anticipating the day He will be revealed.
The language Paul used no doubt includes people, plant and animal life being restored to perfection.
Does this mean our individual pets will be in heaven?
I don’t know but I trust God to do great things for His people and whatever that is no one will be disappointed in heaven.
But if you listen to John MacArthur he says no there are no pets in heaven. He even said there's no animals and heaven I could show you the link to that
Hyenas aren't cats. Also if animals are resurrected I want to see beloved kitties again. I don't understand the comparison to Pharisees
Something tells me this question has never been asked in the middle east, the birth place of Christianity. How about, Christ. You all can have your pets, your beaches. Your margaritas. Just give me CHRIST. THAT'S ALL I NEED.
If there are no animals in heaven than where did the white horse Jesus returns on and the multitude of white horses the armies of God ( or the saints ) ride in come from in Rev. 19? Animals don't need a savior to be redeemed as they never sinned but suffered the curse that man's sin caused. Ps. 36:6 "O lord thou savest man and beast". GNV, WYC,RSV. I put my 15 1/2 yr. old dog Pudge down yesterday and I am beyond heartbroken. The emptiness and pain is horrific but I firmly believe I will see him again.
LOL "Was I good bacon or was I bad bacon?"
Telling a boy his dog was annihilated is beyond cruel if I am reading it right
I thought exactly the same thing. What an awful thing to say to a grieving boy. Zero percent representative of our Loving Lord who cares for the birds of the air, who encourages us to weep with those who weep, who direct us to be childlike in faith, who is the only righteous man and Scripture tells us "a righteous man cares for his animals", who ordained a sabbath for animals. Just wrong and awful.
Love thy neighbour is the command
We are not a vegetarian society
Animals are slaughtered to feed the
Masses
However one cannot fathom the eternal state
Who or what will be there is beyond our comprehension
They are but it wasn’t always so. And I believe it is Isiah where a world without destruction is foretold. Where predator and pray animals coexist.
What about dinosaurs Doug, will they be ressurected too?
No one had them as pets..except dino
@@candyluna2929 you can't know that. I'm sure somebody played fetch with a dinosaur. Why not?
Isaiah 65:25
Isaiah 11:6-7
Please read.. we will be with gentle animals
The bigger question, will there be bugs in heaven?
As man was made in God’s image••• He made the animals, he pronounced them good••• they are without sin , God loves his animals, man loves his animals, of course••• Romans chapter 8 all creation groaning & in labor pains waiting for redemption•••
Your interpretation is that in order for us to receive resurrection in Christ upon death we must follow Christ. He must be the lord we confess to, give up our wicked sins to and worship above any covetous thing....and all animals automatically receive this??
Sorry to the people sad about losing beloved pets but this is a man who is trying to comfort at the expense of any credible discernment.
The questioner seems to be more honest throughout.
Animals are a DIFFERENT type of seed and yes we obviously know there will be animals but there is NO WAY to come out thinking it will be your pets.
You will take on new pets.
Unless you have a repentant, BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT animal in your midst how on earth are you finding this to be expected or likely?
There are things you WANT to believe and things you have scriptural reason to believe.
Obviously God can do that if He deemed it. However if He does it will be at a great surprise because He kept it from His message.
Yes. but they'll be horses with human heads and scorpions tails, or some such.
Hey! My cat is offended. *Sarcasm
I am so very sorry my dear friends. Animals do not have souls according to Scripture. Man is the totally soul bearer and will be ressurected in the end if in Christ. That means I'll never see my precious best friend bird dog Lady ever again.
Shut up
"sounds like you believe in talking animals in heaven.?"
You mean 'seems' like, right. My writing doesn't make sounds when you read it, does it? Perhaps my writing does ring a few bells in peoples heads though! LOL!
I know men don't abide in the "heaven" or "sky" like the birds, nor are they found dwelling "under the earth" like snakes, rodents, & worms. Nor does the Text say they are where the Throne of the Lamb is.But it does imply the creatures of earth are able to express praise to the Lamb.
will you make it to heaven?
What's that supposed to mean?
Who are you asking, Claudia?
Why not just say, you know I don't know. But whatever happens is going to be glorious. Its weird to make a meaningful doctrine from one verse.
Unless, hear us out, Paul meant all flesh is seed!
@@CanonPress you wouldnt deal with baptism of the dead in the same way would you.
@@allanhutton Give us a bit more of a hint than that.
@@CanonPress 1 cor 15:29, talks of the baptism of the dead. We wouldn't take this one verse and build a doctrine around it because it's not clear. Now extra biblical text does give us some clarity but not the text itself. Im just saying don't exegete something out of text which is really coming out of your own minds to build a picture that's acceptable to us. Allow the word to speak and if it's not clear don't make definitive statements. The WORD doesn't feel it was needed so what makes us think it's needed. To me this is a rediculous topic in this day and age when we have a real moral and ethical crisis in the church and obviously in our world. Peace, now I'm moving on
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR, Heaven could be worse than Hell, after you have settled into your new mansion in Heaven there are a few things to consider, first there is no sin and no temptation, there can be no sex because sex leads to temptation and sin, Earthly desires will not exist, no sex = no new children, the joys and dramas of children for young couples will be lost, everything will be pure, that means all books, TV, movies, plays etc. will have no crime, no sex, no sin, nothing irreligious at all, Entertainment cannot exist without these elements, imagine the Daily News, "Nothing happened at all today, everybody was happy, we all prayed, tune in tomorrow for more of the same" Of course there will be bible reading classes but after 100 years of these it would drive a person to drink, DRINK? sorry no alcohol in Heaven because booze leads to sin, fighting etc. There are no politics in Heaven, politics leads to dissension and unhappiness, Jesus makes all the decisions and you cannot disagree or question any of his decisions, Everybody in Heaven is deliriously happy and they all get along with each other, what seems perfectly right to one person cannot be an affront to another otherwise there would be disagreement, disagreement leads to violence, any arguments would be adjudicated by Jesus and the person at fault, unless he/she admitted their error would be banished to Hell. No sport in Heaven, sport is always full of controversy and conflict so no sport allowed, even a friendly non gambling game of poker could lead to problems. All these happy people in Heaven will continue to be happy for eternity, forever, perpetuity without any of the sinful activities that tempted them when they lived in the world, THINGS THAT WILL NOT EXIST IN HEAVEN - Sin and temptation, sex, new children, books, TV, movies, plays, alcohol, any stimulants, politics, disagreements, sport, pets. Of course there is always gardening, that is harmless but after 500 years or so this activity would become a little wearing, Tending the sheep? sorry no animals in Heaven, people only keep animals for food, warmth and companionship, everything in Heaven is provided by God, food, clothes etc. and if you were permitted to keep companion animals sooner or later these would bring you into conflict with neighbors and this won`t be allowed in Heaven, No fights, no wars and everybody is happy sitting down, weaving their baskets and singing hymns, what a wonderful future Christians look forward to and I am really sorry that I`m headed for Hell, WHOA!! Both places are as bad as each other, both would lead to insanity for the residents, WHAT HAVE WE GOT OURSELVES INTO ? ? ?
Q: Pets in Heaven?
A: God's will is done.
Answer: YES. Case closed :-)
This just proves it, some conversations don't need to be had lol. Wow
I think this is a very interesting topic my man
I find it fascinating how many who spurn this kind of topic have never dealt with grief or doubt related to it. It’s as though you think we who have should all agree with you or something and I’m extremely perplexed as to why you would, dare I say, assume that?
Fascinating indeed.
It is interesting that in the creation it simply answers this question. In Gen. 1: 25 "God made the animals of the earth according to [ag]their kind, and the livestock according to [ah]their kind, and everything that crawls on the ground according to its kind; and God saw that it was good."
Genesis 2: 7 Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living [g]person.
In the first passage it says God made the animals. It does not imply that God breathed life into them. In the second passage it states God breathed life into man. One can see that God breathed a holy breath into Man. As God says 'I am holy." Anything that comes from God is holy.
The animals did not receive this breath so therefore they do not have a soul. With not having a soul there is nothing to resurrect so you will not see your pets in Heaven.
I’m pretty sure that God personally breathing life into man is to show His purpose for them. We are in His image, the animals aren’t. He created them but didn’t create death. Had man never sinned the animals wouldn’t have died either. Even Jesus said that the Father loved the birds of the air enough to provide for them. Doesn’t God’s love endure forever?
So you believe that animals couldn't truly die (not being alive), and therefore the Garden may very well have had dead creatures galore? What's the difference between eating a cow and a plant then?
@@robertlewis6915 I am confused by your response. In regards to your first question, if I am understanding it correctly, could animals die in the Garden of Eden? I don't know because the Bible doesn't say they would.
A good follow up question would have been, "Were the animals allowed to eat from the Tree of Life? According to the Bible only Adam and Eve ate from the Tree.
Another item is were the animals allowed in the Garden of Eden? The only ones that had access to the Garden was Adam and Eve according to the Bible.
If an animal died in Eden then I would have to assume, due to God having a plan for all things, the animal would have been taken care of.
What's the difference between eating a cow and a plant then?
Animals did not become fearful of man until after the flood. Then man was allowed to eat of everything on Earth (Genesis 9: 1-3). Prior to the flood man would have ate only the plants and not the animals.
I hope I understood your questions correctly.
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As to animals being in the garden- it seems fairly clear that Adam needed to be adjacent to the animals to name them, and context indicates he remained in the garden.
But why did God establish a difference between eating a cow and an apple if they are both essential non-living?
How can the blood of a lifeless beast be in any way a symbol of Christ's death on the cross?
Why does Scripture continually treat animal death as having some similarity to human death, when it should, according to you, be essentially the same as a plant's death?
I suggest looking up the word 'nephesh' in Hebrew and its usage in the Old Testament, as while I don't remember the details, I believe it will elucidate the reason Christian theology has always held that animals (unlike plants, insects, microbes, fungi) did not die prior to the Fall.
@@robertlewis6915 Where God placed Adam in the Garden the scripture does not say that he was limited to the Garden. Adam would have been able to leave the Garden and go into Eden. If God forced Adam to stay in the Garden then that would have been against Adam having free will. From the scripture I do know that God met Adam in the Garden. The only thing that God told Adam was not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
In regards to the animals it just says that God brought them to Adam to name them. That is very plausible but that doesn't mean Adam was in the Garden when he named them. It just means that wherever Adam was at God brought the animals to him.
The difference between animals and plants, while both are living only the plants was Adam allowed to eat. He was not allowed to eat the animals. That is the difference.
God demanded a blood sacrifice to atone for the sin that Adam and Eve did. Plants do not have blood like we do and the animals have. The Hebrews writer confirms this as well as the Patriarchs and the Priest of Israel. As the blood of the animals was spilled for their sins it still didn't offer the forgiveness that was needed to allow man to dwell with God in Heaven. That would require the sacrifice of a divine nature and that is where Christ comes in.
I did not equate the death of an animal equal to a plant. The fact that God required a death of animal can be seen in the story of Cain and Abel. This is the point that is being made. God said Adam could eat from the plants but did not give permission to eat the animals.
The scripture does not support that animals would not die. In fact quite the opposite. The animals would not have access to the Tree of Life. Adam was the one who had the breath of God breathed into him, none of the animals. How God would have taken care of the dead animals? as I stated in an earlier post I don't know due to the very fact that the scripture doesn't say how that would have been done.
Finally in order to understand the word 'Nephesh" you must go a little farther in the definition of the 'Nephesh'. One needs to look at the word 'Sentience'.
There is testimony of people who have prayed for a dying pet and God sending an angel for them to see as the angel took the soul of their pet, right before their eyes. So, yes, dogs do go to heaven.
But those testimonies are all bullshit.
@@Lili-Benovent animals are in the new earth anyway it says so in Isaias 11:6.
@@iwiwwh2002 No animals in Heaven, Jesus doesn't like them.
@@Lili-Benovent jesus comes back in a white horse. And I cited you that animals are going to be in the new earth.
@@Lili-Benovent u good
This is my baby dawge, not even God can take him away, not if i have any say, any say at all
Wrong mindset
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
Doug normally gives sober answers to bible questions. In this case I believe he used a great deal of imagination in exegesis of this text. I'll take it as a comic departure from his normal work.
1Co_4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, . . .
Fred Flintstone the question is is the Bible say animals have a spirit? No it does not says they don't
Fred Flintstone Couldn’t agree more. Even Doug wants the feel good gospel.
Amen. Doug missed this one by a mile, and it's because, like others, they want this to be true.
Good answer, but I still believe his wrong. His argument is not convincing, and the text he uses.
"I think you misunderstand the term "creation"...."
I think you misunderstand the reason for my posting Rom8;21-23.Whatever the reason the verses being used here in my reply,was about animals not needing restoration,but only man. Does that sound like I was referring to animals? Sounds like I was referring to man being delivered from bondage, as the 'whole creation' groans for it.You need to view my post in the context of what I meant to say.
Is there a difference:'creation' vs 'whole creation'?
... the lion will lie down with the lamb...
At 4:21
We get blessed with a few seconds of talk on our standard meat diet.What a poor
cop out guys ...!
I have much much to say on the matter..without even roasting everyone like an angry vegan
but no time & frankly I know its to each to wake up in due time...
Yeah..lets just laugh at the state of it all instead of trying to reduce suffering to other sentients.
Its Hell on earth for them.
Watch the doco Earthlings & WAKEUP.
Huh? Animals are food. Carnivory is healthy. The healthiest of health food is red meat 100% without question. Three most nutrient dense foods are all animal based.
There are definitely horses in heaven. I do not see it as a far stretch, for the God of creation, that obviously loves variety, for dogs and cats to be there as well.
Revelation 19:14
And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.
I respect what Doug has to say and his reasoning is fairly sound. However I must respectfully disagree with his conclusions. I personally don't think animals should comeback because it undermines Human resurrection. Are animals to be connected to God's life force and live forever as well? Humans have a privileged position of being God's representatives and one of his poignant qualities is his immortality which belivers would inherit. I don't see precident for animals to inherit this quality. Which is essentially what is happening when resurrection takes place. Also I don't think it's an accident that no animal in the bible is ever resurrected even for temporary life in this world. I understand that people want their beloved pets to be with them in the new earth and new heaven but I think many of the arguments atheist use for something being sweet because it doesn't last apply here.
Well Adams sin brought corruption and death into all mammals and birds so why would the second Adams obedience save all mammals and birds
@@stephenglasse9756 Its a fair point that you raise but I believe that this salvation will be akin to changes like carnivorous animals becoming herbivorous. I also think it would be impractical to raise all the animals that have ever died since there are far more of them than there are Humans. This is mainly due to their ability to procreate more prolifically than Humans. Its hard to imagine it would be good for all the plant life for that many herbivorous consumers to exist at one time. I think a component of Human rulership over Earth's gardens will involve some selective and minimal culling of certain animals to maintain harmony.
If our pets are not in Heaven, then I prefer not to go there. I want to go where the animals are and moreso where our past pets are. Imho it's not right for God/Jesus to have animals on this planet and for us to love them, only for them to be non-existant after death. I so hope to see my past pets in the afterlife.
God in all his awesomeness, grandiosity and goodness would not tease us with giving us the biggest loves of our lives for just a short while and then take them back for ever. Bible says that God loves animals more then we do. My 9.5 year old kitty - Angel died on Tuesday unexpectedly and I found him lifeless on the floor upon my arrival from school. The way we understood and loved each other is incomprehensible and impossible to describe in words. The love was so deep, pure and profound... That cat was the biggest and only joy of my life. I went through severe depression few times and he always have been there for me. My heart died with him and life became just an empty shell. I count on God's words and promises to reunite me with him soon. Jesus said that he won't withhold anything from those that love him. In a mean time I can't stop crying. Miss my baby boy so much and I am going through a literal hell here without him.
@saywhatyoumust you shouldn't say that if our pet's are not in heaven you would rather not go because isn't the point of going, to be with God Almighty, the Lord of heaven and Earth, the alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end???? Our pet's did not create us, they deserve no worship whatsoever! There is only one worthy of worship and that is Jesus Christ the King of Kings and Lord of Lords!! Do NOT make your pet an idol!!!!!
I just watched a video of a mouse being killed in a trap. When he died, a blue light arose. So even mice!
*"If our pets are not in Heaven, then I prefer not to go there."* You will get your wish, Saywhatyoumust, because no human goes to heaven. Ever.
*No one has ever gone into heaven* (except Jesus). (John 3:13, NIV)
*No man hath seen God at any time….* (John 1:18, KJV)
* No man hath seen God at any time.* (1 John 4:12 KJV)
God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who *ALONE* is immortal and who lives in UNAPPROACHABLE light, whom *NO ONE HAS SEEN OR CAN SEE.* (1 Timothy 6:15-16, NIV)
@@IsaacNussbaum I do agree with you brother, God alone is holy. But when Jesus returns we will live and rein with Christ for 1,000 years in heaven. After that, our ultimate home will be in the new earth, were we will live with our awesome God... FOR EVER! But your right no one has went to heaven, or is in heaven now. If your dead, your simply sleeping in the grave... Period! God bless you!!
Sorry Doug, I love you but saying 1 Corinthians addresses animals being resurrected is reading your beliefs into the text.
Isaiah 11:6-7.
I am giving you more context if you want
@@markequila9436 that passage does not address what Doug says and is in no way a validation of his 1 Corinthians context
Hell? why would a loving God create something and then if it fails torment it for eternity? Is that how a loving parent would punish their child? NO. God will give eternal life. On earth (He isnt going to simply let Satan change his plan of people living on earth forever). When you die, thats it, there is nothing. Just like before you got here. You will either be resurrected or you will not. I feel sorry for people who think God would create a horrible place like hell and let it go on forever. Satan is running this show right now. He loves having people view God this way and the power he gets from knowing that most of the world thinks He changed everything. Well folks Satan did not change everthing forever. Its a detour but when its over Gods plan will be carried out. Mankind right now is like Job. Satan told God if he backs off and doesnt make everything so nice that He could turn ALL mankind against God. Well He failed and he is pissed off and he is trying to take as many down with him as he can. It can be anytime now. God is going to come when nobody expects it and the whole world is going to change after the God removes satan.
So Jesus was lying half of the time?!
there's a lamb and lion in revelation
One question: " Will cremated pets be resurrected?" I am asking because I hated the idea of my baby rotting in a cold ground and being eaten by warms. He hated cold :-( So, if I had his ashes I could have them with me. Also when I pass away I can have his ashes in my coffin. It sounds dramatic but I really love him beyond what anybody can understand. Thank you
I hope the pets go to heaven..Otherwise we would have to listen to Pastor Doug..I would much rather play with my dog than have to listen to Dougs Rant.
:-) I sure hope so too. I miss my baby boy enormously and the grief is just getting worse. By miracle I am passing tests in nursing school with no studying at all. I know that being in the presence of God is the ultimate happiness but Angel claimed a huge part of my heart that is always going to be empty for as long as he is not with me. God is good and I pray that he will allow my beloved cat be with me in eternity. If I had to choose one being (soul) to be reunited with me in heaven it would be my cat-Angel. I love him best :-)
I do hope so ! Why wouldn't they be resurrected ? I also had my beloved Boxer dog cremated . There are several good utube videos about the subject of pets/animals being in Heaven after they die ; one that I recommend for starters is 'Cats+ Dogs in Heaven:Is it Biblical? (Easy Read Version) ' .
I completely understand you. I've done the same with my companions.
The presence of God is the ultimate happiness, you say; but God is also in your Angel, and in you and every single being. So encountering God will necessarily bring your Angel to you. I cannot conceive of God as a separate entity.
In my observance only one living being loves man SELFLESSLY such as Christ, clue: it's GOD spelled BackWards
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Dogs aren't judgemental either, clearly you missed the point... Christ gave his life for all sin yours and mine... A dog would selflessly sacrifice without question to protect it's master meanwhile humans will barely stop at a crosswalk for their fellow man so whatever... As for the blasphemy comment, you'll be judged by the same measure you judge others... I've seen far more love and humanity displayed by pets as of late than humans and the above commentary reinforces that observation in my opinion... Nice to see no one is exempt from trollish behavior these days, I don't give offense YOU take it... I'll respect your views and opinions you should try to exercise the same.
Furthermore two k9 officers were just shot protecting officers in an ambush... What do dogs do at the retirement home, or at St Judes visiting kids? How about the many service animals for the handicapped and impaired? Or K9 cops and bomb sniffing dogs? Remember Hands and Feet and Deeds? Well those paws produce alot of fruitful deeds and increase the quality of life in so many individuals that to judge them as beasts just shows how much of a beast you are... A pets life is brief and fleeting, so you realize YOURS is the same... Now go Live , love and play the day is at hand...
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Big problem being, of course, that Scripture does *not* say all flesh is seed. That was a pretty convincing argument, but it turns out to not be true, as anyone reading 1 Corinthians 15 will see for themselves.
Nope just animals freely living life only God is the owner!😳
I think the image of man is significant. Other animals do not have this appearance attributable to the appearance of God. Jesus is the Messiah of the Jews and Gentiles, and came back as the Sacrificial Lamb of God-not an actual lamb, but a human (an Israelite). Surely not all animals are perfect-take a great white shark. Are they destined for heaven or hell? Do they have a Messiah that God sent to save them from Hell? Surely they need one, one would think, since all they do is kill. But God designed them that way; are they a natural enemy? Perhaps designed as a way to explain/understand demons in the spiritual world? Perhaps humans could intercept with certain animals in prayer?
TroddinSod, I think you misunderstand the term "creation" being used here in Rom. 8:21. Whatever this creation is here in this verse, it is under bondage and looking forward to becoming a child of God. Does that sound like an animal to you? Sound like men being set free from the bondage of sin to become children of God. You need to view these verses in context of the whole book of Romans.
We know there will be cats in heaven...otherwise where would they get the strings for the harps. bdump tsss.
Dr. John MacArther disagrees. And so do I. Mankind is made in God’s image; animals are not. We will not NEED pets in heaven; we won’t even need on another. We will be CHANGED & will have all we need in the Godhead. The horses in Revelation are specific to their tasks.
"Heaven" is getting quite big.