Those machines are too big. No way were they made by mankind. They are truly monster sized for those things mankind was nevers ments to knows. Thanks Yous!
If you want to see a big machine, check out the silver spade it makes these machines look like kids toys. The bucket on the silver spade is 107 yards in one scoop.
Well that's pretty cool! I can't imagine how much this mine has changed in the last 50 years. I wish I could go back in time and see it then....and all of AZ for that matter. Thanks for watching Gary!
Same equipment, shovels, trucks, drills, bulldozers, and graders as 50 years ago, just bigger. My grandfather would feel right at home except that back in his day 80 years ago it was 120B shovels loading 15 and 20 ton Euclids.
The shovel is INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE to own and operate. There should NEVER be ab empty slot where the shovel is waiting. The site engineer and planner cost this company Big money. Trucks should be stacked a few trucks deep to insure the shovel is Never waiting.
There are several reasons to short trucks at a shovel. Trucks aren't cheap or infinite either. Several down unexpectedly can wreak havoc on a production schedule. Ore shovels can be throttled for grade control. Ore production takes priority over stripping if trucks are short. Blasts cause delays. Weather causes delays. Breakdowns and tooth changes cause delays. Rubber bulls cleaning up around the shovel cause delays. Moving equipment elsewhere, like shovels and drills, causes delays.
remarkable power behind these machines! I'm no expert in mining shovels, so what makes power shovels more suitable for certain applications then hydraulic shovels? Is it because they have a bigger capacity or something? They just look like they're much more to handle...
Ya they are generally bigger tho hydraulic diesel shovels have gotten bigger and bigger. The shovel never needs to be stoped for fuel, better reach for dual side loading, and fuel/grid power price comes into play as well.
The buckets are way bigger and they rarely need to stop for any sort of fluids asides from an occasional greasing. They're a lot more of a pain in the ass to move though. Typically our electrics stay in one locations for weeks or months and they use the hydraulics and 3600 excavators for jobs where the geology blocks are smaller and more likely to be done quickly. To paraphrase: Electrics: more production Hydraulics: more mobile.
I really can't say. I only see the mine from this view, and that is only maybe once every year or two. I don't know if the shovel can be cycled any faster, but the trucks showing up at the shovel weren't a constant stream that day. Could be for any number of reasons that I'm not aware of. I have seen in the past 4 or 5 trucks lined up at each shovel and some real dirt being moved.
Depends on how many trucks are available and what else is going on. Typically ore gets priority over stripping and some ore shovels may be throttled for grade control. There are also truck surges during the shift. Five trucks lined up waiting at a shovel is a waste of resources. Ideally the next truck would show up just before the previous one is finished loading. Never happens, but it's a goal.
there appears to be a fair amount of money thrown out the window with those trucks just sitting there waiting so long to be loaded. Maybe this was just an off moment?
You said that the gravity just pulls the door open. But there is some kind of a control or something like a button in the operator cab to open up the bucket door for unloading the material?
There is the cable that is attached to the trip mechanism on the bottom of the bucket, operator pushes a button and the motor pulls the cable and trips the bucket to open.
For sure! Normal everyday summertime temps here are 105°-108°, and then when we get those mid-summer heat waves, it'll bump up to the 115°-117° range. Occasionally even hotter.
I've gotta say, I'm a bit envious of your coolish climate there. I mean I love Arizona here in the US and it's deserts, but I love them more when they're in the 60°-70°F range.
Well, that sounds just great! We got up 102°F (38.8°C) a couple of days ago and have eased back down to 99° (37.2°C) today. Anyway, we've got 4 straight months ahead now where we'll be over 100° every single day, so please enjoy those nice temps there. I surely would love them. Cheers!
+samanli2014 It is supplied with all the electricity it needs from that line that is coming out from the track frame behind the shovel. The line is strung up and over the 2 poles that the trucks are driving through on the right side of the video. It looks small in the video, but I imagine it is probably around 4-inches in diameter. And it carries a lot of juice.
Not sure about all site but ours has entire substations drawing from the main grid that the cables draw off of. There are literally miles and miles of cables running around the site that power everything from the shovels to the lights and heat in the break shacks. There are full time utility crews that look after all of it.
Gravity does the opening and closing. The cable/chain pulls the latch that locks the hatch in the closed position. When the bucket is being emptied, the hatch is horizontal to the ground, so gravity just pulls it open and the dirt and rocks fall out into the truck. After dumping, the hatch stays vertical until the bucket is lowered to dig the next scoop, the bucket eventually becomes vertical and meets the hatch and the locking mechanism automatically locks the hatch to the bucket again. Pretty ingenious to let gravity do the work instead of a complicated mechanical system.
Bucket is tensioned to stay closed. You release the trip cable to open it, then close it to restore the tension. If you work in a mine you'll hear shovel operators calling for shims to be removed or added depending on what their bucket is doing.
+carbon extractor I was also wondering that. Some places don't like you to for safety reasons but that second truck was way to far out and waited for the bucket to be spotted before he even started back. If I was the operator I would have been on the radio asking him what his problem was. Fucking up my production numbers.
Yeah I was curious about that. The only place we aren't allowed to self spot is blind side on hyrdraulics because they move around too much. It's possible that the operator in this one is just new and not confident yet.
Awesome video. I worked shovel and drill at Mission. Brings back memories.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
That operator must play a musical instrument. What smooth performance.
Beautiful machinery right here.
That gives a whole new meaning to 4 scoops.HA HA HA.
Some trucks may be in the shop? The crusher may be far away or slow?
Im in total amazement this thing weighs 1500 tonnes !!!!!!!!
Thanks for posting this, awesome video.
Those machines are too big. No way were they made by mankind. They are truly monster sized for those things mankind was nevers ments to knows. Thanks Yous!
If you want to see a big machine, check out the silver spade it makes these machines look like kids toys. The bucket on the silver spade is 107 yards in one scoop.
magnifique !!! un vrai régal merci
Thanks. I wasn't sure. I thought it resembled a Komatsu.
Thank you.
So, my dad worked in that area out of college. Would of been in the late 60’s. I’ll have to ask him witch mines he worked.
Well that's pretty cool! I can't imagine how much this mine has changed in the last 50 years. I wish I could go back in time and see it then....and all of AZ for that matter. Thanks for watching Gary!
Same equipment, shovels, trucks, drills, bulldozers, and graders as 50 years ago, just bigger. My grandfather would feel right at home except that back in his day 80 years ago it was 120B shovels loading 15 and 20 ton Euclids.
The shovel is INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE to own and operate.
There should NEVER be ab empty slot where the shovel is waiting. The site engineer and planner cost this company Big money. Trucks should be stacked a few trucks deep to insure the shovel is Never waiting.
Lol shovels wait all the time... what the heck are you talking about?
There are several reasons to short trucks at a shovel. Trucks aren't cheap or infinite either. Several down unexpectedly can wreak havoc on a production schedule.
Ore shovels can be throttled for grade control. Ore production takes priority over stripping if trucks are short. Blasts cause delays. Weather causes delays. Breakdowns and tooth changes cause delays. Rubber bulls cleaning up around the shovel cause delays. Moving equipment elsewhere, like shovels and drills, causes delays.
P&H 4100 💪 💪 💪
shovel is smooth and trucks wait there positioning by the operator ...
remarkable power behind these machines! I'm no expert in mining shovels, so what makes power shovels more suitable for certain applications then hydraulic shovels? Is it because they have a bigger capacity or something? They just look like they're much more to handle...
Ya they are generally bigger tho hydraulic diesel shovels have gotten bigger and bigger. The shovel never needs to be stoped for fuel, better reach for dual side loading, and fuel/grid power price comes into play as well.
The buckets are way bigger and they rarely need to stop for any sort of fluids asides from an occasional greasing. They're a lot more of a pain in the ass to move though. Typically our electrics stay in one locations for weeks or months and they use the hydraulics and 3600 excavators for jobs where the geology blocks are smaller and more likely to be done quickly.
To paraphrase: Electrics: more production
Hydraulics: more mobile.
Electrics tend to last longer and need less downtime too. That being said, hydraulics are getting better, bigger, and last longer all the time.
Yeah, impressive!
Hi,
And really appreciate the upload, thank you so much.
mrbluenun
Now this is how you play in the sand box...lol
I really can't say. I only see the mine from this view, and that is only maybe once every year or two. I don't know if the shovel can be cycled any faster, but the trucks showing up at the shovel weren't a constant stream that day. Could be for any number of reasons that I'm not aware of. I have seen in the past 4 or 5 trucks lined up at each shovel and some real dirt being moved.
Depends on how many trucks are available and what else is going on. Typically ore gets priority over stripping and some ore shovels may be throttled for grade control. There are also truck surges during the shift.
Five trucks lined up waiting at a shovel is a waste of resources. Ideally the next truck would show up just before the previous one is finished loading. Never happens, but it's a goal.
@@lowercherty That magical balancing point...like a unicorn, I bet.
@@lowercherty Thanks for that good information. 👍
Slooooow those truckers need some flags on the counterweight or something the second truck should have been in there spotted and waiting
this is the mine I work at< recognize truck an shovel numbers lol oh an that's a CAT truck on the right not a komatsu btw
there appears to be a fair amount of money thrown out the window with those trucks just sitting there waiting so long to be loaded. Maybe this was just an off moment?
Monster 👍
Thanks for watching.
Taconite pellets?
No, it's a copper mine. Raw ore here.
You said that the gravity just pulls the door open. But there is some kind of a control or something like a button in the operator cab to open up the bucket door for unloading the material?
I would guess either a button or maybe a trigger that the operator pulls to get the hatch on the bucket to open.
Yeah... Thanks a lot...
Danish Ali You're welcome.
There is the cable that is attached to the trip mechanism on the bottom of the bucket, operator pushes a button and the motor pulls the cable and trips the bucket to open.
sutton goodman That's a nice clarification on the mechanism. Thanks
Looking at some other mining videos, the Liebherr r9800 loads these trucks a lot faster, even though it's half the weight of this monster. What gives?
DavenH The r9800 is a smaller machine and is probably loading smaller dump trucks.
Autumn Ferrel Likely. Sometimes it's hard to get the sense of scale.
+DavenH The P&H 4100 is the most productive shovel build and hold many records.
Banco doble? Peligro vivoooo..
P&H good digger
dam he is loading bug dust
Imagine the heat out there
The strain it must put in the cooling and oils..
For sure! Normal everyday summertime temps here are 105°-108°, and then when we get those mid-summer heat waves, it'll bump up to the 115°-117° range. Occasionally even hotter.
@@espeescotty
Omg 😳
That’s unbelievable
As a guy in Uk 🇬🇧 that’s really not travelled . 😌
The hottest I’ve ever know is 100c..
I've gotta say, I'm a bit envious of your coolish climate there. I mean I love Arizona here in the US and it's deserts, but I love them more when they're in the 60°-70°F range.
@@espeescotty
It’s currently overcast and temperature is 55f. 12.5 c
Perfect for work
Well, that sounds just great! We got up 102°F (38.8°C) a couple of days ago and have eased back down to 99° (37.2°C) today. Anyway, we've got 4 straight months ahead now where we'll be over 100° every single day, so please enjoy those nice temps there. I surely would love them. Cheers!
Does it have a diesel generator to recharge its batteries?
+samanli2014 It is supplied with all the electricity it needs from that line that is coming out from the track frame behind the shovel. The line is strung up and over the 2 poles that the trucks are driving through on the right side of the video. It looks small in the video, but I imagine it is probably around 4-inches in diameter. And it carries a lot of juice.
Not sure about all site but ours has entire substations drawing from the main grid that the cables draw off of. There are literally miles and miles of cables running around the site that power everything from the shovels to the lights and heat in the break shacks. There are full time utility crews that look after all of it.
Are you really that stupid ?
@@Hugh1966
Thinks it’s a Tesla 😂..
Imagine the size of the battery flipping hell..
how do the buckets open and close with just a bit of chain and rope?
Gravity does the opening and closing. The cable/chain pulls the latch that locks the hatch in the closed position. When the bucket is being emptied, the hatch is horizontal to the ground, so gravity just pulls it open and the dirt and rocks fall out into the truck. After dumping, the hatch stays vertical until the bucket is lowered to dig the next scoop, the bucket eventually becomes vertical and meets the hatch and the locking mechanism automatically locks the hatch to the bucket again. Pretty ingenious to let gravity do the work instead of a complicated mechanical system.
ah thanks. I wondered about opening the bigger buckets with quite a few tons of muck resting on the hatch.
Fleur Black You're welcome.
Bucket is tensioned to stay closed. You release the trip cable to open it, then close it to restore the tension. If you work in a mine you'll hear shovel operators calling for shims to be removed or added depending on what their bucket is doing.
@@BucketOfSuck if dutchmen insert is worn out or the latch itself, shims are useless.
how much do one of these cost
I believe it’s 15 million for one.
Hes got the truks spoted way to far away from the shovel taken way to long to load them
why aren't your trucks self spotting
+carbon extractor I was also wondering that. Some places don't like you to for safety reasons but that second truck was way to far out and waited for the bucket to be spotted before he even started back. If I was the operator I would have been on the radio asking him what his problem was. Fucking up my production numbers.
johnabuick youre one of those guys eh.
Yeah I was curious about that. The only place we aren't allowed to self spot is blind side on hyrdraulics because they move around too much.
It's possible that the operator in this one is just new and not confident yet.
Ese libherr el conductor es un demoron mata tiempo el otro llegó después y ya se aculataba rápido
es el mejor con motor MTU 20v
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