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not gonna lie, I do miss being able to do wheelies and I specifically miss being able to do tricks on ramps like in wario's gold mine, but yeah the absolute chaos that this game brought due to its lack of balancing and just straight up luck factor was enough to make you wanna tear your hair out sometimes
I like the chaos of items. Its hat makes mariokart mariokart. However, I think double dash did it the best. It has very frequent and chaotic items, but the hitstun is short so it makes it more intense.
9:07 this is the best section of the video easily, the improvements made in 7 and especially 8 deluxe are fantastic. I know a lot of people who complain about the distance mechanic, despite it completely fixing cluster issue that was mentioned. It forces you to play smarter with better items, so you can save them for when you really need them. The fact that powerful items can't be obtained on the first box was also one of the best changes for the series.
@notsocooldude7720 while this is true it's also probably made with smuggling in mind, it helps higher rankings get good items at the cost of that person losing their items. Its a fair trade and prevents somebody from smuggling a Blue Shell into 1st place for an easier win
I don't know man, I feel like the chaos is what used to be so charming about Mario Kart. Double Dash and Wii are the best ones to me because it's just mayhem. MK7 and 8 feel so lifeless because of how they fine tuned the item balance and controls. The polish of these games kinda sucked out the essence of what is Mario Kart to me. And besides, Wii/DD control absolutely fine if you are just a bit careful with your driving imo. And it's not just nostalgia. I played both not so long ago and they're just as fun as I remember them being. I play other racing games for when I actually want to properly race and drive.
I like both I like utter chaos and I like winning because I was better than the other and not because I got lucky but it's fun to just be completely overwhelmed by bowser shells and chain chomps
Mkwii is the Melee of mariokart. It has the highest skill ceiling and the most depth in mechanics. It is also the most competitive mariokart because of its item balance. Just like Melee it will never die and always have a dedicated community.
...and it also suffers from having a much less refined gameplay experience outside of that niche competitive play. Its physics are broken, its balance is horrible (regarding both items and vehicles), and it has a lot of questionable design choices in general. But god dammit that niche competitive gameplay is too fun to pass up
I personally think that MKWii is much more skill based than luck based compared to MK8DX. Wii has a ton of high-skill shortcuts that have raised the skill ceiling really high. 8DX doesn’t have any high-skill shortcuts. Also I’d absolutely take the thunder cloud, pow block, and mega mushroom over the coin, boomerang and fire flower. Those items suck Edit: After putting a significant amount of time into MK8DX and it’s online after making this initial comment, my opinion still stands. Putting aside the rough but serviceable net code that leads to a ton of “phantom” hits, MK8DX still feels much more item and luck based compared to Wii, to me at least. The overall scale of 8DX is so vastly different compared to Wii, where items like the shells and obstacles like goombas are around the same size as a medium player car. I also still think the boomerang and fire flower are way too good. Both have no telegraphing, the boomerang goes through back trails, and the fire flower can be used like a shotgun which is very effective. Also the red shell is a missile in 8DX compared to Wii, and rarely misses. Partner all of that with how grabby Lakitu is, and yeah I still think Wii is much more skill-based than luck based.
I sometimes forget not everyone has the same compulsion to go deep into the mechanics of every game they play "mario kart wii is the one your driving skills matter the least" makes a lot more sense to me if your only comparing playing it casually a few years back to playing 8D casually now.
Astronaut continues to have the best take on everything except mario kart gameplay. Sure Mario Kart Wii's itemplay is brutal, but to call it the most luck based, even going as far to compare it to Baby Park couldn't be further from the truth. I'd go as far as to say it is the Mario Kart game with the highest mechanical depth in the series and that getting proficient is both extremely challenging, and incredibly satisfying. But that said, to experience this side of the game, you likely have to go out of your way to pick one of the few "meta-defining" vehicles in the game and learn some of the game's more complex shortcuts/techniques. What astounds me though is that Astronaut went as far as to describe the modding scene and custom tracks, but has a complete disconnect about this game's skill ceiling in spite of this normally less common knowledge
As far as I know Wii is considered to be the most skilled by the Mario Kart Community. When he brought up 8 having a better item system I was baffled as if you played 8 Deluxe, you’d realize how stupidly common are reds and how some tracks determine the races after the first lap such as Mute City and Ice Ice Outpost.
yeah this kinda baffled me, mario kart 8's item balancing is by far some of the absolute worst in the series. people like to dump on wii but 8 really doesnt get enough criticism
@@jos4669 Another problem that 8 and 8 Deluxe has exclusively are backward throw items. In the other Mario Kart games, throwing shells back travels slower then throwing them at the front, which allows your opponents to react, however in 8 and 8 Deluxe, backward thrown shells travel the same speed as throwing them in the front which gives players no time to react.
@@AngryMiddleAgedMan Super Mario Kart is actual nothingness - as is Mario Kart: Super Circuit. Wii may not have Double Dash's chaos, but unlike 8 and 7, it isn't fucking boring.
@@AngryMiddleAgedMan That is an objective answer, numpty. Those two games are worse than Mario Kart Wii in every possible way. Besides, this entire video is just the man's personal opinion, anyway.
Absolutely agree with you when it comes down to the items. You could do absolutely perfectly in a race, and still get a relatively low place, (or somehow get 1st and only get 2 stars), but I still personally love the physics in the game. It feels more wild and like the speed is actually there. Compared to 7/8, which I believe feels more railroaded and less chaotic, Wii feels faster and much more fun to me personally. Otherwise cap, you're pretty much totally right, totally agree
@@XyLo2517in 8 sure. In 8 deluxe if that’s the case you’re just bad. If you’re good at getting double item boxes and using your coins (holding a coin guarantees you’ll get a defensive item next) you shouldn’t be left defenseless.
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi ok that’s simply not true… I AM actually talking about 8 deluxe because ONLY in that game can multiple shocks be out at once… in mk wii another shock CANNOT happen within a certain amount of time (26/32 seconds iirc) within another shock happening making shock dodges and comebacks actually skillful and calculated… also in deluxe second place can just get double red shells a majority of time time and first is almost guaranteed a coin in one of their slots so if you do the math thats 1 item for protection every item box row for every two red shells 2nd place gets and you can clearly see holding a lead becomes near impossible at that point… and for whatever reason 2nd place has a possibility of getting TRIPLE reds which is over the top ridiculous… there’s a video I can link you too that explains things way more in depth if you’re interested in learning more as I have endless hours on both mk wii AND both 8 and deluxe and I can say without a doubt wii is better…
@@XyLo2517 The shock timer is in 8 deluxe as well, it prevents shocks being pulled for 30 seconds after the first is pulled. Double shocks can only happen if the first person waits a long time, and then the second person dodges, which is very unlikely. Though it can still happen. There is absolutely skill and calculation in 8dx shock dodging, the existence of double shocks in no way disproves that. If you don’t think so you haven’t seen enough high level 8dx, particularly on bagging tracks where shock dodging is at its most relevant. Also you’re just definitively wrong saying second place commonly gets double red shells. Unless first has a large breakaway second has a 36.9% of pulling a red shell, so the chances of a double red is 13.6%. Not impossible, but it is very far from constant or even likely. Also keep in mind second won’t always want to use both their red shells because doing so leaves them defenseless, and it’s also possible for first to pull double defense (9.18% if I calculated correctly which is just below the chance for second to pull double reds.) And yes those unfair moments DO still happen, I’m not denying that, sometimes second gets triple reds (though that’s only if first is super far ahead) or double reds. But those unfair moments happen in MKWii too. In particular blue shells are generally much more common. It’s a maximum 30% chance every item set that somebody pulls a blue shell, and while rates won’t actually be that high assuming not everybody chains their items it’s still leagues higher than anything you’ll see in a real game of 8dx. Not to mention dodging a blue is even less reliable than in 8dx, given horns don’t exist and holding a mushroom leaves you defenseless from reds, unlike dx’s double items which let you carry both mushrooms and defense. Realistically both games can (and often do) unfairly rob first of wins, it just happens more often because of reds in 8dx and blues in Wii.
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi the fact double shocks are even possible in the first place is a red flag. Not to mention you don’t get shocked if you’re behind the shock used which means you can just have them shock and the person behind them use shock… also the red shells in 8 are just painfully too common.. they’re much more balanced in wii. And there’s a slew of items in 8 that don’t even do anything (excluding the coin) case in point the pirahna plant and fire flower. Wii did have the TC but it was thrown in to intentionally be detrimental to the user. Meanwhile the plant and fire flower take up an entire slot for an extended period time which is a slot you can’t use for another item. Triple bananas are also a sham since you can’t even tailgate all 3 of them. Not even the shells act as a consistent barrier since the gap is big enough for a red shell to hit you. Protection in this game is just downright awful and before you say wii had no way to hit first with the red shell, the fake item box was the equalizer which didn’t protect you from reds but you didn’t get it every time
I can certianly understand all the points brought up. For me, what makes 7 and 8 so boring compared to wii (and even DS) is the lack of interesting item play. In deluxe specifically, every race devolves into everybody getting nothing but mushrooms and stars for 99% of the race, while someone in first is just coasting along with no threats at all. Whilst the rest of the pack are hitting each other with endless stars and the few normal items getting thrown around, which just means it is extremely difficult to break out ahead of the pack. With wii, i feel like there are more "unblockables" in the form of lightning, thunder clouds, mega mushrooms, pow blocks, blue shells getting thrown around that makes every game more interesting overall. You never know whats going to happen and it is always possible to break out of the main pack and into the top placings, without having the issue deluxe has of nothing but boost items. It can certainly be tuned to be a bit fairer for sure in wii, but the absolute chaos leads to more fun ultimately. You can have someone running an optimal build and they still lose cus of the fun item play, whereas in deluxe everyone uses waluigi/wiggler car/tiny wheels and those who do almost always take up the top couple of spots, and as such never get hit by anything like i mentioned before. Not to mention that the red shells can "cheat" somewhat in wii, meaning that you have to angle your car right to block them instead of just "hold a banana behind you for instant block". Theres just no skill to the item play or base driving mechanics in deluxe, whereas its the complete opposite for wii. Theres more bullshit, but also more ways to deal with said bullshit in interesting ways.
If you played online in 8 Deluxe, players in the front have to deal with countless reds thrown from players in the middle. Assuming that the players in the front have the same skill level, the race just devolves into how many reds can I pull to overtake the person in front of me.
@@burnypython8230 I've unfortunately played tons of 8 deluxe online, and from my experience you get: 1st place tearing away in a waluigi/wiggler/roller wheels combo with bananas/green shells to easily defend from 2nd 2nd place a bit behind (usually with a very similar kart combo) and never catching up cus 1st gets defensive items that take no skill to use, just drag behind to easily block anytthing. so 2nd usually also assumes defense and essentially plays the same as 1st 3rd - 5th getting red shells, other interesting items for a variety of uses. rarely allows them to break into the top 2 and they just sorta jostle amongst themselves and occassionally swap places with some lower placed players 6th -12th getting nothing but mushrooms/stars/bullet bills, which ultimately do not help them to break out of the lower half because they just end up hitting each other and not actually catching up to the top of the pack much. maybe break into the 3rd to 5th group at best Theres just very little way for people to swap positions very much at all, the item play does not really allow for comeback plays at all. blue shells are rare, and if they do hit the worst that happens usually is 1st goes down to 4th. but mostly they either keep their place or swap with 2nd cus they are THAT far ahead with no threats, not to mention the horn just invalidates the blue so 1st has even less to potentially worry about. lightning affects everyone, and can bring the overall pack together a bit, but not by a whole lot. its mostly just 4th and below hitting each other and not getting much of an advantage of the rest, with the top few placings being a lock from the start of a race. you can be playing your ass off and theres just no advanced mechanics to take advantage on to get the edge; drifting is easy and uninteresting, items do barely anything a lot of the time as mentioned, the best you get is item smuggling but again, how do you break out of a clustered pack carrying powerful items if you can rarely even get out of said pack even using items to do so? then with wii, there is always the chance to make a break because it has wilder items that can be pulled at a multitude of places; there was never cases of "okay i got X item and nothing but and i cannot escape the pack" in wii. and wii has actually interesting and rewarding driving mechanics to begin with, so you can rely on those to help you get up in the race if you are good enough, and item smuggling is easier because of it, which allows you to make some incredible comebacks.
@@matlotl About item comebacks it depends on what track you are playing on. If you are playing on a smuggling track like Dry Dry Desert or Yoshi Circuit, the race is free for players in the back as you get so much value from speed items, plus there is a bullet extension spot on the waterfall in Yoshi Circuit. However the unfortunate part is that most of the tracks are pure frontrunning where if you get screwed over in the beginning, there is no way you can make a comeback. One more problem I forgot to mention in 8 and 8 Deluxe are back thrown items. In other Mario Kart games, back thrown shells travel slower than shells thrown frontwards so players can react. However, in 8 and 8 Deluxe, back thrown shells travel the same speed, which gives players no time to react.
@@burnypython8230 my man, red shells go for the player in front. The player in first place has to deal red shells from the second and maybe third in some cases, and those two need to worry about that plus all the bullshit in the pack
I don't have any nostalgia for this game (I grew up with MKDS, not Wii), but how could it be the worst MK when Super Mario Kart and Mario Kart Tour exist?
Super Mario Kart is really not a bad game as long as you know how to play it. It's simple and fun, and certainly the most unique game in the series. I don't think Tour should be counted. Nobody counts Arcade GP 1 or 2, so nobody should count Tour either.
@@alfiehicks1 whether you like it or not those games are in the "mario kart series". Tour is even having some of it's courses brought over to 8 deluxe! If he wanted to be specific, he should of said "console mario kart games" but he didn't and I still wouldn't consider it the worst as a lot of the later games use or made slight changes to mario kart Wii's features.
@@thepikachugamer Just because it's the first one doesn't mean it's free to be called the worst. In fact it's better that way because it means the developper knows what to do and what not to do for better sequels
It’s still one of the weaker Mario Kart games, still nowhere near as bad as SMK and Tour, I genuinely don’t understand how those two games even have fans
Almost all of the main complaints aren’t even true or can be mediated. 1. 3/4 controller options don’t use motion steering. 2. Lack of vehicle balance doesn’t exactly define gameplay. You can still play the entire game and do everything with a few of the best vehicles, which is what most people do. 3. Online service still exists through wiimmfi servers in which hackers are banned. 4. The modern ctgp time trial leaderboards are secure and don’t have hacked times either. Even before 2014, community leaderboards would offer correct rankings because nobody considered nintendo’s to be accurate. 5. Complaining about luck in a mario kart game lol. Many people would even say mkw is less luck based than mk8 considering how high the skill cap in mkw can be. And even if item luck isn’t your thing, that’s what time trials or online tt is for. Success is determined solely by driving in those modes. 6. There are not any unlockables that need above 1 star rank which is essentially guaranteed if you get 60 points. 3 star rank is just for extra clout. 7. The addition of coins arguably makes getting hit worse than in mkw because you lose even more speed over time from the lost coins. 8. If you bring up frantic items mode in mk8, then you have to acknowledge the strategic items mode in mkw that removes all power items that were complained about earlier.
The general consensus is that MKWii is the best game, but that’s really only because of nostalgia and the continually active and large community. I personally love MKWii but it’s definitely over glorified by too many people. I think one point that Is bring up in response to your points is that many people like the chaos that’s seen in MKWii and combining that with all of the good things you said at the beginning of the video, it makes for a spectacular game. Personally my favorite is MK7, but that’s not a very popular pick at all, so I can see why MKWii and MK8 are the two most popular.
It's loved for the same reasons people love melee. It's skill based. Especially it's hard to keep a first place unlike mk8 where you just kinda stays first
mkwii has terrible balance and chaotic racing if you don't know what you're doing. but everyone forgets about the terrible balance because everyone uses funky flam or daisy mach and everyone who plays it a lot knows about all the theory of when to be in what place to most likely get this item. time trial wise, mkwii is most involved, having more engaging mechanics like wheelies and tricks. so if you play casually, it might suck. once you know the game its not terrible
Pretty much this. You can tell how little someone knows about the game based on how they criticize it. And that's assuming the gameplay shown throughout this video wasn't evidence enough that he doesn't know what he's doing in this game.
Mario kart Wii is more competitive and take skill as each character and vehicle actually affects the gameplay.Mario kart wii has a committed community and speed running community.Although later versions of Mario kart have more diversity,maps etc later versions lack competition and ways to learn the game.with Mario kart wii the game forces you to learn how to play each character and vehicle.Personally I respect Mario kart wii and other Mario kart games but I would have to stick with Mario kart wii as it has a more committed community than Mario kart 8
"You don't need to drive good to win in mario kart wii" "in Mario Kart 8, you don't lose your items when falling off" So in mario kart 8, the game that doesn't punish you for bad driving, the game tells you to drive good?
I mean, there's a difference between not being punished too harshly if you mess a shortcut jump And You got a Bullet Bill at the end of lap 3 so you jumped from 12th to 1st and won
@@CaptainAstronaut I feel like I have to point out that bullet bill in mariokart wii will only get you 5 positions ahead. It has both a time limit and position limit, so if you use it at 12th place itll drop you 7th or 8th, sure the wind down time happens after you pass the fifth driver so you might be able to pass more racers, but since you can time the use yourself that makes it a skill based effect, you should try to save it till you are 6th or 5th to get the best outcome. I feel like shortcuts are meant to be punishing if you fail them, that makes the game more skill based. You get rewarded for being good at the game if you manage to use the shortcut, and get punished for not being good enough. Also I think your point about mkwii being more luck based, is simply not true. Everything that would make the game luck based, you can affect with a good strategy. Notice theres a big clump of racers? Nice this is good time to drop a few places to get stronger item. Notice a red shell coming for your ass? Time to change your driving line so that the redshell hits the wall before you. Blueshells keep f'ing up your races? Just use a well timed mushroom or boost pad to dodge it. Or simply wait around 2nd place with a power item to dodge the eventual blueshell and win the race before the next one comes? Oh the lightning took away your items? Well luckily theres a delay in when people can get the lightning so you can save a strong item for that time and because people often spam it you can time you star/mega mush/bullet to get a shock dodge and way ahead.
a lot of people that like this game are mega obsessed. i bet they get super excited when a new wii course is added to the booster course pack because they can tear it to shreds and say it “isnt as good as the original” to make the excuse that mkwii is better.
Wii was like the best one! I would spend hours playing online. There was one time it was just me one other person in a lobby and, without voice chat, we went back and forth picking maps and teaching eachother shortcuts.
@@Tadzy My point was there was something lost when 8 only let you pick from a handful of tracks rather than the entire library. That, and Wii had a wider and more interesting selection of battle stages, too. Funky Stadium was a perfect battle map, I have no idea why it hasn't returned.
Time to defend my favorite Mario Kart of all time: 1. The physics may not be as good as MK8 nowadays, but that’s the same deal with older mario kart games in general. You just have to get used to it more. 2. There are some extremely good picks for tracks in this game such as coconut mall, DK Summit, N64 DK’s Jungle Parkway, Moonview Highway, Moo Moo Meadows, Wii Rainbow Road, and the list goes on and on 3. A lot of the music in this game is super catchy 4. The Mega Mushroom is really fun and satisfying to crush other racers 5. The graphics may not look the best, but it is the Wii after all, which was really underpowered for its time 6. The game can be very enjoyable when putting a good amount of time into it. 7. Yes the game may be more brutal, but that’s what makes mario kart shine as a whole. The chaotic and mayhem factors that MKWii and the older games have is what makes them super enjoyable. I’m not saying it’s the best one, but it definitely beats most Mario Kart games out there, as one of the few older mario karts to age pretty well if you put in some time to the game nowadays. Edit: Yes, there were 2 items (Storm cloud and POW block) that were not so great, but that aside, it is still a really fun game
Mario Kart DS came out four years earlier and the handling in that game is absolutely rock solid, arguably better than MK8. They consciously decided to make MKWii a pile of slippery garbage for literally no reason. Likewise, the graphics just look ugly. They looked ugly at the time, and they still look ugly now. Awful, shiny, plastic character models, bloom up the ass and bizarrely 'washy' textures make for a game that is visually repulsive, and a considerable step down from Double Dash, which was on weaker hardware. I'd even say that DS has a better overall aesthetic. You can't really brush off fundamental issues by saying 'its an old game' when none of the previous (older) games suffer from those issues.
Refreshing to see a standout opinion on this game for once, and I can't say I disagree with your points. I remember renting this back in 2008 and found it very frustrating to play then, even with my buddy over! We were excited to try this out, but ended up going back to playing Brawl after getting "Mario Karted" (the guys on GameFAQs had another word for it, but can't say it here) out of wins constantly on our quest to get 3-star rankings. Picked it up half a decade later to give it another shot and unleash my inner tryhard. Turns out, karts and Birdo are irrelevant, wheelie chaining and ultra cuts aren't nearly as fun as spamming miniturbos offroad or longboosting off of jumpads and demolishing entire tracks, and half the courses make Vanilla Lake 2 look like a joyful experience by comparison! Those are just a few of my gripes, but I would honestly rather play any other Mario Kart over Wii. Yes, even 8 Deluxe and Super Circuit. It's a fine game on its own, but titles like Double Dash, DS, and even SMK are WAY more fun and skill-instensive than the internet would have you believe. Thanks for uploading!
I can't help but be a little...disapointed with this video. Wii is my favorite, so I was interested in seeing a different perspective from mine, but the critiques here are lacking compared to your usual output. The gameplay section only went into item balance and physics. No talk of the mechanics, the course design, or even anything outside of grand prix. I'm not saying these would save the game for you, but they should be mentioned because they address some of your complaints. Wii has a lot of tricks that are hard to learn and help with shortcuts, wouldn't that make it closer to a skill-based game? You mentioned Wii had bad course design in another video. That one said a bit about Coconut Mall, but what about the other Nitro tracks, how are they poorly designed? Wii also has an option to lower the frequency of powerful items, does that change enough? If not, why? This is probably why the video is such a letdown for me, it doesn't feel like a proper critique.
Many hot but valid takes, but I think the unlock system in wii is very fulfilling. It's annoying that stars earned in higher cc grand prix don't trickle down to the slower ones, something they would do in 8, but the specific goals for specific karts and characters gives you a challenge that just collecting coins in MK8 doesn't. I've played a lot of Mario Kart Wii and because of the way the unlock system is structured I make it a goal to try to unlock stuff every time I play it on a random wii
Interestingly, I agree with many of the points, and those are the reasons why I think Mario Kart Wii is the best Mario Kart game. One point, the main problem you had with the game, the increased dependency on luck, was a huge reason I loved it, because it meant it was always fun with friends. Playing some of the other games with friends of varying skill levels always feels kind of dull because there's such a gap that item interactions ended up being kinda rare. Mario Kart Wii aggressively levels the playing field, making interesting events constant. Oh, the worst player among us is suddenly first now right before the end of the race because of a bullet bill? Oh, the blue shell knocked you out right before the ending, causing you to lose? Oh, you were in the way of someone right as they activated a star and you had no time to react? All of these things are admittedly the bane of skill-based play, but here it feels like the game is aggressively shaking the board so that no one can dominate and meaningful interactions are always happening. And, while I can acknowledge that this system is easily exploitable, I also feel like, in a social setting, no one's taking it too seriously to begin with, so the fact that playing optimally is a chore is sort of a non-issue because no one's playing that way to have fun.
i really love the items in mario kart wii. theyre unfair and theres too many of them. and i love it. its so chaotic and is probably the reason i never get mad at games since i got so used to the sheer chaos of the game
The way to win the drinking game is to chug it at the start, because you'll get so many insane comeback items like bullets and golden mushrooms that you'll be back in the running by lap 2. If you chug at the end, you're losing out on all that time.
So basically the game takes no skill but you have to drive well to not bump into walls but the race is determined by luck but you got ahead of the CPUs because you drove well. Seems logical to me
I wouldn’t really say it awards you for racing badly. For most of the race people aren’t greatly clumped up together, they’re much more spread out, so one item isn’t going to take you straight to 1st. This is also the point at which it becomes more driving skill, to be able to stay ahead of everyone else when in first. Although around the middle it is a bit of a crap fest, but the chaos of it mixes well with the overall skill, cause you do still need skill to dodge items etc.
Tbh I think one of my favorite things about this game is the amount of freedom you have in your movement and the tracks, that's why there's so many shortcuts in MKWii because there was barely any boundaries to stop you. Also, I personally enjoyed the mayhem in this game, it made my childhood fun, and I personally also love the battle courses in this game, they are MUCH better than all the other ones, including MK8DX
Items are part of the strategy. Frontrunning is often the easiest because you are far away from all the chaos but you run the risk of getting a Blue Shell. If you are in the middle places you have chances to get items that doesn't help you at all (Thundercloud, POW Block, Blooper, Blue Shell). If you are in the last places you get the best items and you can have a strategy where you start last to get a specific item to finish the races the best.
MarioKart Wii is the one I grew up with and I do know lots of it is lucked base, but you have to work with the item you get from the ?blocks. If you get a banana then hold it behind you so u don’t get thrown is a combo that leaves you in 12th. If you get a mushroom, save it for the perfect moment. Mk Wii is a game of strategy and patience, but I understand if people don’t like how punishing it is when you get hit by one item.
1 minute into the video and you’re already *slandering* grumble volcano. Hopefully the dislike section of the video isn’t as nitpicking and biased Nevermind there’s a whole nitpick speed round, that’s too many nits to pick in such a short time mr spaceman, imma have to revoke your opinion privileges for the day
i feel like the way to fix mario kart would be these things: Add the horn that repels blue shells - I just went back to playing this game and omfg the blue shell is to overpowered. Like i will be in 1st in a race and then damn blue shell and because it takes forever to get back i place like 5th. Make it that you cannot get the most overpowers items in the game right at the start - That many times someone has used lightning bolt near the start is unreal Balance out at the karts and bikes - i feel like most people now use the classic funky kong and bowser bike because it’s the most OP and it would nice to see the majority of them balanced Change the rank system - Instead of A B 1 star 2 star 3 star just remove the A & B, and if it poses the question oh then aren’t characters easier getting them make the player get 2 or 3 stars to unlock them, say if you placed 1st, 3rd, 3rd 3rd you would get 1 star if you placed 1st, 2nd, 2nd 2nd you would get 2 starts and 1st 1st 1st 1st! Sadly none of these changes could happen since it’s like 16 years old but i wish it would be like these
Mario Kart Wii is technically the Melee of the Mario Kart series. I can see why a lot of people wouldn't like it. Double Dash and Wii will always have a permanent spot in my heart but damn, I'm loving Mario Kart 8.
Very brave of you for releasing this video, I may not agree entirely but I respect a guy that can make such a video, amd have good points too. You gained a subscriber.
I think there is some fair criticism in here and I even agree with some points, but man, I haven't heard a take as shit as "MK Wii soundtrack sucks ass" in a long time. The sound mixing of the game is ass and there are some tracks that don't sound that good, but you can't tell me that Coconut Mall, Toad's Factory, Mushroom Gorge or any of the other amazing tracks from this game aren't some of the hardest bangers Nintendo has ever dropped
9:20 Still can't understand how Pow, TC, Mega and Fake boxes are stronger than Boo, Super 8 and that red thing which completely negates blues with no skill involved. Plus, you can stack items even harder to go from last to first place. Item management ? Yeah more skill.
If I had a nickel for every RUclipsr I love that made a video on Mario Kart Wii and said the graphics were bad, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
Watching this about 2 years later. Even though Mario Kart Wii is my favorite and I have a HUGE bias to it, I can't deny its flaws that you mentioned and the nitpicks. I can understand why some people do not like Mario Kart Wii. I rarely had a time where I was 'Mario Karted' on Wii so it's surprising to hear people have experiences like that.
I like the game due to how crazy it is, it’s an amazing wacky challenge to see how well you can do and in newer games it feels basic where i can just win by staying in 1st the entire race
This was kind of my first video game ever that I have played for lots of hours 🙃 and I didn't compare it to other games. So this was like one of my fav games ever.
_MarioKart Super Circuit has entered the chat_ Tbh I might have stockholm syndrome because of the long hours I put into MkDS and MkWii, so I'm kind of unphased by the nonstop chaos and find it more thrilling that way. I can't really complain about MkWii graphics when MarioKart DS is right there. I swear it looked better as a kid, but loading up the game now I can count every triangle on the screen. In terms of music, everything before Mk7 is better imo. The new tracks feel too overdosed on Jazz and lack the classic Mario vibes
I felt like I got Rickrolled when you did your native ad. Anyway, yeah, I share, basically each and every sentiment you have towards Mario Bike Wii exactly.
Wii was my first Mario kart and 8 year old me raged so hard when I'm trying to unlock bowser jr If a blue shell is coming I might as well put down the controller considering the stun and the waves of red shells incoming I liked the game but it's definitely frustrating sometimes. 8 is also chaotic sometimes, just not as bad as Wii
Your main point is factually incorrect, the game is very competitive, even if I get perfect luck against higher skill players in Online, I still lose, no amount of Bullet Bills or Chain Stars have ever saved me in online multiplayer, the only one time I got happy music in all my matches, I entered Lap 3 in 2nd. If you drive well enough, it is possible to be blue shelled and not lose 1st place. But I will admit the constant frantic items can be annoying sometimes. I understand it’s an opinion and I respect you for coming out with it, so I will acknowledge some of your points are understandable.
watching this video i realise how ass mkwii was. no wonder why i lose to a 7 year old on mkwii, go back to mk8dx and im unstoppable. shit actually takes skill in mk8
skill issue. you're probably a kid who doesnt want to take the time and effort to learn something so you just stick to the easiest option. your take on mkw not taking skill is just not true you're just to bad to have any. if you look up arcintel you can see he has 100's of videos talking about all of the advanced tech and tricks. take this from someone who has 100's of hours in both mario kart games, its not even close.
@@tVichi G. i have been playing mariokart wii since i was 3 years old it was literally the first game i ever touched and im 18 now, So i have probably have well over 500 hours on mkwii alone as it was the only game i had from like 3 to 7. so i aint that kid and it aint a skill issue lol. mkwii has skill but its overweighed by the mario party bs so even if i do all the shortcuts and take perfect turns im not gonna survive being stunlocked by 20 items am i.
@@bigman-pt9ul i also played mkw as a kid and i played it all day every day and i still play it to this day. people overexaggerate the bs in this game, sure you can get mario karted every once in awhile but it doesnt happend that often actually (if you play strategically that is.) plus the "bs" in this game is a big part why people love it, you have to think and its much different from the others in the series. mk8dx takes skill yes but nothing beats mkw with all the crazy tech and strategizing. btw i have well over 1000 hours in mkw. and i dont think an 18 year old would have that shitty grammar.
The funny thing about people coming out of the woodwork to say that mkwii is actually the best one is funny, I remember everyone dumping on it until like 2019. Most big RUclipsrs would call it the worst one, consistently. And I’m not saying I dislike it, I played Mario Kart Wii a lot when I was a kid. It was fun like Mario Kart always is.
Oh I definitely had fun with it when playing with friends 12 years ago, I just don't think it's particularly well balanced. But even playing with friends back in the day we were like, "this isn't very good, let's play Double Dash instead"
I could not disagree with this video more, yes the wii wheel is not as responsive as a controller but you can use a classic controller, GameCube controller, or Wii remote & nunchuck. Yes bikes are great in wii but at least they are still unique. MK8 removed wheelies & inside drifting which is what made it fun in the first place. Yes the game has bloom which makes it look considerably worse than DD but on dolphin you can remove it & the game looks great! Yes the battle mode is only teams which is not ideal but at least the maps were super fun. Also I play this game all the time and you ARE incentivized to play good, losing last second IS the exception NOT the rule, winning last second IS the exception NOT the rule. Yes getting star ranks in wii is challenging but that’s the point, In 8 Deluxe you can earn them without even trying. Saying this game hasn’t aged well is one thing but saying this game was always bad is another, & saying this is the worst Mario kart has to be a crime! Worse than Super Mario kart, Mario kart Super circuit??
It's more entertaining to play and watch than 7 and 8. It's the chaos that made me love the franchise so much especially mario kart Wii. The races in mario kart 7 and 8 are lifeless. Against CPUs,. you're pretty much alone after the second lap. If you want a challenge in those games you have to play online. I definitely agree with you on the graphics though and the game clearly wasn't balanced. mario kart ds had the best battle mode imo. Definitely would not call it the worst that is a stretch. There's too many additions to the experience for me to call it even the 3rd worst..
Mario kart Wii is the most skill based Mario kart. Complex movement, short cuts, ultra cuts, etc. Also astro if you get hit than just do a stand still mini turbo by holding drift and brake then you go full speed. I highly suggest watching TWD98, he plays competitively, online in current year. They even have new game modes and better mod tracks than in 2009. What I do agree with is the balance of the karts and characters being bad. It's probably why funky Kong got sent to the shadow realm after wii, he was too good. Another thing, most of the items in wii suck. Pow is countered by doing a trick, bombs are unreliable, green shells move in slow motion in this game, Mega mushroom is super rare and only really good for dodging lighting, most of the maps have tight turns meaning the gold mushroom is hardly useful. The bullet is good but it's also good in eight too and it's meant to be good in the first place. Thunder cloud(not lightning) is not fun, and red shells are busted. I do agree with your reasons for not liking the game astro. It's surprising a bad party game unless you got friends to fool around and I doubt many people besides the ones playing from the start will start grinding Mario kart Wii as an eSport in 2022.
Yeah, this guy doesn’t have a clue of what he’s talking about. It’s actually the most skill based MK game. So I don’t know where he’s coming off saying that it’s very luck based. It arguably has the best tracks in the whole series. My only real gripes with the game is with the lack of i frames after getting hit with items and the battle mode, which I think is one of the worst in the series. Other than that, I disagree with so many of this dude’s other points.
@@HugoSoup57 I actually think it's the best battle mode in the series. The most tracks, the most players, maps are huge and dynamic. Deluxe's battle mode alright too though. What other battle modes are worth playing. 64 is to small, double dash lacks maps, Ds is gimmicky with the microphone, super Mario kart is really hard to aim, vanilla 8 was jank with where you could hide/run away forever because they were race tracks. If wii has the worse battle mode then all the battle modes suck, but I haven't played 7 yet so maybe that's the best.
You see You're seeing Mario Kart WII in it's competitve side by bringing the ultra shortcuts and shortcuts while this guy plays it casually Not everyone plays Mario Kart Wii like a hardcore and some just plays for fun
@@callinater6133 (I can't believe people still comment on this thread.) The argument was that MKwii is a bad party game not that is has bad controls. I have played gx and it is not a party game but it is still a great game.
The main reason I enjoy mario kart wii is nostalgia and while I do enjoy the chaos of the game it's not something I'd like to spend hours on like 8. Mario Kart Wii was probably one of my most played adolescent games but I didn't really care or know the game was bs back then.
Hot take: Double Dash is better than Mario Kart Wii. And I'm super nostalgic for Wii! I played DD with a friend recently and I loved how the Karts handled. It's like a middle ground between the handling in 64 and Wii. Not too slippery but still has a bit of jank you have to deal with.
I like how in depth about mario kart wii after so many defending this game because how this game is fast paced compared to mk8 Also nice eurobeat background
@@CaptainAstronaut With amount of times you keep listening the same songs and with the craziest turns its automatically easy to listen eurobeat for mario kart
I love Mario Kart Wii. It's probably my most played Mario Kart as well as tied for my favourite with 8 Deluxe. That being said, I can totally understand your point of view when it comes to the game. You point out a lot of genuine flaws with the game like the wonky physics, terrible kart and character balancing and harsh unlockables (7 years have passed since I had this game and for the 5 that I played it, I still don't have Dry Bowser or Rosa). It felt like all of your points had some validity to them, and I respect your opinion. The one thing I will respectfully disagree with is the music criticism you made for not only Wii but the series as a whole before 8. You just say it "kinda sucks" but I personally found a lot of tracks great. Now I'm not defending every theme hear, there's gonna be some duds like Grumble Volcano or DK Pass but the rest is far from bad in my opinion. You got classics like Toad's Factory, Shroom Ridge, Wario Colleseum, Waluigi Pinall ect. There's a plethera of great music options to not only listen in the game but also outside of it and I feel like you kinda sold it short. This is obviously still just my opinion and I still respect yours.
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Ikr, Koopa Cape is one of the best MK tracks ever made.
It has the worst music of the entire series. Fight me.
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not gonna lie, I do miss being able to do wheelies and I specifically miss being able to do tricks on ramps like in wario's gold mine, but yeah the absolute chaos that this game brought due to its lack of balancing and just straight up luck factor was enough to make you wanna tear your hair out sometimes
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I like the chaos of items. Its hat makes mariokart mariokart. However, I think double dash did it the best. It has very frequent and chaotic items, but the hitstun is short so it makes it more intense.
9:07 this is the best section of the video easily, the improvements made in 7 and especially 8 deluxe are fantastic. I know a lot of people who complain about the distance mechanic, despite it completely fixing cluster issue that was mentioned. It forces you to play smarter with better items, so you can save them for when you really need them. The fact that powerful items can't be obtained on the first box was also one of the best changes for the series.
Yeah, the change to how item boxes work makes 8/8DX one of my favourite Mario Karts
I still hate that coin though
@@cheesyboi8599 yeah same, I actually like the idea of coins but not from item boxes. Coins should just be picked off of the ground
Imo the existence of the boo totally destroys the ability to hold items for the right time in 8. You usually just have to spam it or lose it
@notsocooldude7720 while this is true it's also probably made with smuggling in mind, it helps higher rankings get good items at the cost of that person losing their items. Its a fair trade and prevents somebody from smuggling a Blue Shell into 1st place for an easier win
I don't know man, I feel like the chaos is what used to be so charming about Mario Kart. Double Dash and Wii are the best ones to me because it's just mayhem. MK7 and 8 feel so lifeless because of how they fine tuned the item balance and controls. The polish of these games kinda sucked out the essence of what is Mario Kart to me. And besides, Wii/DD control absolutely fine if you are just a bit careful with your driving imo. And it's not just nostalgia. I played both not so long ago and they're just as fun as I remember them being.
I play other racing games for when I actually want to properly race and drive.
Double Dash Luigi Circuit is just Melee but with karts and I love it.
Also same I played both yesterday (thanks dolphin) and they're so fun.
Yes exactly! 8 is boring as shit. Mario Kart is best when it's scrappy and chaotic.
I like both I like utter chaos and I like winning because I was better than the other and not because I got lucky but it's fun to just be completely overwhelmed by bowser shells and chain chomps
Even the highest difficulty feels a bit lacking, even if MKW has its problems it’s the chaos that makes me love it so much
I love the chaos of double dash but I think Wii is a bit too frustrating
Mkwii is the Melee of mariokart. It has the highest skill ceiling and the most depth in mechanics. It is also the most competitive mariokart because of its item balance. Just like Melee it will never die and always have a dedicated community.
how dare you insult mario kart wii like that
its also the most bullshit based game and I love both of them
Yeah even the community is similar
For the better and for worse
@@galvsparks6295 Yeah for sure. Don’t you dare criticize Mushroom Peaks in front of a CTGP player lol.
...and it also suffers from having a much less refined gameplay experience outside of that niche competitive play. Its physics are broken, its balance is horrible (regarding both items and vehicles), and it has a lot of questionable design choices in general.
But god dammit that niche competitive gameplay is too fun to pass up
I liked the graphics and the “washed out” look the game had it gave it its own identity compared to the other mario wii games
The identity of looking like shit?
I can get that, but is it really an identity one wants to be proud of? Double Dash looked better and one could even argue DS did too.
@@jimbomclimbo7467 i looks relatively good
"Shit" is exaggerated
Take off the nostalgia glasses, the game is ugly
@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 the game is ugly but there are worse looking games. Besides the night courses don’t look as bad
I personally think that MKWii is much more skill based than luck based compared to MK8DX. Wii has a ton of high-skill shortcuts that have raised the skill ceiling really high. 8DX doesn’t have any high-skill shortcuts. Also I’d absolutely take the thunder cloud, pow block, and mega mushroom over the coin, boomerang and fire flower. Those items suck
Edit: After putting a significant amount of time into MK8DX and it’s online after making this initial comment, my opinion still stands. Putting aside the rough but serviceable net code that leads to a ton of “phantom” hits, MK8DX still feels much more item and luck based compared to Wii, to me at least. The overall scale of 8DX is so vastly different compared to Wii, where items like the shells and obstacles like goombas are around the same size as a medium player car. I also still think the boomerang and fire flower are way too good. Both have no telegraphing, the boomerang goes through back trails, and the fire flower can be used like a shotgun which is very effective. Also the red shell is a missile in 8DX compared to Wii, and rarely misses. Partner all of that with how grabby Lakitu is, and yeah I still think Wii is much more skill-based than luck based.
"MKWii is much more skill based than MK8DX."
@@PetikG because it is
Well, see, you say this, but you also just finished an 11 minute video on why your wrong
Those two shortcuts on ice ice outpost and big blue are pretty difficult tbh
@@fortunemuderhwa9318 oh boy 2 shortcuts!!!
I sometimes forget not everyone has the same compulsion to go deep into the mechanics of every game they play "mario kart wii is the one your driving skills matter the least" makes a lot more sense to me if your only comparing playing it casually a few years back to playing 8D casually now.
Astronaut continues to have the best take on everything except mario kart gameplay. Sure Mario Kart Wii's itemplay is brutal, but to call it the most luck based, even going as far to compare it to Baby Park couldn't be further from the truth. I'd go as far as to say it is the Mario Kart game with the highest mechanical depth in the series and that getting proficient is both extremely challenging, and incredibly satisfying.
But that said, to experience this side of the game, you likely have to go out of your way to pick one of the few "meta-defining" vehicles in the game and learn some of the game's more complex shortcuts/techniques. What astounds me though is that Astronaut went as far as to describe the modding scene and custom tracks, but has a complete disconnect about this game's skill ceiling in spite of this normally less common knowledge
As far as I know Wii is considered to be the most skilled by the Mario Kart Community. When he brought up 8 having a better item system I was baffled as if you played 8 Deluxe, you’d realize how stupidly common are reds and how some tracks determine the races after the first lap such as Mute City and Ice Ice Outpost.
Aren't all Mario kart games luck based? I don't get how that's a issue exclusive to Wii, I think 8 DX is way worse when it comes to luck and items.
yeah this kinda baffled me, mario kart 8's item balancing is by far some of the absolute worst in the series. people like to dump on wii but 8 really doesnt get enough criticism
@@jos4669 Another problem that 8 and 8 Deluxe has exclusively are backward throw items. In the other Mario Kart games, throwing shells back travels slower then throwing them at the front, which allows your opponents to react, however in 8 and 8 Deluxe, backward thrown shells travel the same speed as throwing them in the front which gives players no time to react.
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“The music in every Mario Kart before 8 is kinda ass” wait while I pull up a long ass list of bangers from pre 8 Mario Kart games.
Coconut mall, maple treeway, Luigi/Mario circuit, Warios gold mine, N64 bowsers castle, rainbow road, DS peach gardens, SNES Mario circuit 3, grumble volcano, moo moo meadows, DK summit, toads factory, Koopa cape, Daisy circuit, moonview highway, dry dry ruins and bowsers castle.
Need I say more?
@@toxicjoshua7934 wuhu island/mountain loop?
i appreciate the confidence and bravery to be objectively wrong in public like this
Can you objectively defend why is he wrong?
@@AngryMiddleAgedMan Super Mario Kart is actual nothingness - as is Mario Kart: Super Circuit. Wii may not have Double Dash's chaos, but unlike 8 and 7, it isn't fucking boring.
@@Deeeeeeeee1 according to who? You?
@@Deeeeeeeee1 srry, i was looking for an objective answer. Your opinion means nothing to me
@@AngryMiddleAgedMan That is an objective answer, numpty. Those two games are worse than Mario Kart Wii in every possible way.
Besides, this entire video is just the man's personal opinion, anyway.
Absolutely agree with you when it comes down to the items. You could do absolutely perfectly in a race, and still get a relatively low place, (or somehow get 1st and only get 2 stars), but I still personally love the physics in the game. It feels more wild and like the speed is actually there. Compared to 7/8, which I believe feels more railroaded and less chaotic, Wii feels faster and much more fun to me personally. Otherwise cap, you're pretty much totally right, totally agree
In mk 8 it’s 10 times worse you get no protection in first and multiple shocks are happening at once
@@XyLo2517in 8 sure. In 8 deluxe if that’s the case you’re just bad. If you’re good at getting double item boxes and using your coins (holding a coin guarantees you’ll get a defensive item next) you shouldn’t be left defenseless.
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi ok that’s simply not true… I AM actually talking about 8 deluxe because ONLY in that game can multiple shocks be out at once… in mk wii another shock CANNOT happen within a certain amount of time (26/32 seconds iirc) within another shock happening making shock dodges and comebacks actually skillful and calculated… also in deluxe second place can just get double red shells a majority of time time and first is almost guaranteed a coin in one of their slots so if you do the math thats 1 item for protection every item box row for every two red shells 2nd place gets and you can clearly see holding a lead becomes near impossible at that point… and for whatever reason 2nd place has a possibility of getting TRIPLE reds which is over the top ridiculous… there’s a video I can link you too that explains things way more in depth if you’re interested in learning more as I have endless hours on both mk wii AND both 8 and deluxe and I can say without a doubt wii is better…
@@XyLo2517 The shock timer is in 8 deluxe as well, it prevents shocks being pulled for 30 seconds after the first is pulled. Double shocks can only happen if the first person waits a long time, and then the second person dodges, which is very unlikely. Though it can still happen. There is absolutely skill and calculation in 8dx shock dodging, the existence of double shocks in no way disproves that. If you don’t think so you haven’t seen enough high level 8dx, particularly on bagging tracks where shock dodging is at its most relevant.
Also you’re just definitively wrong saying second place commonly gets double red shells. Unless first has a large breakaway second has a 36.9% of pulling a red shell, so the chances of a double red is 13.6%. Not impossible, but it is very far from constant or even likely. Also keep in mind second won’t always want to use both their red shells because doing so leaves them defenseless, and it’s also possible for first to pull double defense (9.18% if I calculated correctly which is just below the chance for second to pull double reds.) And yes those unfair moments DO still happen, I’m not denying that, sometimes second gets triple reds (though that’s only if first is super far ahead) or double reds. But those unfair moments happen in MKWii too. In particular blue shells are generally much more common. It’s a maximum 30% chance every item set that somebody pulls a blue shell, and while rates won’t actually be that high assuming not everybody chains their items it’s still leagues higher than anything you’ll see in a real game of 8dx. Not to mention dodging a blue is even less reliable than in 8dx, given horns don’t exist and holding a mushroom leaves you defenseless from reds, unlike dx’s double items which let you carry both mushrooms and defense. Realistically both games can (and often do) unfairly rob first of wins, it just happens more often because of reds in 8dx and blues in Wii.
@@JacobPDeIiNoNi the fact double shocks are even possible in the first place is a red flag. Not to mention you don’t get shocked if you’re behind the shock used which means you can just have them shock and the person behind them use shock… also the red shells in 8 are just painfully too common.. they’re much more balanced in wii. And there’s a slew of items in 8 that don’t even do anything (excluding the coin) case in point the pirahna plant and fire flower. Wii did have the TC but it was thrown in to intentionally be detrimental to the user. Meanwhile the plant and fire flower take up an entire slot for an extended period time which is a slot you can’t use for another item. Triple bananas are also a sham since you can’t even tailgate all 3 of them. Not even the shells act as a consistent barrier since the gap is big enough for a red shell to hit you. Protection in this game is just downright awful and before you say wii had no way to hit first with the red shell, the fake item box was the equalizer which didn’t protect you from reds but you didn’t get it every time
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I can certianly understand all the points brought up. For me, what makes 7 and 8 so boring compared to wii (and even DS) is the lack of interesting item play. In deluxe specifically, every race devolves into everybody getting nothing but mushrooms and stars for 99% of the race, while someone in first is just coasting along with no threats at all. Whilst the rest of the pack are hitting each other with endless stars and the few normal items getting thrown around, which just means it is extremely difficult to break out ahead of the pack. With wii, i feel like there are more "unblockables" in the form of lightning, thunder clouds, mega mushrooms, pow blocks, blue shells getting thrown around that makes every game more interesting overall. You never know whats going to happen and it is always possible to break out of the main pack and into the top placings, without having the issue deluxe has of nothing but boost items. It can certainly be tuned to be a bit fairer for sure in wii, but the absolute chaos leads to more fun ultimately. You can have someone running an optimal build and they still lose cus of the fun item play, whereas in deluxe everyone uses waluigi/wiggler car/tiny wheels and those who do almost always take up the top couple of spots, and as such never get hit by anything like i mentioned before. Not to mention that the red shells can "cheat" somewhat in wii, meaning that you have to angle your car right to block them instead of just "hold a banana behind you for instant block". Theres just no skill to the item play or base driving mechanics in deluxe, whereas its the complete opposite for wii. Theres more bullshit, but also more ways to deal with said bullshit in interesting ways.
If you played online in 8 Deluxe, players in the front have to deal with countless reds thrown from players in the middle. Assuming that the players in the front have the same skill level, the race just devolves into how many reds can I pull to overtake the person in front of me.
@@burnypython8230 I've unfortunately played tons of 8 deluxe online, and from my experience you get:
1st place tearing away in a waluigi/wiggler/roller wheels combo with bananas/green shells to easily defend from 2nd
2nd place a bit behind (usually with a very similar kart combo) and never catching up cus 1st gets defensive items that take no skill to use, just drag behind to easily block anytthing. so 2nd usually also assumes defense and essentially plays the same as 1st
3rd - 5th getting red shells, other interesting items for a variety of uses. rarely allows them to break into the top 2 and they just sorta jostle amongst themselves and occassionally swap places with some lower placed players
6th -12th getting nothing but mushrooms/stars/bullet bills, which ultimately do not help them to break out of the lower half because they just end up hitting each other and not actually catching up to the top of the pack much. maybe break into the 3rd to 5th group at best
Theres just very little way for people to swap positions very much at all, the item play does not really allow for comeback plays at all. blue shells are rare, and if they do hit the worst that happens usually is 1st goes down to 4th. but mostly they either keep their place or swap with 2nd cus they are THAT far ahead with no threats, not to mention the horn just invalidates the blue so 1st has even less to potentially worry about. lightning affects everyone, and can bring the overall pack together a bit, but not by a whole lot. its mostly just 4th and below hitting each other and not getting much of an advantage of the rest, with the top few placings being a lock from the start of a race.
you can be playing your ass off and theres just no advanced mechanics to take advantage on to get the edge; drifting is easy and uninteresting, items do barely anything a lot of the time as mentioned, the best you get is item smuggling but again, how do you break out of a clustered pack carrying powerful items if you can rarely even get out of said pack even using items to do so?
then with wii, there is always the chance to make a break because it has wilder items that can be pulled at a multitude of places; there was never cases of "okay i got X item and nothing but and i cannot escape the pack" in wii. and wii has actually interesting and rewarding driving mechanics to begin with, so you can rely on those to help you get up in the race if you are good enough, and item smuggling is easier because of it, which allows you to make some incredible comebacks.
@@matlotl About item comebacks it depends on what track you are playing on. If you are playing on a smuggling track like Dry Dry Desert or Yoshi Circuit, the race is free for players in the back as you get so much value from speed items, plus there is a bullet extension spot on the waterfall in Yoshi Circuit. However the unfortunate part is that most of the tracks are pure frontrunning where if you get screwed over in the beginning, there is no way you can make a comeback.
One more problem I forgot to mention in 8 and 8 Deluxe are back thrown items. In other Mario Kart games, back thrown shells travel slower than shells thrown frontwards so players can react. However, in 8 and 8 Deluxe, back thrown shells travel the same speed, which gives players no time to react.
Honestly I agree. I feel like it's way too easy for some people to get so far in first place that it becomes literally impossible for them to lose.
@@burnypython8230 my man, red shells go for the player in front. The player in first place has to deal red shells from the second and maybe third in some cases, and those two need to worry about that plus all the bullshit in the pack
I don't have any nostalgia for this game (I grew up with MKDS, not Wii), but how could it be the worst MK when Super Mario Kart and Mario Kart Tour exist?
Super Mario Kart is really not a bad game as long as you know how to play it. It's simple and fun, and certainly the most unique game in the series.
I don't think Tour should be counted. Nobody counts Arcade GP 1 or 2, so nobody should count Tour either.
Super mario kart is the start. You objectively cannot call it the worst
@@alfiehicks1 whether you like it or not those games are in the "mario kart series". Tour is even having some of it's courses brought over to 8 deluxe! If he wanted to be specific, he should of said "console mario kart games" but he didn't and I still wouldn't consider it the worst as a lot of the later games use or made slight changes to mario kart Wii's features.
@@thepikachugamer Just because it's the first one doesn't mean it's free to be called the worst. In fact it's better that way because it means the developper knows what to do and what not to do for better sequels
It’s still one of the weaker Mario Kart games, still nowhere near as bad as SMK and Tour, I genuinely don’t understand how those two games even have fans
Almost all of the main complaints aren’t even true or can be mediated.
1. 3/4 controller options don’t use motion steering.
2. Lack of vehicle balance doesn’t exactly define gameplay. You can still play the entire game and do everything with a few of the best vehicles, which is what most people do.
3. Online service still exists through wiimmfi servers in which hackers are banned.
4. The modern ctgp time trial leaderboards are secure and don’t have hacked times either. Even before 2014, community leaderboards would offer correct rankings because nobody considered nintendo’s to be accurate.
5. Complaining about luck in a mario kart game lol. Many people would even say mkw is less luck based than mk8 considering how high the skill cap in mkw can be. And even if item luck isn’t your thing, that’s what time trials or online tt is for. Success is determined solely by driving in those modes.
6. There are not any unlockables that need above 1 star rank which is essentially guaranteed if you get 60 points. 3 star rank is just for extra clout.
7. The addition of coins arguably makes getting hit worse than in mkw because you lose even more speed over time from the lost coins.
8. If you bring up frantic items mode in mk8, then you have to acknowledge the strategic items mode in mkw that removes all power items that were complained about earlier.
Absolute beautiful ad transition there mate, didn’t even notice it
I'm all about the smooth as butter ad transitions 🧈
The general consensus is that MKWii is the best game, but that’s really only because of nostalgia and the continually active and large community. I personally love MKWii but it’s definitely over glorified by too many people. I think one point that Is bring up in response to your points is that many people like the chaos that’s seen in MKWii and combining that with all of the good things you said at the beginning of the video, it makes for a spectacular game. Personally my favorite is MK7, but that’s not a very popular pick at all, so I can see why MKWii and MK8 are the two most popular.
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It's loved for the same reasons people love melee.
It's skill based. Especially it's hard to keep a first place unlike mk8 where you just kinda stays first
When you said MKwii I assumed you meant Mortal Kombat for some reason
with all due respect, what’s better about 7 to 8?
@@sbubbt2318 The map selection is way better than 8 imo. Also the controls are more fun to play imo, gliding was executed better in that game.
mkwii has terrible balance and chaotic racing if you don't know what you're doing. but everyone forgets about the terrible balance because everyone uses funky flam or daisy mach and everyone who plays it a lot knows about all the theory of when to be in what place to most likely get this item. time trial wise, mkwii is most involved, having more engaging mechanics like wheelies and tricks. so if you play casually, it might suck. once you know the game its not terrible
well said
Pretty much this. You can tell how little someone knows about the game based on how they criticize it. And that's assuming the gameplay shown throughout this video wasn't evidence enough that he doesn't know what he's doing in this game.
Mario kart Wii is more competitive and take skill as each character and vehicle actually affects the gameplay.Mario kart wii has a committed community and speed running community.Although later versions of Mario kart have more diversity,maps etc later versions lack competition and ways to learn the game.with Mario kart wii the game forces you to learn how to play each character and vehicle.Personally I respect Mario kart wii and other Mario kart games but I would have to stick with Mario kart wii as it has a more committed community than Mario kart 8
Mario Kart Wii is by far the least accessible for the common people. Remember, us in the MKW community basically don’t matter at all
@@apothecurio please elaborate
Mario kart wii is the worst Mario kart?!
Yes
@@carota_splatoon no
@@carota_splatoon No, Mario Kart Wii is one of the best MK games. The worst one is probably Super Circuit.
It’s almost like people has opinions 😮
@@Ivaansayh1 Not on my watch.
"You don't need to drive good to win in mario kart wii"
"in Mario Kart 8, you don't lose your items when falling off"
So in mario kart 8, the game that doesn't punish you for bad driving, the game tells you to drive good?
I mean, there's a difference between
not being punished too harshly if you mess a shortcut jump
And
You got a Bullet Bill at the end of lap 3 so you jumped from 12th to 1st and won
@@CaptainAstronaut I feel like I have to point out that bullet bill in mariokart wii will only get you 5 positions ahead. It has both a time limit and position limit, so if you use it at 12th place itll drop you 7th or 8th, sure the wind down time happens after you pass the fifth driver so you might be able to pass more racers, but since you can time the use yourself that makes it a skill based effect, you should try to save it till you are 6th or 5th to get the best outcome. I feel like shortcuts are meant to be punishing if you fail them, that makes the game more skill based. You get rewarded for being good at the game if you manage to use the shortcut, and get punished for not being good enough.
Also I think your point about mkwii being more luck based, is simply not true. Everything that would make the game luck based, you can affect with a good strategy. Notice theres a big clump of racers? Nice this is good time to drop a few places to get stronger item. Notice a red shell coming for your ass? Time to change your driving line so that the redshell hits the wall before you.
Blueshells keep f'ing up your races? Just use a well timed mushroom or boost pad to dodge it. Or simply wait around 2nd place with a power item to dodge the eventual blueshell and win the race before the next one comes? Oh the lightning took away your items? Well luckily theres a delay in when people can get the lightning so you can save a strong item for that time and because people often spam it you can time you star/mega mush/bullet to get a shock dodge and way ahead.
Bro wrote an entire essay just to defend the worst part of this mid game 💀💀💀
@@mimikyutubesaltaccount4875 maybe consider that you dont know what you're on about.
a lot of people that like this game are mega obsessed. i bet they get super excited when a new wii course is added to the booster course pack because they can tear it to shreds and say it “isnt as good as the original” to make the excuse that mkwii is better.
My thoughts exactly
Wii fans are always complaining
I've seen people like that but its not most people.
I played the game online back then, & I can testify that hackers were everywhere.
Wii was like the best one! I would spend hours playing online.
There was one time it was just me one other person in a lobby and, without voice chat, we went back and forth picking maps and teaching eachother shortcuts.
i also made a mario kart buddy
Yeah. The online for mkwii is just sweet even today on wiimmfi.
@@Tadzy My point was there was something lost when 8 only let you pick from a handful of tracks rather than the entire library. That, and Wii had a wider and more interesting selection of battle stages, too. Funky Stadium was a perfect battle map, I have no idea why it hasn't returned.
I think mario kart wii is the most overrated one and is luck based, mario kart 8 really makes mario kart wii look bad
Time to defend my favorite Mario Kart of all time:
1. The physics may not be as good as MK8 nowadays, but that’s the same deal with older mario kart games in general. You just have to get used to it more.
2. There are some extremely good picks for tracks in this game such as coconut mall, DK Summit, N64 DK’s Jungle Parkway, Moonview Highway, Moo Moo Meadows, Wii Rainbow Road, and the list goes on and on
3. A lot of the music in this game is super catchy
4. The Mega Mushroom is really fun and satisfying to crush other racers
5. The graphics may not look the best, but it is the Wii after all, which was really underpowered for its time
6. The game can be very enjoyable when putting a good amount of time into it.
7. Yes the game may be more brutal, but that’s what makes mario kart shine as a whole. The chaotic and mayhem factors that MKWii and the older games have is what makes them super enjoyable.
I’m not saying it’s the best one, but it definitely beats most Mario Kart games out there, as one of the few older mario karts to age pretty well if you put in some time to the game nowadays.
Edit: Yes, there were 2 items (Storm cloud and POW block) that were not so great, but that aside, it is still a really fun game
Everything you just said is factually correct
Mario Kart DS came out four years earlier and the handling in that game is absolutely rock solid, arguably better than MK8. They consciously decided to make MKWii a pile of slippery garbage for literally no reason.
Likewise, the graphics just look ugly. They looked ugly at the time, and they still look ugly now. Awful, shiny, plastic character models, bloom up the ass and bizarrely 'washy' textures make for a game that is visually repulsive, and a considerable step down from Double Dash, which was on weaker hardware. I'd even say that DS has a better overall aesthetic.
You can't really brush off fundamental issues by saying 'its an old game' when none of the previous (older) games suffer from those issues.
@@alfiehicks1 if we're going by what you said, then Mario Kart 64 should be the worst...
I'm surprised you did not mention the blooper in the not so great items
@@thepikachugamer But it’s not exclusive to MKWii like the POW block and storm cloud
Refreshing to see a standout opinion on this game for once, and I can't say I disagree with your points. I remember renting this back in 2008 and found it very frustrating to play then, even with my buddy over! We were excited to try this out, but ended up going back to playing Brawl after getting "Mario Karted" (the guys on GameFAQs had another word for it, but can't say it here) out of wins constantly on our quest to get 3-star rankings.
Picked it up half a decade later to give it another shot and unleash my inner tryhard. Turns out, karts and Birdo are irrelevant, wheelie chaining and ultra cuts aren't nearly as fun as spamming miniturbos offroad or longboosting off of jumpads and demolishing entire tracks, and half the courses make Vanilla Lake 2 look like a joyful experience by comparison!
Those are just a few of my gripes, but I would honestly rather play any other Mario Kart over Wii. Yes, even 8 Deluxe and Super Circuit. It's a fine game on its own, but titles like Double Dash, DS, and even SMK are WAY more fun and skill-instensive than the internet would have you believe.
Thanks for uploading!
Finally, someone with a good take on this game
I can't help but be a little...disapointed with this video. Wii is my favorite, so I was interested in seeing a different perspective from mine, but the critiques here are lacking compared to your usual output. The gameplay section only went into item balance and physics. No talk of the mechanics, the course design, or even anything outside of grand prix. I'm not saying these would save the game for you, but they should be mentioned because they address some of your complaints. Wii has a lot of tricks that are hard to learn and help with shortcuts, wouldn't that make it closer to a skill-based game? You mentioned Wii had bad course design in another video. That one said a bit about Coconut Mall, but what about the other Nitro tracks, how are they poorly designed? Wii also has an option to lower the frequency of powerful items, does that change enough? If not, why? This is probably why the video is such a letdown for me, it doesn't feel like a proper critique.
theres not enough appreciation for the bit of building up a vpn ad read and jumping to raid shadow legends instead that was genuinely funny
Many hot but valid takes, but I think the unlock system in wii is very fulfilling. It's annoying that stars earned in higher cc grand prix don't trickle down to the slower ones, something they would do in 8, but the specific goals for specific karts and characters gives you a challenge that just collecting coins in MK8 doesn't. I've played a lot of Mario Kart Wii and because of the way the unlock system is structured I make it a goal to try to unlock stuff every time I play it on a random wii
Thank god I’m not the only one who felt this way and made a video on it
If you don’t say anything, nothing will ever change
All the points you made is literally what makes the game 10x better than the rest of the series 😮😅
Lmao you really brought me back with the “hitting the wall” replays for time trials. I always thought there was a glitch when I was little.
Interestingly, I agree with many of the points, and those are the reasons why I think Mario Kart Wii is the best Mario Kart game. One point, the main problem you had with the game, the increased dependency on luck, was a huge reason I loved it, because it meant it was always fun with friends. Playing some of the other games with friends of varying skill levels always feels kind of dull because there's such a gap that item interactions ended up being kinda rare. Mario Kart Wii aggressively levels the playing field, making interesting events constant. Oh, the worst player among us is suddenly first now right before the end of the race because of a bullet bill? Oh, the blue shell knocked you out right before the ending, causing you to lose? Oh, you were in the way of someone right as they activated a star and you had no time to react? All of these things are admittedly the bane of skill-based play, but here it feels like the game is aggressively shaking the board so that no one can dominate and meaningful interactions are always happening.
And, while I can acknowledge that this system is easily exploitable, I also feel like, in a social setting, no one's taking it too seriously to begin with, so the fact that playing optimally is a chore is sort of a non-issue because no one's playing that way to have fun.
i really love the items in mario kart wii. theyre unfair and theres too many of them. and i love it. its so chaotic and is probably the reason i never get mad at games since i got so used to the sheer chaos of the game
Bold to say this regarding Wii has the most devoted fan base. I wish you luck that they don’t feed on your skin
The way to win the drinking game is to chug it at the start, because you'll get so many insane comeback items like bullets and golden mushrooms that you'll be back in the running by lap 2. If you chug at the end, you're losing out on all that time.
So basically the game takes no skill but you have to drive well to not bump into walls but the race is determined by luck but you got ahead of the CPUs because you drove well. Seems logical to me
And he didn’t even mention ultra shortcuts shock timing shock dodging or blue shell dodge
I wouldn’t really say it awards you for racing badly. For most of the race people aren’t greatly clumped up together, they’re much more spread out, so one item isn’t going to take you straight to 1st. This is also the point at which it becomes more driving skill, to be able to stay ahead of everyone else when in first. Although around the middle it is a bit of a crap fest, but the chaos of it mixes well with the overall skill, cause you do still need skill to dodge items etc.
i played on the fan made servers and every one was like 1 second away from geting last
Tbh I think one of my favorite things about this game is the amount of freedom you have in your movement and the tracks, that's why there's so many shortcuts in MKWii because there was barely any boundaries to stop you. Also, I personally enjoyed the mayhem in this game, it made my childhood fun, and I personally also love the battle courses in this game, they are MUCH better than all the other ones, including MK8DX
Battle tracks in 64 and DD were better
@@mario-k. everyone has different opinions
Items are part of the strategy. Frontrunning is often the easiest because you are far away from all the chaos but you run the risk of getting a Blue Shell. If you are in the middle places you have chances to get items that doesn't help you at all (Thundercloud, POW Block, Blooper, Blue Shell). If you are in the last places you get the best items and you can have a strategy where you start last to get a specific item to finish the races the best.
The only way mario kart Wii is your favorite is if you played it as a kid. It’s mid
That just rhymed and I agree lmao
Its mid but in a fun and chaotic way. People love the issues of the game because they lend to memorable wacky moments.
MarioKart Wii is the one I grew up with and I do know lots of it is lucked base, but you have to work with the item you get from the ?blocks. If you get a banana then hold it behind you so u don’t get thrown is a combo that leaves you in 12th. If you get a mushroom, save it for the perfect moment. Mk Wii is a game of strategy and patience, but I understand if people don’t like how punishing it is when you get hit by one item.
7:08 lol that Dunkey impression
1 minute into the video and you’re already *slandering* grumble volcano. Hopefully the dislike section of the video isn’t as nitpicking and biased
Nevermind there’s a whole nitpick speed round, that’s too many nits to pick in such a short time mr spaceman, imma have to revoke your opinion privileges for the day
I win, bye bye
9:30
GASP that's me! Mom I'm famous!
i feel like the way to fix mario kart would be these things:
Add the horn that repels blue shells - I just went back to playing this game and omfg the blue shell is to overpowered. Like i will be in 1st in a race and then damn blue shell and because it takes forever to get back i place like 5th.
Make it that you cannot get the most overpowers items in the game right at the start - That many times someone has used lightning bolt near the start is unreal
Balance out at the karts and bikes - i feel like most people now use the classic funky kong and bowser bike because it’s the most OP and it would nice to see the majority of them balanced
Change the rank system - Instead of A B 1 star 2 star 3 star just remove the A & B, and if it poses the question oh then aren’t characters easier getting them make the player get 2 or 3 stars to unlock them, say if you placed 1st, 3rd, 3rd 3rd you would get 1 star if you placed 1st, 2nd, 2nd 2nd you would get 2 starts and 1st 1st 1st 1st!
Sadly none of these changes could happen since it’s like 16 years old but i wish it would be like these
(sounds of angry nostalgic zoomers approaching)
It’s too late
They’re already here
Hide the kids
Sees title, clicks video: Okay, you're objectively wrong but I'm willing to listen to the reasoning.
"Objectively Wrong but makes some good points" is basically my entire brand at this point haha
@@CaptainAstronaut and I respect you for it
Only thing holding up this game is Funky Kong and his strangely hypnotic victory pose
ight, that sponsor switcharoo made me laugh out load ngl
Mario Kart Wii is technically the Melee of the Mario Kart series. I can see why a lot of people wouldn't like it.
Double Dash and Wii will always have a permanent spot in my heart but damn, I'm loving Mario Kart 8.
"The Melee of Mario Kart" has always been the analogy I rocked with as well. Terribly balanced wonky mess that maintains a dedicated fanbase
Very brave of you for releasing this video, I may not agree entirely but I respect a guy that can make such a video, amd have good points too. You gained a subscriber.
I think there is some fair criticism in here and I even agree with some points, but man, I haven't heard a take as shit as "MK Wii soundtrack sucks ass" in a long time. The sound mixing of the game is ass and there are some tracks that don't sound that good, but you can't tell me that Coconut Mall, Toad's Factory, Mushroom Gorge or any of the other amazing tracks from this game aren't some of the hardest bangers Nintendo has ever dropped
Tracks are good but some of the hardest bangers Nintendo’s ever produced ? Hum no
@@galvsparks6295 fair enough
I respectfully disagree with basically everything you said about the gameplay
I completely agree. Getting hit by 10 items always felt like bullshit
transition into the ad was GENIUS 😂
also, yes, the online was very full of hackers
9:20 Still can't understand how Pow, TC, Mega and Fake boxes are stronger than Boo, Super 8 and that red thing which completely negates blues with no skill involved.
Plus, you can stack items even harder to go from last to first place. Item management ? Yeah more skill.
The fact that the ad joke actually got me is amazing.
If I had a nickel for every RUclipsr I love that made a video on Mario Kart Wii and said the graphics were bad, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
Bruh that’s a phineas and ferb reference
@@theshawshankinception1220 and a Scott the woz reference
@@brycecartwright2403 ahh. Ok that may be lol, but I’m pretty sure Phineas and Ferb was first lol.
@@theshawshankinception1220 I mean it is both lol
Watching this about 2 years later. Even though Mario Kart Wii is my favorite and I have a HUGE bias to it, I can't deny its flaws that you mentioned and the nitpicks. I can understand why some people do not like Mario Kart Wii. I rarely had a time where I was 'Mario Karted' on Wii so it's surprising to hear people have experiences like that.
Wii definitely needed to be touched up on a a lot of areas, however I found the chaotic energy to be a lot more fun than the new entries
Finally someone doesn’t make me feel like I’m crazy for disliking MK Wii
You're still crazy
You can dislike it but calling it bad is just wrong
Yo I agree. I think mkwii is ass
@@flow185 I agree with this. MK Wii is still a good game, it’s just my least favorite
@@Kobaaming090 L
That video title is playing with fire lol.
I like the game due to how crazy it is, it’s an amazing wacky challenge to see how well you can do and in newer games it feels basic where i can just win by staying in 1st the entire race
"Visually the game looks kinda ugly" It's a Wii game, what do you expect? Raytracing? RTX on? 2008 graphics?
The Problem is that even Gamecube games looked better then this or MP8. Legit
Or maybe learn to get good, use the Mach Bike or Flame Runner, chain wheelies, and after every time yet get hit, hold A and B to get the boost
And here we see a MKWii fan in the wild, in all of its 400-pound glory
MK8 Deluxe is objectively the best one both content and balance wise. MKWii is not bad but crazy overrated
I tested the rubber banding on every course and i can confirm it is about a avarge difference of 5 seconds (per race)
This was kind of my first video game ever that I have played for lots of hours 🙃 and I didn't compare it to other games. So this was like one of my fav games ever.
_MarioKart Super Circuit has entered the chat_
Tbh I might have stockholm syndrome because of the long hours I put into MkDS and MkWii, so I'm kind of unphased by the nonstop chaos and find it more thrilling that way.
I can't really complain about MkWii graphics when MarioKart DS is right there. I swear it looked better as a kid, but loading up the game now I can count every triangle on the screen.
In terms of music, everything before Mk7 is better imo. The new tracks feel too overdosed on Jazz and lack the classic Mario vibes
At least Super Circuit looks beautiful
Captain Astronaut: *dislikes a game many people love” The gaming community: *gasps*
They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth
You see Coconut Mall you see Wii Rainbow Road but you pick driving on 4 flat circles for 5 laps (unless it’s a troll)
CTR is the king of all kart racers in my opinion. Even the original on PS1.
CTR is Goated 🐐
I felt like I got Rickrolled when you did your native ad.
Anyway, yeah, I share, basically each and every sentiment you have towards Mario Bike Wii exactly.
Captain good content like always.
Not today
Bro showed star ranking as a negative and then showed characters that only require you to get 1 star
Wii was my first Mario kart and 8 year old me raged so hard when I'm trying to unlock bowser jr
If a blue shell is coming I might as well put down the controller considering the stun and the waves of red shells incoming
I liked the game but it's definitely frustrating sometimes. 8 is also chaotic sometimes, just not as bad as Wii
Your main point is factually incorrect, the game is very competitive, even if I get perfect luck against higher skill players in Online, I still lose, no amount of Bullet Bills or Chain Stars have ever saved me in online multiplayer, the only one time I got happy music in all my matches, I entered Lap 3 in 2nd. If you drive well enough, it is possible to be blue shelled and not lose 1st place. But I will admit the constant frantic items can be annoying sometimes. I understand it’s an opinion and I respect you for coming out with it, so I will acknowledge some of your points are understandable.
watching this video i realise how ass mkwii was. no wonder why i lose to a 7 year old on mkwii, go back to mk8dx and im unstoppable. shit actually takes skill in mk8
skill issue. you're probably a kid who doesnt want to take the time and effort to learn something so you just stick to the easiest option. your take on mkw not taking skill is just not true you're just to bad to have any. if you look up arcintel you can see he has 100's of videos talking about all of the advanced tech and tricks. take this from someone who has 100's of hours in both mario kart games, its not even close.
@@tVichi G. i have been playing mariokart wii since i was 3 years old it was literally the first game i ever touched and im 18 now, So i have probably have well over 500 hours on mkwii alone as it was the only game i had from like 3 to 7. so i aint that kid and it aint a skill issue lol. mkwii has skill but its overweighed by the mario party bs so even if i do all the shortcuts and take perfect turns im not gonna survive being stunlocked by 20 items am i.
@@bigman-pt9ul i also played mkw as a kid and i played it all day every day and i still play it to this day. people overexaggerate the bs in this game, sure you can get mario karted every once in awhile but it doesnt happend that often actually (if you play strategically that is.) plus the "bs" in this game is a big part why people love it, you have to think and its much different from the others in the series. mk8dx takes skill yes but nothing beats mkw with all the crazy tech and strategizing. btw i have well over 1000 hours in mkw. and i dont think an 18 year old would have that shitty grammar.
@tVichi ur grammar ain't that great either lol go bother someone else you pest
@@bigman-pt9ul what a comeback, just ignore all the points I made except for the last one.
If you can't handle the chaos, you shouldn't be playing mariokart
CHAOS
The funny thing about people coming out of the woodwork to say that mkwii is actually the best one is funny, I remember everyone dumping on it until like 2019. Most big RUclipsrs would call it the worst one, consistently. And I’m not saying I dislike it, I played Mario Kart Wii a lot when I was a kid. It was fun like Mario Kart always is.
Oh I definitely had fun with it when playing with friends 12 years ago, I just don't think it's particularly well balanced.
But even playing with friends back in the day we were like, "this isn't very good, let's play Double Dash instead"
I could not disagree with this video more, yes the wii wheel is not as responsive as a controller but you can use a classic controller, GameCube controller, or Wii remote & nunchuck. Yes bikes are great in wii but at least they are still unique. MK8 removed wheelies & inside drifting which is what made it fun in the first place. Yes the game has bloom which makes it look considerably worse than DD but on dolphin you can remove it & the game looks great! Yes the battle mode is only teams which is not ideal but at least the maps were super fun. Also I play this game all the time and you ARE incentivized to play good, losing last second IS the exception NOT the rule, winning last second IS the exception NOT the rule. Yes getting star ranks in wii is challenging but that’s the point, In 8 Deluxe you can earn them without even trying. Saying this game hasn’t aged well is one thing but saying this game was always bad is another, & saying this is the worst Mario kart has to be a crime! Worse than Super Mario kart, Mario kart Super circuit??
It's more entertaining to play and watch than 7 and 8. It's the chaos that made me love the franchise so much especially mario kart Wii. The races in mario kart 7 and 8 are lifeless. Against CPUs,. you're pretty much alone after the second lap. If you want a challenge in those games you have to play online. I definitely agree with you on the graphics though and the game clearly wasn't balanced. mario kart ds had the best battle mode imo. Definitely would not call it the worst that is a stretch. There's too many additions to the experience for me to call it even the 3rd worst..
The only thing I hate about wii is the bikes because I’m too dumb to understand the inside and outside drifters
I hate 8 because Nintendo made two games out of it and it’s sorta boring it’s mostly the newer tracks arnt as fun to me
Mario kart Wii is the most skill based Mario kart. Complex movement, short cuts, ultra cuts, etc. Also astro if you get hit than just do a stand still mini turbo by holding drift and brake then you go full speed. I highly suggest watching TWD98, he plays competitively, online in current year. They even have new game modes and better mod tracks than in 2009. What I do agree with is the balance of the karts and characters being bad. It's probably why funky Kong got sent to the shadow realm after wii, he was too good. Another thing, most of the items in wii suck. Pow is countered by doing a trick, bombs are unreliable, green shells move in slow motion in this game, Mega mushroom is super rare and only really good for dodging lighting, most of the maps have tight turns meaning the gold mushroom is hardly useful. The bullet is good but it's also good in eight too and it's meant to be good in the first place. Thunder cloud(not lightning) is not fun, and red shells are busted. I do agree with your reasons for not liking the game astro. It's surprising a bad party game unless you got friends to fool around and I doubt many people besides the ones playing from the start will start grinding Mario kart Wii as an eSport in 2022.
Yeah, this guy doesn’t have a clue of what he’s talking about. It’s actually the most skill based MK game. So I don’t know where he’s coming off saying that it’s very luck based. It arguably has the best tracks in the whole series. My only real gripes with the game is with the lack of i frames after getting hit with items and the battle mode, which I think is one of the worst in the series. Other than that, I disagree with so many of this dude’s other points.
@@HugoSoup57 I actually think it's the best battle mode in the series. The most tracks, the most players, maps are huge and dynamic. Deluxe's battle mode alright too though. What other battle modes are worth playing. 64 is to small, double dash lacks maps, Ds is gimmicky with the microphone, super Mario kart is really hard to aim, vanilla 8 was jank with where you could hide/run away forever because they were race tracks. If wii has the worse battle mode then all the battle modes suck, but I haven't played 7 yet so maybe that's the best.
You see
You're seeing Mario Kart WII in it's competitve side by bringing the ultra shortcuts and shortcuts while this guy plays it casually
Not everyone plays Mario Kart Wii like a hardcore and some just plays for fun
A niche competitive scene isn’t an excuse for the game feeling like piss normally. Go play F-Zero GX as it’s actually a game that does both perfectly.
@@callinater6133 (I can't believe people still comment on this thread.) The argument was that MKwii is a bad party game not that is has bad controls. I have played gx and it is not a party game but it is still a great game.
The absolute funniest part of this video was the VPN bait and switch into the raid add LMFAO
The main reason I enjoy mario kart wii is nostalgia and while I do enjoy the chaos of the game it's not something I'd like to spend hours on like 8. Mario Kart Wii was probably one of my most played adolescent games but I didn't really care or know the game was bs back then.
I like having chaos, but Mario kart Wii just has two major problems that drag it down my list. The controls and items.
Hot take: Double Dash is better than Mario Kart Wii. And I'm super nostalgic for Wii! I played DD with a friend recently and I loved how the Karts handled. It's like a middle ground between the handling in 64 and Wii. Not too slippery but still has a bit of jank you have to deal with.
9:17 less variety and no wheelies? Nahhh I stick with Mario kart Wii
I like how in depth about mario kart wii after so many defending this game because how this game is fast paced compared to mk8
Also nice eurobeat background
When I play any Mario Kart (but especially this one) I usually mute the music and listen to Eurobeat instead
@@CaptainAstronaut With amount of times you keep listening the same songs and with the craziest turns its automatically easy to listen eurobeat for mario kart
@@CaptainAstronaut are you human sir? The music is the best of all Mario kart games
@Yung Sailor it doesn’t have Sydney Sprint so your opinion is automatically incorrect
That seque to the sponsor was funny as shit.
okay but we love birdo cmon now
The only part of the video I would consider changing would be to say that Birdo ain't so bad
love to hear it !
That ad fakeout was so slick, I dont think people noticed lol
Know what? Idc if the title is just clickbait, Mario kart wii is the best Mario kart, You’re wrong.
Nice argument, one small issue however: skill issue mad cuz bad get good
I love Mario Kart Wii. It's probably my most played Mario Kart as well as tied for my favourite with 8 Deluxe. That being said, I can totally understand your point of view when it comes to the game. You point out a lot of genuine flaws with the game like the wonky physics, terrible kart and character balancing and harsh unlockables (7 years have passed since I had this game and for the 5 that I played it, I still don't have Dry Bowser or Rosa). It felt like all of your points had some validity to them, and I respect your opinion. The one thing I will respectfully disagree with is the music criticism you made for not only Wii but the series as a whole before 8. You just say it "kinda sucks" but I personally found a lot of tracks great. Now I'm not defending every theme hear, there's gonna be some duds like Grumble Volcano or DK Pass but the rest is far from bad in my opinion. You got classics like Toad's Factory, Shroom Ridge, Wario Colleseum, Waluigi Pinall ect. There's a plethera of great music options to not only listen in the game but also outside of it and I feel like you kinda sold it short. This is obviously still just my opinion and I still respect yours.
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