All the elders in a church who has the willingness and ability to teach ought to teach....we also put way too much emphasis on teaching as if it is to predominant thing in the church..We need to grow more balanced in our understanding of church life...all the giftings of the Holy Spirit should be encouraged. We have stiffled other gifts because of our SEE it all KNOW it all attitude towards preaching. We exalt the teaching/preaching of the written word above all else. This is clearly an outcome of the protestant revolution brought in under Luther...He was justified in his fight to set the written word as the standard considering the abuses of the priesthood but it was not the "leader" of the church of God. God gave the holy Spirit the office of leading the church. Please don't get me wrong jesus Christ is the word...but through misguided zeal the word becomes a mere formality. The early church was established in a real and living relationship with Jesus Christ in the personage of the Holy Spirit.They then expected him to manifest in a definite way consistent with his word...but never the word as a dead formality to which we must subjugate ourselves as law(legalism) This is why protestant ministers like the priests of Catholicism have replaced one error for another. Preachers are the new priests...The written or spoken word the new Holy Spirit. We need to deemphsize these offices.
Be ready to deal with divisive people....how? When these divisive people are in leadership positions? When others in the body do not want to "make waves"? Do you just leave and go find another church? It's hard in small communities (800 and less).
Dear Pilgrim - God talks directly to believers today through “the anointing!” (1 John 2: 27) says, “As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.” NOTE - (see Acts 2: 38) to learn how one obtains the anointing! Pilgrim - the Bible tells us that in the 1st Century - Apostles appointed elders/leaders with divine authority called “Apostolic Authority.” (Acts 14:23) says, “Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.” Also, in the 1st Century, the Apostles appointed elders indirectly by delegated authority to “mini-apostles” like Paul did to Titus. Paul says in (Titus 1:5) - “The reason I left you (Titus) in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you.” Thus, an Apostle’s Apostolic authority was necessary for Scriptural elder/leader selection in the 1st Century but the Bible does not say How elders are to be selected after the passing of the Apostles and their Apostolic Authority! Here are some unanswered questions about the selection of elder/leaders: Pilgrim - Who nominates elders/leaders today and how are they placed on the ballot? Who then is allowed to vote for the nominees, is it just men, men and women or everyone including children? Also, must the winner have a majority, a plurality or must it be unanimous? Is there a set term for an elder/leader? If so, how long is that term? How can elders/leaders be removed? Once again (if it is by vote) must there be a majority, a plurality or must it be unanimous? Does anyone oversee the elder/leaders? If so, who evaluate elder/leaders and how is this done? Are there yearly or periodic report cards? What if an elder’s wife dies - must the elder step down? And, what if an elder refuse to step down, etc., etc.??? Pilgrim, if “God is Not the author of chaos or confusion but of peace in all the churches of the saints” (1Corinthians 14:33) … Then … Why all this chaos and confusion Today … What could be the answer? Pilgrim - Before you learn the answer, you must first understand the problem! The problem today is that there are now over 44,000 different Christian church denominations (i.e. each with their own “traditions of men” selecting elders and making leadership choices) BUT the fact that God’s Holy Spirit can only Scripturally dwell in God’s one true church - DICTATES that There can be NO Scriptural elders/leaders today in churches! Pilgrim - The Fact is that even though the 1st Century (corporate) assembly (i.e. with elders as the vehicle to instruct/lead Believers to God’s Will) ended with the death of the last Apostle …All is not lost! Paul says in (1Corinthians 13:10-12) - “but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.” Note - The promised “perfect” that Paul speaks of “to know God fully” as “God knows us fully” must be accessed on this side, since All Scripture says we only have our lifetime in which to come “to know God fully.” Upon death, our fate is sealed; all that we have thought, said and done while in the body is then judged against the Word of God. Pilgrim - Here are the events that occurred at the end of the 1st Century that necessitated God’s giving of “the perfect:” #l). All Apostles had died and so died “Apostolic Authority” (i.e. the Holy Spirit inspired Apostles’ instruction to the church), #2). All things Israel were destroyed including the Temple and tribal lineage records which thus officially ended the Old Testament Covenant, #3). The New Testament Covenant began fully when the Holy Spirit was given to the Gentiles, #4). The churches became Worldlier, so much so, that the Apostles had to write 29 epistles (i.e. letters of correction and instruction) to help the churches and #5). By Circa 70 A.D. the Bible Canon was complete; the Holy Spirit NOW spiritually anoints each Baptized Believer so they can understand God’s completed Word and Will in the Bible. Pilgrim listen again to today’s Scripture wherein the Apostle John explains the importance of God’s Holy Spirit that indwells the Believer at adult full immersion Baptism so as to personally instruct him: “As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.” (1 John 2: 27) THEREFORE - Pilgrim - Get “the anointing” to know God fully while there is still time! “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.” (2 Corinthians 5:10) SUMMATION - Pilgrim - Nowhere in the Bible does it sanction the selection of elders/leaders today to corporately instruct or lead members in understanding how to be saved. A personal relationship with Jesus is what saves us; we obtain that personal relationship at our Baptism’s “anointing” when we receive “the gift of the Holy Spirit” who assists us in Believing and Obeying with Love and Perseverance without “adding to or subtracting from The Word of God.” Pilgrim - When you go to Bible …. You go to God’s church! Respectfully submitted as my Scriptural understanding; I share with you what His Spirit has shared with my spirit. Pilgrim - Remember, always “test the spirits” (i.e. the traditions of men) against the Spirit and Word of God (1 John 4:1). A watchman of His Word.
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Good teaching 💯👍🏾
We’ve still got so much Constantinianism to shed.
Wow! Is this video really 6 years old!, yet so enriched with scriptural information 👍🏿
All the elders in a church who has the willingness and ability to teach ought to teach....we also put way too much emphasis on teaching as if it is to predominant thing in the church..We need to grow more balanced in our understanding of church life...all the giftings of the Holy Spirit should be encouraged. We have stiffled other gifts because of our SEE it all KNOW it all attitude towards preaching. We exalt the teaching/preaching of the written word above all else. This is clearly an outcome of the protestant revolution brought in under Luther...He was justified in his fight to set the written word as the standard considering the abuses of the priesthood but it was not the "leader" of the church of God. God gave the holy Spirit the office of leading the church.
Please don't get me wrong jesus Christ is the word...but through misguided zeal the word becomes a mere formality. The early church was established in a real and living relationship with Jesus Christ in the personage of the Holy Spirit.They then expected him to manifest in a definite way consistent with his word...but never the word as a dead formality to which we must subjugate ourselves as law(legalism)
This is why protestant ministers like the priests of Catholicism have replaced one error for another. Preachers are the new priests...The written or spoken word the new Holy Spirit.
We need to deemphsize these offices.
Be ready to deal with divisive people....how? When these divisive people are in leadership positions? When others in the body do not want to "make waves"? Do you just leave and go find another church? It's hard in small communities (800 and less).
Dear Pilgrim - God talks directly to believers today through “the anointing!”
(1 John 2: 27) says, “As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.”
NOTE - (see Acts 2: 38) to learn how one obtains the anointing!
Pilgrim - the Bible tells us that in the 1st Century - Apostles appointed elders/leaders with divine authority called “Apostolic Authority.” (Acts 14:23) says, “Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust.”
Also, in the 1st Century, the Apostles appointed elders indirectly by delegated authority to “mini-apostles” like Paul did to Titus.
Paul says in (Titus 1:5) - “The reason I left you (Titus) in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you.”
Thus, an Apostle’s Apostolic authority was necessary for Scriptural elder/leader selection in the 1st Century but the Bible does not say How elders are to be selected after the passing of the Apostles and their Apostolic Authority!
Here are some unanswered questions about the selection of elder/leaders:
Pilgrim - Who nominates elders/leaders today and how are they placed on the ballot? Who then is allowed to vote for the nominees, is it just men, men and women or everyone including children? Also, must the winner have a majority, a plurality or must it be unanimous? Is there a set term for an elder/leader? If so, how long is that term? How can elders/leaders be removed? Once again (if it is by vote) must there be a majority, a plurality or must it be unanimous? Does anyone oversee the elder/leaders? If so, who evaluate elder/leaders and how is this done? Are there yearly or periodic report cards? What if an elder’s wife dies - must the elder step down? And, what if an elder refuse to step down, etc., etc.???
Pilgrim, if “God is Not the author of chaos or confusion but of peace in all the churches of the saints” (1Corinthians 14:33) … Then … Why all this chaos and confusion Today … What could be the answer?
Pilgrim - Before you learn the answer, you must first understand the problem!
The problem today is that there are now over 44,000 different Christian church denominations (i.e. each with their own “traditions of men” selecting elders and making leadership choices) BUT the fact that God’s Holy Spirit can only Scripturally dwell in God’s one true church - DICTATES that There can be NO Scriptural elders/leaders today in churches!
Pilgrim - The Fact is that even though the 1st Century (corporate) assembly (i.e. with elders as the vehicle to instruct/lead Believers to God’s Will) ended with the death of the last Apostle …All is not lost!
Paul says in (1Corinthians 13:10-12) - “but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.”
Note - The promised “perfect” that Paul speaks of “to know God fully” as “God knows us fully” must be accessed on this side, since All Scripture says we only have our lifetime in which to come “to know God fully.” Upon death, our fate is sealed; all that we have thought, said and done while in the body is then judged against the Word of God.
Pilgrim - Here are the events that occurred at the end of the 1st Century that necessitated God’s giving of “the perfect:”
#l). All Apostles had died and so died “Apostolic Authority” (i.e. the Holy Spirit inspired Apostles’ instruction to the church), #2). All things Israel were destroyed including the Temple and tribal lineage records which thus officially ended the Old Testament Covenant, #3). The New Testament Covenant began fully when the Holy Spirit was given to the Gentiles, #4). The churches became Worldlier, so much so, that the Apostles had to write 29 epistles (i.e. letters of correction and instruction) to help the churches and #5). By Circa 70 A.D. the Bible Canon was complete; the Holy Spirit NOW spiritually anoints each Baptized Believer so they can understand God’s completed Word and Will in the Bible.
Pilgrim listen again to today’s Scripture wherein the Apostle John explains the importance of God’s Holy Spirit that indwells the Believer at adult full immersion Baptism so as to personally instruct him:
“As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.” (1 John 2: 27)
THEREFORE - Pilgrim - Get “the anointing” to know God fully while there is still time! “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.” (2 Corinthians 5:10)
SUMMATION - Pilgrim - Nowhere in the Bible does it sanction the selection of elders/leaders today to corporately instruct or lead members in understanding how to be saved. A personal relationship with Jesus is what saves us; we obtain that personal relationship at our Baptism’s “anointing” when we receive “the gift of the Holy Spirit” who assists us in Believing and Obeying with Love and Perseverance without “adding to or subtracting from The Word of God.”
Pilgrim - When you go to Bible …. You go to God’s church!
Respectfully submitted as my Scriptural understanding; I share with you what His Spirit has shared with my spirit. Pilgrim - Remember, always “test the spirits” (i.e. the traditions of men) against the Spirit and Word of God (1 John 4:1).
A watchman of His Word.
I dont see much eldership on earth..i see plenty of dealer$ship$ ..i dont see sanctity or faith..i see the apeo$tacy has not been stopped..i see $lumbering ape$, but elders i dont see..why the fuck would i place a man in the way of master..call no man father..be decieved by no mean$..we $till struggle with principalitie$ obviously 🤑