Non-Stop Only 279km in Winter | 2019 Hyundai Kona EV Ultimate Review

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  • Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024

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  • @jrwaters943
    @jrwaters943 4 года назад +7

    For what it is worth, my Kona EV is getting about 280 miles of winter range in mostly city driving (average high has been below 40F and low has been around 20F, but the car is garaged at night). For comparison, our Bolt only manages about 200 miles under the same conditions and commute (both my husband and I work at the same place). Our 2016 Kia Soul EV range drops to 78-80 miles during the winter LOL. Overall, I have been very impressed with the Kona.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад +1

      City driving helps since you're able to regen energy with braking, whereas the highway testing we did doesn't allow for much of that. I'm not quite sure how you're getting 450km in the winter though, considering the WLTP's range is a pretty liberal number at 449km for this vehicle. When you're saying 280mi of range, is that what the computer is estimating when you start it up after parked in a heated garage all night? How much actual driving are you doing compared to what the computer estimates? As mentioned this car estimated a lot more on startup than it actually performed.

  • @sonyhk3824
    @sonyhk3824 4 года назад +10

    Hyundai has made rapid strides in car production over the past few years. Cheers Nile

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад +1

      Agreed! They're a rising star in the automotive world. Always impressed with what we test from them.

  • @2cats1guy
    @2cats1guy 4 года назад +4

    The temp doesn’t affect the range as much as the fan. Crank the heat up (little to no change), put the fan to its lowest setting (range increases) and crack the sunroof a little and the vacuum will force that heat out of the hvac and warm the cabin quickly.

  • @vladsaghin7644
    @vladsaghin7644 4 года назад +14

    14:50 Yes you can go on a road trip in an EV and yes, even in winter. Great video as always but this test is very flawed. Why would you ever go on a trip (or even to work) without pre-conditioning the battery and interior? Especially in winter? Pre-conditioning is rule number 1 when you have an EV. It doesn't only heat the interior, it also conditions the battery so you don't lose dozens of km of range for nothing. And pro-tip, heated steering wheel and heated seats are your best friend and help you save a lot of range.
    279km in -15 temperatures is still very good. That's about 3 hours of driving and you should stop for a break at least every 2 hours. And people in the comments DESPERATELY need to have the slightest bit of perspective! 10 years ago, we didn't even have mass market EVs, and the snowball really started to grow 5 years ago. The progress in this technology is mind-blowing. Even 2-3 years ago, the Tesla Model 3 didn't even exist in Canada and yet now, I see dozens on my commute and have plenty of neighbors who have one.

    • @Spad68
      @Spad68 4 года назад

      New to all this . What do you mean pre condition the engine and cabin before driving?
      Thank u

    • @vladsaghin7644
      @vladsaghin7644 4 года назад +2

      @@Spad68 For example, if you leave for work at 7 in the morning, you can tell the car (in the infotainment or the app on your phone) to be at 24°C inside by the time it's 7. So in this case, the car will start heating the cabin maybe around 6:30 so that it will be nice and warm when you get inside. It will also keep the battery at an optimum temperature if the car is plugged in. That way, when you start driving at 7, the car won't spend a lot of its energy to heat up and the battery will still be at 100% because you took the energy from the house via the plug, and not from the car's battery. And since the battery is at a good temperature, it will lose less range when you drive.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  9 дней назад

      We've done a couple road trips with EVs recently.

  • @bossman8303
    @bossman8303 4 года назад +2

    I have a Kona and even the reduced range is no problem for local driving. I live in the country and going to the city and back without charging is no problem. I bought in May 2019 and never came back home with less then 100Km range left. Some times we go places and there is a free charger and I will hook up although it is not necessary. But hey, who says no to free fuel. Love it, love it, love it.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      I agree, the reduced winter range is still plenty for most drivers on a daily basis. It ultimately comes down to how you drive and where, but even staying safe with 225km should be more than enough for a day's use.

  • @Marshal_Dunnik
    @Marshal_Dunnik 4 года назад +7

    Good test, many don't seem to realize the cold affects the performance of electric vehicles.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      That's one of the reasons I wanted to get this during the winter! The Bolt EV we had earlier in 2019 was at the tail-end of winter, so the range wasn't affected that much.

    • @martinwray7001
      @martinwray7001 4 года назад

      Like the cold effects the range of all vehicles?
      Increased air density etc

  • @oceanfroggie
    @oceanfroggie 4 года назад +1

    We got 370km driving through head winds of storm brendan last week with temp only 6ºC so warmer than video, but we had all the heating on inc steering wheel and heated seats. During summer months we get 500km in urban areas and 440 on long highway trips

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      Those are some pretty incredible range numbers to be getting.

    • @oceanfroggie
      @oceanfroggie 4 года назад

      @@PRNTestDrive Yea 'it does what it says on the tin'. 500k range city driving in summer was not exceptional last summer and 440km at motorway speeds on long trips. Naturally its less in winter cold weather.

  • @stockey
    @stockey 4 года назад +12

    It's the same thing with all the EV's, they loose a lot of range in winter , they should use a thermopump, like the Niro EV.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      My understanding is the Kona EV also uses a battery warming pump, but it's mainly to get the battery up to temperature so the regen braking can recoup power on a cold start, that's probably why I got those warnings early in my drive since I left it outside.

    • @martinwray7001
      @martinwray7001 4 года назад

      The air sourced heat pump is mainly to heat the cabin but also to maintain battery pack temperature in extreme conditions.
      Yes, the Kona has one.

    • @patrickfavier4310
      @patrickfavier4310 4 года назад

      Most serious range reduction is not the heater in fact, its the cold air which is denser, so you will have more air resistance. ICE will have the same. Also, if the battery is cold, you will see reduced range on the first leg, after some driving, and fastcharging this goes away. Al in, on long trip (800km) heating use (at -3 gegrees c) is less than 2% overall. Wintertyres having more rolling resistance is also a factor.

  • @peterdonnelly6732
    @peterdonnelly6732 4 года назад +3

    Sorry to hear you perpetrating the idea that the 120v plug is woefully inadequate, when for many people it's not. The three-day charge is seldom or never going to happen because the battery is topped up nightly. In 12 hours you can pick up 100 (summertime) km, more than the average daily use. Yes, a Level 2 home station is a convenience, and even a necessity if you drive a lot, but it's an unnecessary expense for many.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      A $800 L2 is unnecessarily expensive for someone who’s spending about $20,000 more for an electrified version of a car that they won’t recoup that cost by not purchasing gas? Come on, that’s the worst argument I’ve ever heard.

    • @peterdonnelly6732
      @peterdonnelly6732 4 года назад +1

      @@PRNTestDrive So after spending $50k I'm supposed to spend another grand or so installing equipment that I don't need, just to avoid being a cheapskate in your eyes? My worst argument you've ever heard is simply that you're spreading misinformation by claiming that a Level 2 supply is a necessity, when for many buyers it's not. And speaking of bad arguments, you don't recoup anything by using L2 rather than L1.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      If you don't mind waiting 2.5 days to charge your Kona, go for it. It really doesn't affect my life what you do, but most people buy a car to actually drive it, and if you're happy waiting around that long to use it be my guest.

    • @peterdonnelly6732
      @peterdonnelly6732 4 года назад +4

      @@PRNTestDrive I've owned a Kona for almost a year and have yet to wait around for it to charge except at public stations. This 2.5 days is an extreme case that presumes you have exhausted the battery and can't go anywhere until it's full again. It's a bogeyman that's relentlessly pushed by RUclips experts (and dilettantes) to scare people into thinking they're only going to be able to drive every third day unless they can put in a 240v supply.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      👍🏻

  • @paulm6481
    @paulm6481 4 года назад +6

    Great test, weather has big effect on these electrics. I still think these work best as second car and driven in city. But much respect to Hyundai. This is a great vehicle and more of what we need, compact mainstream electrics instead of Uber performance Porsche’s. I learned a lot and will buy a electric from Hyundai when I can afford.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      Glad you liked it, thanks! Definitely ideal as a city car, but we did well with it out in the country. The entire weekend after my non-stop drive was charge-free, I let it charge up after that 11hs and didn't bother plugging it in until the night before dropping it off.

    • @RUHappyATM
      @RUHappyATM 4 года назад

      So you will still be contributing to more carbon output?

  • @AWildBard
    @AWildBard 4 года назад +1

    It's 2020 but I just bought this car in Korea. Actually, because of the Corona virus, production is delayed, and you can't get a 2020 unless you are already on the waiting list over here.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад +1

      Interesting info, thanks for sharing!

  • @infinityNmore
    @infinityNmore 4 года назад +1

    Hi, do you know when it’s relevant to use the winter mode? I’m still confused about this function. It says that it improves the performance but would reduce the range. So do I really need to use the winter mode during the winter if I don’t mind a little less performance?
    I’m a proud owner of a Kona EV 64kWh for 2 months. 2019 model with a heat pump. My daily driving is 25% motorway / 40% countryside / 35% mountain roads. When driving normally, I can reach 450km easily. With a “lighter” driving, I can reach 500km. Temperatures at 10-15C.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад +1

      Great question! I just featured the 2020 Hyundai Ioniq electric and someone had turned on Winter Mode already. This mode is best once temperatures get to 0°C and below as the heat pump will be used to warm the battery pack up should it get too cold during winter driving. If you don’t have it enabled and your battery gets too cold the motor won’t operate at full power reducing your overall acceleration and efficiency. The range ends up decreasing regardless due to the colder temperatures, but more energy is used in Winter Mode to heat the battery, whereas normally that heat energy would only be used for the passenger cabin.
      If you don’t live anywhere cold like I do here in Québec where temperatures can quickly hit -30°C you won’t necessarily need to use Winter Mode, but if you’re daily high temperatures average about -10°C or less you’ll definitely want it enabled.

    • @infinityNmore
      @infinityNmore 4 года назад +1

      @@PRNTestDrive many thanks for your reply 🙂. I live in Switzerland, and everyday, I drive up the mountain to work (altitude 1100m), with 110km/day. During winter, it’s possible to get down to -20C, but it’s quite rare. The weather is more often between -10C and 0C.
      So for now, I’ll keep the winter mode off. And if one day, it gets extremely cold, I’ll try to turn it on and see if I can notice any difference 😉
      Anyhow, I must admit I really enjoy driving the Kona everyday. Difficult to come back to an ICE engine (with the little exception of a MX-5 I really like 😆).

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      I hear ya! If I could focus entirely on electrics on this channel I would, I really enjoy driving anything electric!

  • @Scouter98
    @Scouter98 4 года назад +6

    Yeah, reminds of this guy i used to know, he had a VW e-UP! and when it got below -10C the range was so bad he had to drive with no heater at all to get anywhere.
    Unless there's a breakthrough in battery tech i dont see a way for EVs to be competetive in places like canada and northern europe. Imagine having to explain to your passengers why they have to be cold in your 50k€ car.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад +2

      After my 3.5h drive I went to grab my camera equipment from the floor behind the passenger seat, it was freezing cold. In fact my camera batteries died during the drive because there wasn't any airflow going there. Definitely a problem if you have passengers, which is why I'd say the Niro EV is the way to go if you plan on having more than yourself in it, but I also agree that the technology needs to improve to the point where we aren't taking a 32% hit on range during a mild winter. I can only imagine what would have happened if it were -20ºC during this test.

  • @AWildBard
    @AWildBard 4 года назад +1

    By the way, according to Byorn Nyland, the taper off point for fastest charging is at about 76%. I also witnessed this once charging my car.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад +1

      Could very well be, batteries charge quicker the emptier they are.

  • @arenjay3278
    @arenjay3278 4 года назад +1

    EV's work best in city driving less well on highways, affected by temperature and speed, tires are also big factors. Heaters make big difference, heat pump helps but only if you have excess heat. Hills regen or not, all help. Highway less regen is best, unless you have a steep hill.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      We plan on using this same route as we did with the Niro EV to test all electrics, more of a real-world course to see what they're capable of.

  • @Ready72000
    @Ready72000 4 года назад +4

    Minus 12 - Not that cold (if you’re Canadian). 🥺

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      Definitely not, but we can't predict the weather. We've only had a few seriously cold days so far this year, I'm expecting it to get worse, but we've already booked everything up until March and we don't have any more electrics available until spring.

    • @martinwray7001
      @martinwray7001 4 года назад

      They seem to manage ok with EVs in Norway

  • @albergan3174
    @albergan3174 4 года назад +1

    Great vid, but wind chill only affects people, car is already at outside temps.

  • @skyfox77
    @skyfox77 4 года назад +1

    A thing to note is that if you reduce speed too 90Km/h instead of 110 you will gain alot of range

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад +1

      And you’ll be run off the road by faster traffic on our highways.

    • @skyfox77
      @skyfox77 4 года назад +4

      Depends on where you live I guess, but you will still gain alot of range if you reduce your speed.

    • @skyfox77
      @skyfox77 4 года назад +2

      You could go about 330Km in winter if you drive 90Km/h instead of 110

  • @0hypnotoad0
    @0hypnotoad0 4 года назад +1

    Honestly man I got some great advice, put a coat on. A coat, not a hoodie. Seriously, this isn't a gas vehicle where you just have waste-heat billowing out every which way, heating an EV is an active power input. Put a coat on, turn on the heated seats, then you don't need to blast the heat and waste the range.

  • @tudormontescu6275
    @tudormontescu6275 4 года назад

    And what is the threshold where you DON'T need to have a home charger to get one? 1000km range? How far can you live from a charger, really?

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      Hyundai advertises the Kona EV will take approximately 2.5 days, ~60 hours to fully charge this from near-zero battery with the supplied level 1 charger, so it depends on how much driving you do and if you can live without it for long periods of time while it charges. If you're daily commute is only 20km each way, you could in theory drive it all week without plugging it in and leave it plugged in over the weekend to have it ready again for Monday.

  • @michaeltwomey9751
    @michaeltwomey9751 4 года назад +2

    Calling it a 2020 when it’s a 2019 model is click baiting.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад +1

      It’s absolutely not, and if you think other channels don’t do this you’re in for a surprise. There’s some huge channels that not only do this, but go back and change their video titles after a year to get more views when the new models come out. I was honest and up front about it, and discussed the changes for 2020.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      xfalselove 😴😴

  • @davemcguigan218
    @davemcguigan218 4 года назад +7

    Rather have a gas car, no range anxiety . Gas stations all over the place.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад +2

      I wouldn't want the regular Kona over this, I still don't understand the appeal of the regular fuel one.

    • @davemcguigan218
      @davemcguigan218 4 года назад

      @@PRNTestDrive Gas is available everywhere and convenient. Electric was around briefly 100 years ago and died. No range anxiety with gas, try driving on a 1000 mile road trip and find charging stations that take 5 minutes to gas and go. Winter cold effects it as well. Apartments don't have provisions either. Electric are are just not practical! Where is the spare tire?

    • @vladsaghin7644
      @vladsaghin7644 4 года назад +5

      @@davemcguigan218 Mass market EVs didn't even exist 10 years ago, give them a break. Do you think the switch from horses to gas cars was made overnight?

    • @davemcguigan218
      @davemcguigan218 4 года назад

      @@vladsaghin7644 then you drive them! I'll drive gas cars! Thank you very much, with the majority!!!

    • @Mtatc1
      @Mtatc1 4 года назад +2

      @@davemcguigan218 then drive your gas car and let them drive thier electric Kona. 🤷‍♂️ with same range and better availability of electricity than fuel

  • @Oregon696969
    @Oregon696969 4 года назад +1

    I think this is a wake up call that it is time to depopulate Canada. We have room in Oklahoma and Arkansas. We can call it Colarkansas.

  • @oranjeboomic969
    @oranjeboomic969 4 года назад +2

    You said you were averaging 22,9 kWh/100 km. so with 64 kWh available energy / 0,229 kWh/km = 279 km.
    So this is basically worst case scenario, leave the car out in the cold -20, highway speed at -6 and and still it goes 279 km. Wow, thats amazing! My Nissan Leaf 40 kWh doesn¨t go that far under perfect conditions during summer and 80 km/h :)
    I don¨t think you mentioned your tire pressure? That could help up to 10 % in range.
    Tip
    Next time don't write false information in the topic
    Show your start stat before leaving and show your end stat screen when you are finished.
    How much was highway speed?
    Don´t laugh when you say that it takes 11 hours to recharge the car, like its ridiculous. Because seriously how often would that be a problem? "Never" If you would go on a long trip you would preheat the car in the garage and start from there and use fastchargers that are above 100 kW and charge at 70 kW. And if you are at home, you just plug it in and use it the next day.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад +6

      I’m not sure what you’re getting at by me ‘writing false information’. I’d like you to clarify that statement please.

    • @oranjeboomic969
      @oranjeboomic969 4 года назад

      @@PRNTestDrive 2020 Kona. And then "Hi, this a 2019 Kona" Like I just clicked bate you sucker haha. That kind of thing is just not giving me any trust towards anything your saying. I would have watched the video anyway even if it was only 2019 Kona in the topic.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад +9

      I can point out dozens of channels, and even more websites and blogs that do this on a regular basis. In fact a number of large US channels on RUclips go back and change the titles of their videos when the new year rolls around to capitalize on views. Not only was I upfront about my decision to do this, but I explain the ONLY two differences between the 2019 and 2020 model year as soon as we get into the walk around of this vehicle.
      Had the 2020 changed the mechanical components of the Kona, or the range was in anyway affected, I would have made this title a 2019. There are other channels out there who would have published a video on this exact same VIN 4 months ago calling it a 2020 with zero explanation, along with the incorrect infotainment screen.

  • @ianhase
    @ianhase 4 года назад

    ruclips.net/video/JaUNTWHjiyA/видео.html tire pressure is way to low.

    • @PRNTestDrive
      @PRNTestDrive  4 года назад

      It’s possible this was just due to the temperature we filmed the B roll in. I have a heated garage so it spend the night in there before coming out the next cold morning to film those shots.

  • @3v4761
    @3v4761 4 года назад +2

    Mileage sux