I have a different read on what goes on in Michael's head during the 13:22 pause, if I may. To me, David doesn't understand that what Michael wants above all is to be shown respect. I think that's what he means when he says 'I think I deserve more', he deserves more than being forced to hop in his car and drive all the way to NY to get to talk with Wallace. David thinks Michael just wants his birthday party since that's what sparked the issue in the first place, he thinks he can treat Micheal like a kid and appease him by giving him his party, while at the same keeping the status quo with Charles. He doesn't get that Michael at this point wasn't about having his party, he was about being shown respect and not being chaperoned by Charles. When Michael realises that David is intent on treating him like a kid by not budging on the Charles issue and thinking he can appease him by giving him a party like you would a kid, he feels he's not getting the respect he deserves at Dundler Mifflin anymore after 15 years of service and decides to quit. This is the straw that breaks the camel back, when you take into account that Michael was already pissed at David for sending Holly back to Nashua, which was a really sucky sucky thing to do.
It always puzzled me why Jim didn't just remove the bow tie, and maybe also the jacket. Then it was just a blouse or (cotton/flanel) shirt, instead of a tuxedo.
Finally, the beginning of what I consider to be the best arc in the entire Office. Keep up the great work, this series got me to go back and watch some of my favorite episodes of the Office.
I would say its not the best arc of the series, but I agree that this arc is very enjoyable! I very much liked the Michael Scott paper company arc, wished it went on a little longer than it did, ended too soon!
Charles saying "if you do not like it, I think there are still some C-shaped bagels in the conference room" was our first glimpse of the man who would later rip off his glasses and charge towards a terminated Michael Scott.
9,986,000 minutes is literally nearly 19 years, which makes sense. So that's how long Michael would have been a Dunder Mifflin employee. BUT if you only count 8 hour days, five day weeks, 50 weeks a year..... Yeah, that's 83 years of work hours 😂
Its a bold story arc because Elba's character is doing what Wallace knows what needs to be done: be the adult in the room at Scranton. He's there to do Michaels job and clean the place up. Which indirectly leads to Jim also having to deal with an adult manager. And no amount of smooth talking or Halpert charm is gonna work. So it was interesting to see Jim so off his game. Last, as others pointed out all Michael ever wanted was to be shown some respect. Too often corporate forgets to throw its an employee's a bone.
like everyone else in the comments, i also adore this arc. i love seeing ryan again, I love seeing Pam being goofy, and I love Idris Elba even if charles is a lil strict
This is one of my favorite episodes . I love when someone from the ‘real world’ first discovers the insanity of the office . One deleted scene from Charles where he says (referring to Jim) “in management school we are taught to identify waste, it’s rare that waste so readily identifies itself ..” . Great line !
This episode (& arc) is a masterclass in "Mistakes in Management". Michael sees Wallace as his friend. He also realizes that he's put DM's interests above his own several times. Since Wallace is so hands off, doesn't seemingly bother to really get to know the guy who is directly reporting to him & only thinks in terms of business, he can't pick up on this and misunderstands why he's so upset. Michael thinks Charles is moving in on his territory when he is just trying to do the actual job he was hired to do. If he had just let Charles have his day, he would have been gone & Michael could have run his branch, albeit under some actual supervision. Also, if he had owned the Golden Ticket idea regardless of the result, like a manager should, he wouldn't be in this spot. We will realize later that Charles is AWFUL at identifying the strengths & weaknesses of his employees. And now I know more about the windows at The Office than I will ever need to know, lmao.
Yes, agree! Especial agree with the second to last part. I think that hinted this a little bit when Charles says that he from accounting. Because (most) accountants are really precise and just care about effectiveness, precision and numbers.
Saying they did the math wrong is pulling hairs. Obviously he didn’t work those exact minutes, it simply equates to 19 years which is how long he was with the company. When you work somewhere you don’t say you’ve worked there as much as your hours operating lol
I gotta rant a little. They have always called the boss a regional manager, a regional manager would over see other branches in the region. Like Jan, Ryan, and Charles. Michael would be a branch manager. Always bugged me. Am I wrong?
No I think it’s just regional manager sounds more “striving middle management” in our collective parlance than branch manager. I’m short, it’s funnier. Ba dum dum kind of thing.
You seem to have made a mistake when you worked the math for the 9,986,000 minutes bit. You say that meant Michael would have been around when Robert Dunder founded the company. Wrong! 9,986,000 minutes divided 60 is 166,433 hours, which divided 24 is 6,934 days, which divided 365 is 19 years. Sounds about right.
Really like this episode and the whole MSPC arc. I hadn’t seen The Wire when I first watched this but Idris Elba has such a commanding seriousness about him, it balances perfectly with Steve Carell. Not to mention he plays American so well that his British accent still sounds fake to me. I don’t think Charles is a bad guy. He loosens up an episode later when he encourages an office wide soccer game . His behavior this episode was obviously brought on by the stress of having to deal with a man child. He correctly sized Jim up as a slacker and for how weird Dwight is, he’s still the top salesman so Charles gives him respect. They made his character goofier in the company picnic episode later on but he’s great in these episodes.
One thing I was thinking about today is that we don't get much of Dwight's perspective of this change in management yet. I wonder why they decided to put him in the background.
@@Mulverine You mean in this particular episode? I assume because he wasn't supposed to stick around but then Michael quit at the end and Wallace made Charles interim manager. The focus of this episode was, like you said, on Michael's perceived value to the company. The other episodes in this arc touch upon how Dwight respects Charles and vice versa.
Yep! Just this particular episode; I think even a sentence just to check in with Dwight would be nice. Not that it takes away from the episode itself...just a 'nice to have'.
Idk if this is a flaw in the script or my brain (tho i have a guess lol) but: Michael says to Charles “I’ve been here 15 years; you’ve been here-“ my mind always immediately fills in “15 minutes.” This, to me, seems the perfect means of expressing brevity, while also being verbally effective. IE it just sounds right!! Drives me batspit every time i watch this episode. (Unfortunately the actual line is “a day,” or some such nonsense my brain refuses to recall.)
To Elba’s credit in what a great actor he is, I severely disliked him for awhile after this role, as this was my introduction to him at the time. I think to a lot of people, the issues wasn’t his seriousness, it was the fact that Michael is so childlike and even Toby understands this, which is why he deals with his behavior. Charles threatening him was like an adult threatening to beat up a kid so it brings out a natural protective reflex.
I know that I am really late to the party, but I (especially as a non-american) I have a really high opinion of Michael's management. I believe that the office was the best is mostly because of him. The way he treats his employees as a family / friends, and treats them with laughter, fun, parties, aknowledgement (the dundies), etc etc, is such an important part of what makes this branch so succesfull. I honestly believe that without Michael, the people there would not have been such good friends, their mesh would not be as strong, even Jim and Pam would have probably not have gotten together without Michael's influence. In such stresful world we live in, it must have been such a relief and joy to have a workplace where the job pressure was not as much as it is at a normal workplace. Charles in my opinion is not a good manager. As far as I saw he is not interested in his employees, doesn't take the time to get to know them, doesn't adapt his style to his employees' personalities and expects a large group of people to adapt to his own style (which is a recipe for disaster - i would say most people who studied management would agree). In his first day on the job he starts to make so many changes it is crazy. And I am sorry but I am 100% with Michael on cancelling his 15th anniversary party on his first day on the job. Just because someone (who's name he learned 5 min ago) told him something about them spending hours planning parties (which may or may not be true) and made his conclusion in 5 min that the branch was designed for Michael's vanity (which is partly true even though I don't agree). And at the end with Wallace, people below me have already echoed what I think as well. That Wallace triviallised Michael's concerns, and put a band aid on a bullet hole.
i assumed the joke with *"Bailer? I hardly know her!"* is that "bailer" sounds like / rhymes with "nail her". I remember people making basically the same joke back in the day. *"Liquor? I hardly know her!"* since that sounds like "Lick her". edit: I did some googling, and i guess people will make that joke with any word that ends with, or sounds like it ends with er/her. So, the more you know.
I know several people that HATE Charles. I just see him as the ONLY serious/competent boss Michael has ever had to answer to. He looks mean in this universe, but he's more realistic.
I don't get the Charles hate. His character is supposed to be the no-nonsense foil to Michael. It is so different and enjoyable to watch the reaction of Jim and Michael to a supervisor like this. The show needed an arc with a serious-type character shaking his head at all the antics. So I am glad we have it, and I will always like watching New Boss, even if it's not the absolute funniest of episodes.
I think 4/5 is fair for this episode. It opened and closed strong. In fact, I think Michael and Wallace at the end of the episode had one of the best scenes in the entire series. That pushed this episode from a 3 to a 4.
I didn’t hate Charles, but felt David Wallace brought him on to bring control to the office. Even though the branch was the most successful, there were examples of the branch bringing embarrassment (The Safety episode with Stanley’s heart attack and the Golden Ticket fiasco, for example). Not to mention that the company as a whole was doing badly in terms of finances, so Charles was brought to get rid of waste as well as control the chaos…all the things David couldn’t or wouldn’t do himself being so hands-off…similar to Michael in a way.
It's funny. I just got a new boss like Charles at my work. He came in and changed everything with an iron fist. watching security camera on everyone like it's 1984, Imposes when people can go on lunch and break when he wants you too. Locking people out on breaks
It always puzzled me why Jim didn't just remove the bow tie, and maybe also the jacket. Then it was just a blouse or (cotton/flanel) shirt, instead of a tuxedo.
I actually have very different thoughts on this. The cold opening is one of my least favorite. I don't find it to be as funny as the usual Jim / Dwight cold openings. Jim isn't playing a smart prank on Dwight, as he usually is, he's just being annoying. And it also strays into that territory of - I understand that Michael is the source of much of the comedy, but he can't actually be so stupid as to think a 15-minte round of applause is a good idea. Secondly, the animosity between Jim and Charles seems forced. Like some other people have pointed out - Jim could just take off the jacket and bow tie and roll his sleeves. And it's hard for me to imagine that even a relationship that sets off on the wrong foot lioe this couldn't be put right. I will also admit some bias - the Michael Scott Paper Company arc is not my favorite, so that stsrting may play into my dislike of this episode. These points, along with the rain outside just give this episode a bleak undertone for me that I don't like. And regarding the ending - while it's a nice moment for Michael - it just seems weak to shake a man's hand and only then say 'I quit'. As if to suggest he's agreeing to it, where he's not. I think Michael should have said 'I quit' and then shake Wallace's hand, or just not shake it at all.
I think that Charles doesn't have a lot of people skills and social skills and they hinted this a little bit when Charles says that he from accounting. Because (most) accountants are really precise and just care about effectiveness, precision and numbers.
That's if you count every minute of your life, it's roughly 19 years. But the song says 9,986,000 minutes working at Dunder Mifflin. 9.986m minutes / 60 minutes = 166,433 hours 166,433 hours / 40 hours = 4,161 work weeks 4,161 work weeks / 52 weeks a year = 80 years Michael is immortal!
@@Mulverine yeah but when someone asks me how long I've been working here and there I don't pull out my calculator, I say "2 years", counting from the day I signed the contract. It would've been more accurate if they sang "that's how many minutes you've been employed here" because this is what they mean, not working minutes 😁
Copy pasted from other comment: That's if you count every minute of your life, it's roughly 19 years. But the song says 9,986,000 minutes working at Dunder Mifflin. 9.986m minutes / 60 minutes = 166,433 hours 166,433 hours / 40 hours = 4,161 work weeks 4,161 work weeks / 52 weeks a year = 80 years Michael is immortal!
@@Mulverine they didn’t specify tho. Them saying “that’s how many minutes that you worked here” is pretty vague. It could mean that that’s how long he’s been in the office working, but it could also mean the general time. For example if you’ve worked at a job for a year, you obviously haven’t been actually working for exactly a year, but since the time you’ve had that job has been a year, you say a year. So both are equally likely, but the math for the latter is closer to the understood truth, so I go with that. Love your videos though
Mount Washington has a peak from which you can see five states. (It's probably the source of the Simpsons Movie joke where you can see the states surrounding Springfield.)
I've watched quite a few of your videos, but this is the 1st with a breakdown of how scenes where shot (that I can remember?) That was very cool to watch! I grew up a few blocks from the building that was the Stamford office's exterior. 🤞 You have similar breakdowns for that location!
another great field guide. Quick question for you Chris (or anyone.) Do you know why the episodes of The Office on Comedy Central have scenes that i have NEVER seen and seem to be bonus scenes? They air more content than Netflix ever had and even more content that's currently on Peacock, except for the Season 3 extended cut versions they offer. I'm wondering if thats what each episode is like if you purchase the season on dvd maybe?
I think the way it works is that the distribution owner gives the “final cut” of the episodes to the platform (Netflix, CC, DVDs, etc.). Over time things get trimmed or added to. The office had a lot of ‘deleted scenes’, but they’d also do things like ‘web exclusives’ (not to be confused with the webisodes) which would include content that was only available on the NBC site. So I think since the Netflix cut is the most consumed cut in history, it’s what I think a lot of us consider ‘canon’, so it’s weird when we see other scenes injected in. The most jarring for me so far was that episode with the microwave debate.
@@Mulverine That makes alot of sense, thank you. I think I've seen all of the scenes out there at some point but it still throws me when they put something extra in it. I watched Goodbye Michael on CC the other night and there were a couple added scenes that weren't entirely new to me but definitely not in the "easily available" episodes to us now. And yes, the microwave debate! It took me a while to find it after your field guide of that episode when I wanted to re-watch it on my own. Even if you google it and search for some scenes, they can be hard to dig up. I guess it keeps things fresh! :)
12:12 - (Michael Scott meme) thank you! Lol I'm an accounting manager myself, and I never understood why the CFO, especially of a publicly traded company, was so involved in things like operations and personel management.
I’ve been painting all of the rooms in my house and have spent the last two months listening/watching your videos while I work. they are so comforting and I’m so grateful for them 💓 I really love the in depth breakdown you do in every video about the plot, characters, etc. I just wanted to say thank you!
This is the first time we see Jim take an authority figure seriously. So Jim is capable of caring about his job! He genuinely cares what Charles Miner think about him. For me, this is how a real boss-employee relationship should be and yet I am not sure what the commentary is on this relationship. The truth is no one respects Michael and he doesn't know why. That is what the entire conversation with Wallace is about.
According to a Reddit video, there was a person getting a Make-A-Wish tour of the studio during this production. The recipient (not sure if male or female) said John and Jenna were not cool but Steve and Ed were. Steve put the recipient in a scene in the episode but I'm not sure in what part.
To this day I’m still not quite sure what a rundown is. I assume a client rundown, but what does that mean? A list of clients, a summary of sales to clients, a narrative description of clients? It bothers me still.
What did you get in math bro? 9,986,000 minutes is around 17 years... the team and production cast wrote the song saying they did the math, meaning Michael was there for 17 years 👍🏻
To be fair, I did really poor in school....Sorry Mrs. Brown. Copy pasted from other comment: If you count every minute of your life, it's roughly 19 years. But the song says 9,986,000 minutes working at Dunder Mifflin. 9.986m minutes / 60 minutes = 166,433 hours 166,433 hours / 40 hours = 4,161 work weeks 4,161 work weeks / 52 weeks a year = 80 years Michael is immortal!
@@MulverineWhen the song says "worked here" it's not saying literally time spent at dunder mifflin, its talking about the years he's been there aka around 17 years
Yeah, in context of the series as a whole, with the Super Bowl thing, it definitely seems like this arc was meant to be a shakeup. Or just something to do while they wait for it to be long enough for Jim and Pam to get married.
Personally I don’t watch this part. I don’t like this part of the show at all. This is to me where the office starts to feel more like a sitcom and more from the foundation that made season 2-3 my all time favorite seasons of Television. It’s good, especially some part of the Michael Scott Paper Company. Plus I don’t like Charles. Like at all. Also ALSO I don’t like Dwights change from being “Michaels best friend” to just Michael being another obstacle in his very long journey to becoming Regional Manager. This is where The Office starts to drop for me it was prevalent from Season 5 so on but now it’s really becoming something less from what it was
Wanting to become the Regional Manager is what's driven Dwight since day 1, basically. He wasn't actually aiming to become this close to Michael by any chance, and definitely not in the beggining. What really happened to Dwight in the later seasons is that he became less of a suck-up. And it gives him more complexity in his character imo. Creating a limit as opposed to following his boss no matter what. Dwight just being a sidekick to a beloved character would have casted a huge shadow on him in the end, and at some point a lot of people would have just stopped caring about him, probably. Imo his clear obsession to reaching the top of the Scranton branch was worth exploring as it has been.
I have a different read on what goes on in Michael's head during the 13:22 pause, if I may.
To me, David doesn't understand that what Michael wants above all is to be shown respect. I think that's what he means when he says 'I think I deserve more', he deserves more than being forced to hop in his car and drive all the way to NY to get to talk with Wallace.
David thinks Michael just wants his birthday party since that's what sparked the issue in the first place, he thinks he can treat Micheal like a kid and appease him by giving him his party, while at the same keeping the status quo with Charles. He doesn't get that Michael at this point wasn't about having his party, he was about being shown respect and not being chaperoned by Charles.
When Michael realises that David is intent on treating him like a kid by not budging on the Charles issue and thinking he can appease him by giving him a party like you would a kid, he feels he's not getting the respect he deserves at Dundler Mifflin anymore after 15 years of service and decides to quit.
This is the straw that breaks the camel back, when you take into account that Michael was already pissed at David for sending Holly back to Nashua, which was a really sucky sucky thing to do.
Love it!
This Is the correct reading, I'd say.
I agree. The realization hits him hard and that’s why you can see the wheels turning 100 mph.
Perfection
I love the commitment to calling Idris Elba every role he’s every done😂
not every role - I didn't see a reference to Luther.
@@mooncrowsongI was waiting for the Luther mention but nah :(
It always puzzled me how Jim didn't know how to answer Charles about his position. He really was #2; he was just nervous.
Right? He does the same thing with Michael in Two Weeks, and he does the same thing when Charles asks why he didn't stop the soccer ball.
@@Mulverine I think one of the producers has said it was just a script oversight they couldn't defend.
It always puzzled me why Jim didn't just remove the bow tie, and maybe also the jacket.
Then it was just a blouse or (cotton/flanel) shirt, instead of a tuxedo.
@@trueblade3636I don’t think blouse is the right word lol
@@MrEvanNoyes yeah lol. I didn't know the correct word in English. In Dutch, it is 'overhemd'
Finally, the beginning of what I consider to be the best arc in the entire Office. Keep up the great work, this series got me to go back and watch some of my favorite episodes of the Office.
I would say its not the best arc of the series, but I agree that this arc is very enjoyable! I very much liked the Michael Scott paper company arc, wished it went on a little longer than it did, ended too soon!
Charles saying "if you do not like it, I think there are still some C-shaped bagels in the conference room" was our first glimpse of the man who would later rip off his glasses and charge towards a terminated Michael Scott.
9,986,000 minutes is literally nearly 19 years, which makes sense. So that's how long Michael would have been a Dunder Mifflin employee.
BUT if you only count 8 hour days, five day weeks, 50 weeks a year..... Yeah, that's 83 years of work hours 😂
Its a bold story arc because Elba's character is doing what Wallace knows what needs to be done: be the adult in the room at Scranton. He's there to do Michaels job and clean the place up. Which indirectly leads to Jim also having to deal with an adult manager. And no amount of smooth talking or Halpert charm is gonna work. So it was interesting to see Jim so off his game.
Last, as others pointed out all Michael ever wanted was to be shown some respect. Too often corporate forgets to throw its an employee's a bone.
Two way petting zoo 🤣🤣🤣 one of my favorite lines/bits in any show ever
I like to think that question and Jim's response were both improvised.
Kelly was gonna get Charles to buy her a prime rib
“I think he left”
like everyone else in the comments, i also adore this arc. i love seeing ryan again, I love seeing Pam being goofy, and I love Idris Elba even if charles is a lil strict
I always wondered how Charles felt that Jim Could've had his Job back in the end of Season 3
If you want info on the fakey window trick, the Office Ladies really go into that in the podcast for the Duel! Love your review!
I love this episode because it’s an episode where Jim gets comeuppance.
It feels really satisfying every time it happens
The two way petting zoo is one of my best lines. It cracks me up like a cold one everytime. Lobe it
This is one of my favorite episodes . I love when someone from the ‘real world’ first discovers the insanity of the office . One deleted scene from Charles where he says (referring to Jim) “in management school we are taught to identify waste, it’s rare that waste so readily identifies itself ..” . Great line !
This episode (& arc) is a masterclass in "Mistakes in Management".
Michael sees Wallace as his friend. He also realizes that he's put DM's interests above his own several times. Since Wallace is so hands off, doesn't seemingly bother to really get to know the guy who is directly reporting to him & only thinks in terms of business, he can't pick up on this and misunderstands why he's so upset.
Michael thinks Charles is moving in on his territory when he is just trying to do the actual job he was hired to do. If he had just let Charles have his day, he would have been gone & Michael could have run his branch, albeit under some actual supervision. Also, if he had owned the Golden Ticket idea regardless of the result, like a manager should, he wouldn't be in this spot.
We will realize later that Charles is AWFUL at identifying the strengths & weaknesses of his employees.
And now I know more about the windows at The Office than I will ever need to know, lmao.
Yes, agree! Especial agree with the second to last part.
I think that hinted this a little bit when Charles says that he from accounting. Because (most) accountants are really precise and just care about effectiveness, precision and numbers.
had no idea the MSPCA was a controversial arc. i love it. like michael's tie loves that awesome blawesome in The Client
Saying they did the math wrong is pulling hairs. Obviously he didn’t work those exact minutes, it simply equates to 19 years which is how long he was with the company. When you work somewhere you don’t say you’ve worked there as much as your hours operating lol
personally the micheal scott paper company arc is my favourite one of all the series
I gotta rant a little. They have always called the boss a regional manager, a regional manager would over see other branches in the region. Like Jan, Ryan, and Charles. Michael would be a branch manager. Always bugged me. Am I wrong?
No I think it’s just regional manager sounds more “striving middle management” in our collective parlance than branch manager. I’m short, it’s funnier. Ba dum dum kind of thing.
You’re thinking of general manager. Regional could just be Scranton or Lackawanna county since the offices are so far apart
Well regional like the region of scranton
You seem to have made a mistake when you worked the math for the 9,986,000 minutes bit. You say that meant Michael would have been around when Robert Dunder founded the company. Wrong! 9,986,000 minutes divided 60 is 166,433 hours, which divided 24 is 6,934 days, which divided 365 is 19 years. Sounds about right.
Criss I just discovered your channel, been binging for 2 days straight, thank you
Really like this episode and the whole MSPC arc. I hadn’t seen The Wire when I first watched this but Idris Elba has such a commanding seriousness about him, it balances perfectly with Steve Carell. Not to mention he plays American so well that his British accent still sounds fake to me. I don’t think Charles is a bad guy. He loosens up an episode later when he encourages an office wide soccer game . His behavior this episode was obviously brought on by the stress of having to deal with a man child. He correctly sized Jim up as a slacker and for how weird Dwight is, he’s still the top salesman so Charles gives him respect. They made his character goofier in the company picnic episode later on but he’s great in these episodes.
One thing I was thinking about today is that we don't get much of Dwight's perspective of this change in management yet. I wonder why they decided to put him in the background.
@@Mulverine You mean in this particular episode? I assume because he wasn't supposed to stick around but then Michael quit at the end and Wallace made Charles interim manager. The focus of this episode was, like you said, on Michael's perceived value to the company. The other episodes in this arc touch upon how Dwight respects Charles and vice versa.
Yep! Just this particular episode; I think even a sentence just to check in with Dwight would be nice. Not that it takes away from the episode itself...just a 'nice to have'.
This arc is actually meaningful to small business people who’ve opened their own business. It’s very informative on those insecurities and struggles
Idk if this is a flaw in the script or my brain (tho i have a guess lol) but:
Michael says to Charles “I’ve been here 15 years; you’ve been here-“ my mind always immediately fills in “15 minutes.” This, to me, seems the perfect means of expressing brevity, while also being verbally effective. IE it just sounds right!! Drives me batspit every time i watch this episode. (Unfortunately the actual line is “a day,” or some such nonsense my brain refuses to recall.)
To Elba’s credit in what a great actor he is, I severely disliked him for awhile after this role, as this was my introduction to him at the time. I think to a lot of people, the issues wasn’t his seriousness, it was the fact that Michael is so childlike and even Toby understands this, which is why he deals with his behavior. Charles threatening him was like an adult threatening to beat up a kid so it brings out a natural protective reflex.
Do you plan on doing parks and recreation after you finish looking at the office?
Oh dear lord
What is more cringe: Jim explaining the tux, or Michael trying to 'get to know Charles'?
I know that I am really late to the party, but I (especially as a non-american) I have a really high opinion of Michael's management. I believe that the office was the best is mostly because of him. The way he treats his employees as a family / friends, and treats them with laughter, fun, parties, aknowledgement (the dundies), etc etc, is such an important part of what makes this branch so succesfull. I honestly believe that without Michael, the people there would not have been such good friends, their mesh would not be as strong, even Jim and Pam would have probably not have gotten together without Michael's influence. In such stresful world we live in, it must have been such a relief and joy to have a workplace where the job pressure was not as much as it is at a normal workplace.
Charles in my opinion is not a good manager. As far as I saw he is not interested in his employees, doesn't take the time to get to know them, doesn't adapt his style to his employees' personalities and expects a large group of people to adapt to his own style (which is a recipe for disaster - i would say most people who studied management would agree).
In his first day on the job he starts to make so many changes it is crazy. And I am sorry but I am 100% with Michael on cancelling his 15th anniversary party on his first day on the job. Just because someone (who's name he learned 5 min ago) told him something about them spending hours planning parties (which may or may not be true) and made his conclusion in 5 min that the branch was designed for Michael's vanity (which is partly true even though I don't agree).
And at the end with Wallace, people below me have already echoed what I think as well. That Wallace triviallised Michael's concerns, and put a band aid on a bullet hole.
I would like to announce that I have nothing to comment and I find that outrageous
i assumed the joke with *"Bailer? I hardly know her!"* is that "bailer" sounds like / rhymes with "nail her".
I remember people making basically the same joke back in the day. *"Liquor? I hardly know her!"* since that sounds like "Lick her".
edit: I did some googling, and i guess people will make that joke with any word that ends with, or sounds like it ends with er/her. So, the more you know.
I know several people that HATE Charles. I just see him as the ONLY serious/competent boss Michael has ever had to answer to. He looks mean in this universe, but he's more realistic.
I think the people that hate him are stupid drunk frat boys.
I don't get the Charles hate. His character is supposed to be the no-nonsense foil to Michael. It is so different and enjoyable to watch the reaction of Jim and Michael to a supervisor like this. The show needed an arc with a serious-type character shaking his head at all the antics. So I am glad we have it, and I will always like watching New Boss, even if it's not the absolute funniest of episodes.
This arc is not my favorite but I’m excited to see what you think about it!
I’m curious to hear why it’s not your favorite. More to the point, I believe you dislike it?
It’s my favorite of all.
I love the MSPC arc
I think 4/5 is fair for this episode. It opened and closed strong. In fact, I think Michael and Wallace at the end of the episode had one of the best scenes in the entire series. That pushed this episode from a 3 to a 4.
I love all Michael and Wallace scenes. They’re gold
I didn’t hate Charles, but felt David Wallace brought him on to bring control to the office. Even though the branch was the most successful, there were examples of the branch bringing embarrassment (The Safety episode with Stanley’s heart attack and the Golden Ticket fiasco, for example). Not to mention that the company as a whole was doing badly in terms of finances, so Charles was brought to get rid of waste as well as control the chaos…all the things David couldn’t or wouldn’t do himself being so hands-off…similar to Michael in a way.
It's funny. I just got a new boss like Charles at my work. He came in and changed everything with an iron fist. watching security camera on everyone like it's 1984, Imposes when people can go on lunch and break when he wants you too. Locking people out on breaks
So basically they hired a manager with no training or experience or knowledge on the role.
It always puzzled me why Jim didn't just remove the bow tie, and maybe also the jacket.
Then it was just a blouse or (cotton/flanel) shirt, instead of a tuxedo.
I'm years late to all this, just like I was with The Office, but wanted to say I'm really enjoying your videos. ✌🏻
I actually have very different thoughts on this.
The cold opening is one of my least favorite. I don't find it to be as funny as the usual Jim / Dwight cold openings. Jim isn't playing a smart prank on Dwight, as he usually is, he's just being annoying. And it also strays into that territory of - I understand that Michael is the source of much of the comedy, but he can't actually be so stupid as to think a 15-minte round of applause is a good idea.
Secondly, the animosity between Jim and Charles seems forced. Like some other people have pointed out - Jim could just take off the jacket and bow tie and roll his sleeves. And it's hard for me to imagine that even a relationship that sets off on the wrong foot lioe this couldn't be put right.
I will also admit some bias - the Michael Scott Paper Company arc is not my favorite, so that stsrting may play into my dislike of this episode.
These points, along with the rain outside just give this episode a bleak undertone for me that I don't like.
And regarding the ending - while it's a nice moment for Michael - it just seems weak to shake a man's hand and only then say 'I quit'. As if to suggest he's agreeing to it, where he's not. I think Michael should have said 'I quit' and then shake Wallace's hand, or just not shake it at all.
I think that Charles doesn't have a lot of people skills and social skills and they hinted this a little bit when Charles says that he from accounting. Because (most) accountants are really precise and just care about effectiveness, precision and numbers.
The minutes song works out to just under 19 years
That's if you count every minute of your life, it's roughly 19 years. But the song says 9,986,000 minutes working at Dunder Mifflin.
9.986m minutes / 60 minutes = 166,433 hours
166,433 hours / 40 hours = 4,161 work weeks
4,161 work weeks / 52 weeks a year = 80 years
Michael is immortal!
@@Mulverine are you assuming Andy would think to work that out specificly
That made me lol...loudly in my empty office. You're totally right!
@@Mulverine yeah but when someone asks me how long I've been working here and there I don't pull out my calculator, I say "2 years", counting from the day I signed the contract. It would've been more accurate if they sang "that's how many minutes you've been employed here" because this is what they mean, not working minutes 😁
Your math was incorrect and the shows was correct. 9,986,000 minutes does equal 18ish years not 62
9,986,000 minutes is around 19 years for those wondering
Window continuity is definitely what I’m here for. Thank you
As the field guide is in the final stretch, i went back and started it from the beginning again. Just felt like dropping that here. Onward!
Yep... somehow Charles Miner is more cringy than Michael Scott
All the Elba characters and you missed Chief Bogo from Zootopia, sad.
i don’t know what type of math you did, but 9986000 minutes is only 19 years.
Michael should have just told Charles “Omar comin”
See mulverine you’re wrong. 9,986,000 minutes is actually 18.999 years, which, may be a little off, but not that far off
Copy pasted from other comment:
That's if you count every minute of your life, it's roughly 19 years. But the song says 9,986,000 minutes working at Dunder Mifflin.
9.986m minutes / 60 minutes = 166,433 hours
166,433 hours / 40 hours = 4,161 work weeks
4,161 work weeks / 52 weeks a year = 80 years
Michael is immortal!
@@Mulverine they didn’t specify tho. Them saying “that’s how many minutes that you worked here” is pretty vague. It could mean that that’s how long he’s been in the office working, but it could also mean the general time. For example if you’ve worked at a job for a year, you obviously haven’t been actually working for exactly a year, but since the time you’ve had that job has been a year, you say a year. So both are equally likely, but the math for the latter is closer to the understood truth, so I go with that. Love your videos though
If i'm correct, Kelly wanted Charles to buy her a steak??
specifically prime rib, but yes :)
@@linzzyy yup, I remembered that after I posted my answer lol
Thanks for clarifying 😊
ruclips.net/video/J_lLlsz4YoU/видео.html or 6:48 is the Easter egg
One of those bumper stickers i see on my commute.
You really need to do one video on Space Precinct.
Mount Washington has a peak from which you can see five states. (It's probably the source of the Simpsons Movie joke where you can see the states surrounding Springfield.)
That Andy quote is a deep cut, and well-placed here 🍻
The math is only 19 years.
Haha... I like the call outs to some of Idris Elba’s former roles.
But no mcu reference tho
Scoff! I put Heimdall in there!
@@Mulverine haha I must have miss it at the beginning
Heimdall is a highlight of Asgard.
@@Mulverine Thor averaged him
What the hell is a rundown?
I've watched quite a few of your videos, but this is the 1st with a breakdown of how scenes where shot (that I can remember?) That was very cool to watch! I grew up a few blocks from the building that was the Stamford office's exterior. 🤞 You have similar breakdowns for that location!
9.986,000 minutes is approximately 19 years. That's not THAT off. Just sayin'...
another great field guide. Quick question for you Chris (or anyone.) Do you know why the episodes of The Office on Comedy Central have scenes that i have NEVER seen and seem to be bonus scenes? They air more content than Netflix ever had and even more content that's currently on Peacock, except for the Season 3 extended cut versions they offer. I'm wondering if thats what each episode is like if you purchase the season on dvd maybe?
I think the way it works is that the distribution owner gives the “final cut” of the episodes to the platform (Netflix, CC, DVDs, etc.). Over time things get trimmed or added to. The office had a lot of ‘deleted scenes’, but they’d also do things like ‘web exclusives’ (not to be confused with the webisodes) which would include content that was only available on the NBC site. So I think since the Netflix cut is the most consumed cut in history, it’s what I think a lot of us consider ‘canon’, so it’s weird when we see other scenes injected in. The most jarring for me so far was that episode with the microwave debate.
@@Mulverine That makes alot of sense, thank you. I think I've seen all of the scenes out there at some point but it still throws me when they put something extra in it. I watched Goodbye Michael on CC the other night and there were a couple added scenes that weren't entirely new to me but definitely not in the "easily available" episodes to us now. And yes, the microwave debate! It took me a while to find it after your field guide of that episode when I wanted to re-watch it on my own. Even if you google it and search for some scenes, they can be hard to dig up. I guess it keeps things fresh! :)
Did all those figs go to waste?
Asking the hard-hitting questions!
12:12 - (Michael Scott meme) thank you! Lol
I'm an accounting manager myself, and I never understood why the CFO, especially of a publicly traded company, was so involved in things like operations and personel management.
I’ve been painting all of the rooms in my house and have spent the last two months listening/watching your videos while I work. they are so comforting and I’m so grateful for them 💓 I really love the in depth breakdown you do in every video about the plot, characters, etc. I just wanted to say thank you!
This is the first time we see Jim take an authority figure seriously. So Jim is capable of caring about his job! He genuinely cares what Charles Miner think about him. For me, this is how a real boss-employee relationship should be and yet I am not sure what the commentary is on this relationship. The truth is no one respects Michael and he doesn't know why. That is what the entire conversation with Wallace is about.
According to a Reddit video, there was a person getting a Make-A-Wish tour of the studio during this production. The recipient (not sure if male or female) said John and Jenna were not cool but Steve and Ed were. Steve put the recipient in a scene in the episode but I'm not sure in what part.
To this day I’m still not quite sure what a rundown is. I assume a client rundown, but what does that mean? A list of clients, a summary of sales to clients, a narrative description of clients? It bothers me still.
Jim could have always said he had an important event to go to after work, hence the fancy suit.
"That macklmore video"- I'll have you know that's dance-off, and he sings the chorus. It's an amazing song
Prime rib is what Kelley said
I love the arc that this episode kicked off
What did you get in math bro? 9,986,000 minutes is around 17 years... the team and production cast wrote the song saying they did the math, meaning Michael was there for 17 years 👍🏻
To be fair, I did really poor in school....Sorry Mrs. Brown. Copy pasted from other comment:
If you count every minute of your life, it's roughly 19 years. But the song says 9,986,000 minutes working at Dunder Mifflin.
9.986m minutes / 60 minutes = 166,433 hours
166,433 hours / 40 hours = 4,161 work weeks
4,161 work weeks / 52 weeks a year = 80 years
Michael is immortal!
@@MulverineWhen the song says "worked here" it's not saying literally time spent at dunder mifflin, its talking about the years he's been there aka around 17 years
Right! I get it. Its poetry set to music, so not to be taken literally. I'll address this in the season recap's corrections and omissions segment!
@@9510christian yes exactly. You would say ‘I’ve worked here for 2 years’ when in reality it’s probably about 180 days or whatever haha
I kept waiting for you to reference Idris Elba as Luther - major iconic role of his. British crime drama at its best.
ugh this starts one of my least favorite plot lines
I'm shocked, I love it. Its cool tho
i agree, not a fan of this arc at all
Prime rib
Yeah, in context of the series as a whole, with the Super Bowl thing, it definitely seems like this arc was meant to be a shakeup. Or just something to do while they wait for it to be long enough for Jim and Pam to get married.
Nice pineapple shirt!!!!
I thought some folks might like that!
You know it!!!
I was wondering where u were I just realized that my notis weren’t working so I didn’t see u uploaded
Is that How I met your Mother T-shirt? hmmm
Emoji sequence: 😴📃📰📉🏃♀️🏃♂️
I can’t believe he said that was the first time rain was used. It wasn’t
“Minor? I barely know her!” I giggle every time.
6:49 something there in the left corner
9986000 minutes is only 19 years
Could've gone with James Bond
Best plot line period.
Pls don’t try to change my mind lol
10:14 Daniel I told you this --- Jin
Wait, the dundies song kinda checks out tho
Kelly wanted Charles to get her a steak dinner.
2:48 ?? The math lines up fine
Personally I don’t watch this part. I don’t like this part of the show at all. This is to me where the office starts to feel more like a sitcom and more from the foundation that made season 2-3 my all time favorite seasons of Television. It’s good, especially some part of the Michael Scott Paper Company. Plus I don’t like Charles. Like at all. Also ALSO I don’t like Dwights change from being “Michaels best friend” to just Michael being another obstacle in his very long journey to becoming Regional Manager. This is where The Office starts to drop for me it was prevalent from Season 5 so on but now it’s really becoming something less from what it was
Wanting to become the Regional Manager is what's driven Dwight since day 1, basically. He wasn't actually aiming to become this close to Michael by any chance, and definitely not in the beggining. What really happened to Dwight in the later seasons is that he became less of a suck-up.
And it gives him more complexity in his character imo. Creating a limit as opposed to following his boss no matter what. Dwight just being a sidekick to a beloved character would have casted a huge shadow on him in the end, and at some point a lot of people would have just stopped caring about him, probably.
Imo his clear obsession to reaching the top of the Scranton branch was worth exploring as it has been.
Is Inspector Spacetime supposed to be Space Precinct?!?!
Lol! I think Inspector Spacetime is Doctor Who parody. Honestly, if I could play more clips, I would have played all of them. I was floored.
10:15 made me crack up
Prime rib I think
6:49-6:50
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So ur still doing these and the season 1 episodes right?
Correct!
@@Mulverine thanks love ur channel