a fun thing to do would be to actually create a player like that on nba 2k25 and do 1v1 to see who plays best and u guys react to it on stream. same for team drafts would be a cool add-on
I don’t blame Bi for not resigning with the pelicans bc he been carrying that team more than Zion but zion get back they push him to side like he a role player
MVP should mean and only mean “If this player was removed from the roster, how much worse does the team get.” And the team that would be the worst without their star player, that guy is MVP
I hate that criteria bc it’s such a slap in the face to reward mediocrity simply because removing them would make them ass. I feel like being a higher seed needs to be accounted for, otherwise ur rewarding stats and the mvp reward as a whole becomes totally uninteresting without the balance of seed and stats. It’s also so catered for jokic, this Bradley Beal averaged 31ppg or something like that when curry won the scoring title, the wizards were like a 7 seed, nobody was giving him any real mvp love just bc he was having a career year. Also, once the team gets better again if the front office doesn’t sell, he’ll be back in the race race, it’s ok to reward other people who are also deserving, and viewing former mvps at a higher standard, especially already having a 6th seed mvp already
@@Frank-nz1wr”it’s catered to Jokic” because his team without him is half low tier nba players and half g league and so he’s…really really valuable? The most valuable some might say.
@@Irrelevant66 for the stats part I’m saying, it’s easier to put up BIG numbers on a BAD team, since good teams end up having other players contributing. Also I’m tired of this “g league team” bs, maybe run plays through other players sometimes instead of being the whole offensive system so they can get experience playing and playmaking individually, look at Memphis, jay huff was on the nuggets last year too, why is he suddenly productive elsewhere?? Murray Gordon mpj Braun strawther Watson are all very solid players, it’s like the LeBron affect where it’s everyone else’s fault. I stand by the point of not rewarding mediocrity, it’s been like that historically, why move the goalpost? He’s already got one of those mvps where he was a low seed, just like LeBron in the 2010’s, best player doesn’t always win, Kobe has 1 mvp, it ain’t criminal to reward other players deserving of it. If the nuggets were a top 2-3 seed and jokic was putting up 32 14 11 on his efficiency, hand it to him, that’s a unanimous mvp if I’ve ever seen one, but those numbers on a seed 8-5 are not gonna push him over the edge
@ That’s the fuckin issue is you change your own criteria for every point. They’re not useless stats or just numbers, those stats are what it takes to win games. The other players don’t get ran through because they can’t run it so they’d be an even LOWER seeded team. They would lose those games if they were centered. Those are solid players, not even one of them is a playmaker. None of them have the desire or ability to create a shot except Murray who doesn’t anymore (the past 30ish games) If you’re tired of the g league thing imagine how tired nuggets fans like me are man. Huff was always showing signs of what he is on the grizzlies and Malone didn’t want to risk games on him because Malone is kind of a joke as a coach and famously stubborn. He doesn’t like the guys he’s getting and so he’s turned in to Thibodeau. Again that’s why Jok is so valuable because even the coach is kinda just average, look at the schemes he’s running with or without Jok. They get exploited. The clippers made him look stupid back to back and he changed nothing. Jokic is phenomenal not mediocre so you’re not rewarding mediocrity you’re being forced to acknowledge value.
*SPOILER FOR DRAFT* Did Mo really say he prefers Duncan's defense over Hakeem's? Duncan was good but Hakeem had roughly the same rim defense and was a better pickpocket.
Dude I went to a school in the same district as Williams we were both state contenders met in playoffs and she MURDERED them with a 36 point triple double
My thoughts exactly It was almost funny how they all agreed Jimmy would be great for the Warrios alongside Steph, Dray and Wiggins as if they'd even still have a team if they tried to get him without using either Draymond or Wiggins' salaries... but as soon as they mentioned the Lakers Isaac was talking about how they'd have to give up too many players I get it it's tough to know everything about every team and I definitely don't but I'm also not making podcasts about it😅
Lol yall are saying win games to Giannis and Luka but when big Tubster is the 12th seed yall wanna slobber him so much and gice him the MVP. Jokic aint gonna smash, you guys, give it a break.
Tbh the seeding argument is valid it’s just not like a sole definer. If the 15th seed guy somehow averaged 100pg shit I’d vote for him (extreme example but just showing the idea)
I'm tired of people pretending that getting Russell Westbrook wasn't LeBron's idea and now everyone but him is getting criticized for it. Rob Pelinka got Westbrook because LeBron wanted it, just like the Lakers drafted Bronny because LeBron wanted it, and just like every off-season GM move he makes that makes you scratch your head. Because LeBron wanted it LeBron is ruining your team with his LeGM nonsense and everyone is going out of their way to not call him out on it. He pulls this shit on every team he's on
NBA fans will constantly shit on our stars then when we say something it’s “oh mavs fans have a victim complex” you just don’t want to admit you were wrong or have a bias. Jokic is putting up insane stats yes. Unprecedented. So did Luka and that didn’t matter. Jokic wasn’t really “close” with him last year. He simply played with the starting line up so much that his advanced stats were inflated. That doesn’t mean he’s not a great player. So no jokic isn’t having different completion than Luka did.
Yeah that advanced stats and Jokic not being close with Luka line is borrowed, you’re looking HARD for reasons to whine and being dead wrong in the process. Jokic was drastically better than Luka based on quality of team, Luka had the better team and was severely less efficient. You just gonna say that’s not true based on fuckin nothing except more points for Luka who averaged 22 shots a night in 37 minutes a game last year. Jokic is averaging that many points this year on a less shot with 11% better from the field and 16% better from three with four more rebounds and two more assists. So if you wanted Luka to win last year and don’t think Jok should right now you’re just dishonest.
Luka will never win MVP. Even when he put up every stat at a competitive level and took his team the farthest in playoffs, it will always be something, out of shape, no defense. Always had the worst seed, always proved himself against stronger teams but eyy, he just isn't the stereotype you all want. Didn't expect these guys to hate so hard too, but sure, man, just give it to SGA, I know that's what y'all want. The Thunder is clearly performing better. If it goes to Jokic, all sense goes out the window. Luka should retire bro. He won't ever get the fan's love or the critics and he prolly has enough money.
Isaac the only person I know that calls it V.O.D. instead of just sayin vod as a word lmao
He's the kinda person to say Gif as (Jif) rather than (Gif) 😂
Last week I went to a court near DC and I saw Mo. I asked him to sign my ball and he said he would do it for 20 dollars. Never meet ur heroes
Sounds fake lol
fake af
He doesn't owe you anything 🤡
I think this was a joke gang
its true i was there
New to basketball and the scene. Love learning from y'all!!
1:05:23 Memphis Jookin and Duke deuce mentioned 😂? Don is a man of culture
a fun thing to do would be to actually create a player like that on nba 2k25 and do 1v1 to see who plays best and u guys react to it on stream. same for team drafts would be a cool add-on
I don’t blame Bi for not resigning with the pelicans bc he been carrying that team more than Zion but zion get back they push him to side like he a role player
no more bouncing
whatever that means
-things to never tell your girl
I'm seeing all these 'bouncing' comments before watching the pod, and I cannot wait to find out why
MVP should always be on a top 4 seed
MVP should mean and only mean “If this player was removed from the roster, how much worse does the team get.” And the team that would be the worst without their star player, that guy is MVP
I hate that criteria bc it’s such a slap in the face to reward mediocrity simply because removing them would make them ass. I feel like being a higher seed needs to be accounted for, otherwise ur rewarding stats and the mvp reward as a whole becomes totally uninteresting without the balance of seed and stats. It’s also so catered for jokic, this Bradley Beal averaged 31ppg or something like that when curry won the scoring title, the wizards were like a 7 seed, nobody was giving him any real mvp love just bc he was having a career year. Also, once the team gets better again if the front office doesn’t sell, he’ll be back in the race race, it’s ok to reward other people who are also deserving, and viewing former mvps at a higher standard, especially already having a 6th seed mvp already
@@Frank-nz1wr”it’s catered to Jokic” because his team without him is half low tier nba players and half g league and so he’s…really really valuable? The most valuable some might say.
@@Frank-nz1wrif you think it’s the same as rewarding just stats you literally don’t understand the shit. That’s that man
@@Irrelevant66 for the stats part I’m saying, it’s easier to put up BIG numbers on a BAD team, since good teams end up having other players contributing. Also I’m tired of this “g league team” bs, maybe run plays through other players sometimes instead of being the whole offensive system so they can get experience playing and playmaking individually, look at Memphis, jay huff was on the nuggets last year too, why is he suddenly productive elsewhere?? Murray Gordon mpj Braun strawther Watson are all very solid players, it’s like the LeBron affect where it’s everyone else’s fault. I stand by the point of not rewarding mediocrity, it’s been like that historically, why move the goalpost? He’s already got one of those mvps where he was a low seed, just like LeBron in the 2010’s, best player doesn’t always win, Kobe has 1 mvp, it ain’t criminal to reward other players deserving of it. If the nuggets were a top 2-3 seed and jokic was putting up 32 14 11 on his efficiency, hand it to him, that’s a unanimous mvp if I’ve ever seen one, but those numbers on a seed 8-5 are not gonna push him over the edge
@ That’s the fuckin issue is you change your own criteria for every point. They’re not useless stats or just numbers, those stats are what it takes to win games. The other players don’t get ran through because they can’t run it so they’d be an even LOWER seeded team. They would lose those games if they were centered. Those are solid players, not even one of them is a playmaker. None of them have the desire or ability to create a shot except Murray who doesn’t anymore (the past 30ish games) If you’re tired of the g league thing imagine how tired nuggets fans like me are man. Huff was always showing signs of what he is on the grizzlies and Malone didn’t want to risk games on him because Malone is kind of a joke as a coach and famously stubborn. He doesn’t like the guys he’s getting and so he’s turned in to Thibodeau. Again that’s why Jok is so valuable because even the coach is kinda just average, look at the schemes he’s running with or without Jok. They get exploited. The clippers made him look stupid back to back and he changed nothing. Jokic is phenomenal not mediocre so you’re not rewarding mediocrity you’re being forced to acknowledge value.
For drafts/tiktok time, it'd be great if y'all broke up defensive skills the way you break up offense. Like maybe mobility, hands, etc.
Mo and Isaac COOKED this draft
*SPOILER FOR DRAFT*
Did Mo really say he prefers Duncan's defense over Hakeem's? Duncan was good but Hakeem had roughly the same rim defense and was a better pickpocket.
That’s y they the goats the goats 💯💯💯
8:00 Before the pacers got pascal, i thought indy should've traded for ingram
when we gonna get the first in person deep 3 livestream
👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
The Rockets are a first round exit in the playoffs Guaranteed 👌. That’s their ceiling
Dude I went to a school in the same district as Williams we were both state contenders met in playoffs and she MURDERED them with a 36 point triple double
Embiid literally tore his meniscus last year lmfao
I WANNA BOUNCE THO 😭
Gilbert Arenas hasn't had a good take since he retired
Y’all need to look up salaries before you conjecture about trades based solely on skillset and vibes
My thoughts exactly
It was almost funny how they all agreed Jimmy would be great for the Warrios alongside Steph, Dray and Wiggins as if they'd even still have a team if they tried to get him without using either Draymond or Wiggins' salaries... but as soon as they mentioned the Lakers Isaac was talking about how they'd have to give up too many players
I get it it's tough to know everything about every team and I definitely don't but I'm also not making podcasts about it😅
Zach in the thumbnail and you don't even mention him. Stop doing my mans dirty like this!
Came in right on time for TikTok time 1:16:47
1:44 damn bar
Lowkeyy
Stopped mid stroke for this one
Isaac looks like Plato
Lol yall are saying win games to Giannis and Luka but when big Tubster is the 12th seed yall wanna slobber him so much and gice him the MVP. Jokic aint gonna smash, you guys, give it a break.
Bro is dropping 40 50 bomb triple doubles
1:02:20
FREE MY MAN JONAS!!!!!!! LET HIM PLAY MORE THAN FIVE MILES WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER!!!!! PLEASE!
So sad for my magic
THE WARRIORS ARE BACK
Tbh the seeding argument is valid it’s just not like a sole definer. If the 15th seed guy somehow averaged 100pg shit I’d vote for him (extreme example but just showing the idea)
I'm tired of people pretending that getting Russell Westbrook wasn't LeBron's idea and now everyone but him is getting criticized for it. Rob Pelinka got Westbrook because LeBron wanted it, just like the Lakers drafted Bronny because LeBron wanted it, and just like every off-season GM move he makes that makes you scratch your head. Because LeBron wanted it
LeBron is ruining your team with his LeGM nonsense and everyone is going out of their way to not call him out on it. He pulls this shit on every team he's on
This guys will never blame LeBron. These guys simp for LeBron and Jokic and think those guys are perfect.
@@Luka-st4ufWestbrook on the Nuggets is a much better fit than he is on the Lakers tho.
NO MORE BOUNCING
No more bouncing
Noooo more bouncing omg
I love yall
Nah someone please tell me. I don’t got time to watch the pod I’m sorry
NBA fans will constantly shit on our stars then when we say something it’s “oh mavs fans have a victim complex” you just don’t want to admit you were wrong or have a bias. Jokic is putting up insane stats yes. Unprecedented. So did Luka and that didn’t matter. Jokic wasn’t really “close” with him last year. He simply played with the starting line up so much that his advanced stats were inflated. That doesn’t mean he’s not a great player. So no jokic isn’t having different completion than Luka did.
Giannis is also averaging an insane stat line on amazing efficiency and unlike jokic isn’t on a losing team and hasn’t been awful on defense
Giannis is also averaging an insane stat line on amazing efficiency and unlike jokic isn’t on a losing team and hasn’t been awful on defense
Bullshit ass narrative again.
Yeah that advanced stats and Jokic not being close with Luka line is borrowed, you’re looking HARD for reasons to whine and being dead wrong in the process. Jokic was drastically better than Luka based on quality of team, Luka had the better team and was severely less efficient. You just gonna say that’s not true based on fuckin nothing except more points for Luka who averaged 22 shots a night in 37 minutes a game last year. Jokic is averaging that many points this year on a less shot with 11% better from the field and 16% better from three with four more rebounds and two more assists. So if you wanted Luka to win last year and don’t think Jok should right now you’re just dishonest.
I would take jokic over Luka 10 out of 10 times. Lukas great. Top 5 in the league. Not close to jokic.
Late!
Luka will never win MVP. Even when he put up every stat at a competitive level and took his team the farthest in playoffs, it will always be something, out of shape, no defense. Always had the worst seed, always proved himself against stronger teams but eyy, he just isn't the stereotype you all want. Didn't expect these guys to hate so hard too, but sure, man, just give it to SGA, I know that's what y'all want. The Thunder is clearly performing better. If it goes to Jokic, all sense goes out the window. Luka should retire bro. He won't ever get the fan's love or the critics and he prolly has enough money.
Yeah luka is gonna be this generations dwayne wade
You guys ride Jokic sooo much omg. Disliked...
no more bouncing
No more bouncing