How & When To Change A Chain On Your Road Bike

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  • Опубликовано: 15 дек 2024

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  • @gcntech
    @gcntech  6 лет назад +11

    When did you last change your chain? 👇

    • @ARKINHK
      @ARKINHK 6 лет назад +8

      2 weeks ago :). And I got a gold KMC... Bling!

    • @zakswan4644
      @zakswan4644 6 лет назад +1

      Don’t know 🤷🏼‍♂️

    • @ooldmka
      @ooldmka 6 лет назад +1

      It's being changed right about this week..

    • @Drzhounder
      @Drzhounder 6 лет назад +2

      Last week, along with my new cassette! I am as persnickety as Jon about keeping my bike and drivetrain clean. I also change the chain on a regular basis. I measure the chain about every two weeks and when its worn, its changed. This is why I am just went to my third cassette in 27,000 miles (43,500km)!

    • @briancalvery5704
      @briancalvery5704 6 лет назад

      I'm at over 2000 miles on my original chain. It measures just over .5 on the chain gauge right now. Thanks to GCN for teaching me the importance of cleaning... On my previous bike (pre GCN) I was getting 500-700 miles per chain!

  • @ryanotte6737
    @ryanotte6737 5 лет назад +13

    If somebody hasn't mentioned it already, it can be helpful to install the special connecting pin pointing towards the outside of the bike rather than towards the bike's center. After breaking off the pointy bit from the connecting pin, there always seems to be a little bit more protruding than the other side, which might rub against the a neighboring sprocket as the chain enters/exits the rear cassette.
    Not a big deal, and might be fixed when fine-tuning the pin depth anyway, but is recommended by Park Tool literature.

  • @Ru-wy2cb
    @Ru-wy2cb 6 лет назад +2

    FINALLY!!! Thanks GCN tech for explaining it to us perfectly

  • @ryanmclean4895
    @ryanmclean4895 6 лет назад +10

    Worth mentioning that when you are comparing a new chain with an old chain to measure the length, be sure to account for wear. You may need to realign the chain links to ensure your not adding a link or two to the length,

  • @justinmbr5619
    @justinmbr5619 6 лет назад +36

    Never thought of taking the pressure off the chain to join it before. Bleedin' obvious in hindsight

    • @phillentz6742
      @phillentz6742 6 лет назад +2

      Same here. Felt really stupid after he said that.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  6 лет назад +3

      That's what Jon is here for

    • @MCPicoli
      @MCPicoli 6 лет назад

      Many pocket tool sets have a thick wire tucked in, curved in the form of a tall "C" letter. Attach one end one roller or two from the break, the other end one or two rollers from the other end and now you've got a nice, easy point to work on breaking/joining the chain.

    • @justinmbr5619
      @justinmbr5619 6 лет назад

      Ja ja, but John's solution is much better. Plus I can now save some weight on the bike by ditching that punishingly heavy chain holder

    • @penguinboy2010
      @penguinboy2010 6 лет назад

      Same here I have always struggled doh

  • @Rogue-xf5jg
    @Rogue-xf5jg 6 лет назад +3

    Always good to watch John, I took the time once to detail the setup of my bikes including all toque settings and what grease where, including how many links in the chain. Couple that with it being a KMC chain with a master link, I have a quick go to guide a drop of a hat.

  • @TarmanTheChampion
    @TarmanTheChampion 4 года назад +3

    Can you use a chain from a chain saw?

  • @lason999
    @lason999 6 лет назад +11

    One thing that wasn't covered is the direction of the chain. As far as I know, Shimano chains should be put on with inscriptions on the outside. Sram chains are bi-directional, but the masterlink is not. There is an arrow on the masterlink showing how to install it. As for the other manufacturers, I have no idea :P

  • @darrellgoodwin
    @darrellgoodwin 6 лет назад +1

    I prefer the Big-Big-Plus-1-inch method for chain length. No guesswork involved and it always comes out right.

  • @SignorLuigi
    @SignorLuigi 6 лет назад +19

    Thank you. Some gentle and hopefully helpful feedback...better lighting on the close-ups (and more close-ups) would have helped.

    • @BodhiGeraci
      @BodhiGeraci 6 лет назад +2

      Piggybacking on this comment; make sure all shots are in focus. (8:09 focus is on middlefinger)

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  6 лет назад +1

      Cheers Mr. Luigi, thanks for your feedback we will bear that in mind for next time

  • @waynosfotos
    @waynosfotos 6 лет назад

    Why didn’t you show the bent bit of coat hanger method for holding the chain while you fit the link?

  • @simonashwell8909
    @simonashwell8909 Год назад

    i just replaced my cassette. should you replace the chain at the same time?

  • @MartianTom
    @MartianTom Год назад

    Good, clear, succinct vid - as usual. Obviously, when using a curve-shaped quick link, make sure the 'curve' of it matches the curvature of the sprockets.

  • @mtfoelix
    @mtfoelix 6 лет назад +2

    Actually I think the best method to find the best chain length is small-small so that you have the longest possible chain. Firstly you still can remove links later any time. And secondly you still have enough tolerance for larger cassettes as I always tend to use when I go to the mountains.

    • @waynosfotos
      @waynosfotos 6 лет назад +1

      se7enTse7en The difference the OP is talking about, is the limiting factor of the derailleur to take the tension. Therefore when the derailleur is fully closed up, it is at its maximum chain length as no spring action is left. Therefore you ensure the maximum chain length, whilst going big big you don’t as it is related to the cogs not the derailleur. You could check both to see if it will work in all combinations, especially if fitting a bigger cassette.

    • @mtfoelix
      @mtfoelix 6 лет назад

      if you use big-big you can evaluate what is the shortest possible chain. that is, when the rd is nearly fully pulled forwards. that is the chain length which is just long enough to fit around both large chain rings/sprockets. while this is the best option in terms of drive train efficiency, I reckon, you lose the option to fit a larger cassette. e.g. when your biggest sprocket is 25t normally and you want to fit a 30t you need a new chain.

  • @ballerman3430
    @ballerman3430 4 года назад +1

    Make sure to put the connecting Pin from the inside out. So when you break of the pointy end the broken of Part doesnt rub against the cassette.

  • @bondy284
    @bondy284 6 лет назад +1

    Really enjoy GCN Tech videos👍🇦🇺

  • @leespencer9788
    @leespencer9788 6 лет назад +2

    There is an equation for chain length that takes into accout chainring latgest sprocket and chanstay length.

  • @Yoitsseb
    @Yoitsseb 4 года назад

    Wait so do I have to set my derailers to the biggest rings on both the front and back? So wouldn't I be itentionally cross chaining to put my new chain on?

  • @alistairmacrae4870
    @alistairmacrae4870 4 года назад

    Chain Tool. Best to heck out the retail price of this gadget, after all how many times RU going to use this in a year. My local repair shop allowed me to borrow & do the necessary. Great tutorial.

  • @richardmoody5482
    @richardmoody5482 6 лет назад +7

    I buy SRAM chains for the masterlink over the shimano pin. So much easier and can be unfastened never had a problem.

    • @lenahygiena
      @lenahygiena 6 лет назад +1

      madcyclist mad not to mention this super weird Shimano "masterlinks" on Hyperglide.

    • @gulfcitynd
      @gulfcitynd 6 лет назад

      Me too

    • @AndrewTSq
      @AndrewTSq 6 лет назад

      I saw that Shimano has masterlinks aswell now. Have not tried them yet.

  • @erichaskell
    @erichaskell 6 лет назад +11

    You talk about one chain checker, in hand, then show another in use. A bit confusing. Secondly if you hang a badly used chain and compare it to a new chain, the links will not match towards the end, although you do say to match the links. I lay both on a bench and insure the number of links match, thus avoiding the gravity issue. I like the idea of removing the chain from the chain ring, much easier, never thought of that and have always had a bit of struggle. Thank you.

  • @phillippitts6294
    @phillippitts6294 6 лет назад +2

    Always enjoy the videos.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  6 лет назад

      Cheers Phillip

  •  6 лет назад +2

    Nice trip!

  • @andrewbackhouse5828
    @andrewbackhouse5828 6 лет назад +2

    An oily thumbs up! It is much better having master links or special pins than the old methods of my youth. I gather Shimano are switching to supplying master links now also. Other than a new chain jumping on it, are there other ways to tell if your cassette is past it? Typically how many times do you expect to change a chain before a cassette needs it too?

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  6 лет назад

      👍

    • @lenahygiena
      @lenahygiena 6 лет назад

      You have to look at the teeth of the cassette. Compare them to a new one, they should be sort of rounded. If they look like shark teeth instead, the cassette is worn.

  • @jamesskinner1902
    @jamesskinner1902 6 лет назад +2

    Actually better way to get chain length is to do it with chain on small chain ring on front and smallest on rear. Then you should ensure there is the minimum tension.

  • @markevison7427
    @markevison7427 6 лет назад +1

    Hi Jon.. Just wondering.. Do you ever use speedplay pedals? Maybe I noticed new presenter Chris using them.. Any benefits beyond weight saving and dual sides? #askgcntech thank you

  • @k3lee
    @k3lee 6 лет назад +1

    What do you do with the grease that new chains are packed in? Degrease it while the chain is brand new or leave it on until the grease wears off?

    • @LegSpinna
      @LegSpinna 6 лет назад

      K Lee I always leave the original lube on for as long as possible. It's a shame the 'new chain' lube isn't available in a bottle.

    • @lenahygiena
      @lenahygiena 6 лет назад

      CnE startup idea: chain lube that is called "That new chain lube" ))) Would be like candles with "that childhood scent" from 21 pilots "Stressed out" song

    • @JonCannings
      @JonCannings 6 лет назад +1

      K Lee leave it on

  • @davidamora2565
    @davidamora2565 4 года назад

    How often should I change my chain?

  • @obtugtxivtub
    @obtugtxivtub 4 года назад

    One of my bike chain if I get the correct length (108 links) on the lowest gear and big chain ring, will sag when it is in the highest gear and the small chainring. It sags enough to lay on the front derailleur. I remove one link and now it is stretching bad when in the lowest gear and large chainring.

    • @GNX157
      @GNX157 4 года назад

      What groupset do you have? Are all the parts original as when new? Has the rear derailleur or cassette been replaced? Do you have the original chain? Was it pinned together? On your replacement chain are you also pinning it or using a master link? If you’re running a replacement cassette with bigger diameter cogs and still using a short cage derailleur, that will cause an issue because a short cage does not have the capacity to adjust the chain slack for cassettes beyond a certain ratio range.

    • @obtugtxivtub
      @obtugtxivtub 4 года назад

      I found out the problem. I had used the wolf tooth road link and it was the extra length that made everything off. I took it off and now it is s as ok back to normal.

  • @Miersemann
    @Miersemann 6 лет назад +1

    The lenght of the chain is messerd whit the chain on the big ring in the front and the smallest sprocket in the back.
    Then the jockey wheels must be in one line, from up to down, whit each other.

  • @kevinbowe
    @kevinbowe 6 лет назад

    Which are better: Pins or Mater Links?

  • @georgehugh3455
    @georgehugh3455 6 лет назад

    How is "pulling the chain" and looking for daylight any cheaper or more accurate than taking ANY ruler and measuring from center to center over ten links?

    • @JonCannings
      @JonCannings 6 лет назад +3

      George Hugh measuring with a ruler is deadly accurate if done correctly... Not everyone can do it spot on. Cheers. Jon

  • @johnpotter4555
    @johnpotter4555 6 лет назад +1

    Excellent video as always Jon. In my view, the strength of GCN is that it caters for a wide spectrum of riders. Tech videos like this have a broad application.

    • @DougMorley1
      @DougMorley1 6 лет назад

      I would agree with you were it not for the fact that Campagnolo users are rarely included in the advice.

    • @johnpotter4555
      @johnpotter4555 6 лет назад +1

      But Campy users know they are special.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  6 лет назад

      Cheers John, that's the idea

  • @JH-fk8ow
    @JH-fk8ow 6 лет назад +2

    digital vernier calipers, they are cheap, more accurate than chain checkers and obviously you can measure other stuff with it as well

  • @hugobrown2516
    @hugobrown2516 5 лет назад +1

    Park tool says pin should go in the other way , to the outside? Break is on the outside.

  • @craniel2
    @craniel2 4 года назад

    #AskGcnTech I have a question about my bike. I currently have the stock kmc x11el chain, but I want to upgrade to a dura ace chain. The lengths are 118(Kmc) to 116. What should I do to resolve this issue?

  • @BooklessT
    @BooklessT 4 года назад

    I'm replacing my chain as its just getting to the point where "stretch" is detectable. I wish to install using a master link so that it makes future lubrication off the bike possible. Do I need to take a link out to compensate for the master link or will the existing set-up simply take up the extra length?

    • @BooklessT
      @BooklessT 4 года назад

      decided to watch the clip to the end - the answer was there.........

  • @TheWaxChainFanClub
    @TheWaxChainFanClub 6 лет назад

    Thanks Jon. Is the blue thing on the handlebars some kind of stay to stop the wheels from slapping you in the face whilst you're working?

  • @changenoways9555
    @changenoways9555 2 года назад

    My chains got a stiff link that I cant get out with lubing and its proving to be a real pain in the ass

  • @Wildschwein_Jaeger
    @Wildschwein_Jaeger 6 лет назад +1

    Time for a new chain. Great video.

    • @JonCannings
      @JonCannings 6 лет назад

      Wildschwein Jäger thanks. Glad you like it

  • @tinniswood2577
    @tinniswood2577 6 лет назад

    Good vid John, as ever.

  • @charliewhelan9488
    @charliewhelan9488 6 лет назад +1

    Rotating chains means you can use chains for more miles each without rendering the cassette useless. Do 500 miles on chain A, 500 on B and 500 on C. Rinse and repeat. You could be looking at upwards of 10000 miles on one cassette without any trouble

    • @1stclassgamer834
      @1stclassgamer834 6 лет назад +1

      Still can get costly. Cuz those chains aren't that inexpensive. Not sure about the cassette though. 500 miles isn't much riding to be swapping chains. I get from both my particular cassette and chain just over 3000 km's (1800+ miles) then I replace both. Only costs me 120 canadian dollars for both parts (for 3000 km's or 1800 miles of use).

  • @dmitryliashko78
    @dmitryliashko78 6 лет назад

    Do you reccomend to change the cassette every time with the chain or I can use 1 cassette with 2 or 3 chains?

    • @rugbyjc240
      @rugbyjc240 6 лет назад +2

      The cassette will wear far slower than the chain. I’ve had my bike for two years and not changed the cassette yet, and changed the chain three times

    • @basicallyalandershowitz
      @basicallyalandershowitz 6 лет назад +2

      It really depends on how and where you ride. If you live in the upper Midwest of the USA every 4 chains as long as you have a second set for winter. If live in a Coastal environment I'd say every other and maybe even replace the freehub while your at it.

    • @stevegeek
      @stevegeek 6 лет назад

      Golden rule is keep the chain nice and clean, that way the chain and cassette will both last longer. If your cassette is worn when you replace the chain you’ll know it because the chain will run badly and even skip when you apply pressure. That’s speaking from experience!

  • @scottishjohn
    @scottishjohn 6 лет назад

    Chains usually only get changed once totally worn out. The tell tell sign is the teeth wearing... It's funny but GCN never mentions that a brand new chain on a cassette and chain rings which are starting to wear doesn't always mix well.. ( jumpy chain 😡) would be nice to see a video on fixing a chain with a master link or a campy chain. Keep it up!

  • @Goriaas
    @Goriaas 6 лет назад +1

    Chains DO enlongate under heavy wear!
    When I compare old chains I take off with exactly the same model and lay them side to side and say they are 100 links long, the worn chain is around half a link longer give or take!

    • @jarnozondag694
      @jarnozondag694 5 лет назад +2

      Yes. But that's not stretching. It's because the internals get smaller thus giving the pin more room and that's like .5mm per link. The links are all the same length but the chain is longer because the links aren't as close to each other. So it elongates but it's does not stretch

  • @YoussefYaacoub
    @YoussefYaacoub 6 лет назад

    at min 2:20 you say 3 O'clock position but from where I am watching in warsaw I see it's 6 O'clock, time zone difference?? maybe :) thanks for the great video, keep it up!

  • @xGshikamaru
    @xGshikamaru 6 лет назад

    I wish such a video existed when I started cycling and maintaining my bike myself. Because the first time I changed my chain I snapped the chain tool. By the way a good chain tool goes a long way. Avoid $10 chain tools like the plague. They're often made of cast iron and the two posts that go inside the chain will snap.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  6 лет назад

      Now you know xGshikamaru 👍

  • @rafflisharon2956
    @rafflisharon2956 6 лет назад

    Thank you and informative as usual...

  • @assadmoney
    @assadmoney 5 лет назад

    I changed my chain and it started to jerk when riding. Guys at Halfords said it is due to the bike skipping a gear and couldn’t fix the problem. Decided to put my old chain back on 😟😟

    • @GNX157
      @GNX157 4 года назад +1

      AMD Your cassette is worn. If you neglect to replace the chain at the ,5% mark, you’ll likely wear the cassette beyond its capacity to handle a fresh chain and you have the skipping you noticed.

  • @christophams
    @christophams 6 лет назад

    Thanks! This video is so informative

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  6 лет назад

      Great stuff Chris

  • @vicentereyes6028
    @vicentereyes6028 2 года назад

    Good item good price.

  • @robertnvd
    @robertnvd 4 года назад

    Thanks, good stuff

  • @JeremyHansenblue2kid3
    @JeremyHansenblue2kid3 6 лет назад

    This video is one week to late for me watched the older gcn video on changing a chain and it was so fast I spent 3 hrs wresting with the new chain trying to figure out how to link them lol

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  6 лет назад +1

      Haha, oops, you'll know for next time

  • @ARKINHK
    @ARKINHK 6 лет назад +11

    Jon, you should really wear surgical gloves when handling anything with oil. It's not good for you in the long run - and it keeps your hands clean. Get some biodegradable gloves. I use them all the time.

    • @AndrewTSq
      @AndrewTSq 6 лет назад

      Why biodegradable? Do they last longer against chemicals?

    • @ARKINHK
      @ARKINHK 6 лет назад +3

      Not really. Just trying to be environmentally friendly.

  • @jade4805
    @jade4805 6 лет назад +1

    Nice job Jon, thank you. Simply put and very detailed.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  6 лет назад

      Cheers Jade, glad you enjoyed this one

  • @emerictassel9064
    @emerictassel9064 3 года назад

    Awesome

  • @davideldred.campingwilder6481
    @davideldred.campingwilder6481 4 года назад

    ...brilliant.

  • @sergioramos9520
    @sergioramos9520 6 лет назад +2

    Every 10,000 - 15,000 kilometers I change the chain #GCNTECH

  • @peter_castle
    @peter_castle 4 года назад

    You say chains don't stretch, How do you explain chains becoming 0.5%-1% longer? I assume you explain it by saying the holes became bigger and pins smaller because of wear of turning against metal so much?

  • @prodigalus
    @prodigalus 2 года назад

    most beautiful man alive 😍🤩😘😘

  • @hellergang
    @hellergang 3 года назад +1

    The Park Tool video offers a bit clearer explanation. ruclips.net/video/VdUQKVMPF5I/видео.html Answers lots of questions below.

  • @jamesskinner1902
    @jamesskinner1902 6 лет назад

    Also don’t waste time with pins. Master connectors are way better given you can take them off to clean chain and put back on and they are reusable. Connecting pins are too temperamental. Also run the chain the opposite way he does thought he derailleur as it’s easier

  • @richcole5829
    @richcole5829 6 лет назад +3

    If chains don't stretch, then why are old chains longer than a new chain with the same number of links?

  • @metalhalide4043
    @metalhalide4043 3 года назад

    Chains wear mostly from poor quality metal in the pins and bushings that is not hard enough, from my experience Shimano chains last much longer than KMC chains, its worth paying a little more..

  • @georgehugh3455
    @georgehugh3455 6 лет назад +17

    If you buy enough bikes and spread out your rides, you'll never have to change the chains in your lifetime....

    • @JonCannings
      @JonCannings 6 лет назад +2

      George Hugh that's my tactic

  • @GadgetDaveVlogs
    @GadgetDaveVlogs 6 лет назад

    I'm more confident using a quicklink

  • @chaim0001
    @chaim0001 6 лет назад +3

    The chains do stretch. You can see the difference side by side old and new chain.

    • @ryanotte6737
      @ryanotte6737 5 лет назад

      Effectively, yes the chain appears to have stretched from a side-by-side comparison, so a person can think of it in that way. What Jon is getting at in the video, though, is that the actual material isn't getting longer, the steel link plates for example. Maybe there is some very slight plate deformation if measured with a micrometer, but the primary reason for the chain getting longer is wear. Each link can pull slightly farther away from its neighbors because there is more space worn out between the pins and the plates. The material hasn't stretched, but the wear has allowed the chain to become looser and hence longer.
      Colloquially, though, it is easier to just think of it as stretch, measure the stretch, and replace as needed.

  • @sergioramos9520
    @sergioramos9520 6 лет назад +3

    Cada 10.000 - 15.000 kilometros cambio la cadena #GCNTECH

  • @Ultegra10SPD
    @Ultegra10SPD 6 лет назад

    Never ever touch new chain to old chain lining them up for length. #clean #wippermann4life -U10

    • @Ultegra10SPD
      @Ultegra10SPD 6 лет назад

      contamination of course #duh -U10

  • @gulfcitynd
    @gulfcitynd 6 лет назад +1

    Buy a sram chain no fuss

  • @bingrusginckle
    @bingrusginckle 6 лет назад

    All the chain shit is goofy just get a connex link and clean it when it looks dirty

  • @basicallyalandershowitz
    @basicallyalandershowitz 6 лет назад +7

    Um yes chains do strech, I change chains every day and fit new chains every day. Most of elongation is from the rollers getting shredded but links in chains do infact strech. I can put max 5sec power of only 980 watts and I can snap a cheap chain. They do strech over time with constant standing starts from commuting.

    • @THEdavehogue
      @THEdavehogue 6 лет назад +4

      back under ya bridge, troll

    • @basicallyalandershowitz
      @basicallyalandershowitz 6 лет назад

      Dave Hogue I'm not trolling I'm explaining that a statement was made that is "not technically true". If you would consider that a troll I think your going to have rough time on the rest of the internet.

    • @basicallyalandershowitz
      @basicallyalandershowitz 6 лет назад +1

      Also when I am "trolling" I prefer to live in caves

    • @bingrusginckle
      @bingrusginckle 6 лет назад +1

      Lmao are you doing track starts at every stop light

    • @basicallyalandershowitz
      @basicallyalandershowitz 6 лет назад +1

      Tor not every but waaaaaay to many

  • @MrCyclist
    @MrCyclist 6 лет назад +1

    It is easier to let the bike shop do it when you get your annual maintenance That is why we have bike shops..

    • @LaughingSaint66
      @LaughingSaint66 6 лет назад +1

      Dinsmore Roach except when u ride 16k yearly and go thru 4 KMC chains a year 😂💪🏼🚴🏼

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  6 лет назад

      You sure can do but with Jonny Tech's top tips you won't need to leave the comfort of your own home when you need a new chain

  • @davidgibsonphotography
    @davidgibsonphotography 6 лет назад +1

    Sorry mate.....as an instructor for maintenance you really need to keep on one theme, finish one train of thought at a time and maybe show the full steps start to finish.

  • @054dans
    @054dans Год назад

    Garbage video, makes no attempt to show/explain how to resize a too big chain, which 99% of us will have to do as they always come with more links than needed!