Yes. And no. There really wasn’t one like you mentioned, yes. But post COVID with the rapid recovery of the industry, airlines were left in a weird spot after offering early outs.
Frankly if you are early on in your training (like myself) then I wouldn't pay any mind to this. This industry is so volatile it'll probably go through another 8 hiring waves and 12 furlough seasons by the time you got your 1500
@@mathis8007well for someone like me who only has 25ish hours I also don’t really care at that news. It’s not like I’m getting 1500hrs any time soon and like he said there will be open spots in the future
yeah this is what you need to hear. At the end of the day if this is the career yu want just stay strong maybe it will take 2 years or 5 or 6 years but if you get there you're there
This is an anecdote. The reality you and at least every training pilots need to know is that no matter when you start flight training, the timing on when you could land an airline job is a gamble.
I’m going to tell you guys my life story. I graduated in 2022 with a bs in mechanical engineering and completed all my pilot license up to cfii and multi comm, I was 23 at the time, I decided to work as an engineer because that was more “stable”. I’ve been through two jobs in two years and was disappointed with both of them, and now I’m heading back to aviation since I realize it was a fools errand to try to time the market, and now I’m 2 years behind my colleagues who have gotten there corporate and airline jobs. But here is the kicker, nobody knows which path is the best, just do what you think you will regret the least.
Yes, you missed an opportunity. Had you started in 2022 you would sit pretty now. Right seat in an RJ making $150k. Anyone serious about the airlines needs to realize seniority is a thing that follows you your entire career. You postponing your career could snowball into sitting in the right seat for a much longer time. Either at the Regional or the Major. Could literally cost you a few million if we hit the doldrums we had in the 90’s. You can’t time it but you came out of school at the best possible time, and didn’t take advantage of it. Aviation is a musical chair dance. When the airlines stop hiring, the Regionals stop flowing thru to those Majors. No flow thru means those CFI’s hitting 1500 hours have nowhere to go. Pilots coming out of school can’t find CFI jobs because nobody is leaving the flight school. It’s not all doom and gloom though. There’s still a bunch of mandatory retirements on the horizon and once the production backlog catches up there’s even more hiring. With your engineering degree and all your ratings out of the way you should still make it. Just going to take a bit longer. Success!
47 year pilot here, 41 with the airlines, forced into retirement this July because of one too many birthdays. For 47 years I’ve heard about the “pilot shortage.” Haven’t seen it yet, nor do I expect to see it for the next 47 years. Granted, some times are better than others, and yes there may be a “shortage” for crappy jobs, but the better paid majors will never have a problem.
Hello i am 17 years oké and want to become a pilot, but I cant decide if I want to become a fighter pilot or airline pilot. If I chouse fighter pilot than I want to switch to airline pilot. What is your suggestion?
@ Based on what you say I would look into getting into an Air Guard or Reserve unit that flys fighters. Going on active duty is now a minimum of 10 years and there’s zero guarantee that you’ll get fighters after training. Guard and Reserve units send people to training to fly their particular aircraft. Then after training you’ll be in a part time position and able to pursue an airline career. On full time active duty you’ll be obligated for at least 10 years and locked out of airline jobs. Probably the best way for a 17 year old to proceed with that path would be to enlist in a unit that flies fighters. Work hard and let it be known that you’re interested in pilot slots. If they like you and you’re otherwise qualified they may just send you to pilot training. Good luck!
I received a CJO from a regional back in April. They said I won’t likely see a class date until April of 2025. So a year from interview to an actual class date. That being said, I am extremely thankful to even have an offer. I know many people interviewing at regionals getting rejected. 1,500 hours is not competitive. Best bet is to work for a 135 and build turbine time.
@@gordo1163 no there isn't, look ip the stats before making bold statements. by 2030 the US would still be short 17,000-30,000 pilots needed to meet demand. is there a hiring freeze today, possibly so. but the shortage is far from over and this is coming from a Captain buddy of mine at GoJet. He's off to fly the 737 for United in March next year but even as a senior guy at a regional, the regionals are stretching their pilots thin right now because there's not enough people coming in.
After my first trip on an airliner when I was 9 in the late 70s, I wanted to be an airline pilot. I started looking into the steps I would need to take to make this a reality. I learned that the most likely path would be via the military, but that there was no guarantee if I joined the military, I would be approved for flight training. That seemed risky to me. But then I had my first biology class in 7th grade with an excellent teacher. I was hooked. I asked her at the end of the school year what sorts of careers were available in life sciences. The first one she said was doctor and I didn’t hear anything she said after that. From 8th grade on I was basically pre-med. I went on to attend college and medical school on full academic scholarships (pretty important for my family as my dad was a truck driver). I’ve never second guessed that decision. Fortunately I found that careers in primary care (I’ve always enjoyed working with kids so I chose pediatrics) tend to be less vulnerable to economic downturns than careers in other industries. But although I’m happy with how my career turned out, just for fun I wonder sometimes how my life would have gone had I pursued a career on the flight deck rather than the exam room.
I may have had a rocky start to my pilot training many years ago, but I stuck with it, and worked as an A&P at a very large "company" to bankroll my instrument, time building, and commercial pilot activities. I don't care if I make it or not; I'm going to finish what I started, and figure out who needs a person with a commercial pilot rating, and an A&P mechanic with an avionics specialization.
There is no such thing as a pilot shortage, just a shortage of airlines willing to put the time energy and money into cadet programs and training low timers to airline standards as they used to in the past
Don't let the Oligarchs of the airline industry stop the gains WE as professionals have made over the past 20 years. The shortage is real. Don't allow yourself to be overworked. Get proper rest. Get proper pay!!!
Major Airlines just have to bring back the degree requirement, that way those that dont have one can take up the regional seats. Thats how its always been
Extremely moronic and biased take, airlines realized you don’t need a fictional piece of fucking paper when the guys coming out of those four years have less proficiency then somebody who did it part 61 zero to hero in less than a year.
I slightly disagree because the military is in the minority at the airlines... civilian pilots make up most of the ranks at the majors... keep in mind that the VA (after Vietnam) actually did something. And now it is worthless.... but that was what fueled and supplied the airlines after the deregulation act of 1978 was signed. I fit right in on those dates... I was in the Navy 1970-76 and got my Private license in 1974.... building time and experience until I was hired at a small commuter outfit in Ft Collins, CO... and then hired by Pioneer Airlines at the old Stapleton Airport... before getting hired at Continental Airlines in 1983. The rest is history as Continental merged with our arch nemesis United in 2012.
Same shit in trucking. Coming up on 13 years in trucking and I've been hearing about it since my first shift. The old school drivers at the time were saying there's been a supposed driver shortage for more than a couple decades before I showed up. There's only one sector of trucking that has a shortage, the mega carriers that treat you like a bastard child and pay you accordingly. Talking to ATPs every once in a while since I was kid, I've been hearing the same exact stories from pilots. Legacies that pay well don't have a shortage, never did. The regionals and cargo feeders on the other hand...
Think about a career in the UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, not just the airlines. The USAF is still very, very short of pilots. You could be flying tanker/transport (C-17, KC-135, C-130, etc.) within a year.
I think the industry has a upper ceiling. Let’s face it, airlines are no longer expanding through regionals or more planes. Rather they are just getting bigger planes. A319s are being replaced with A321s. Regionals are either getting cut or put on mainline
@@Iroh138 I'm not discouraging you or encouraging you, hiring could resume in the next couple years or it could get worse. No one knows. All I'm saying is don't get into the industry to try to make easy money, because it's a long grind that requires a lot of money, effort, and luck. Do it only if you can't see yourself doing anything else.
Not to get into politics but things will be changes dramatically for the good. Just be patient. Of course during high inflation and incompetence at Boeing. There is gonna be a freeze.
People fail to look at it being an election year. No industry hires during election years. I give it a year to see what happens to the economy during the new president. That will tell investors on whether to ok hiring or delay hiring with job/travel outlook. Then boeing and the pratt and whitley issues. Its just bottlenecked right now, but it will get better
Forgot to mention the influx of foreign pilots, type-rated, arriving in the US, where we don't have a nationality requirement like the countries those pilots come from.
There never was a like shortage. It was a gimmick wall street used to sell high interest loans since college enrollments and thus student loans are declining. The majors never had any issue with getting pilots.
Many of my friends and business associates who used to fly many times each year, no longer do so. The fun, exciting and pleasure of being an Airline passenger has disappeared! The Airlines used to bend over backwards to make every trip for every passenger feel like a "Special Experience". No more. Seats are smaller. No food. Even a tiny snack is costly, and folks are just fed up! So, now they only take a flight when there's no other way. Sadly, the industry did this to themselves! Bring back "that Special Feeling"! Make the passenger actual look forward to the experience again! And the Air Travel industry will begin to recover. Remember; Business Travelers can write off the entire cost of the trip! Start THINKING 🤔
There is no shortage of passengers. In fact, the "pilot shortage" is due to the fact that the airlines need more pilots to service the drastic increase in air travel by passengers. This goes completely against what you are claiming here. The fact that there is no other means of travel that comes even close to the speed at which air travel gets a passenger from point A to point B means that there will never be a shortage of passengers.
The shortage is definitely OVER! It went from 100 to zero quick. Do NOT go to flight school unless aviation is in your blood. If you don't live and breathe airplanes and aviation, do not try become a pilot!!! It will not be easy. The last 3 years of airlines hiring anyone and everyone will probably never happen again in our lifetime.
Coding is halfway over. Check the boards that programmers and software engineers hang out on. Many are struggling to find a new job after layoffs. AI will take a lot of those positions.
Pilots? Maybe. Experienced Pilots? Not so much. Hours does NOT make one a good pilot. Military pilots get much more stringent training than civilians. FACT!
There was never a pilot shortage. The regionals had a shortage due to their poor wages and CBAs. It’s all over now. If you’re starting flight training now just make sure you have a plan B in a different field. Even if you get to a major you will be bottom of the barrel…. Still a good career but it’s under attack by airbus single pilot B.S
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Can we talk about the mishandled luggage at 2:20 ? 😂😂
I think that was my crew bag...
😂😂😂😂😂
There has never been a pilot shortage, only a shortage of highly experienced pilots who want to work cheaply.
You are correct!
Yes. And no. There really wasn’t one like you mentioned, yes. But post COVID with the rapid recovery of the industry, airlines were left in a weird spot after offering early outs.
That applies to all
Industries
You sound stupid
Um, no. Its not 2005.
I've noticed that the airlines seem to make most of their decisions based on panic.
They need to practice better ADM.
35+ years at a major, and you're 100% correct! That's because top airline management come and go, never around long enough to cut their teeth.
Nice!
Frankly if you are early on in your training (like myself) then I wouldn't pay any mind to this. This industry is so volatile it'll probably go through another 8 hiring waves and 12 furlough seasons by the time you got your 1500
Your optimism needs to be studied in a lab
@@mathis8007well for someone like me who only has 25ish hours I also don’t really care at that news. It’s not like I’m getting 1500hrs any time soon and like he said there will be open spots in the future
@@mathis8007it’s not optimism it’s historical precedent
yeah this is what you need to hear. At the end of the day if this is the career yu want just stay strong maybe it will take 2 years or 5 or 6 years but if you get there you're there
This is an anecdote. The reality you and at least every training pilots need to know is that no matter when you start flight training, the timing on when you could land an airline job is a gamble.
I’m going to tell you guys my life story. I graduated in 2022 with a bs in mechanical engineering and completed all my pilot license up to cfii and multi comm, I was 23 at the time, I decided to work as an engineer because that was more “stable”. I’ve been through two jobs in two years and was disappointed with both of them, and now I’m heading back to aviation since I realize it was a fools errand to try to time the market, and now I’m 2 years behind my colleagues who have gotten there corporate and airline jobs. But here is the kicker, nobody knows which path is the best, just do what you think you will regret the least.
Yes, you missed an opportunity. Had you started in 2022 you would sit pretty now. Right seat in an RJ making $150k. Anyone serious about the airlines needs to realize seniority is a thing that follows you your entire career. You postponing your career could snowball into sitting in the right seat for a much longer time. Either at the Regional or the Major. Could literally cost you a few million if we hit the doldrums we had in the 90’s. You can’t time it but you came out of school at the best possible time, and didn’t take advantage of it. Aviation is a musical chair dance. When the airlines stop hiring, the Regionals stop flowing thru to those Majors. No flow thru means those CFI’s hitting 1500 hours have nowhere to go. Pilots coming out of school can’t find CFI jobs because nobody is leaving the flight school.
It’s not all doom and gloom though. There’s still a bunch of mandatory retirements on the horizon and once the production backlog catches up there’s even more hiring. With your engineering degree and all your ratings out of the way you should still make it. Just going to take a bit longer. Success!
“Nobody knows which path is best, just do what you think you will regret the least.”
Words to live by. For sure.
47 year pilot here, 41 with the airlines, forced into retirement this July because of one too many birthdays.
For 47 years I’ve heard about the “pilot shortage.” Haven’t seen it yet, nor do I expect to see it for the next 47 years.
Granted, some times are better than others, and yes there may be a “shortage” for crappy jobs, but the better paid majors will never have a problem.
Hello i am 17 years oké and want to become a pilot, but I cant decide if I want to become a fighter pilot or airline pilot. If I chouse fighter pilot than I want to switch to airline pilot. What is your suggestion?
@ Based on what you say I would look into getting into an Air Guard or Reserve unit that flys fighters. Going on active duty is now a minimum of 10 years and there’s zero guarantee that you’ll get fighters after training.
Guard and Reserve units send people to training to fly their particular aircraft. Then after training you’ll be in a part time position and able to pursue an airline career. On full time active duty you’ll be obligated for at least 10 years and locked out of airline jobs.
Probably the best way for a 17 year old to proceed with that path would be to enlist in a unit that flies fighters. Work hard and let it be known that you’re interested in pilot slots. If they like you and you’re otherwise qualified they may just send you to pilot training. Good luck!
Hey mate, do you think that pilots could potentially be automated and redundant in the next 30 years?
This "shortage" was caused by the government requiring a crazy number of flight hours to operate a commercial airliner. It was artificially induced.
1500 is not a crazy number of hours
@Hedgeflexlfz I know military aviators who didn't hit that before they left.
@@MattPSU02 Yea...military pilots barely fly
Agreed
If they didn’t require that you would be flying for Pennie’s 😂
I received a CJO from a regional back in April. They said I won’t likely see a class date until April of 2025. So a year from interview to an actual class date. That being said, I am extremely thankful to even have an offer. I know many people interviewing at regionals getting rejected. 1,500 hours is not competitive. Best bet is to work for a 135 and build turbine time.
Yes, it is over. The regionals are not short on captains anymore either, they are not forcing captain upgrades.
Exactly. There is a surplus of pilots now if anything and nobody's moving up the chain.
Thank god 2025 and 2026 will have the highest peak of retirements!
clearly someone is behind on insider news
@@gordo1163 no there isn't, look ip the stats before making bold statements. by 2030 the US would still be short 17,000-30,000 pilots needed to meet demand. is there a hiring freeze today, possibly so. but the shortage is far from over and this is coming from a Captain buddy of mine at GoJet. He's off to fly the 737 for United in March next year but even as a senior guy at a regional, the regionals are stretching their pilots thin right now because there's not enough people coming in.
I feel sorry for student pilots and time builders… missed opportunity for them
After my first trip on an airliner when I was 9 in the late 70s, I wanted to be an airline pilot. I started looking into the steps I would need to take to make this a reality. I learned that the most likely path would be via the military, but that there was no guarantee if I joined the military, I would be approved for flight training. That seemed risky to me. But then I had my first biology class in 7th grade with an excellent teacher. I was hooked. I asked her at the end of the school year what sorts of careers were available in life sciences. The first one she said was doctor and I didn’t hear anything she said after that. From 8th grade on I was basically pre-med. I went on to attend college and medical school on full academic scholarships (pretty important for my family as my dad was a truck driver). I’ve never second guessed that decision. Fortunately I found that careers in primary care (I’ve always enjoyed working with kids so I chose pediatrics) tend to be less vulnerable to economic downturns than careers in other industries. But although I’m happy with how my career turned out, just for fun I wonder sometimes how my life would have gone had I pursued a career on the flight deck rather than the exam room.
I may have had a rocky start to my pilot training many years ago, but I stuck with it, and worked as an A&P at a very large "company" to bankroll my instrument, time building, and commercial pilot activities. I don't care if I make it or not; I'm going to finish what I started, and figure out who needs a person with a commercial pilot rating, and an A&P mechanic with an avionics specialization.
Thanks for the information ❤️
If I wasn't scared of heights I'd definitely go to pilot school. But looking out that window no matter how nice it is also makes me sweat.
You didn't mention regional-to-mainline flow-through programs. These programs slow "off-the-street" pilot hiring, as it were.
Just put your head down and get your 1500 hrs boys, we’ll make it one day
another nice video THANKS
There is no such thing as a pilot shortage, just a shortage of airlines willing to put the time energy and money into cadet programs and training low timers to airline standards as they used to in the past
Only foreign carriers
Don't let the Oligarchs of the airline industry stop the gains WE as professionals have made over the past 20 years. The shortage is real. Don't allow yourself to be overworked. Get proper rest. Get proper pay!!!
Major Airlines just have to bring back the degree requirement, that way those that dont have one can take up the regional seats. Thats how its always been
Extremely moronic and biased take, airlines realized you don’t need a fictional piece of fucking paper when the guys coming out of those four years have less proficiency then somebody who did it part 61 zero to hero in less than a year.
Based
Ah yes, the mandatory degree.
Can’t be trusted to fly an A320 without having spent 4 years studying Ancient Greek philosophy.
I slightly disagree because the military is in the minority at the airlines... civilian pilots make up most of the ranks at the majors... keep in mind that the VA (after Vietnam) actually did something. And now it is worthless.... but that was what fueled and supplied the airlines after the deregulation act of 1978 was signed. I fit right in on those dates... I was in the Navy 1970-76 and got my Private license in 1974.... building time and experience until I was hired at a small commuter outfit in Ft Collins, CO... and then hired by Pioneer Airlines at the old Stapleton Airport... before getting hired at Continental Airlines in 1983. The rest is history as Continental merged with our arch nemesis United in 2012.
Hey a question, does a prop plane glide better without power than a jet equivalent ???????
Same shit in trucking. Coming up on 13 years in trucking and I've been hearing about it since my first shift. The old school drivers at the time were saying there's been a supposed driver shortage for more than a couple decades before I showed up.
There's only one sector of trucking that has a shortage, the mega carriers that treat you like a bastard child and pay you accordingly.
Talking to ATPs every once in a while since I was kid, I've been hearing the same exact stories from pilots. Legacies that pay well don't have a shortage, never did. The regionals and cargo feeders on the other hand...
The only shortage there ever was, experienced ATP rated pilots that would work cheap.
Think about a career in the UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, not just the airlines. The USAF is still very, very short of pilots. You could be flying tanker/transport (C-17, KC-135, C-130, etc.) within a year.
yea funny, 2% chance of making it
The air force is just too selective. They manufactured their own shortage.
I think the industry has a upper ceiling. Let’s face it, airlines are no longer expanding through regionals or more planes. Rather they are just getting bigger planes. A319s are being replaced with A321s. Regionals are either getting cut or put on mainline
I was planning to do pilot school after I graduate but is it still worth to do?
We need more Captains here at Republic Airways if anyone wants to join lol especially our EWR base
I want to become a pilot but im scared the shortage will be over and I wont be able to find a job. Should I still pursue?
Absolutely you should!
Will be over? It is already over. Spirit is furloughing like 500 pilots total by next year.
@@Hedgeflexlfz So should I not pursue aviation then because I dont want to spend 100000 and 4 years of my life just to not get a job
@@Iroh138 I'm not discouraging you or encouraging you, hiring could resume in the next couple years or it could get worse. No one knows. All I'm saying is don't get into the industry to try to make easy money, because it's a long grind that requires a lot of money, effort, and luck. Do it only if you can't see yourself doing anything else.
@@Hedgeflexlfzyou’re wrong it’s actually expected to get worse
Not to get into politics but things will be changes dramatically for the good. Just be patient. Of course during high inflation and incompetence at Boeing. There is gonna be a freeze.
Ill be graduating with my bachelors as a pro pilot in about 2.5 years, am i done for?
Definitely not. Keep at it!
What about cargo pilots?
over in Brazil
People fail to look at it being an election year. No industry hires during election years. I give it a year to see what happens to the economy during the new president. That will tell investors on whether to ok hiring or delay hiring with job/travel outlook.
Then boeing and the pratt and whitley issues.
Its just bottlenecked right now, but it will get better
Cope
Forgot to mention the influx of foreign pilots, type-rated, arriving in the US, where we don't have a nationality requirement like the countries those pilots come from.
Lots of employment regulation in the US, it's not that easy for foreign pilots to get work visas.
There never was a like shortage. It was a gimmick wall street used to sell high interest loans since college enrollments and thus student loans are declining. The majors never had any issue with getting pilots.
Some pretty out of date info. Or just not aware of the industry??
yea this dudes like 8 months behind. some of the regionals are still growing while also being fat staffed with captains
Many of my friends and business associates who used to fly many times each year, no longer do so. The fun, exciting and pleasure of being an Airline passenger has disappeared! The Airlines used to bend over backwards to make every trip for every passenger feel like a "Special Experience". No more.
Seats are smaller. No food. Even a tiny snack is costly, and folks are just fed up!
So, now they only take a flight when there's no other way. Sadly, the industry did this to themselves!
Bring back "that Special Feeling"! Make the passenger actual look forward to the experience again! And the Air Travel industry will begin to recover.
Remember; Business Travelers can write off the entire cost of the trip!
Start THINKING 🤔
There is no shortage of passengers. In fact, the "pilot shortage" is due to the fact that the airlines need more pilots to service the drastic increase in air travel by passengers. This goes completely against what you are claiming here. The fact that there is no other means of travel that comes even close to the speed at which air travel gets a passenger from point A to point B means that there will never be a shortage of passengers.
The shortage is definitely OVER! It went from 100 to zero quick. Do NOT go to flight school unless aviation is in your blood. If you don't live and breathe airplanes and aviation, do not try become a pilot!!! It will not be easy. The last 3 years of airlines hiring anyone and everyone will probably never happen again in our lifetime.
Airlines are incompetent😂😂😂
Build high speed rail
Yeah it’s over, save your money, go into coding.
Coding is halfway over. Check the boards that programmers and software engineers hang out on. Many are struggling to find a new job after layoffs. AI will take a lot of those positions.
@@tylercampbell6058 you cant detect sarcasm lmao
@@gustafpeyron haha. Guilty as charged.
Pilots? Maybe. Experienced Pilots? Not so much. Hours does NOT make one a good pilot. Military pilots get much more stringent training than civilians. FACT!
There was never a pilot shortage. The regionals had a shortage due to their poor wages and CBAs. It’s all over now. If you’re starting flight training now just make sure you have a plan B in a different field. Even if you get to a major you will be bottom of the barrel…. Still a good career but it’s under attack by airbus single pilot B.S