Professional piano player here: I'm officially impressed with your piano playing ability and would indeed say you need no qualification around "I can play piano".
I need weighted keys for the ergonomics. Semi-weighted keys hurt my fingers. Your body also develops muscle-memory that intuits a pitch-to-weight gradient connection.
The fact his definition of "no effort" still creates a product as engaging as his other videos is astounding! This video was incredibly interesting all throughout its duration
And here we find one of those conundrums it’s clearly not “no effort” because… well… it exists… this video took effort to produce. AH-HAH! SO HES A LYING PIECE IF Sh|T! No. You just need some chromosomes. You are aware there is a such thing as putting in less effort but still making something with value right? The world is far more complex than dirt and diamonds… is a bag full of gold worse than a bag of diamonds? Yeah. Would you be upset if a bag of gold randomly appeared before you? Unless you’re a spoiled brat, you probably wouldn’t go “uh I don’t want that that’s not diamonds” I always find it interesting people can’t English. I get it’s hard… but like… no? I’m willing to bet you’ve said “I did nothing today” atleast once so far in your life. When well… you probably ate, breathed, walked to the toilet… etc…
really liked your point of "engineering for nostalgia" because the ENTIRE music gear industry is built upon that philosophy for the most part, for example all our digital guitar amps can theoretically be made to be very distinct from tube amps yet most of them developed are simply emulations of classic guitar amps
While true, what would you want a guitar amp to sound like? They were originally intended to be fairly faithful to the sound of the instrument (perhaps coloring slightly in order to fix some of the limitations), but their inability to do that at volume is what led to the sounds we think of today. We could build amps that distort in different ways, but amps that do so are generally found to be unpleasant to listen to. Other manners of modifying the signal absolutely exist in the realm of digital effects, but you're no longer talking about what an amplifier does. And there are digital amps that allow you to combine the different types of amplifier distortions in unique ways. (Positive Grid's Bias Amp is the first place I saw this, but I'm sure it exists elsewhere.) Ultimately, I'm not sure what we'd choose to do differently.
@@wbfaulk not saying I don't agree w the philosophy, music is super tied to culture so it would be crazy to just reinvent the guitar like that out of nowhere, I don't know where I'd start I love my tube amps and tube amp emulators :)
Don't mix up "the entire music gear industry" with "the traditional music industry"... There are digital pedals that come from another dimension nowadays, and I own a modular synth with a digital granulizer on it and no keyboard... But then I have a keyboard synth with pretty much the same signal chain as the first Minimoogs and Odysseys from more than half a century ago. People just like familiarity, but nowadays there's many corners to dig up weird stuff.
@@headspacetheace No problem man, I'm just sunk deep into weird music stuff and I wanted to preach the good word of the quirky gear, for people who think there's nothing unique or weird out there to try. There is, and for the appropiate people it could be incredible fun. Also applicable to the digital VST realm.
Can we normalize youtubers making videos about their hobbies at the end of the year for tax write-offs? I'm sorry Mr. Government, I HAD to buy the keyboard for my JOB.
"I just bought this new keytar, it's a keyboard and guitar, I don't really need this shit, I just really wanted it." Damn it, that freaking song had to pop back into my head
Careful doing something like this. Brandon just hired 87,000 new IRS agents to catch people who do this. And you all thought he was just going to tax the rich more to offset his administration's insane spending...
I suppose by professional standards your playing might not be impressive, but it sure sounded great to me! It was also nice to hear you play (and discuss) ragtime. I was not expecting that at all!
I'm not a professional, but I have studied as an undergrad for 5 years now. And he sounds pretty good to me. I suck at piano, it's not my primary instrument. Music theory helped me cheat my way through piano class.
Well, that’s how piano training works. When you’ve finished a music school, If you want to play something, you learn it, practice and than play it. Pros do that on a daily basis, amateurs do that just for fun, so yes, pros will learn faster, play sturdier, faster etc, art masters will also include their own touch and feel, but basically any person well trained music can play a piano piece with some preparations and the guy does that real good.
I had the privilege of meeting Vocaloid's engineer at an anime convention and discovered to not much surprise that this other Yamaha product was also a sound sample bank that prided itself on smoothly ligaturing various combinations of phonemes (a task which isn't as difficult in Japanese where the entire language consists of 45 syllables using only 5 vowels with no dipthongs). Once they started making voices for Korean and English singing characters, it became more complex. After the presentation was over I asked the question "Japan's already started work on mechanical voiceboxes, why don't you just transition to synthesizing speech directly through vocal physics models" and his answer (plus your displeasure with the sustain pedal) makes it clear Yamaha's digital instrumentation division is happier massaging samples than reproducing what the original instrument's mechanisms *do*.(that, and the fact Vocaloid was demo technology never intended for distribution until the public demanded it).
I wanted the vocaloid software so badly when i was a bit younger (okay, like over a decade ago), but it was $300+ for i think just a voicebank and i didn't have the money or the computer to make it work so i never got it. Sometimes i still listen to the songs i had gotten from youtube and am still surprised at the rapid changes in sound. Like original miku versus vy2 or even gakupo vs gakupo whisper. I think it was yohio and his vocaloid that had a song that made it nearly impossible to tell which was singing (without wings?) To this day, i'm still fascinated by it all
From my understanding they did eventually switch to a different model instead of just using voice samples but it was mostly, if not entirely, due to fear from the original voice sources that their unique voices would be entirely reproducible thus making them obsolete (they were afraid they wouldn't be able to find work since people could just buy their voices without having to pay them per job).
i mean i guess japanese has diphthongs (basically one) but in the best (?) way. like theres “ai” which sounds like the name of the english ‘i’ character, and sounds like a diphthong but isn’t different enough mechanically to need more complexity
Don't overlook the jankiness of the Una Corda (left) pedal! What it really does in a grand piano is shift all of the hammers to the right so that instead of hitting three strings (tre corda) it hits one (una corda). While this does change the overall volume of the piano, it more importantly makes the tone more delicate and muted. Digital pianos only ever focus on the volume part making it essentially another special volume doohicky to make it quieter, but it does a lot more on its acoustic counterpart!
To be exact, the una corda shifts the entire action, so even the keyboard shifts. On uprights, the pedal moves the hammers closer, so they have less distance to travel and consequently hit the strings with less force; while there are probably subtle differences, it basically makes it as if you are pressing the keys more softly. It also, of course, doesn't shift the keyboard (although on the antique upright in my house, pressing the pedal too sharply causes the hammers to hit the strings randomly, and the keys to depress a bit). The digital version could be said to be more like the upright version in these ways (though considering other things are mimicking grand pianos, that is a bit odd).
@@fllthdcrb I had thought about that, but when you have the freedom that the digital piano offers its a shame that manufacturers always go for the sound of the upright rather than the grand out of I can only assume convenience. The upright piano is just a condensed grand and with that trade for smaller size comes a few downgrades in features and the effect of the una corda is the one that always bothers me the most along with the richness of the lower strings.
Don't say "only ever." The ones I developed for had separate sample banks and configurations for una corda. Basically, two separate digital pianos, with a pedal to toggle which one the keyboard was connected to. The sustain pedal worked the same way, switching sample banks in addition to changing the release behavior. (I'm not sure how Yamaha got that one wrong...) So we got relatively natural sympathetic resonance. At least at the time I was there, we didn't try to model sympathy between keys being held down at the same time, though. No idea if they do that now, but it wouldn't surprise me if they still didn't bother.
In my (quite old and somewhat cheapish) upright piano it puts a piece of felt right in between the hammers and the strings, wich gives it a really muffled sound. Almost as if you are listening to a piano played in another room.
I would like to complain that this was most definitely NOT 'No Effort November'. You've put in many years worth of effort to get your piano playing that effortless. :P
This is so funny! I actually work for Yamaha, I'm in the commercial audio department, but our philosophy does tend to be to use computers to trick you into thinking you're using the analog equivalent. We also do tend to like to build tricks into our stuff when we can, not surprised the engineers decided to use the keys that way. Great stuff, always enjoy your videos, even the no effort ones!
And yet there are those of us who tend to think YM3812 when we hear your employer's name, and get warm fuzzy feelings thinking of the sound produced by said chip.
There's potential for collaboration with other creators too, much of the synth community is very interested and involved with obsolete and obscure music technology
Relatedly, the place I work used to have a wide format printer that only had two buttons on it. One of which controlled the power. To configure said printer, you'd hold the power button until it would print out a scantron form. You would then need to find a #2 pencil, because you were expected to fill in the bubbles for the options you wanted and then you'd feed the paper back into the printer for it to scan in. Weird times.
When you were talking about toasters and swamp coolers I had to just trust that you'd done your research and were telling truths. But I always feared that someday you'd step into my wheelhouse and I'd be horrified to find that you were a fraud. I'm happy to report that you nailed this one and that makes me feel a lot more confident about my knowledge of toasters and swamp coolers.
What confirmed it for me was the talk of sympathetic vibrations. The other information was all very detailed and accurate, but sympathetic vibration is a particularly niché topic that not even a lot of pianists talk about/ are aware of. This channel continues to please and prove to be a great source of accurate information!
As someone coming from an engineering background, I've also found these videos to be very well done. It's easy to oversimplify a subject to the point of misrepresenting nuances, but Alec really does a fantastic job of avoiding those pitfalls.
@@btat16 Pianists not aware of sympathetic vibrations? Now that is surprising to hear. Pun intended. Even just playing around on a grand piano, not being a pianist, you can hear the sympathetic vibrations and the distinct sound they make. It's cool stuff. Not the dark-art that is piano-tuning, though, that is... a land no one speaks of.
@@Jackpkmn Of course, and I didn't know its name either. I wasn't talking about the jargon or word but rather the concept or sound of it. But you're right unless you have to take music theory or spend time just really focused on listening it'd be easy to miss. Cool point.
It has always amazed me how you can be so pedantic about such a wide range of things. Keyboards to can openers, and laserdiscs to heat pumps, it’s absolutely amazing. This is a great place for people who appreciate the finer details.
"In a nutshell, it just makes the piano a bit quieter when it's depressed." That's good. There's nothing worse than your piano being loud while it's sad.
Or on a more serious note, I think it actually moves the hammers closer to the strings. But I may be mistaken or there are different ways to achieve it, as I also have seen pianos where a strip of felt was mechanically placed in between.
You'd find my piano very interesting: it's a regular piano with a "silent function" that keeps the hammers from hitting the strings and uses an actual laser underneath the keys to detect what you're playing. It's also got all the regular digital piano functions, like instruments and recording plus a midi output.
Quick FYI from the music nerd gallery: the piano-forte (modern piano) and fortepiano are in fact different instruments. The older fortepiano has a leather-wrapped hammer and (most often) single action keys, whereas the newer piano has felt hammers and double action keys. And, if you were making a subtle joke that went right by me, please excuse the interruption.
That's simply not correct. The instrument was already known as pianoforte in the 18th century and dates back to the earliest instruments built in Italy by Cristofori. It's an abbreviation of 'gravicembalo piano e forte'. It's also found in plenty of commercially printed piano music from the era, for instance when stating that a work can be performed on 'cembalo' or 'pianoforte'. Instruments that are nowadays referred to as fortepianos include the earliest examples from the 1730s up until the instruments Chopin and Liszt played in the 1840s - which both have felt hammers (introduced by Jean-Henri Pape in 1826) and a double action escapement (introduced by Broadwood & Sons in 1783). Haydn already had a Broadwood double action piano, so did Clemeti. Beethoven also owned one from 1818 onwards - a year before he became fully deaf - and it was his favourite instrument. He composed his Hammerklavier sonata with this instrument in mind. The Viennese single action mechanic was in use parallel to it, but not entirely supplanted until well into the 19th century, but many 'fortepianos', and especially the most highly rated instruments from back then, meet neither of these criteria you mention and are mechanically identical to a modern piano. They just lack the high string tension owing to having a frame still partially made from wood. Due to wood expanding depending on temperature and relative humidity these instruments also tend to get out of tune very quickly. Again, that's just a generalisation. Chickering was building pianos with full cast iron frames by the 1840s and Steinway have since 1855. The defining characteristics of modern grand pianos are a fully cast iron frame and aliquot strings (tuned an octave higher and unstruck, they merely act as a resonator string to strengthen harmonic overtones, which is why a modern piano has a much brighter and more defined tone than a fortepiano) and the earliest such instruments were built in 1873 by Julius Blüthner.
Just want to say thank you for being so inclusive and including amazingly detailled Closed Caption on all of your videos. It's so important to me and many other people and it enriched the experience for so many. Great work, love your videos!
I'm a recording engineer that often records bands on very tight budgets. When someone wants piano and we don't have access to one that's appropriate/in tune, we'll just run midi out of my digital piano into a virtual instrument plugin. The more recent ones use ridiculously heavy layered sample sets and it's honestly hard to tell it's not real. Another advantage is you can dial up whatever style of piano that works best. When you're working with acoustic pianos sometimes you don't realize you're using the wrong piano for the job until after you've already taken the time to set up and start recording.
It has become the same with amp emulators for guitar. If people doesn't know you'll never hear the difference because things have gotten so good. It is way easier and more flexible to record MIDI and DIs instead of fucking about with tonnes of gear on the spot. In the end it is the final product that matters, not the way it was made. Tech har evolved for a reason.
@@TheToillMainn I like that sentiment. Yet we still have plenty elitists running around hating electronic music because it wasn't produced 'played on an instrument'. I suppose they find that the years of practice, dedication and dexterity it takes to be able to master an instrument is somehow 'vital' to their ability to appreciate a piece of music.. which I find odd. All those years of practice are only to facilitate the artist's ability to produce the song they have in their head out in to the real world. You'd think we should consider it progress when we've been able to take away all those extra hurdles... yet I suppose they find more value in the effort expended than the actual musical piece, or at the very least they consider it a deal-breaking affair. Music isn't a physical sport. It isn't about the mastery of one's body.. at least not to me. I can imagine getting mad at a runner that beats world records because he has electrically driven legs. The sport of running after all is about honing ones own body. Music is not that, at least not ONLY that.
@@ayporos some people just put more value in virtuosity than the music itself, and i don't necessarily think that's a wrong thing, it's just a different set of priorities. there will always be an interest in things produced wholly by humans. it's why you can still pay a person to physically construct a chair, despite having factories that can churn out a thousand identical chairs in a fraction of the time.
Your playing was fine! I’m glad you mentioned the issue of tempo at 4:10. For me as a composer, hearing a work performed too quickly is like wolfing down a delicious meal without taking the time to savor every bite.
0:10 : "I'm no professional pianist..." 0:23 : "...my level of piano proficiency would waste such an instrument." 4:15 , 4:25 : *Proceeds to play VERY well* HMMMMMMM Really puts a new meaning into "No effort November" eh? (Excellent playing, Alec)
The user interface on those Yamaha digital pianos is definitely designed with visual aesthetics first and foremost. They're making something for traditionally-trained piano players, so it's as familiar and "classic" as possible. And it looks like a "serious" instrument, sitting there in the living room. It makes for an interesting contrast with keyboards that are unapologetically synthesizers, which tend to have *a lot* of explicit controls, because radically changing the timbre of the instrument while playing is an essential part of modern synthesizer playing.
Unapologetically? As if synthesizers had to apologize for being a different instrument. I really don't know what do you mean by serious instrument but if you look at synthesizers in the same price range as quality pianos, you'll see a lot of serious instruments that you can't just turn on and play, they need these controls. I believe you either refer to cheap keyboards with "999 in 1" sounds or to arranging stations, which are kind of one-man-band instruments for event entertainers. But synthesizers are just a different thing.
Those controls do make sense. You end up playing the grand piano sound 95% of the time and just use one or two favourite voices 99% of the remaining 5% that you'll set without looking. Why ruin looks with buttons and make the price less competitive in the process?
@Andrew_koala Don't be ridiculous, if every corporate name was in capitals text would look very strange. You're probably referring to the practice of full capitalisation in legal documents or company registrations but that doesn't apply to general writing
I have a CLP585. The main usage of that big box that "pretends" to be the string box ... is that Yamaha has set an arrangement of speakers throughout, aimed at making it sound better. And it really really does.
Is that the grand piano looking one? Don't those even adapt the sound depending on how far you open the lid, just like a real grand piano? I think those things are great like for certain places (school classrooms) where there may not the space for a grand piano and not as stable an environment to keep everything in tuning. Plus saving the schools money they don't have on tuning. And that is only one example. Of course it is not a grand piano, and of course there is no comparison with a hughe Steinway grand piano for example. But does everyone who wants a nice and especially uncomplicated piano one of those? Another plus if living in an apartment with neighbors who don't appreciate piano music, they usually can be played with headphones if it gets late in the evening
@@alexanderkupke920 The 585 is the most kitted out of the upright style ones. They have a bunch of speakers and a few amplifiers arranged throughout the box with the goal of using it to make it sound like it's supposed to. And it works. That whole box is basically speakers, resonance, and echoes. Also, the CLP series is the more basic piano line, and the CVP series is the one with all the shiny extra stuff. And yes, being able to plug headphones into it is a great feature. I can also take midi out, if I were to get lost into synths, or take line outs into a behringer audio box that I also have, which then lets me record over USB on a computer.
I bought my wife a $700 Yamaha keyboard for Christmas a few years ago and it's great. She wanted a real piano, but after playing it for a little while, she fell in love with it. I've been binge-watching your videos for a couple of weeks. They're all great. And, you can play the piano!
Great video! Two things immediately strike me: One, what constitutes "no effort" for you results in a much better final product than 99.999% of RUclips stuff. Two: Of COURSE you're a guy who enjoys playing ragtime piano! Love it.
Says his skills aren't worthy of a more expensive piano, then proceeds to flex on all of us. I've gained a whole new level of respect for you after this video. And the jokes are hilarious too. 😆
I use a midi controller with Addictive Keys on my computer, and there's one thing that they got veeeery right. If you hit a note with the sustain pedal depressed, other strings within that note's harmonic sequence will resonate and vibrate sympathetically, making the sound thiccer than it would be just holding down that note by itself. They baked this into the sound engine and it makes such an enormous difference in realism.
I'm glad to have lived to see thiccnees as a concept applied to the mechanics (or electronics) of sound. I hope it will continue to prove versatile in increasingly numerous fields where thiccness can be quantified.
The "side note" joke at 3:48 was the one that got me:)) As I've often seen from many RUclipsrs, you undersell yourself - you play nicely. That's no low effort. In its white version, I occasionally jammed on this piano with other musicians in a local bar 3 years ago. After a while I got somehow accustomed to switching sounds, but I remember having to previously get a refresher from the PDF cheatsheet at home before leaving. Good call on not touching polyphony - Marc Dotty approves. Fun times. There's a whole "Mushroom Bar" playlist for those daring to kill their eardrums ;) Have a lovely time & keep on raggin'
I can't believe I had to scroll down so far to see a comment about the side note joke. I'm dying over here and expected many of the comments to mention it.
Man, I've been bingeing old TC videos recently, and I remember this one coming out at a really, REALLY dark time for me. Hard to believe it's almost a year old already. Looking forward to this year's NEN. However big or small the magnitude, thanks for helping me through some tough times.
By the way, you underrate your piano skills, they're impressive! And I'd like to add that many digital synthesizers and even MIDI keyboards also use this UX
My introduction to ragtime came when I was in the U.S. Navy being trained to become an E.T. This was in 1962 at Treasure Island in San Francisco bay. I joined the little theater group and another member was both a pianist and a magician of some repute locally. We were the principal set builders for the production along with being cast members, so I got to hear him play a little Scott Joplin whenever the opportunity arose during that work. A school ended and i did not meet with him again, but the love of ragtime his playing induced did endure. As you say the popularity of that genre tends to come and go over the years. Fast forward to about 25 years ago, as I recall and along with other vinyl versions of ragtime in my collection I found that he had published a box collection of the entire works of Scott Joplin. SO that is a long way of stating that indeed I have heard the more solemn and lovely pieces in his collected works.
I never tire of your sense of humor. The variety of subjects and consistency of entertainment and enrichment found in your content is nothing short of remarkable! Keep up the great work.
As long as we’re talking about Ragtime, it’s a little known fact Scott Joplin actually wrote an Opera as well. His Elite Syncopations is always my favourite.
Absolutely the best video you have made so far, in my opinion. From the boot tune to the explanation of the middle peddle nobody ever understood, you hit all of the reasons I continue to watch your videos. The humorous and informative pick-me-up that I needed this weekend. You have inspired me to go get an affordable keyboard, maybe even a keytar.
i think "best video so far" is a bit harsh for a confessed no effort video.He can make the most random topics interesting and entertaining. All of them are. That's where his success (rightfully) comes from. I have neither dishwasher nor an sort of piono (beyond a phone app) and yet still liked the videos. (Liked as in liked them, not just samshing the button)
I have a higher end digital Yamaha piano and it has a function called "damper resonance" which mimics the sympathetic vibration you mentioned. As a seasoned piano player, you can really tell the difference. If I close my eyes I don't notice a difference between this and a real piano. I actually bought the piano because it was the cheapest model that had this capability. I've never noticed the reset you mentioned with the sustain pedal and repeating a chord -- I'm going to have to try that out!
I am glad you mentioned this. I just posted this comment: "Back when I took piano as a kid, my teacher showed how you could use the pedals to get these wonderful harmonics. That is, you'd play like one or two chords, then use the pedals to allow the strings for keys you hadn't just played to vibrate--or something like that. It doesn't sound very "piano-like" at all, as the sounds weren't produced by hitting the strings with the hammers. It was entirely harmonic resonance. Does anyone know if any digital keyboards do this these days?" Is that what you're talking about? I wish I'd had the discipline to really practice when I was a kid. I hit a wall after several years, as computers occupied every moment of my free time. ;-) Plus, the computer is the ultimate machine for dilettantes.
@@bsadewitz I think you are talking about sympathetic resonance. My Yamaha does this slightly, but not nearly enough to match a normal piano. For example. Hold a C down without it playing. Hit a C above or below and it should sound the first C. They claim they have damper resonance...but that only happens when you hold the damper pedal down. Probably a CPU limitation, so find something higher end and it probably will do it with just holding notes down vs pedal.
4:33 I love the little messages you leave in the Closed Captioning sometimes. I also love that you actually do Closed Captioning, unlike 99.99% of Youbers. I'm not deaf, but I do have a slight loss in both ears technically, but I just hate if I can't hear a word or two. I don't have to rewind, just look down. Although you talk much, much, much, much, more clearly than most Youbers. YES! Youbers. It was a typo, but I like it since it's shorter to type over You Tu...
@@europeantechnic Nokia ring tone my friend .. I had like 6 of them during my life.
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The video was already playing for a while when the realization came to me you've played the WinXP startup sound.. then I paused and bursted out laughing. I think I'll go and get another coffee. This video could lead into a series about MIDI, just saying :)
I would love him to get into midi, especially diving into black midi. Also, for anyone curious and who knows about gaming keyboards (the kind for a pc) polyphony in electronic piano keyboards is equivalent to n-key rollover, meaning it's basically how many sounds can be processed at the same time.
Yes! MIDI was such an important step in modern musical tech. And such a brilliant design that it was nearly 40 years before the specs were upgraded. That's practically a geological age in the tech world.
I'd love a video series about MIDI and its history, as well as any previous formats (and why not talk about the history of synthesizers while we're at it?). to sum it up the MIDI standard was invented by Roland and Dave Smith/Sequential to unify the different standards of electronic instrument control at the time. Thus, the firs ever known MIDI messages were sent between a Roland synth and a Sequential synth. A mention of Black Midi wouldn't hurt tho. It helps understand how the meaning of the word MIDI has gotten all around the place nowadays since its inception.
I tend to watch your videos when my husband is sleeping (because he doesn't appreciate the great RUclips channels) but I tell you he was lucky to sleep through this one. I almost laughed out loud SO MANY times.
A tree falling in the forest creates timber. A piano key falling produces timbre (/ˈtambər/). Jokes on pronunciation pedantry aside, it takes crazy guts for a non-professional musician to share music online. Well done, and as always thank you for taking the time to document the interesting techy things that catch your fancy.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention one more specific advantage of a digital piano over a traditional piano: When your kids are practicing the same song for the 1,000th time, they have to use the headphones!!! 🎼🎶🎵🎶 🎧 😅
I can't remember the source, but I remember reading that Maple Leaf was the very first recording to sell over a million copies if you count piano rolls as recordings (which you should). Joplin is fantastic. James Scott deserves more love as well.
Alec: You can then have it read back to you the set speed. Piano: 69 Alec: Nice. Oh Alec, you just couldn't resist setting it to that speed for that reason! The way you said it so casually too just destroyed me!
9:50 just one minor observation (it's actually important): the key throws the mallet into the strings and that's why velocity is capable of describing the action quite precisely - and that's also the trick that made possible a keyboard instrument that could play the piano parts of music and the forte parts. Each piano key has tens of parts with complex features like una-corda and memorizing the dampers that were lifted when the concerto pedal was pressed. (both pedals are only found - afaik - on grands). Some pianos will also have a repetition feature on each key that will stop the mechanism from fully returning to the original position (for a short while) allowing for quicker repetitions of the same note. BTW, my test for digital pianos is to repeat a key very quickly so the key itself almost won't lift back - it produces a sound that I only heard on a physical modeling synthesizer called Pianoteq. Pianoteq will make that piano sound like a million dollars! (well, around 5 thousand dollars, actually) and costs a couple hundred bucks. I don't work at Modartt and don't even live in France - I just love the software.
Another comment thread described the una corda mechanism more clearly in mechanical terms, you may wish to join that instead of starting your own thread.
@@Hansengineering There are absolutely physical modeling approaches to digital pianos. IIRC, the first digital piano worth a damn was made by Roland and it took that approach. But since memory and disk space became cheap, most people have gone the “deep sampling” route with some extra processing on top.
THANK YOU for the call-out of people who play ragtime at ridiculously fast speeds. One of my pet peeves. Joplin played his rags with a very deliberate articulation, a marcato almost on the back half of the beat. That gets lost when the tempo is being pushed.
You had me in stitches of laughter when you played the Windows XP startup jingle and the iPhone opening ringtone, absolute classic, I love it. I wish you'd ended the video by playing the Windows XP shut down theme.
Oooh man, this video is full of great moments. It lifts up my heart to see and hear you play and dive into digital pianos, but then there's all those priceless gags and side notes on top of that. Please keep them coming!
Rod Miller (Former, famous Coke Corner pianist at Disneyland) was famous for his "off-key" Entertainer rendition where he would miss the last note of the hook by a half-tone. He learned the gag from the original Coke Corner pianist Rudy de la Mor. Rod is the one heard on the DL music albums and CDs playing the Maple Leaf Rag quickly. He started at DL in 1968 and retired in 2005.
as a hobby pianist and former piano teacher, I really enjoyed this one a lot. it's rare to hear someone talk about the instrument itself in a way that so thoroughly understands and appreciates all its little niceties.
Hey, great video! A strange beast it is. Just a minor “correction”: timbre is usually pronounced “tamber” rather than timber, owing to its French origins :)
The lack of sympathetic resonance is one of the reasons I switched from using the built in sounds of my digital piano to software instruments on a computer. There have been incredible strides made in physical modelling over the last 10 years or so, to the point that there is virtually no need for huge sample libraries any more.
You kinda missed a very important point: Digital keyboards can interface directly with a computer for sound production. This is especially useful for retro sound emulation where you want voices like pure sine or sawtooth.
there's almost no reason to buy one of these cheap digital pianos for sound production. unless you have some sort of crazy high end digital keyboard(s), synthesizing sounds yourself within the DAW gives you wayyy more control than you'd ever get just from sampling a recording of you playing. even if you don't know sound design, you have a practically infinite amount of sound presets to choose from, if you just look for & download them. especially for simple shit like sines and saws like you said, even the most basic of VSTs can synthesize those sounds, and you can mess about with the oscillator however you'd like to, unlike these pre-baked epiano sounds
I wouldn't say he "missed" it. A) I don't think this particular keyboard doubles as a MIDI controller, but maybe it's got a USB out or something? B) MIDI is a whole can of worms that is probably beyond the intended scope of discussing this particular device with a little background in the general technology behind it. MIDI can be translated to and from basically any input device. You can use a normal computer keyboard to input MIDI, or you can translate MIDI notes to trigger basically any hotkey/script you can think of on a computer. Want to use a gaming controller to manipulate your DAW? Easy. Want to play a secret chord on your MIDI controller to open your private folders? You can do that too. There really isn't a limit on what's possible once you start discussing MIDI beyond it's core basics, but that's many steps beyond the specific device being used here as it's being discussed mainly on it's own rather than as an external device connected to a much, much more complicated machine.
@@BigDaddyWes This keyboard actually doubles as a MIDI controller. It has a USB connection and interface, even cheap keyboards have been able to do this for several years now. It just doesn't have MIDI ports for controlling older sound generators, unfortunately.
@@atl6s Fair but I think it depends on what your background with piano is. If you've been playing for like a decade (or less idk that's not me) and subsequently move to working with a DAW, of course you'd probably like to use those skills, you've been building them for thousands of hours
I know that I'm late to the party, but excellent episode! I have both an electric keyboard and a real piano. I tend to use the electric, because the accoustic piano desperately needs to be tuned, and that's expensive. Great explanation of how it works. And I think that you are a very good pianist. Rag is not easy to play and you have a wonderful feel for it.
It is called "velocity" because it is a measure of how quickly the key is moving when it is pressed down. If you hit the key harder, the velocity is higher, and vice-versa.
I've been reviewing electronic keyboards since the beginning of 2020, and I've also been subscribed to you for a while because you've got some great content and, in my opinion, reliable information that I couldn't agree more with, but never did I once think you'd do a video remotely similar to this topic. I don't think you'd understand just how shocked and surprised I was when I got the notification for this video. I knew I had to see it as soon as possible when I got it, and I was not disappointed. You did an amazing job with this video, and I thank you so much for _brightening_ up my day with this (sorry not sorry)! Also, you play so much better than I ever will, and I'm impressed!
I can't believe I missed this video back when it came out. I'm impressed that you brought up the point about sympathetic vibrations. I haven't kept up with electronic piano tech, but I'm not aware of any electronic pianos that do a good job on that.
Reverb effect helps. A reverb that only turns on, when you press the sustain pedal, would be great. The latest models, also have the mechanical sound, of the pedal being released.
As the "%100 very real officially recognized" biggest fan of electronic instruments, nothing would please me more than to see you talk about more electronic instruments, particularly synthesizers as they have some interesting history. Side note: My middle school music teacher once let me look through the old band closet, and we found a midi controller shaped like a guitar. It had 6 buttons on each fret representing the the strings on a real guitar and it reminded me of the way you described the shifting function of the keyboard in your video. At the time I was 13, had 0 experience with electronic instruments, and I could never figure the dang thing out, but it really left an impression on me, and it would be really cool to see something similar again, even if not in person. I wish I could find a picture or something, it really reminded me of that "early 90's, plastic, not-so-chrome" look. you know the one.
Have you checked if there's a firmware upgrade available? That sustain pedal bug seems severe enough and the app might allow to upgrade the piano's firmware.
I own the predessor to this piano from about 15 years ago I think. The sustain on mine works correctly however It has a more limited piano key interface however. Also it looks like they are using the exact same panel design for the case! Edit I went to look at the model and it's a Yamaha CLP-115
Of course, you could always bypass the internal audio engine and connect via MIDI to copious amounts of piano engines that will not only fix the sustain issue, but will give a far more realistic piano sound.
Sure, but it always feels like you're losing so much of the function of the keyboard when you do that. At that point, why not just get something that functions as a MIDI controller only?
Actually, the MIDI protocol does not support 100% of the possible inputs a modern digital piano can react to. For example, sustain pedal is just on/off for standard MIDI, but as demonstrated here, the piano can react to partial application. Similarly, MIDI has only 128 possible values for the force of a played note, which is not actually enough to fully capture the possible nuances of a piano performance. MIDI's great and useful, but the actual instrument has the potential to leverage the performance much more realistically, and the more expensive pianos do in fact do that.
@@Kapomafioso That's fine. If your device is extending the 0-127 values that the sustain command allows, count yourself lucky. But the MIDI specification doesn't support that usage. Anything less than 64 is strictly "off" and anything equal or more is strictly "on". More to the point, that single example doesn't in any way refute the _fact_ that while MIDI can do a lot, the actual instrument will _always_ have access to a finer-grained view of the performance than MIDI will allow. (Well, until manufacturers have adopted and implemented MIDI 2.0...that's a whole other ball of wax, and one hopes it will address at least _some_ of the limitations that exist in the original MIDI specification.)
@@harvey66616 honestly the midi 2.0 spec is just a mess. It kinda feels like everytone randomly suggested features and the designers tried to fit everything in. Honestly I feel like rather than a midi rewrite we need a whole new protocol
Skeuomorphic was a new word for me. In case any one else was wondering: "A skeuomorph is a derivative object that retains ornamental design cues from structures that were necessary in the original. E.g. pottery embellished with imitation rivets reminiscent of similar pots made of metal"
What, you've never used Apple products? Steve Jobs insisted on overusing skeuomorphisms well after the user base had taken to computers as the natural thing rather than an imitation of another thing. Anyway, many videos about Apple and Steve use that word -- a lot!
skeuomorphic design predates the IOS and Steve Jobs though he and Apple became famous for it, especially in IOS. For example, the Floppy disk icon remains for saving files in many apps despite floppies no longer being used by most people on modern computers. The infamous failure known as Microsoft Bob, an alternate desktop environment from the early 90s for Win 3.1 used it to represent a home and office space with a Rolodex representing your contacts app, a wall calendar for your calendar app, a bookshelf with books on It for reference apps, a notepad for the notes app, a checkbook for a financial app, and so forth. The idea of using real life objects to represent digital version of them In software goes back to the early days of GUI-based OS’s and software in the 80s.
I'd absolutely love to see more about musical instruments, both videos like this where you look at how engineers have developed increasingly accurate digital replications of acoustic instruments, as well as instruments that can only exist due to our technological developments (there are tons of newer boutique electronic instruments but a good simple example would be the theremin).
Just wait until Alec starts explaining binary, hexadecimal and the entire substructure of MIDI. tbh I think it would make a great video since it is rather straight forward and simple to understand if it is explained well. I find it fascinating that the MIDI spec was created in the early 80s, and while everything technological around it has iterated to be unrecognisable MIDI has stayed unchanged in 40 years.
Yes, MIDI one of these things that should have been disposed of decades ago in favour of something that actually works properly, but for some reasons nobody ever got around to doing this.
Now that's something i would like to see. Not that i don't see his other videos, but i only know the concept of MIDI, not how it works and it would be awesome
The "tam-ber" pronunciation comes from being an approximation of the pronunciation of the original French word. The "tim-ber" pronunciation obviously comes from reading the word using typical English phonetics, which is what naturally happens to words that are read more often than they are spoken.
The level of education that you provide in obscure objects and sciences is outstanding. Hands down one of the best RUclips content creators out there. Keep it up.
Alec, you got me to walk off twice in the first minute... the XP boot-up and the manual transmission... nicely done. For those curious about "polyphony", simply put, it is a digital keyboard's ability to play multiple notes/sounds at once - not just per voice, but for ALL voices. In older synthesizers, this could be 16-32 notes/sounds. If you had a keyboard that could play rhythm, bass, and orchestral accompaniment, they would also... play into... that limit. More sounds take more processing, and are usually in bases of 2 (i.e. 8, 16, 32, etc.), so the more notes you wanted to play, the more you had to pay, and if I remember correctly, the most recent note would usually cut off the "oldest" note. You're welcome for this useless information. :D
To your last point, so-called "note stealing" algorithms became much more sophisticated in the late 90s through mid 2000s than the simple "oldest note" technique of the earlier years. My old Kawai ES3, for instance, had "only" 32 voices of stereo polyphony (which it could stretch to up to 64 by selectively converting some held voices to mono), and yet I seldom if ever noticed notes get taken away, even while playing lots of notes while holding down the pedal. The algorithm was excellent at figuring out which notes to toss without the player noticing much (if at all). I imagine these tricks are still on tap in newer instruments, but improvements in technology have allowed modern digital pianos to trivially have multiple hundreds of notes of polyphony (my current Kawai ES8 has 256, and that's actually rather modest compared to some of the competition), so it comes up a lot less often in practice.
For a couple of non-power-of-two polyphony examples, the Phillips SAA1099 could do 6 notes, the Yamaha YM3812 could do 9, and the YMF262 could do 18. If those chips sound familiar, it's probably because they were all used by Creative Labs on their ISA sound cards.
Great video. First time I saw keys of a musical keyboard being reassigned to different functions I thought it was really cool. Its almost like having a key or keys on an old pipe organ open up a secret doorway. MIDI keyboards often have keys reassigned by different computer software and some MIDI keyboards actually have color changing LEDs above the keys to indicate changes in the programming. For example if the section of the keyboard is a different instrument or if a section is being used to as some other control. I enjoyed your explanation of how a traditional piano works and some of the ways they try to get a digital keyboard to emulate the touch and sound. Digital sampling of different instruments is pretty fascinating and can get pretty complex depending on the instrument and even the way they emulate strings, or woodwinds that are controlled by bows and breath and map those controls and the sounds of them to a keyboard.
I’m a music student. And I truly was impressed to hear how much you know about music aside from the technology. And your playing was also much better than I was expecting. But. At 10:15 you used the word timbre, and you pronounced it timber instead of tamber. And that really got to me.
Gotta love a UI that requires you to look at the manual every time. Really enjoyed the walk-through on this one. I stopped piano lessons (and practicing) in 6th grade. 30 years later, I wish I had kept up with it. Oh, and around here, the "idiot songs" for piano were always Heart and Soul or Fur Elize. Thanks for sharing!
Hey, I've stopped playing as a child as well but picked it up again recently. (I am 34 right now) Get a cheap (and good) used E-Piano - like the yamaha P80, which I got - and start again. You'd be surprised how much of what you've learned comes back again. And if it turnes out that is not for you, you can sell the piano again at virtually no loss.
I suspect you would get familiar with what note, and therefore what key, controls the functions most important to you. Being a pianist already would make this mapping pretty easy to remember.
What a wonderful and informative video! I don't play, but I find music and instruments fascinating, and hearing this discussed from a technological standpoint was really, really neat! Definitely one of my favorite videos from you so far!
This ties in nicely with Techmoan's video about the retro but functional reel to reel player that uses cassette sized film and a modified cassette deck. They spent a lot of time to engineer a new system that uses a proprietary media format that is based off one that is widely used.
Your take on Scott Joplin was absolutely, and objectively correct. Most of his music was meant to be played at a moderate, to rather slow tempo. It has a lot more feel when it is played properly, and once heard in the correct manner one becomes much more aware of why Joplin truly was the father of modern Jazz, and popular music more generally. He really was what could be defined as the first “pop star”. Even if he was screwed out of all that he truly deserved while still alive. This is why racism is a cancer that needs to be eradicated from civilization entirely. -sincerely, A massive music nerd who’s been fortunate enough to live life on the road, in smoke filled, beer drenched road houses playing to strangers since he was 14 years old.
"No-Effort-November", now with a skill that took years of effort to develop.
cashing in
No effort what-so-ever *THIS* November.
Any effort put in before not included.
Each sold separately.
So true!
He even took the time to grow Dracula hair before learning to play the harpsichord. This "no effort" video was almost two years in the making.
"It took me 10 years to do it in 5 minutes."
It's a good thing you can't forget your piano playing skills for just for a video :)
Professional piano player here: I'm officially impressed with your piano playing ability and would indeed say you need no qualification around "I can play piano".
Pretty basic reason: if you underplay a ability people maybe impressed. If you boast about it, people look for flaws.
@@gregmize01 Ok, Greg.
@@5Andysalive very true
@@gregmize01 Cool beans
@@gregmize01 Being a professional means you get paid to do it. It doesn't imply any skill level at all.
I need weighted keys for the ergonomics. Semi-weighted keys hurt my fingers. Your body also develops muscle-memory that intuits a pitch-to-weight gradient connection.
Hi Tay!
If you prefer the weighted keys that means you most likely weren’t trained on an organ!
The fact that Tay is just casually weighing in on a technology connections video is sending me rn😂 2 legends. Thank you for your music 💝
i have always preferred weightless keys, especially for rapid playing.
@@Draftmission hi Tay! 🌈
The fact his definition of "no effort" still creates a product as engaging as his other videos is astounding! This video was incredibly interesting all throughout its duration
And here we find one of those conundrums it’s clearly not “no effort” because… well… it exists… this video took effort to produce. AH-HAH! SO HES A LYING PIECE IF Sh|T!
No. You just need some chromosomes. You are aware there is a such thing as putting in less effort but still making something with value right? The world is far more complex than dirt and diamonds… is a bag full of gold worse than a bag of diamonds? Yeah. Would you be upset if a bag of gold randomly appeared before you? Unless you’re a spoiled brat, you probably wouldn’t go “uh I don’t want that that’s not diamonds”
I always find it interesting people can’t English. I get it’s hard… but like… no? I’m willing to bet you’ve said “I did nothing today” atleast once so far in your life. When well… you probably ate, breathed, walked to the toilet… etc…
"i'm bad at piano" *is great at piano*
Came here to say that lol
*ragtimes at mach 3*
You guys have such low standards lmao
@@baileyayyy5085 …“, says the random jerk
Just like that one time he had "some knowledge" of Chinese, I guess :)
really liked your point of "engineering for nostalgia" because the ENTIRE music gear industry is built upon that philosophy for the most part, for example all our digital guitar amps can theoretically be made to be very distinct from tube amps yet most of them developed are simply emulations of classic guitar amps
While true, what would you want a guitar amp to sound like? They were originally intended to be fairly faithful to the sound of the instrument (perhaps coloring slightly in order to fix some of the limitations), but their inability to do that at volume is what led to the sounds we think of today. We could build amps that distort in different ways, but amps that do so are generally found to be unpleasant to listen to. Other manners of modifying the signal absolutely exist in the realm of digital effects, but you're no longer talking about what an amplifier does. And there are digital amps that allow you to combine the different types of amplifier distortions in unique ways. (Positive Grid's Bias Amp is the first place I saw this, but I'm sure it exists elsewhere.)
Ultimately, I'm not sure what we'd choose to do differently.
@@wbfaulk not saying I don't agree w the philosophy, music is super tied to culture so it would be crazy to just reinvent the guitar like that out of nowhere, I don't know where I'd start I love my tube amps and tube amp emulators :)
Don't mix up "the entire music gear industry" with "the traditional music industry"... There are digital pedals that come from another dimension nowadays, and I own a modular synth with a digital granulizer on it and no keyboard... But then I have a keyboard synth with pretty much the same signal chain as the first Minimoogs and Odysseys from more than half a century ago. People just like familiarity, but nowadays there's many corners to dig up weird stuff.
@@jonpatchmodular you right Im too hyperbolic sometimes sorry :)
@@headspacetheace No problem man, I'm just sunk deep into weird music stuff and I wanted to preach the good word of the quirky gear, for people who think there's nothing unique or weird out there to try. There is, and for the appropiate people it could be incredible fun. Also applicable to the digital VST realm.
Can we normalize youtubers making videos about their hobbies at the end of the year for tax write-offs? I'm sorry Mr. Government, I HAD to buy the keyboard for my JOB.
Question: are we to understand that this Mr. Government was a ward of the state until his 18th birthday?
@@charlesrense5199 or Mrs :P
"I just bought this new keytar, it's a keyboard and guitar, I don't really need this shit, I just really wanted it."
Damn it, that freaking song had to pop back into my head
A flat 10% tax for everyone sounds better to me.
Careful doing something like this. Brandon just hired 87,000 new IRS agents to catch people who do this. And you all thought he was just going to tax the rich more to offset his administration's insane spending...
I suppose by professional standards your playing might not be impressive, but it sure sounded great to me! It was also nice to hear you play (and discuss) ragtime. I was not expecting that at all!
I've been a professional musician for decades and his piano playing sounded damn great to me! He really knows what he's doing.
I'm not a professional, but I have studied as an undergrad for 5 years now. And he sounds pretty good to me. I suck at piano, it's not my primary instrument. Music theory helped me cheat my way through piano class.
Well, that’s how piano training works. When you’ve finished a music school, If you want to play something, you learn it, practice and than play it. Pros do that on a daily basis, amateurs do that just for fun, so yes, pros will learn faster, play sturdier, faster etc, art masters will also include their own touch and feel, but basically any person well trained music can play a piano piece with some preparations and the guy does that real good.
He is underselling himself quite a bit, mostly because piano players and musicians can at times, be very gatekeeping prone
I’m a piano teacher, and his playing is excellent.
As a father, I now wish I'd sent my daughters to piano lessons. Electronic pianos have headphones... violas and flutes do not.
Another great plus!
My sister chose the violin. Twenty years later, I still wonder how anyone can stand the sound of that instrument on its own.
There are silent violins available (made by Yamaha for instance)
So do electric guitars...
@@Lttlemoi Could be worse. Imagine offering your kid bagpipes! 😁
OF COURSE Alec knows how to play ringtones on a piano.
I was half expecting him to play floaters during the Patreon credits and bloopers but alas that never came.
With bonus annoyed look while he does it. The man is a national treasure.
And that glorious XP startup sound
Because of course he does
And he sets his metronome to 69. Comedy
"You can then have it read back to you the set speed"
"sixty-nine"
"nice"
the way he just casually said that just broke me
05:39
In tears - didn't expect it at all
I was eating! there's now pasta sauce on my screen and I nearly choked
Inhaled my drink at that point. Damn you Alec, you're awesome!
Why is that funny?
@@Petertronic the internet can be a fun, seedy place
I had the privilege of meeting Vocaloid's engineer at an anime convention and discovered to not much surprise that this other Yamaha product was also a sound sample bank that prided itself on smoothly ligaturing various combinations of phonemes (a task which isn't as difficult in Japanese where the entire language consists of 45 syllables using only 5 vowels with no dipthongs). Once they started making voices for Korean and English singing characters, it became more complex.
After the presentation was over I asked the question "Japan's already started work on mechanical voiceboxes, why don't you just transition to synthesizing speech directly through vocal physics models" and his answer (plus your displeasure with the sustain pedal) makes it clear Yamaha's digital instrumentation division is happier massaging samples than reproducing what the original instrument's mechanisms *do*.(that, and the fact Vocaloid was demo technology never intended for distribution until the public demanded it).
I wanted the vocaloid software so badly when i was a bit younger (okay, like over a decade ago), but it was $300+ for i think just a voicebank and i didn't have the money or the computer to make it work so i never got it.
Sometimes i still listen to the songs i had gotten from youtube and am still surprised at the rapid changes in sound. Like original miku versus vy2 or even gakupo vs gakupo whisper. I think it was yohio and his vocaloid that had a song that made it nearly impossible to tell which was singing (without wings?)
To this day, i'm still fascinated by it all
From my understanding they did eventually switch to a different model instead of just using voice samples but it was mostly, if not entirely, due to fear from the original voice sources that their unique voices would be entirely reproducible thus making them obsolete (they were afraid they wouldn't be able to find work since people could just buy their voices without having to pay them per job).
Japanese does have diphthongs.
i mean i guess japanese has diphthongs (basically one) but in the best (?) way. like theres “ai” which sounds like the name of the english ‘i’ character, and sounds like a diphthong but isn’t different enough mechanically to need more complexity
i was hoping there would be a vocaloid comment somewhere knowing yamaha was mentioned, but i had to scroll kinda far for it haha
Don't overlook the jankiness of the Una Corda (left) pedal! What it really does in a grand piano is shift all of the hammers to the right so that instead of hitting three strings (tre corda) it hits one (una corda). While this does change the overall volume of the piano, it more importantly makes the tone more delicate and muted. Digital pianos only ever focus on the volume part making it essentially another special volume doohicky to make it quieter, but it does a lot more on its acoustic counterpart!
To be exact, the una corda shifts the entire action, so even the keyboard shifts.
On uprights, the pedal moves the hammers closer, so they have less distance to travel and consequently hit the strings with less force; while there are probably subtle differences, it basically makes it as if you are pressing the keys more softly. It also, of course, doesn't shift the keyboard (although on the antique upright in my house, pressing the pedal too sharply causes the hammers to hit the strings randomly, and the keys to depress a bit). The digital version could be said to be more like the upright version in these ways (though considering other things are mimicking grand pianos, that is a bit odd).
@@fllthdcrb I had thought about that, but when you have the freedom that the digital piano offers its a shame that manufacturers always go for the sound of the upright rather than the grand out of I can only assume convenience. The upright piano is just a condensed grand and with that trade for smaller size comes a few downgrades in features and the effect of the una corda is the one that always bothers me the most along with the richness of the lower strings.
Don't say "only ever." The ones I developed for had separate sample banks and configurations for una corda. Basically, two separate digital pianos, with a pedal to toggle which one the keyboard was connected to.
The sustain pedal worked the same way, switching sample banks in addition to changing the release behavior. (I'm not sure how Yamaha got that one wrong...) So we got relatively natural sympathetic resonance.
At least at the time I was there, we didn't try to model sympathy between keys being held down at the same time, though. No idea if they do that now, but it wouldn't surprise me if they still didn't bother.
In my (quite old and somewhat cheapish) upright piano it puts a piece of felt right in between the hammers and the strings, wich gives it a really muffled sound. Almost as if you are listening to a piano played in another room.
Pedantic language note:
The piano was invented in Italy. Three strings should be "tre corde". Sorry. Thanks.
I would like to complain that this was most definitely NOT 'No Effort November'. You've put in many years worth of effort to get your piano playing that effortless. :P
But did he do that in november?
@V E T A 📽️ How youtube didn't automatically remove your comment is a mystery.
@@nelsonahlvik6650 was it spam?
go through his previous "no effort" videos. Very few of them are.
@@oxybrightdark8765 Yes
This is so funny! I actually work for Yamaha, I'm in the commercial audio department, but our philosophy does tend to be to use computers to trick you into thinking you're using the analog equivalent. We also do tend to like to build tricks into our stuff when we can, not surprised the engineers decided to use the keys that way. Great stuff, always enjoy your videos, even the no effort ones!
And yet there are those of us who tend to think YM3812 when we hear your employer's name, and get warm fuzzy feelings thinking of the sound produced by said chip.
Yes I definitely think of the keyboard my mother had growing up. Guess it is a different kind of nostalgia there
@@Roxor128 *shudders in OPL3*
@@kjrehberg Guess I've found the one person who used the YM3812's Composite Sine Modelling mode that was removed in the OPL3.
@@Roxor128 And the YM2151
As someone who always watches with subtitles on, I always appreciate your little subhumor you insert. Great work!
Watched for years and didn't know you were a musician, would love to see more technical music content. Thank you this was fun!
Oh yes, it was.
misread that and thought you said more techno music content.
@@davidball8370 i love techno too lol
There's potential for collaboration with other creators too, much of the synth community is very interested and involved with obsolete and obscure music technology
Sigh...he's not playing. That's why he hid the keyboard.
Relatedly, the place I work used to have a wide format printer that only had two buttons on it. One of which controlled the power.
To configure said printer, you'd hold the power button until it would print out a scantron form. You would then need to find a #2 pencil, because you were expected to fill in the bubbles for the options you wanted and then you'd feed the paper back into the printer for it to scan in.
Weird times.
That has got to be one of the strangest user interfaces I've ever heard of!
anything to waste more ink
and here i thought computers move past punch cards like half a century ago
Well, at least that's one practical use of all those times we spent with standardized tests...
ACT flashbacks...
When you were talking about toasters and swamp coolers I had to just trust that you'd done your research and were telling truths. But I always feared that someday you'd step into my wheelhouse and I'd be horrified to find that you were a fraud.
I'm happy to report that you nailed this one and that makes me feel a lot more confident about my knowledge of toasters and swamp coolers.
What confirmed it for me was the talk of sympathetic vibrations. The other information was all very detailed and accurate, but sympathetic vibration is a particularly niché topic that not even a lot of pianists talk about/ are aware of. This channel continues to please and prove to be a great source of accurate information!
As someone coming from an engineering background, I've also found these videos to be very well done. It's easy to oversimplify a subject to the point of misrepresenting nuances, but Alec really does a fantastic job of avoiding those pitfalls.
@@btat16 Pianists not aware of sympathetic vibrations? Now that is surprising to hear. Pun intended. Even just playing around on a grand piano, not being a pianist, you can hear the sympathetic vibrations and the distinct sound they make. It's cool stuff. Not the dark-art that is piano-tuning, though, that is... a land no one speaks of.
@@x--. You don't really have to be aware of the reason something happens or even what its named to make it make the sound you want for your music.
@@Jackpkmn Of course, and I didn't know its name either. I wasn't talking about the jargon or word but rather the concept or sound of it.
But you're right unless you have to take music theory or spend time just really focused on listening it'd be easy to miss. Cool point.
It has always amazed me how you can be so pedantic about such a wide range of things. Keyboards to can openers, and laserdiscs to heat pumps, it’s absolutely amazing. This is a great place for people who appreciate the finer details.
An apt description of this guy.
"In a nutshell, it just makes the piano a bit quieter when it's depressed."
That's good. There's nothing worse than your piano being loud while it's sad.
Be a good blues piano?
@@GarysPauny 😂
Badum tiss
Or on a more serious note, I think it actually moves the hammers closer to the strings. But I may be mistaken or there are different ways to achieve it, as I also have seen pianos where a strip of felt was mechanically placed in between.
@@alexanderkupke920 I used to have a piano with the felt option. And it was pretty useless, I never used the pedal.
You'd find my piano very interesting: it's a regular piano with a "silent function" that keeps the hammers from hitting the strings and uses an actual laser underneath the keys to detect what you're playing. It's also got all the regular digital piano functions, like instruments and recording plus a midi output.
Why a laser and not some cheaper movement sensor? Sounds gimmicky to me, although I'm fully aware of the benefits of the other listed features.
that’s so cool! does the piano like…. physically move the hammer mechanism back? do you know how it works?
So it's not a digital piano emulating a real one, but a real piano emulating a digital one! 🤯
@@johndododoe1411 probably because its a piano that can be used to directly record digital tracks instead of needing to pickup the audio somehow
How rich are you!?
*OF* _course_ you're a musician. I haven't traversed your entire catalogue so this is the first I've seen of that talent. Delightful installment.
You sure it's TC and not SethEverman? I mean, look at 1:21
Quick FYI from the music nerd gallery: the piano-forte (modern piano) and fortepiano are in fact different instruments. The older fortepiano has a leather-wrapped hammer and (most often) single action keys, whereas the newer piano has felt hammers and double action keys. And, if you were making a subtle joke that went right by me, please excuse the interruption.
I know a lot of digital pianos today, at least high end ones, will use samples from both, but it's not always clear what they're using, when, and how.
I believe that leather wrapped one was called "Hammerklavier"?
And before that you had a bunch of tongue instruments, clavecimble, harpsicord etc.
That's simply not correct. The instrument was already known as pianoforte in the 18th century and dates back to the earliest instruments built in Italy by Cristofori. It's an abbreviation of 'gravicembalo piano e forte'. It's also found in plenty of commercially printed piano music from the era, for instance when stating that a work can be performed on 'cembalo' or 'pianoforte'.
Instruments that are nowadays referred to as fortepianos include the earliest examples from the 1730s up until the instruments Chopin and Liszt played in the 1840s - which both have felt hammers (introduced by Jean-Henri Pape in 1826) and a double action escapement (introduced by Broadwood & Sons in 1783).
Haydn already had a Broadwood double action piano, so did Clemeti. Beethoven also owned one from 1818 onwards - a year before he became fully deaf - and it was his favourite instrument. He composed his Hammerklavier sonata with this instrument in mind. The Viennese single action mechanic was in use parallel to it, but not entirely supplanted until well into the 19th century, but many 'fortepianos', and especially the most highly rated instruments from back then, meet neither of these criteria you mention and are mechanically identical to a modern piano. They just lack the high string tension owing to having a frame still partially made from wood. Due to wood expanding depending on temperature and relative humidity these instruments also tend to get out of tune very quickly. Again, that's just a generalisation. Chickering was building pianos with full cast iron frames by the 1840s and Steinway have since 1855.
The defining characteristics of modern grand pianos are a fully cast iron frame and aliquot strings (tuned an octave higher and unstruck, they merely act as a resonator string to strengthen harmonic overtones, which is why a modern piano has a much brighter and more defined tone than a fortepiano) and the earliest such instruments were built in 1873 by Julius Blüthner.
Just want to say thank you for being so inclusive and including amazingly detailled Closed Caption on all of your videos. It's so important to me and many other people and it enriched the experience for so many. Great work, love your videos!
Right? The captions even include the jokes and have puns of their own. It's fantastic.
I'm a recording engineer that often records bands on very tight budgets. When someone wants piano and we don't have access to one that's appropriate/in tune, we'll just run midi out of my digital piano into a virtual instrument plugin. The more recent ones use ridiculously heavy layered sample sets and it's honestly hard to tell it's not real. Another advantage is you can dial up whatever style of piano that works best. When you're working with acoustic pianos sometimes you don't realize you're using the wrong piano for the job until after you've already taken the time to set up and start recording.
IK its consumer but Keyscapes is godlike
It has become the same with amp emulators for guitar. If people doesn't know you'll never hear the difference because things have gotten so good. It is way easier and more flexible to record MIDI and DIs instead of fucking about with tonnes of gear on the spot. In the end it is the final product that matters, not the way it was made. Tech har evolved for a reason.
@@TheToillMainn I like that sentiment.
Yet we still have plenty elitists running around hating electronic music because it wasn't produced 'played on an instrument'.
I suppose they find that the years of practice, dedication and dexterity it takes to be able to master an instrument is somehow 'vital' to their ability to appreciate a piece of music.. which I find odd. All those years of practice are only to facilitate the artist's ability to produce the song they have in their head out in to the real world.
You'd think we should consider it progress when we've been able to take away all those extra hurdles... yet I suppose they find more value in the effort expended than the actual musical piece, or at the very least they consider it a deal-breaking affair.
Music isn't a physical sport. It isn't about the mastery of one's body.. at least not to me. I can imagine getting mad at a runner that beats world records because he has electrically driven legs. The sport of running after all is about honing ones own body. Music is not that, at least not ONLY that.
@@ayporos you can also correct a note if you make a mistake ;) - or just quantize the whole song if you're just a rubbish 😂
@@ayporos some people just put more value in virtuosity than the music itself, and i don't necessarily think that's a wrong thing, it's just a different set of priorities.
there will always be an interest in things produced wholly by humans. it's why you can still pay a person to physically construct a chair, despite having factories that can churn out a thousand identical chairs in a fraction of the time.
"Thats confusing so I'm not gonna touch it"
Bless No Effort Novemb
That said, I'd love a vide on it anyway, lol.
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@@callmeperch He's taking LEN to such an extent that he couldn't even be bothered to finish the word. Though I made up an initialism, so...
Your playing was fine! I’m glad you mentioned the issue of tempo at 4:10. For me as a composer, hearing a work performed too quickly is like wolfing down a delicious meal without taking the time to savor every bite.
0:10 : "I'm no professional pianist..."
0:23 : "...my level of piano proficiency would waste such an instrument."
4:15 , 4:25 : *Proceeds to play VERY well*
HMMMMMMM
Really puts a new meaning into "No effort November" eh? (Excellent playing, Alec)
Could also be multiple takes of songs that are well known.
Like the cell phone ring tone.
The user interface on those Yamaha digital pianos is definitely designed with visual aesthetics first and foremost. They're making something for traditionally-trained piano players, so it's as familiar and "classic" as possible. And it looks like a "serious" instrument, sitting there in the living room.
It makes for an interesting contrast with keyboards that are unapologetically synthesizers, which tend to have *a lot* of explicit controls, because radically changing the timbre of the instrument while playing is an essential part of modern synthesizer playing.
Yeah but some people will never touch those 120 setting, having them hidden can be a nice touch.
Unapologetically? As if synthesizers had to apologize for being a different instrument. I really don't know what do you mean by serious instrument but if you look at synthesizers in the same price range as quality pianos, you'll see a lot of serious instruments that you can't just turn on and play, they need these controls. I believe you either refer to cheap keyboards with "999 in 1" sounds or to arranging stations, which are kind of one-man-band instruments for event entertainers. But synthesizers are just a different thing.
Those controls do make sense. You end up playing the grand piano sound 95% of the time and just use one or two favourite voices 99% of the remaining 5% that you'll set without looking. Why ruin looks with buttons and make the price less competitive in the process?
The idea of serious instruments is a problem in a way of thinking imo
@Andrew_koala Don't be ridiculous, if every corporate name was in capitals text would look very strange. You're probably referring to the practice of full capitalisation in legal documents or company registrations but that doesn't apply to general writing
I have a CLP585. The main usage of that big box that "pretends" to be the string box ... is that Yamaha has set an arrangement of speakers throughout, aimed at making it sound better. And it really really does.
Is that the grand piano looking one? Don't those even adapt the sound depending on how far you open the lid, just like a real grand piano?
I think those things are great like for certain places (school classrooms) where there may not the space for a grand piano and not as stable an environment to keep everything in tuning. Plus saving the schools money they don't have on tuning.
And that is only one example.
Of course it is not a grand piano, and of course there is no comparison with a hughe Steinway grand piano for example. But does everyone who wants a nice and especially uncomplicated piano one of those?
Another plus if living in an apartment with neighbors who don't appreciate piano music, they usually can be played with headphones if it gets late in the evening
My local hospital lobby has a similar instrument. It sounds perfect.
@@alexanderkupke920 The 585 is the most kitted out of the upright style ones. They have a bunch of speakers and a few amplifiers arranged throughout the box with the goal of using it to make it sound like it's supposed to. And it works. That whole box is basically speakers, resonance, and echoes. Also, the CLP series is the more basic piano line, and the CVP series is the one with all the shiny extra stuff. And yes, being able to plug headphones into it is a great feature. I can also take midi out, if I were to get lost into synths, or take line outs into a behringer audio box that I also have, which then lets me record over USB on a computer.
I bought my wife a $700 Yamaha keyboard for Christmas a few years ago and it's great. She wanted a real piano, but after playing it for a little while, she fell in love with it. I've been binge-watching your videos for a couple of weeks. They're all great. And, you can play the piano!
Great video! Two things immediately strike me: One, what constitutes "no effort" for you results in a much better final product than 99.999% of RUclips stuff. Two: Of COURSE you're a guy who enjoys playing ragtime piano! Love it.
Ikr? I didn't expect anything else but Ragtime
Says his skills aren't worthy of a more expensive piano, then proceeds to flex on all of us. I've gained a whole new level of respect for you after this video. And the jokes are hilarious too. 😆
I use a midi controller with Addictive Keys on my computer, and there's one thing that they got veeeery right. If you hit a note with the sustain pedal depressed, other strings within that note's harmonic sequence will resonate and vibrate sympathetically, making the sound thiccer than it would be just holding down that note by itself. They baked this into the sound engine and it makes such an enormous difference in realism.
And that's why addictive keys > kontakt
I'm glad to have lived to see thiccnees as a concept applied to the mechanics (or electronics) of sound. I hope it will continue to prove versatile in increasingly numerous fields where thiccness can be quantified.
remember, kids: thicc harmonics save realisms (?)
Roland products, and Korg Flagship Workstations will also do this. Any keyboard instrument that uses “Modeling” technology will do that
I loved the Windows XP intro! LOL Your piano prowess is actually very impressive!
Iwanna know what the Yamaha model number is.
"I'm no professional pianist"......says as he plays a PERFECT rendition of THAT ringtone :))
while dead-ass staring right at us, lol
Vinheteiro impression
He even makes obligatory musician faces when playing.
The "side note" joke at 3:48 was the one that got me:))
As I've often seen from many RUclipsrs, you undersell yourself - you play nicely. That's no low effort.
In its white version, I occasionally jammed on this piano with other musicians in a local bar 3 years ago. After a while I got somehow accustomed to switching sounds, but I remember having to previously get a refresher from the PDF cheatsheet at home before leaving.
Good call on not touching polyphony - Marc Dotty approves.
Fun times. There's a whole "Mushroom Bar" playlist for those daring to kill their eardrums ;)
Have a lovely time & keep on raggin'
I can't believe I had to scroll down so far to see a comment about the side note joke. I'm dying over here and expected many of the comments to mention it.
@@Daktyl198 Fine humour is for the few ;) I guess you have to play the piano to get it. There was another one later: "on this note...".
@@Daktyl198 lol i just switched to sorting by time when he played the “sidenote”
"I'm not that proficient at piano"
>Proceeds to belt out one banger after the next
Man, I've been bingeing old TC videos recently, and I remember this one coming out at a really, REALLY dark time for me. Hard to believe it's almost a year old already. Looking forward to this year's NEN. However big or small the magnitude, thanks for helping me through some tough times.
The ''on that note'' joke just made my day haha! Thank you for showing us so many interesting things every week! Greetings from Germany
By the way, you underrate your piano skills, they're impressive! And I'd like to add that many digital synthesizers and even MIDI keyboards also use this UX
My introduction to ragtime came when I was in the U.S. Navy being trained to become an E.T. This was in 1962 at Treasure Island in San Francisco bay. I joined the little theater group and another member was both a pianist and a magician of some repute locally. We were the principal set builders for the production along with being cast members, so I got to hear him play a little Scott Joplin whenever the opportunity arose during that work. A school ended and i did not meet with him again, but the love of ragtime his playing induced did endure.
As you say the popularity of that genre tends to come and go over the years. Fast forward to about 25 years ago, as I recall and along with other vinyl versions of ragtime in my collection I found that he had published a box collection of the entire works of Scott Joplin. SO that is a long way of stating that indeed I have heard the more solemn and lovely pieces in his collected works.
I never tire of your sense of humor. The variety of subjects and consistency of entertainment and enrichment found in your content is nothing short of remarkable! Keep up the great work.
As long as we’re talking about Ragtime, it’s a little known fact Scott Joplin actually wrote an Opera as well.
His Elite Syncopations is always my favourite.
Every time you think you know a composer, turns out they did opera, too.
I wonder, if Beethoven get's a hard time because "For Elise" is (apparently) so simple....
Then i guess his other works are somewhat less ignored.
Alec's "no effort November", is better than most channel's full effort December
"It makes the piano quieter when it's depressed."
Bruh, same...
:'(
Them feels tho...
This video has made me suddenly realize how mechanically complicated 'real' pianos must be. Wow.
That "it even has a manual transmission, as you can see by the presence of a clutch pedal" literally had me laughing out loud 🤣🤣🤣
Save the manuals!
😂
I own a Honda Accord with a manual!😎
time to attach a stick shift to the piano
TC is elite confirmed
Absolutely the best video you have made so far, in my opinion.
From the boot tune to the explanation of the middle peddle nobody ever understood, you hit all of the reasons I continue to watch your videos.
The humorous and informative pick-me-up that I needed this weekend.
You have inspired me to go get an affordable keyboard, maybe even a keytar.
i think "best video so far" is a bit harsh for a confessed no effort video.He can make the most random topics interesting and entertaining. All of them are.
That's where his success (rightfully) comes from. I have neither dishwasher nor an sort of piono (beyond a phone app) and yet still liked the videos. (Liked as in liked them, not just samshing the button)
@@5Andysalive While you have a point, take it up with my opinion.
Effort =/= Quality
I have a higher end digital Yamaha piano and it has a function called "damper resonance" which mimics the sympathetic vibration you mentioned. As a seasoned piano player, you can really tell the difference. If I close my eyes I don't notice a difference between this and a real piano. I actually bought the piano because it was the cheapest model that had this capability. I've never noticed the reset you mentioned with the sustain pedal and repeating a chord -- I'm going to have to try that out!
Let us know what you find out!
Update: my piano handles this case correctly. For those wondering, it's a CLP-340
I was able to test a Yamaha P95 and can confirm that it also handles the sustain pedal case correctly
I am glad you mentioned this. I just posted this comment: "Back when I took piano as a kid, my teacher showed how you could use the pedals to get these wonderful harmonics. That is, you'd play like one or two chords, then use the pedals to allow the strings for keys you hadn't just played to vibrate--or something like that. It doesn't sound very "piano-like" at all, as the sounds weren't produced by hitting the strings with the hammers. It was entirely harmonic resonance. Does anyone know if any digital keyboards do this these days?"
Is that what you're talking about?
I wish I'd had the discipline to really practice when I was a kid. I hit a wall after several years, as computers occupied every moment of my free time. ;-) Plus, the computer is the ultimate machine for dilettantes.
@@bsadewitz I think you are talking about sympathetic resonance. My Yamaha does this slightly, but not nearly enough to match a normal piano. For example. Hold a C down without it playing. Hit a C above or below and it should sound the first C. They claim they have damper resonance...but that only happens when you hold the damper pedal down. Probably a CPU limitation, so find something higher end and it probably will do it with just holding notes down vs pedal.
4:33 I love the little messages you leave in the Closed Captioning sometimes.
I also love that you actually do Closed Captioning, unlike 99.99% of Youbers.
I'm not deaf, but I do have a slight loss in both ears technically, but I just hate if I can't hear a word or two. I don't have to rewind, just look down.
Although you talk much, much, much, much, more clearly than most Youbers.
YES! Youbers. It was a typo, but I like it since it's shorter to type over You Tu...
You know he's a true pianist because he makes funny faces when he plays
I was going to say similar. Musicians feel the music. No matter how good a musician one is.
But he always makes funny faces, which is part of the reason we all love him
Seth everman?
You're not a real pianist until you make weird vocalizations like Keith Jarrett
1:18 Definitely channeling Lord Vinheteiro
Of COURSE Alec can play the Windows start up theme and the iPhone ringtone 😂
I thought it was the nokia ring tone?
@@recklessroges it was definitely a nokia one)
@@recklessroges nah, it's an iphone ringtone
@@bamberghh1691 agreed, iPhone!
@@europeantechnic Nokia ring tone my friend .. I had like 6 of them during my life.
The video was already playing for a while when the realization came to me you've played the WinXP startup sound.. then I paused and bursted out laughing. I think I'll go and get another coffee.
This video could lead into a series about MIDI, just saying :)
I would love him to get into midi, especially diving into black midi. Also, for anyone curious and who knows about gaming keyboards (the kind for a pc) polyphony in electronic piano keyboards is equivalent to n-key rollover, meaning it's basically how many sounds can be processed at the same time.
Yes! MIDI was such an important step in modern musical tech. And such a brilliant design that it was nearly 40 years before the specs were upgraded. That's practically a geological age in the tech world.
I'd love a video series about MIDI and its history, as well as any previous formats (and why not talk about the history of synthesizers while we're at it?). to sum it up the MIDI standard was invented by Roland and Dave Smith/Sequential to unify the different standards of electronic instrument control at the time. Thus, the firs ever known MIDI messages were sent between a Roland synth and a Sequential synth.
A mention of Black Midi wouldn't hurt tho. It helps understand how the meaning of the word MIDI has gotten all around the place nowadays since its inception.
I tend to watch your videos when my husband is sleeping (because he doesn't appreciate the great RUclips channels) but I tell you he was lucky to sleep through this one. I almost laughed out loud SO MANY times.
A tree falling in the forest creates timber. A piano key falling produces timbre (/ˈtambər/).
Jokes on pronunciation pedantry aside, it takes crazy guts for a non-professional musician to share music online. Well done, and as always thank you for taking the time to document the interesting techy things that catch your fancy.
No it doesn't, it produces /tambrᵊ/. Just kidding, it produces /tɛ̃bʁ/! Wait that's wrong too, it... Get my point?
I’m surprised you didn’t mention one more specific advantage of a digital piano over a traditional piano: When your kids are practicing the same song for the 1,000th time, they have to use the headphones!!!
🎼🎶🎵🎶 🎧 😅
As someone who *was* that kid..... YES. Definitely a plus xD
I have a feeling you would do anything to delete "When the Saints Go Marching In" entirely from your memory
Now, if there is a way to digitalise wind instruments, especially bagpipes...
My kids' piano teacher nixxed that idea. We got a real piano instead, but I thought the Korg sounded fine.
I can't remember the source, but I remember reading that Maple Leaf was the very first recording to sell over a million copies if you count piano rolls as recordings (which you should). Joplin is fantastic. James Scott deserves more love as well.
Ive been a fan for a while but I just went back and I have a new found respect for your "content" Nice.
Alec: You can then have it read back to you the set speed.
Piano: 69
Alec: Nice.
Oh Alec, you just couldn't resist setting it to that speed for that reason! The way you said it so casually too just destroyed me!
XD
I thought I was watching one of the Linus Tech Tips channels at that moment.
Yup, that's when I said this video gets a like
LOL
Came here to say just that!!! 😂😂😂
9:50 just one minor observation (it's actually important): the key throws the mallet into the strings and that's why velocity is capable of describing the action quite precisely - and that's also the trick that made possible a keyboard instrument that could play the piano parts of music and the forte parts. Each piano key has tens of parts with complex features like una-corda and memorizing the dampers that were lifted when the concerto pedal was pressed. (both pedals are only found - afaik - on grands). Some pianos will also have a repetition feature on each key that will stop the mechanism from fully returning to the original position (for a short while) allowing for quicker repetitions of the same note. BTW, my test for digital pianos is to repeat a key very quickly so the key itself almost won't lift back - it produces a sound that I only heard on a physical modeling synthesizer called Pianoteq. Pianoteq will make that piano sound like a million dollars! (well, around 5 thousand dollars, actually) and costs a couple hundred bucks. I don't work at Modartt and don't even live in France - I just love the software.
Another comment thread described the una corda mechanism more clearly in mechanical terms, you may wish to join that instead of starting your own thread.
@toddbod94 😂 gottim
Throughout his description of how his keyboard worked I was wondering why someone hadn't "just" written a physics simulation by now. :V
@@Hansengineering There are absolutely physical modeling approaches to digital pianos. IIRC, the first digital piano worth a damn was made by Roland and it took that approach. But since memory and disk space became cheap, most people have gone the “deep sampling” route with some extra processing on top.
This video was a lot more interesting than I expected. Well done.
First time here?
@@Makeybussines actually no, I've been here a while which makes it even more impressive as I already have high expectations !
THANK YOU for the call-out of people who play ragtime at ridiculously fast speeds. One of my pet peeves. Joplin played his rags with a very deliberate articulation, a marcato almost on the back half of the beat. That gets lost when the tempo is being pushed.
Thanks for the special highlight on Scott Joplin! "Bethena" and "Solace" are incredible pieces that don't get enough love
As a Synth artist, I loved this video! Thanks Alec. Love your channel.
You had me in stitches of laughter when you played the Windows XP startup jingle and the iPhone opening ringtone, absolute classic, I love it. I wish you'd ended the video by playing the Windows XP shut down theme.
That would have been perfect! 😂
Or some smooth jazz.
It hurts that as soon as I read the words “windows xp shut down theme” it played in my head
@@russellg1473 My sleepy brain first saw that as "Windows XP shut up theme"
I had to scroll too far down to find someone else that appreciated this. ^_^
I can't stop binging this channel. I love learning so much about obsolete technology.
Oooh man, this video is full of great moments. It lifts up my heart to see and hear you play and dive into digital pianos, but then there's all those priceless gags and side notes on top of that. Please keep them coming!
This dude is a great comedic writer and straight man presenter to boot. Super talented and brilliant content.
1:25 in particular is great.
Alec: "on a side note"
_plays highest note on keyboard_
"The Entertainer", Played as intended is STILL one of my ALL-TIME favorite tunes!
Rod Miller (Former, famous Coke Corner pianist at Disneyland) was famous for his "off-key" Entertainer rendition where he would miss the last note of the hook by a half-tone. He learned the gag from the original Coke Corner pianist Rudy de la Mor. Rod is the one heard on the DL music albums and CDs playing the Maple Leaf Rag quickly. He started at DL in 1968 and retired in 2005.
as a hobby pianist and former piano teacher, I really enjoyed this one a lot. it's rare to hear someone talk about the instrument itself in a way that so thoroughly understands and appreciates all its little niceties.
My big sis plays the piano. Did that a lot when we were kids/young. It's the sound of my life. I was always amazed at her skill.
Hey, great video! A strange beast it is. Just a minor “correction”: timbre is usually pronounced “tamber” rather than timber, owing to its French origins :)
thank you!!! drove me nuts.
Embarrassingly, all these years I thought they were two separate-but-similar musical concepts. Thanks :D
glad someone said it, I knew I wasn't the only one 😅
I just assumed that’s how Americans say it
@@RochRich. no it's most often "tamber" in America as well, at least anywhere I've talked to people
The lack of sympathetic resonance is one of the reasons I switched from using the built in sounds of my digital piano to software instruments on a computer. There have been incredible strides made in physical modelling over the last 10 years or so, to the point that there is virtually no need for huge sample libraries any more.
The Giant!! By native instruments. Sexy sexy plugin.
Pianoteq is awesome!
Pianoteq FTW!
embrace the synthwave.
pianoteq is nucking futs
You kinda missed a very important point:
Digital keyboards can interface directly with a computer for sound production.
This is especially useful for retro sound emulation where you want voices like pure sine or sawtooth.
there's almost no reason to buy one of these cheap digital pianos for sound production. unless you have some sort of crazy high end digital keyboard(s), synthesizing sounds yourself within the DAW gives you wayyy more control than you'd ever get just from sampling a recording of you playing. even if you don't know sound design, you have a practically infinite amount of sound presets to choose from, if you just look for & download them. especially for simple shit like sines and saws like you said, even the most basic of VSTs can synthesize those sounds, and you can mess about with the oscillator however you'd like to, unlike these pre-baked epiano sounds
@@atl6s It is about having a natural interface with keys and producing naturally imperfect timing.
I wouldn't say he "missed" it. A) I don't think this particular keyboard doubles as a MIDI controller, but maybe it's got a USB out or something? B) MIDI is a whole can of worms that is probably beyond the intended scope of discussing this particular device with a little background in the general technology behind it.
MIDI can be translated to and from basically any input device. You can use a normal computer keyboard to input MIDI, or you can translate MIDI notes to trigger basically any hotkey/script you can think of on a computer. Want to use a gaming controller to manipulate your DAW? Easy. Want to play a secret chord on your MIDI controller to open your private folders? You can do that too. There really isn't a limit on what's possible once you start discussing MIDI beyond it's core basics, but that's many steps beyond the specific device being used here as it's being discussed mainly on it's own rather than as an external device connected to a much, much more complicated machine.
@@BigDaddyWes This keyboard actually doubles as a MIDI controller. It has a USB connection and interface, even cheap keyboards have been able to do this for several years now. It just doesn't have MIDI ports for controlling older sound generators, unfortunately.
@@atl6s Fair but I think it depends on what your background with piano is. If you've been playing for like a decade (or less idk that's not me) and subsequently move to working with a DAW, of course you'd probably like to use those skills, you've been building them for thousands of hours
I know that I'm late to the party, but excellent episode! I have both an electric keyboard and a real piano. I tend to use the electric, because the accoustic piano desperately needs to be tuned, and that's expensive. Great explanation of how it works. And I think that you are a very good pianist. Rag is not easy to play and you have a wonderful feel for it.
wait... is that key-switch-speed thing for loudness the reason why the loudness parameter in MIDI files is called "velocity"?
It is called "velocity" because it is a measure of how quickly the key is moving when it is pressed down. If you hit the key harder, the velocity is higher, and vice-versa.
Yeah, as it isn't loudness, it should not scale linearly.
No lol
@@SukSukulent you dare imply Loudness is on a linear scale!?!
@@SukSukulent Loudness isn't linear. 50 dB is twice as loud as 40, 60 is twice as loud as 50 etc.
So glad you mentioned "Solace". It's actually my favorite Joplin piece. There's something bittersweet about it that I've always loved.
A perfect a capella arrangement of Solace: ruclips.net/video/K82sLRNYu0c/видео.html
And a perfect use of the arrangement by magician Harry Anderson: ruclips.net/video/JlthbJTv39U/видео.htmlm15s
I've been reviewing electronic keyboards since the beginning of 2020, and I've also been subscribed to you for a while because you've got some great content and, in my opinion, reliable information that I couldn't agree more with, but never did I once think you'd do a video remotely similar to this topic. I don't think you'd understand just how shocked and surprised I was when I got the notification for this video. I knew I had to see it as soon as possible when I got it, and I was not disappointed. You did an amazing job with this video, and I thank you so much for _brightening_ up my day with this (sorry not sorry)! Also, you play so much better than I ever will, and I'm impressed!
Same.
Pleasantly surprised at his skill level too. I’m glad he clearly actually knows how to play piano and not just pretends to play.
I can't believe I missed this video back when it came out.
I'm impressed that you brought up the point about sympathetic vibrations. I haven't kept up with electronic piano tech, but I'm not aware of any electronic pianos that do a good job on that.
Reverb effect helps.
A reverb that only turns on, when you press the sustain pedal, would be great.
The latest models, also have the mechanical sound, of the pedal being released.
As the "%100 very real officially recognized" biggest fan of electronic instruments, nothing would please me more than to see you talk about more electronic instruments, particularly synthesizers as they have some interesting history.
Side note: My middle school music teacher once let me look through the old band closet, and we found a midi controller shaped like a guitar. It had 6 buttons on each fret representing the the strings on a real guitar and it reminded me of the way you described the shifting function of the keyboard in your video. At the time I was 13, had 0 experience with electronic instruments, and I could never figure the dang thing out, but it really left an impression on me, and it would be really cool to see something similar again, even if not in person.
I wish I could find a picture or something, it really reminded me of that "early 90's, plastic, not-so-chrome" look. you know the one.
Your piano playing ability is far beyond any I could hope for, so don't knock it, some of us are very impressed!
Have you checked if there's a firmware upgrade available?
That sustain pedal bug seems severe enough and the app might allow to upgrade the piano's firmware.
I am morally opposed to updating a piano's firmware.
@@TechnologyConnections think of it as tuning up ;-)
Real (acoustic) pianos have to be re-tuned on a regular basis too.
@@TechnologyConnections so you would be agast at the time I had to do a firmware update to fix a bug?
I own the predessor to this piano from about 15 years ago I think. The sustain on mine works correctly however It has a more limited piano key interface however.
Also it looks like they are using the exact same panel design for the case!
Edit I went to look at the model and it's a Yamaha CLP-115
@@TechnologyConnections even some guitar tube amps have firmware updates sometimes
Dude so pro on dishwashers but we didn't know he was a pianist
Of course, you could always bypass the internal audio engine and connect via MIDI to copious amounts of piano engines that will not only fix the sustain issue, but will give a far more realistic piano sound.
Sure, but it always feels like you're losing so much of the function of the keyboard when you do that. At that point, why not just get something that functions as a MIDI controller only?
Actually, the MIDI protocol does not support 100% of the possible inputs a modern digital piano can react to. For example, sustain pedal is just on/off for standard MIDI, but as demonstrated here, the piano can react to partial application. Similarly, MIDI has only 128 possible values for the force of a played note, which is not actually enough to fully capture the possible nuances of a piano performance.
MIDI's great and useful, but the actual instrument has the potential to leverage the performance much more realistically, and the more expensive pianos do in fact do that.
@@harvey66616 not true. I connect to the PC via midi and the sustain certainly works variably.
@@Kapomafioso That's fine. If your device is extending the 0-127 values that the sustain command allows, count yourself lucky. But the MIDI specification doesn't support that usage. Anything less than 64 is strictly "off" and anything equal or more is strictly "on".
More to the point, that single example doesn't in any way refute the _fact_ that while MIDI can do a lot, the actual instrument will _always_ have access to a finer-grained view of the performance than MIDI will allow.
(Well, until manufacturers have adopted and implemented MIDI 2.0...that's a whole other ball of wax, and one hopes it will address at least _some_ of the limitations that exist in the original MIDI specification.)
@@harvey66616 honestly the midi 2.0 spec is just a mess. It kinda feels like everytone randomly suggested features and the designers tried to fit everything in. Honestly I feel like rather than a midi rewrite we need a whole new protocol
Skeuomorphic was a new word for me. In case any one else was wondering:
"A skeuomorph is a derivative object that retains ornamental design cues from structures that were necessary in the original. E.g. pottery embellished with imitation rivets reminiscent of similar pots made of metal"
Skeuomorphism became a somewhat popular term due to the iOS 7 design controversy around 2013. Might be an interesting rabbit hole to go down :)
What, you've never used Apple products? Steve Jobs insisted on overusing skeuomorphisms well after the user base had taken to computers as the natural thing rather than an imitation of another thing.
Anyway, many videos about Apple and Steve use that word -- a lot!
Like the metal bars on a modern hearse
Or my favorite example, the phone icon on your smartphone. Also the save icon.
skeuomorphic design predates the IOS and Steve Jobs though he and Apple became famous for it, especially in IOS. For example, the Floppy disk icon remains for saving files in many apps despite floppies no longer being used by most people on modern computers. The infamous failure known as Microsoft Bob, an alternate desktop environment from the early 90s for Win 3.1 used it to represent a home and office space with a Rolodex representing your contacts app, a wall calendar for your calendar app, a bookshelf with books on It for reference apps, a notepad for the notes app, a checkbook for a financial app, and so forth. The idea of using real life objects to represent digital version of them In software goes back to the early days of GUI-based OS’s and software in the 80s.
I'd absolutely love to see more about musical instruments, both videos like this where you look at how engineers have developed increasingly accurate digital replications of acoustic instruments, as well as instruments that can only exist due to our technological developments (there are tons of newer boutique electronic instruments but a good simple example would be the theremin).
I've been researching digital pianos to purchase lately and love your deep dives into topics, please keep this one going!
Just wait until Alec starts explaining binary, hexadecimal and the entire substructure of MIDI. tbh I think it would make a great video since it is rather straight forward and simple to understand if it is explained well. I find it fascinating that the MIDI spec was created in the early 80s, and while everything technological around it has iterated to be unrecognisable MIDI has stayed unchanged in 40 years.
Yes, MIDI one of these things that should have been disposed of decades ago in favour of something that actually works properly, but for some reasons nobody ever got around to doing this.
@@leftaroundabout What are you talking about, MIDI works greatly
@@lumer2b I agree. I think that is exactly why it hasn't been changed. Why reinvent the wheel, when the one we've got rolls just fine?
@@ahobimo732 Indeed; as the saying goes "Don´t fix it if it ain´t broke"
Now that's something i would like to see.
Not that i don't see his other videos, but i only know the concept of MIDI, not how it works and it would be awesome
Timbre is pronounced “tamber”. Idk why, probably a translation thing, but that’s one of the few things I remember from my 3 years of music theory lol.
That's what they want you to think.
"timber" is an acceptable pronunciation too in US English (according to Webster), but "tambre" is more common
@@TechnologyConnections It’s a conspiracy…I sense a spin-off series. 😉😂
The "tam-ber" pronunciation comes from being an approximation of the pronunciation of the original French word. The "tim-ber" pronunciation obviously comes from reading the word using typical English phonetics, which is what naturally happens to words that are read more often than they are spoken.
@@TechnologyConnections The piano reminds me of 5000 Fingers of Dr.T which is a very old movie in where there is a massive row of piano keys.
I had no idea you played piano! You continue to surprise me.
Or at the very least you meme on piano.
He has been surprising me from the start
@@DyslexicMitochondria your username made me click on your profile. Your channel is a hidden gem bro
@@tomhappening Your comment made me click on his profile. I'm now a subscriber.
I was genuinely impressed
@@DyslexicMitochondria subbed too
I never expected to see this channel talking about the importance of half pedal. Most pianists never even talk about it! Kudos to you, sir!
The level of education that you provide in obscure objects and sciences is outstanding. Hands down one of the best RUclips content creators out there. Keep it up.
Alec, you got me to walk off twice in the first minute... the XP boot-up and the manual transmission... nicely done.
For those curious about "polyphony", simply put, it is a digital keyboard's ability to play multiple notes/sounds at once - not just per voice, but for ALL voices. In older synthesizers, this could be 16-32 notes/sounds. If you had a keyboard that could play rhythm, bass, and orchestral accompaniment, they would also... play into... that limit. More sounds take more processing, and are usually in bases of 2 (i.e. 8, 16, 32, etc.), so the more notes you wanted to play, the more you had to pay, and if I remember correctly, the most recent note would usually cut off the "oldest" note. You're welcome for this useless information. :D
Polyphony: it's not monotonous. ಠ_̆ಠ
Except "polyphony" can also mean completely different non-electronic things.
To your last point, so-called "note stealing" algorithms became much more sophisticated in the late 90s through mid 2000s than the simple "oldest note" technique of the earlier years.
My old Kawai ES3, for instance, had "only" 32 voices of stereo polyphony (which it could stretch to up to 64 by selectively converting some held voices to mono), and yet I seldom if ever noticed notes get taken away, even while playing lots of notes while holding down the pedal. The algorithm was excellent at figuring out which notes to toss without the player noticing much (if at all).
I imagine these tricks are still on tap in newer instruments, but improvements in technology have allowed modern digital pianos to trivially have multiple hundreds of notes of polyphony (my current Kawai ES8 has 256, and that's actually rather modest compared to some of the competition), so it comes up a lot less often in practice.
For a couple of non-power-of-two polyphony examples, the Phillips SAA1099 could do 6 notes, the Yamaha YM3812 could do 9, and the YMF262 could do 18.
If those chips sound familiar, it's probably because they were all used by Creative Labs on their ISA sound cards.
Great video. First time I saw keys of a musical keyboard being reassigned to different functions I thought it was really cool. Its almost like having a key or keys on an old pipe organ open up a secret doorway. MIDI keyboards often have keys reassigned by different computer software and some MIDI keyboards actually have color changing LEDs above the keys to indicate changes in the programming. For example if the section of the keyboard is a different instrument or if a section is being used to as some other control. I enjoyed your explanation of how a traditional piano works and some of the ways they try to get a digital keyboard to emulate the touch and sound. Digital sampling of different instruments is pretty fascinating and can get pretty complex depending on the instrument and even the way they emulate strings, or woodwinds that are controlled by bows and breath and map those controls and the sounds of them to a keyboard.
I’m a music student. And I truly was impressed to hear how much you know about music aside from the technology. And your playing was also much better than I was expecting. But. At 10:15 you used the word timbre, and you pronounced it timber instead of tamber. And that really got to me.
Gotta love a UI that requires you to look at the manual every time. Really enjoyed the walk-through on this one. I stopped piano lessons (and practicing) in 6th grade. 30 years later, I wish I had kept up with it. Oh, and around here, the "idiot songs" for piano were always Heart and Soul or Fur Elize. Thanks for sharing!
Hey, I've stopped playing as a child as well but picked it up again recently. (I am 34 right now)
Get a cheap (and good) used E-Piano - like the yamaha P80, which I got - and start again.
You'd be surprised how much of what you've learned comes back again.
And if it turnes out that is not for you, you can sell the piano again at virtually no loss.
I suspect you would get familiar with what note, and therefore what key, controls the functions most important to you. Being a pianist already would make this mapping pretty easy to remember.
What a wonderful and informative video! I don't play, but I find music and instruments fascinating, and hearing this discussed from a technological standpoint was really, really neat! Definitely one of my favorite videos from you so far!
This ties in nicely with Techmoan's video about the retro but functional reel to reel player that uses cassette sized film and a modified cassette deck. They spent a lot of time to engineer a new system that uses a proprietary media format that is based off one that is widely used.
tape, not film, but yes.
@@johndododoe1411 it’s the same thing. But yes music tape not photographic film.
Your take on Scott Joplin was absolutely, and objectively correct. Most of his music was meant to be played at a moderate, to rather slow tempo. It has a lot more feel when it is played properly, and once heard in the correct manner one becomes much more aware of why Joplin truly was the father of modern Jazz, and popular music more generally. He really was what could be defined as the first “pop star”. Even if he was screwed out of all that he truly deserved while still alive.
This is why racism is a cancer that needs to be eradicated from civilization entirely.
-sincerely,
A massive music nerd who’s been fortunate enough to live life on the road, in smoke filled, beer drenched road houses playing to strangers since he was 14 years old.