Thanks, Dr.Ross. I'm happy that you're giving a voice to the stigmatized topic of trauma and DID. I felt like no one cared about this for so long in my life.
Well this has been amazing. Now 63 years old. Wanting to write my story. Yes, write a book. I am amazed I have made it this far and the gratitude is what compels me to write the book of hope to those dealing with everything that caused such disorders. Dissociative Identity Disorder placed me in a very empathetic approach to identity politics. My my, my we are so much more than our biological existence. However, We would not experience life without an appreciation for our biological beginnings. No animal will need to take the journey of self awareness. Only now I can say, 'It wasn't easy, but it was worth it. '
it is a disservice to call these things "disorders", especially since it deepoy affects the ifentity of the child diagnosed with such fishing labels. The truth is we are living in a dying and confused and violent civilization. The symptoms of existential harm are natural reactions to the severe violence and abuse. The doctors should have listened to Karl Jaspers and Jean Gebser and learned acategorical/aperspectival methods of labelling. "Dissociative behavior" is better than "dissociative disorder". Mental-emotional phenomena are wuasi-non-visible and tricky to understand, since so much depends on the consciousness and perception of the victim or client. Kids beckme hyper-identified with the label and it leads to more compounding feelings and identities of shame. Karl Jasoer advocated using labels in private and/or only with other professionals, as a method of streamlining client data and research. He cautioned against using these labels publically. I advocate for new ways of doing this. Psychiatry has a very dark history. Kelloggs corn flakes anyone?
I’ve struggled w so much of this from depersonalizing to depression, anxious attacher, self doubt, feeling like a bad apple…..and it’s hard to understand where it comes from because I really had loving, attentive parents… I know they worked a lot and I didn’t like that but on the other hand they were present for every baseball game and holiday etc.. very supportive… yet I’ve always felt unsupported. When I was 4 I did witness the challenger space shuttle explode from my front yard in Florida and noticed feeling of doom and anxiety after that.. but despite a great deal of personal work and progress much of this shadows me still to this day
Brilliant. I am trying to fix my own traumas- it's tricky. I went to a therapist at age 15- one time. She said it was my parents, not me. My father went once with my mother- and, never again.
I appreciate Dr Ross's clear and basic explanations that create the ground work for dealing with various issues, including DID. fight, flight, freeze /collapse
Would add the sensation of feeling stupid to the list of emotional responses to being abused by someone close. A sense of being a mark - gullible, vulnerable, useless. Even knowing you’re not bad but obviously deserving of the acts because you’re so dumb as to not see it coming. Random violence is one thing. Letting someone get close enough to do it over and over again…that’s on you. So the voices say…
I just got one of his books. Waiting for it to come in the mail. Do you know about satanic ritual abuse? Thats the book I got from him. Called S.R.A. principals and treatments.
Important point : several discussions with my therapist collegues made me realize a significant difference between therapist goals and clients goals. Lots of therapists want the reunification of parts. Clients just need every part of them to be understood and comunicate safely.
@@A-sh1eh If a system is working collaboratively then they are functional. You cannot make a system become a single unless they truly want to. The damage can be devastating. Just like everyone with a trauma related disability, the support of those around them is gold.
I was bullied very badly while at my second boarding school back in the 1980’s……My parents eventually removed me from the school but It was possibly a little too late because It took me months to feel as if I was real again it was very very scary, I used to pinch myself and ask my mum if I was really alive….felt as if I was in a dream state …I was given homeopathic treatment but no therapy or counseling. Thank you for all your amazing work and these wonderful talks .
I lived in England. I really questioned how these small children could be sent away to boarding school. I think it's more traumatic generally and bullying seems endemic. So sorry for your painful experience.
@Vanessa Sworder Could you please tell me what homeopathic product helped you? Did it help? Have you experienced depersonalization again in your adult life?
I went to Dr Ross’s trauma model therapy classes twice while inpatient at Forest View hospital in Grand Rapids. The program itself was great and life changing, but the hospital is a dumpster fire and dangerous. I wish Dr Ross would offer these classes on an outpatient basis or have his teacher there (who is wonderful) make videos of her classes so that more people would have access to this information. If the only way to get help from the trauma program is to be suicidally depressed, which is the only way to go inpatient, that might not be an optimal way or time to learn this information. It also excludes a huge population of clients who aren’t suicidal or can’t get into this hospital, who could benefit from Dr Ross’s work. In other words, I wish there were other ways of getting the help I need other than a suicide attempt…
What is your opinion on hospitals and how hospitals treat and help inpatient clients with mental health issues? I'd love to hear your response, as I have been an inpatient at hospitals as well.
I WISH THIS BRILLIANT DR. WAS TRAINING PSYCHIATRISTS IN CANADA BECAUSE “WE DESPERATELY NEED” DRS. TO TREAT CDN. PATIENTS WHO SUFFER WITH PTSD, D.I.D., BPD, ETC, BECAUSE WE HAVE A “BIG SHORTAGE” OF PSYCHIATRISTS & WE’RE LOSING FAR TOO MANY CDNS. TO SUICIDE, ADDICTION- 🇨🇦
I don’t know if he is not teaching in Canada yet he is from Canada. He was the first to write a book about MPD/DID in Canada. Frank Putnam was the first to write a book about MPD/DID in the USA.
You are right about help in Canada. Colin comes from Canada because he wasn’t supported in his DID work. I have DID and had thirty years of self-harm. There is no good help as far as I know here for people of low income. That is Alberta Canada. I heal on my own but what a struggle.
Andrew Hubermans lab at Stanford has published research on how eye movement, or any bilateral physical stimulation, uncouples the amygdala from the sympathetic response to perceived threat by simulating the brain to release microdoses of dopamine. Interesting stuff!
I'm not up to speed with many of the ideas touched on and could do with a better education in mental health but I found this fascinating and so very engaging. Perhaps bc I'm a mammal who's been through the odd problem but mostly because of the succinct and accessible delivery of the speaker. . As more and more kids are identified as having some sort of syndrome and so many given meds that have no.business in a young developing brain it seems like a revolutionary idea that the child's action might be a reaction to some unspoken psychodrama in the family . I still can't believe kids are getting diagnosed with mh problems that need a lifetimes worth of meds and big pharma lobbyists opinions seem to be unchallenged. The more I.learn.about dissociation and attachment the more I want to learn and understand .
I do have to say the only thing I have an issue with is EMDR in dissociative identity patients. I have DID and as soon as we started EMDR, things got worse. A lot of other dissociative patients I know experience this as well. Not to mention, a lot of systems (referring to the system of fragmented personality) don’t really want to get rid of alters or integrate; they just want to be able to function.
There are a few trauma therapists that know how to use EMDR with DID. I see one of them. She is working on a new book, and has some chapters in other people's books on DID and EMDR. Unless a therapist can explain, in detail, how the protocol differs, don't do EMDR if you have DID. Nobody needs to get worse. This is a huge problem. I worked hard to find an expert.
I’m wondering if it didn’t work because there wasn’t enough cooperation between parts before starting EMDR. Dr Ross addressed this at the end with the last question. The reason I believe this is the case is because at the end of your comment you said, ‘they just want to be able to function’. What I think he is saying is the cooperative functioning needs to be in place before EMDR. It’s a shame that the practitioners didn’t see that so they had a bad experience.
@@pamrusso1087 I cannot share her name, but I can direct you to the ISST-D website. They should have references, and their members are more DID-aware than average. You can also search research articles on EMDR with dissociative clients, and look up any and all of the authors.
Thank you so much for this! It’s really helped in my self healing from the causes of dissociation and more importantly my understanding of what’s actually happening. Such a relief to hear you say step back, pace, see the dissociation as a protection device. Off to your book & website, wish you were available here in UK; b’ all help here on nhs unless one is almost dead!! Bought some therapy and EMDR 2 years back; a good start but felt like I’ve walked into a wall ever since! I’m lucky to have a great GP. Thanks again.
I am interested in hearing thoughts on what happens and why/how often it happens that in a vulnerable child, the dissociation/fragmentation does NOT occur, even in extreme cases of abuse. What I mean to say, what if the child sees and accepts what is happening and works on the premise that the perpetrator is two things; a loving but flawed/violent/abusive/angry (delete as applicable!) person. Is there a person-specific indicator of the split from experiencing trauma to the step further of dissociation FROM it? Hope that question made sense!
I was addicted to cannabis for a long time. Too much is not good for you because you have to deal with people who want put you on other drugs via prescription by a doctor or psychiatry. And that is a vicious circle, with way more destructive drugs than a smoking a joint. I smoke once every week now for my epilepsy and other healing benefits that weed provides. But this is my opinion and it helps me personally..to defend myself from headinvaders, citizens with a policecap on their head all the time. I shout and raise my voice because everyone is so toxic, judgemental, misinformed and invasive. And I don't care if they put me in the fascist corner mental health category...😂
I'm DID, only a year diagnosed but aware of it sort of since 71. I'd call it a coping strategy, it can be a disorder if the coping strategy is out of control and creating issues. If the Parts are communicating and living in harmony then the DID isn't an issue Just how I see it
Anger is confusion with energy , depression is confusion without energy . How to shift back to neutral ? Match the energy , or , match the confusion . No energy ? Do math paroblems , like soduku , Too much energy ? Go release big energy in a place where you are totally familiar with , wash the car , wash the floor , walk or run in a place you ALREADY KNOW WELL - Angry ? Confusion with energy -- do something confusing , like eat ketchuo on vanilla ice cream ,
The lack of warmth and compassion expressed in this presentation is striking. Not sure how that happens, but the disconnect between the words and the affect is disturbing.
It could be because he isn't speaking to an audience IRL. He gave a lecture at GRCC and he's way more animated and makes lots of little jokes. A lot of speakers do struggle to speak more animatedly when doing webinars because they have no audience energy to feed off of.
Colin Ross often talks from the perspective of a sceintist and one who actually gets met with his fair share of ridicule and mockery attacking his ideas. I think he adopts a slightly non-chalant attitude when speaking of his work and is witty because is wants the focus to be on the data and the meta of the science not so much on the victims on a personal basis
Thanks, Dr.Ross. I'm happy that you're giving a voice to the stigmatized topic of trauma and DID. I felt like no one cared about this for so long in my life.
Dr. Ross is someone who actually care's about mental health and I will definitely be reading his books.
Well this has been amazing. Now 63 years old. Wanting to write my story. Yes, write a book. I am amazed I have made it this far and the gratitude is what compels me to write the book of hope to those dealing with everything that caused such disorders. Dissociative Identity Disorder placed me in a very empathetic approach to identity politics. My my, my we are so much more than our biological existence. However, We would not experience life without an appreciation for our biological beginnings. No animal will need to take the journey of self awareness. Only now I can say, 'It wasn't easy, but it was worth it. '
Keep me posted at Expose Evil channel about that book.
it is a disservice to call these things "disorders", especially since it deepoy affects the ifentity of the child diagnosed with such fishing labels. The truth is we are living in a dying and confused and violent civilization. The symptoms of existential harm are natural reactions to the severe violence and abuse. The doctors should have listened to Karl Jaspers and Jean Gebser and learned acategorical/aperspectival methods of labelling. "Dissociative behavior" is better than "dissociative disorder". Mental-emotional phenomena are wuasi-non-visible and tricky to understand, since so much depends on the consciousness and perception of the victim or client. Kids beckme hyper-identified with the label and it leads to more compounding feelings and identities of shame. Karl Jasoer advocated using labels in private and/or only with other professionals, as a method of streamlining client data and research. He cautioned against using these labels publically. I advocate for new ways of doing this. Psychiatry has a very dark history. Kelloggs corn flakes anyone?
I wish someone would study me and my DID
"Anger is the best anti depressant on the market" ...that is deep
but anger will guarantee the abuse we all are so frantic to avoid.
Please keep this uploaded. I love to listen to Dr colin ross' lectures or words
Dr. Colin Ross is an amazing man. His work extraordinary. His books are excellent too.
Wait until you hear him speak in a room of patients. Not so excellent. He would much rather speak to professionals.
@@Cathy-xi8cb Do you know about SRA?
I’ve struggled w so much of this from depersonalizing to depression, anxious attacher, self doubt, feeling like a bad apple…..and it’s hard to understand where it comes from because I really had loving, attentive parents… I know they worked a lot and I didn’t like that but on the other hand they were present for every baseball game and holiday etc.. very supportive… yet I’ve always felt unsupported. When I was 4 I did witness the challenger space shuttle explode from my front yard in Florida and noticed feeling of doom and anxiety after that.. but despite a great deal of personal work and progress much of this shadows me still to this day
Brilliant. I am trying to fix my own traumas- it's tricky. I went to a therapist at age 15- one time. She said it was my parents, not me. My father went once with my mother- and, never again.
Thank you, Dr. Colin Ross. Excellent information and most helpful.
I appreciate Dr Ross's clear and basic explanations that create the ground work for dealing with various issues, including DID.
fight, flight, freeze /collapse
Would add the sensation of feeling stupid to the list of emotional responses to being abused by someone close. A sense of being a mark - gullible, vulnerable, useless.
Even knowing you’re not bad but obviously deserving of the acts because you’re so dumb as to not see it coming.
Random violence is one thing. Letting someone get close enough to do it over and over again…that’s on you.
So the voices say…
This video is packed full of knowledge and insight. Thank you so much for making this lecture available to everyone!
I just got one of his books. Waiting for it to come in the mail. Do you know about satanic ritual abuse? Thats the book I got from him. Called S.R.A. principals and treatments.
Dr. Ross is amazing!
Thank you for such an accurate perspective and knowledge of dissociation.
Important point : several discussions with my therapist collegues made me realize a significant difference between therapist goals and clients goals. Lots of therapists want the reunification of parts. Clients just need every part of them to be understood and comunicate safely.
There's also a step after understanding and communication, and that's collaboration and working together as a system.
and you continue to break other people around you by not being whole, its a disorder for a reason
@@A-sh1eh If a system is working collaboratively then they are functional. You cannot make a system become a single unless they truly want to. The damage can be devastating. Just like everyone with a trauma related disability, the support of those around them is gold.
I was bullied very badly while at my second boarding school back in the 1980’s……My parents eventually removed me from the school but It was possibly a little too late because It took me months to feel as if I was real again it was very very scary, I used to pinch myself and ask my mum if I was really alive….felt as if I was in a dream state …I was given homeopathic treatment but no therapy or counseling.
Thank you for all your amazing work and these wonderful talks .
I lived in England. I really questioned how these small children could be sent away to boarding school. I think it's more traumatic generally and bullying seems endemic. So sorry for your painful experience.
Im sorry this happened, you deserve the best
@Vanessa Sworder Could you please tell me what homeopathic product helped you? Did it help? Have you experienced depersonalization again in your adult life?
@@ritamariekelley4077 thank you that’s very kind 💗
@@irenaw2504 Gosh I was 11 and that was nearly four decades ago I can’t remember ….Bach flower remedies yes it has come back several times
That is just so wonderful. Just ran across this. Just wonderful.
I went to Dr Ross’s trauma model therapy classes twice while inpatient at Forest View hospital in Grand Rapids. The program itself was great and life changing, but the hospital is a dumpster fire and dangerous. I wish Dr Ross would offer these classes on an outpatient basis or have his teacher there (who is wonderful) make videos of her classes so that more people would have access to this information. If the only way to get help from the trauma program is to be suicidally depressed, which is the only way to go inpatient, that might not be an optimal way or time to learn this information. It also excludes a huge population of clients who aren’t suicidal or can’t get into this hospital, who could benefit from Dr Ross’s work. In other words, I wish there were other ways of getting the help I need other than a suicide attempt…
Great comment
What is your opinion on hospitals and how hospitals treat and help inpatient clients with mental health issues? I'd love to hear your response, as I have been an inpatient at hospitals as well.
I WISH THIS BRILLIANT DR. WAS TRAINING PSYCHIATRISTS IN CANADA BECAUSE “WE DESPERATELY NEED” DRS. TO TREAT CDN. PATIENTS WHO SUFFER WITH PTSD, D.I.D., BPD, ETC, BECAUSE WE HAVE A “BIG SHORTAGE” OF PSYCHIATRISTS & WE’RE LOSING FAR TOO MANY CDNS. TO SUICIDE, ADDICTION- 🇨🇦
I don’t know if he is not teaching in Canada yet he is from Canada. He was the first to write a book about MPD/DID in Canada. Frank Putnam was the first to write a book about MPD/DID in the USA.
You are right about help in Canada. Colin comes from Canada because he wasn’t supported in his DID work. I have DID and had thirty years of self-harm. There is no good help as far as I know here for people of low income. That is Alberta Canada. I heal on my own but what a struggle.
Andrew Hubermans lab at Stanford has published research on how eye movement, or any bilateral physical stimulation, uncouples the amygdala from the sympathetic response to perceived threat by simulating the brain to release microdoses of dopamine. Interesting stuff!
Amazing Webinar, thank you.
I'm not up to speed with many of the ideas touched on and could do with a better education in mental health but I found this fascinating and so very engaging. Perhaps bc I'm a mammal who's been through the odd problem but mostly because of the succinct and accessible delivery of the speaker. .
As more and more kids are identified as having some sort of syndrome and so many given meds that have no.business in a young developing brain it seems like a revolutionary idea that the child's action might be a reaction to some unspoken psychodrama in the family .
I still can't believe kids are getting diagnosed with mh problems that need a lifetimes worth of meds and big pharma lobbyists opinions seem to be unchallenged.
The more I.learn.about dissociation and attachment the more I want to learn and understand .
I think Dr. Amen would like this.
Yes, can you imagine a two hour conversation between the two of them?
Thank you, Dr Ross.
I do have to say the only thing I have an issue with is EMDR in dissociative identity patients. I have DID and as soon as we started EMDR, things got worse. A lot of other dissociative patients I know experience this as well. Not to mention, a lot of systems (referring to the system of fragmented personality) don’t really want to get rid of alters or integrate; they just want to be able to function.
There are a few trauma therapists that know how to use EMDR with DID. I see one of them. She is working on a new book, and has some chapters in other people's books on DID and EMDR. Unless a therapist can explain, in detail, how the protocol differs, don't do EMDR if you have DID. Nobody needs to get worse. This is a huge problem. I worked hard to find an expert.
I’m wondering if it didn’t work because there wasn’t enough cooperation between parts before starting EMDR. Dr Ross addressed this at the end with the last question. The reason I believe this is the case is because at the end of your comment you said, ‘they just want to be able to function’. What I think he is saying is the cooperative functioning needs to be in place before EMDR. It’s a shame that the practitioners didn’t see that so they had a bad experience.
@@ArtyAntics yes, this is what I’m thinking happened. I was unaware there was protocol for those with DID or OSDD.
@@Cathy-xi8cb can I connect with you regarding your therapist ? I am looking
@@pamrusso1087 I cannot share her name, but I can direct you to the ISST-D website. They should have references, and their members are more DID-aware than average. You can also search research articles on EMDR with dissociative clients, and look up any and all of the authors.
Thank you so much for this! It’s really helped in my self healing from the causes of dissociation and more importantly my understanding of what’s actually happening. Such a relief to hear you say step back, pace, see the dissociation as a protection device. Off to your book & website, wish you were available here in UK; b’ all help here on nhs unless one is almost dead!! Bought some therapy and EMDR 2 years back; a good start but felt like I’ve walked into a wall ever since! I’m lucky to have a great GP. Thanks again.
Thank you so much for this! I have DID and I feel much more understanding of how I need to move forward.
same here, i always thought i was just different
I was the victim of CHRONIC bullying at school and I feel for the sexually emotionally ABUSED children..😭😓🙏💗💗
I am interested in hearing thoughts on what happens and why/how often it happens that in a vulnerable child, the dissociation/fragmentation does NOT occur, even in extreme cases of abuse. What I mean to say, what if the child sees and accepts what is happening and works on the premise that the perpetrator is two things; a loving but flawed/violent/abusive/angry (delete as applicable!) person. Is there a person-specific indicator of the split from experiencing trauma to the step further of dissociation FROM it? Hope that question made sense!
I was addicted to cannabis for a long time.
Too much is not good for you because you have to deal with people who want put you on other drugs via prescription by a doctor or psychiatry.
And that is a vicious circle, with way more destructive drugs than a smoking a joint.
I smoke once every week now for my epilepsy and other healing benefits that weed provides.
But this is my opinion and it helps me personally..to defend myself from headinvaders, citizens with a policecap on their head all the time.
I shout and raise my voice because everyone is so toxic, judgemental, misinformed and invasive.
And I don't care if they put me in the fascist corner mental health category...😂
do you have any books or cd's on this subject?
Is grief helped with EMDR
You did not mention hypervigilance and flashback so typical in CPTSD. Also, you did not mention EMDR low efficacy as per van der Kolk or Pete Walker
Can you comment on Carl Jung's work on shizophrenia and his famous RED Book? His link of archetypes, bible, cultures and schizophrenia?
thank you so much
In the female system , the defense system is based on FEED , CARE MORE , and THINK REALLY SERIOUSLY .
I just met some inside today. :'O( This is new for me. :( :o
How does false memory happen?
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Is it a disorder or is it a coping strategy?
good question, I think its a mixture of both.
I'm DID, only a year diagnosed but aware of it sort of since 71.
I'd call it a coping strategy, it can be a disorder if the coping strategy is out of control and creating issues.
If the Parts are communicating and living in harmony then the DID isn't an issue
Just how I see it
Was this intentionally done
Short term memory. Not Amnesia. Not in this example.
Wait I think my anger is actually pink
I mean it's like a light red/purple its not barbie pink but still
care GIVER .
Anger is confusion with energy , depression is confusion without energy . How to shift back to neutral ? Match the energy , or , match the confusion . No energy ? Do math paroblems , like soduku , Too much energy ? Go release big energy in a place where you are totally familiar with , wash the car , wash the floor , walk or run in a place you ALREADY KNOW WELL - Angry ? Confusion with energy -- do something confusing , like eat ketchuo on vanilla ice cream ,
I don't think it's that simple or reducible to such a concept.
I just ordered satanic ritual abuse Principal and treatment by Dr. Collins Ross
I wonder if Trump's Q°©øn "Cult" isn't 1 and the same?
Otherwise, I'm a Victim of Family Scapegoat Abuse.
The lack of warmth and compassion expressed in this presentation is striking. Not sure how that happens, but the disconnect between the words and the affect is disturbing.
It could be because he isn't speaking to an audience IRL. He gave a lecture at GRCC and he's way more animated and makes lots of little jokes. A lot of speakers do struggle to speak more animatedly when doing webinars because they have no audience energy to feed off of.
He is a very compassionate and brilliant man…maybe watch his other talks 🦋
Colin Ross often talks from the perspective of a sceintist and one who actually gets met with his fair share of ridicule and mockery attacking his ideas. I think he adopts a slightly non-chalant attitude when speaking of his work and is witty because is wants the focus to be on the data and the meta of the science not so much on the victims on a personal basis
You are speaking way the hell over the heads of most of your viewers… Sorry, but you have to speak more in Laymans terms